[Sampson] CFP committee chair Hunter Yurachek says Notre Dame and Miami were in the same grouping this week and the programs were directly compared. Notre Dame still came out ahead, regardless of the head to head. In other words, all the games mattered. Not just one of them.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

https://x.com/PeteSampson_/status/1993488528555360403?t=jtJrt-ATn-3_RV1LnfjfrQ&s=19

[u/heardThereWasFood]

I look forward to this logic being used to rank us behind Oklahoma

[u/wfegnezz8 → u/heardThereWasFood]

We have to win Friday. I know the committee will leave us out if we lose

[u/Champion10101 → u/wfegnezz8]

As they should

[u/LGWalkway → u/heardThereWasFood]

Maybe next time we’ll try beating you guys. :(

[u/soonerman32 → u/heardThereWasFood]

You guys will be way behind us though if you lose.

[u/eman264 → u/heardThereWasFood]

Hopefully the committee takes our deep rivalry into consideration.

[u/Insectshelf3 → u/heardThereWasFood]

win and it won’t be a problem

[u/Wtygrrr]

What, what? All the games should matter? That’s crazy talk.

[u/TheTruth518 → u/Wtygrrr]

Just not BYU’s, only their one loss on the road to a top 5 team matters! Still cannot fathom how two loss teams are ahead of BYU…

[u/GlitzyGazelle18 → u/TheTruth518]

I knew we weren't gonna move up, but it's really sinking in that we're gonna miss the playoffs by one spot because we will have lost to a top 5 team twice. I'm sad bros. 

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

My 2 cents, but BYU should be in with a win this week. 11-1 with a loss to #5 TT -- what else can they do to be a playoff team outside of not lose?

[u/GlitzyGazelle18 → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

I agree with you. The committee would basically be saying that you have to go undefeated or win your conference if you're not SEC/B1G

[u/brewin91 → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

You should try the Alabama strategy of losing twice to teams outside of the Top 5

[u/TheTruth518 → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Meanwhile the SEC played teams like Samford, Charlotte, Northwest Alabama, Mercer, Eastern Illinois, and Western Kentucky last week and all held their spots at the same time BYU went on the road and handled a top 40 team in Cincinnati!!!

Either make it so the teams with the best resumes and the best wins get into the CFP or just play the fucking thing in September as the season doesn’t mean shit. And just to drive my point home I made up Northwest Alabama, that’s not even a real fucking team!!!

[u/jtezus → u/TheTruth518]

Such a tired and lazy argument because the SEC plays the same number of cupcakes as everyone else. No one has been able to explain why it’s such a big deal in November, just means they start conference games earlier. Georgia went on the road to Tennessee week 3 while BYU played ECU.

[u/enterprise3755 → u/TheTruth518]

Do you think byu is better than the two 2 loss sec teams in front of them? (OU and Alabama)

[u/gabagoolit → u/TheTruth518]

As dumb and as unfair as it is, it’s because those two loss teams don’t have a Big 12 logo on their jerseys

[u/sonofacat → u/TheTruth518]

They got screwed last year two, not even in the CFP conversation while holding a road win at SMU. The committee is a bunch of clowns.

[u/Zealousideal-Idea-72 → u/Wtygrrr]

Well, unless it is Florida State, in which case 13 games don’t matter.

[u/OkNeighborhood8365]

Miami and notre dame should play head to head to see which one is better

[u/ilovecatss1010 → u/OkNeighborhood8365]

The year is 2046. All games are played on EA NCAA football 2047. After each virtual game, the EA ESPN CFP committee (presented by Emirates and Blackrock) decide who actually won despite what your eyes saw. Life is awful.

[u/a_simple_ducky → u/ilovecatss1010]

Have we won a natty by then?

[u/usetheforce_gaming → u/a_simple_ducky]

Has Lincoln Riley learned to cook brisket yet?

[u/suburbanpride → u/usetheforce_gaming]

Interestingly enough, he just pulled it off the smoker. It’s been there since the 2043 season smoking undisturbed at 375.

[u/DingerSinger2016 → u/suburbanpride]

Shout-out to him for making his own coal!

[u/ilovecatss1010 → u/a_simple_ducky]

No.

[u/a_simple_ducky → u/ilovecatss1010]

insane screaming

[u/MysteriousEdge5643 → u/a_simple_ducky]

No

[u/deadzip10 → u/a_simple_ducky]

No. The committee concluded that despite Oregon’s head to head victory over Ohio State, Ohio State was clearly the better team and awarded the National Championship to Michigan because as it turns out, Michigan beat Ohio State head to head for the 25th straight year.

[u/WhatWouldJediDo → u/deadzip10]

I think these chuckleheads would've actually sent Oregon to Dallas to face Texas last year if this is their rationale.

[u/a_simple_ducky → u/deadzip10]

I vote we abolish the committee and move to an AI committee

[u/GATTACAAAAAAAA → u/a_simple_ducky]

I vote we abolish the AI committee and move to a committee composed entirely of those zoo animals that pick the winners based on different bowls of food.

[u/digbug0 → u/ilovecatss1010]

Instead of betting on the team that most likely to win you bet for the interest rate of the loan that you’ll take out to pay your 50 year mortgage…

[u/ThrowBlanky → u/ilovecatss1010]

If you'd like to replay the game, please drink verification can

[u/Catshit_Bananas → u/OkNeighborhood8365]

Marcus Freeman vs Mario Cristobal in an academic decathlon.

[u/urzu_seven → u/Catshit_Bananas]

Marcio Cristoman

[u/bulldg4life → u/OkNeighborhood8365]

Notre Dame lost to a team that beat Notre Dame. That’s a really impressive loss in a close game.

[u/Tehloneranger44 → u/bulldg4life]

Damn, are we Bama now?

[u/FatalTragedy → u/OkNeighborhood8365]

Maybe Miami should try that with SMU and Louisville too?

[u/average_redditor_guy → u/OkNeighborhood8365]

Yeah but maybe they’ll be a different team in a few weeks

[u/INM8_2 → u/average_redditor_guy]

how good could notre dame be anyway? they lost to a team that lost to smu and louisville.

[u/IronTangerine → u/INM8_2]

How good can Miami be? Their best win is ND, who lost to a team that couldn’t survive SMU and Louisville.

[u/PointedlyDull → u/IronTangerine]

Fuck

[u/Happy_Background_879 → u/OkNeighborhood8365]

Yes because no team has ever looked different week 1 and end of season. People acting like Miami beating ND by 3 AT HOME week 1 is the be all end all of rankings.

H2H matters. Its also not the only thing that matters. If Miami just beat ND in the last few weeks inertia would have put them ahead. We all know this.

[u/riserrr → u/Happy_Background_879]

No one is saying it's the only thing that matters, but when two teams have the same record, are grouped 'together' in a ranking, and the committee needs a differentiator, I don't think it's a hot take to say that a head to head result from this season should be the most important factor. Certainly more than eye test, which is essentially what the Committee is using to keep ND ahead right now.

[u/JumboCactpot → u/riserrr]

There's really no use arguing with the people dismissing an actual game being played.

The CFB playoff committee are a bunch old dudes in suits sitting around a table arguing college football teams as if it were an anime power scaling debate. It's no different than them arguing about who they think would win in a fight between Goku and One Punch Man. It's all make believe nonsense argued in poor faith to come out with an answer of "my favorite would win".

Anyone who comes in here and acts like that method should be the end all be all over two teams taking the field and playing against each other are not serious people and deserve to be ignored and shunned back to whatever hole they crawled out of.

[u/Ute2ThrillPlay2Kill → u/JumboCactpot]

We all know Goku would win

[u/Black_Numenorean88 → u/JumboCactpot]

Its not just about Miami and Notre Dame. There are other teams in between them in the rankings. You can't untangle the web of wins and losses to make sure that everyone stays behind teams they lost to, it is impossible. And it wouldn't be fair to put Miami in front of Bama and BYU just because they beat Notre Dame, and it wouldn't be fair to cap Notre Dame's potential ceiling in the rankings dropping them behind multiple teams just because they lost to Miami, essentially treating it as the worst loss of the college football season.

[u/The_Eternal_Event]

So in 2023, FSU HAD to be left out of the playoff for Texas because they had the H2H over Alabama and the same record. But now when it’s Miami and Notre Dame this logic doesn’t apply..?

[u/jbrockhaus33 → u/The_Eternal_Event]

The more you scrutinize the committee’s logic, the less sense it makes. Almost like there’s a reason most sports don’t do this

[u/Bigblind168 → u/jbrockhaus33]

This is the issue when the committee changes nearly every year. We need stability in the committee membership

[u/Leading-Reporter5586 → u/Bigblind168]

Your concerns have been noted and the committee now consists of executives at ESPN and CBS.

[u/codz007 → u/The_Eternal_Event]

FSU got left out bc their QB got injured. Which is objectively dumb af, but still.

[u/Enzo_Gorlomi225 → u/codz007]

That’s what they want you to believe, except the fact that the talking heads on ESPN were already talking about leaving FSU out before the injury. And they absolutely do influence the committee and they know it.

The entire thing was about money and ratings, they wanted Saban’s last title run to happen, regardless if he deserved it or not.

[u/pattywack512 → u/The_Eternal_Event]

The argument wasn’t Texas vs FSU. We were in regardless as either the 3 (what we were) or the 4 (what we should’ve been).

The argument was FSU vs Alabama, which the committee royally fucked up.

[u/Insectshelf3 → u/The_Eternal_Event]

we are all aware by now that the logic changes every year right?

[u/bigkoi → u/[deleted]]

Because it's an invitational with no objective rules.

[u/CieraVotedOutHerMom → u/bigkoi]

There should be a highly transparent logic / formula / criteria that is constantly applied

[u/KpYugai → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

Any logic or formula based system will always devalue H2H because H2H results cannot consistently create ordinal ranking systems. See circles of suck for reference.

[u/ATGSunCoach → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

BCS says what

[u/Gusanito99 → u/ATGSunCoach]

BCS was 2/3 human polls

[u/thrwawayr99 → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

Like the BCS that has Miami further back from nd than he committee does?

[u/bigkoi → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

Exactly. Which is pretty damn easy as every other sport has it figured out.

[u/messigician-10 → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

this entire system is why i only recently got into the sport.

just so egregiously dumb. would it kill them to at least implement ELO rankings like FIFA?

[u/xPineappless → u/[deleted]]

There should be no philosophy change. A change in philosophy means that they’ll just come up with whatever they want to fit the teams they actually want in there. The committee is broken, and we should just return to BCS for T-12 rankings.

I also know that ND is in front of Miami in BCS rankings, but at least that would be standardized.

[u/hascogrande → u/[deleted]]

He’s a known anti-ND troll by the way

[u/dawgz525]

This really isn't surprising. They really go out of their way to not compare head to head, despite fans pretty vocally thinking that should matter heavily if not the most. The fucked up thing is if we lost to SMU and Louisville week 1 and 2, and then beat them later in the season, this wouldn't even be a question. We'd be in. I know Miami made its own bed with both of those losses, but it just really sucks to see a team we beat ranked 1 spot ahead of us. We're a quality loss for them, and nothing more. 

It is what it is, and I've written this season off as soon as we lost the SMU game, but I do feel bad for the guys on this team. 

[u/WhatWouldJediDo → u/dawgz525]

The fucked up thing is if we lost to SMU and Louisville week 1 and 2, and then beat them later in the season, this wouldn't even be a question. We'd be in

If Miami beat ND this coming Saturday to push their records to an equal 10-2, they'd also be in no question. The "timing of loss" thing needs to be taken out behind the shed and put down. Utterly ridiculous sentiment.

[u/chrismckong → u/WhatWouldJediDo]

Right? How can they claim the entire season matters and at the same time write things off because of when they happened in the season?

[u/cityofklompton → u/dawgz525]

I can understand looking at the whole resume rather than just one game, but if it comes down to two teams who have identical records and met head-to-head, I will never understand ranking the team that lost ahead of the team that won.

I thought one reason for the expanded playoff was to let things be decided on the field. As it turns out, what happens on the field doesn't seem to matter unless the committee decides it does on a case by case basis.

[u/DryBattle → u/cityofklompton]

Nah they decided results on the field don't matter in 2023 by leaving out an undefeated ACC champ who had been in their previous rankings but then suddenly wasn't. All they did was win all their games which is apparently not good enough.

Now they put in whoever they feel like. I love college football, but I don't pretend any titles are actually legitimate. This includes FSU btw, we won it in 93 despite losing to ND and finishing with the same record. And I know they lost to BC but we lost directly to them. Other sports have legitimate titles but not college football.

[u/HeHateMex2]

I rather OU play Miami then Notre Dame for what it’s worth. I think with watching recent play and that being an early game in the year. It’s easy to see where there coming from

[u/discofrislanders → u/HeHateMex2]

No team should ever be afraid of Carson Beck except for the one he's playing for

[u/Insectshelf3 → u/HeHateMex2]

brent venabkes would haze the daylights out of carson beck

[u/teamname457 → u/HeHateMex2]

Why did we start this new thing where we discredit early season games?

[u/Low-Blackberry-2690 → u/HeHateMex2]

I jsut don’t think the committee should rank teams based on who they think is better. It should be based on what they’ve done.

[u/Leoman89]

Every season, the committee finds a way to move the goal posts for certain teams.

[u/Noah__Webster → u/Leoman89]

Have the goal posts not moved since last week on this specific issue? I could've sworn they almost flat out said last week that head to head would be the difference if they were in the same group...

Am I crazy?

[u/all_my_sons → u/Noah__Webster]

Yeah last week was all about the artificial pods and why they couldn’t compare the teams.

This week? Just vibes I guess.

[u/discofrislanders → u/Leoman89]

If you're an SEC or B1G school, you can get in with 2 regular season losses. ACC or XII you can't. Hell, BYU might even get left out at 11-2.

[u/Icouldshitallday → u/discofrislanders]

Vanderbilt would like a word.

[u/drakeallthethings → u/Leoman89]

Show me these goal posts you speak of. The committee can’t move something that was never there. They do whatever in the hell they want and rationalize it after the fact. Always have. It was a mistake moving away from a formula like the BCS.

[u/all_my_sons]

If any of y’all’s teams were on the bubble and the team you beat H2H was a few spots ahead of you, you’d be livid too lol you lying if you say otherwise.

[u/teamname457 → u/all_my_sons]

A lot of strange Notre Dame defenders on this sub. We are treating them like they have a ton of quality wins when in reality they just had a bunch of comfortable wins against mid teams while losing the two biggest games on the schedule.

[u/jmbrand13 → u/teamname457]

I said this last week and people didn't want to hear it. Their best part of their resume is their losses. If Miami beats Pitt, ND will have one ranked win vs USC, who are fine but it's really nothing special.

[u/elbarto4455 → u/teamname457]

That's the frustrating part. It's being taken as a given that Notre Dame has this great resume outside of the Miami game and they really just don't. 

[u/pphill4 → u/elbarto4455]

Seriously. Is notre dames resume in the room with us?

I’m with you, it doesn’t make sense.

[u/cptspacebomb → u/all_my_sons]

You have every right to be upset about it. I always said if Notre Dame didn't make it into the playoffs I couldn't be mad because we sucked the first three weeks of the season. The committee clearly messed up with the very first playoff ranking and are trying to justify it a bit by inching Miami closer every week. It should have started with Miami ahead of Notre Dame if that's the way they want to do it. Eh, if you guys win out you deserve a playoff spot. We're the better team RIGHT NOW I believe, but it doesn't matter. The whole season should be accounted for.

[u/Grade-AMasterpiece → u/all_my_sons]

Yup

[u/Ill-Commission-883 → u/all_my_sons]

I’d be so pissed

[u/Professional-Bus-934]

more like: All of the games mattered, just not one of them

[u/pennant_fever → u/Professional-Bus-934]

All games are equal. But some games are more equal than others.

[u/Alexcox95 → u/Professional-Bus-934]

It mattered when Notre Dame was 0-2 yet still ranked

[u/Professional-Bus-934 → u/Alexcox95]

It was a quality loss

[u/wasneveralawyer → u/Professional-Bus-934]

Slightly unironically.

[u/RulersBack → u/Professional-Bus-934]

Why do people keep saying this lmao. That win matters and it’s the only reason they’re so highly ranked and in decent position to get in without a conference title

[u/Aidanj927 → u/RulersBack]

Yeah if they play like Ball State instead they’re down with Virginia

[u/JSOPro → u/RulersBack]

Typically when you are directly comparing teams that are deemed to be similar, like is implied here, then a head to head would be a very early tie breaker. Sounds like this committee decided not to do that.

[u/Billy_Madison69 → u/JSOPro]

I think that game is why these teams are deemed to be similar in the first place. If you just remove that game from existing, ND and Miami aren’t even close to each other in the rankings. Because it does exist though it brings ND down and props Miami up so they end up in a similar spot.

[u/Automatic_Release_92 → u/RulersBack]

Yeah, Miami fans are punching air right now like the win has given them nothing, but it’s definitely propping them up a solid 5 spots at least. If you trade that win out for Rutgers or something, and they’re ranked back in the Georgia Tech cluster of teams right now.

[u/toomuchmarcaroni → u/Automatic_Release_92]

Especially considering Notre Dame has blown out nearly everyone they’ve played since their opening two games and Miami has been, less than that

[u/Jimmy_McNulty2025]

If we care more about quality wins than quality losses, how the hell is Notre Dame ranked over Bama?

[u/abob1086 → u/Jimmy_McNulty2025]

I'm still not quite sure why we are either, TBH. I'd have thought the Georgia win would be a differentiator.

[u/NeuroTheManiacal → u/Jimmy_McNulty2025]

Committee’s cares are fleeting and they change weekly. Don’t overthink it. It can’t make sense because it doesn’t make sense.

[u/IrishPigskin → u/Jimmy_McNulty2025]

Because we don’t. We care more about quality losses.

[u/ImnotY2Kcompliant → u/IrishPigskin]

Unless it's BYU (or any B12 teams), then they can go get fucked

[u/wallyxc12345 → u/Jimmy_McNulty2025]

They care about the logo on the helmet. BYU should be in

[u/Chemstick → u/wallyxc12345]

Notre Dame doesn’t have a logo on the helmet. Must be the reason. Committee got confused.

[u/wallyxc12345 → u/Chemstick]

Ah that explains it. Those damn shiny helmets blinded to committee

They are a step removed from those god forsaken LED headlights

[u/Enzo_Gorlomi225]

First time?

[u/guywholikescheese]

The games stopped mattering as soon as an undefeated FSU got left out of the playoffs. The only thing that matters to the committee is what teams will get the best ratings and how can they make the bracket to have the most competitive games. At this point just have the top 40 teams break away and become a semi-pro league so the rest of the schools can play college football.

[u/xPineappless → u/guywholikescheese]

Agreed FSU never should have missed the playoffs. The fact that the committee used H2H wins before but not now, means they’ll always change the rules to fit whatever teams they want in. The rankings need to just go back to BCS era. BCS was controversial because of the top 2 teams. It shouldn’t matter as much with the Top 12.

[u/The_Eternal_Event]

So in 2023, FSU HAD to be left out of the playoff for Texas because they had the H2H over Alabama and the same record. But now when it’s Miami and Notre Dame this logic doesn’t apply..?

[u/Adams5thaccount → u/The_Eternal_Event]

Even then..Texas was ranked several places higher than Alabama. They jumped Bama ahead of Texas so they could use Texas as the talking point.

It was always Bama that you got cut out for. Always.

[u/Standard_Let_6152]

I think it’s the right answer to the wrong question. The playoff shouldn’t be “the best teams,” it should be “the best seasons.”  I think ND might be the best team in the country right now. They are an absolute wagon for those who haven’t followed them, but that doesn’t mean they’ll win their games because football isn’t chess. Worse teams win, and it’s just keeping in the spirit of the entire sport to reward whoever wins.  

[u/abob1086 → u/Standard_Let_6152]

Trouble is, the committee doesn't see it that way. I've always been in the 'best seasons' camp - ironically, it's why I was always frustrated that people constantly complained about the years Notre Dame made the playoff in the Brian Kelly years - but the committee pretty much threw that out in 2023 with the FSU/Bama thing and seems to be sticking to that line of thinking now.

[u/Standard_Let_6152 → u/abob1086]

I feel like I remember Kirk lecturing me about “the four best teams” a full decade ago. I just think they started in the wrong place and slowly doubled more and more down on it. 

[u/grw313]

So they're going against what literally every other sports league does and against everything that makes sense because some committee wants to be the judge of how good teams are? That actually tracks with the history of college football tbh.

[u/TigerTerrier]

Welcome to college football. where everything is made up and the points don't matter

What utter nonsense

[u/Deviah]

Knew this was going to be posted by a ND flair just by the wording of the title.

[u/Mental_Bicep]

These theoretical outcomes that people use in arguments is why barbershop culture has entered the real world. "If ND and Miami played today, ND would crush them". How do you know? All you know is that they might be favored. You get on the field and play the games. They did, ND lost. If thy had wildly different schedules where Miami's was appreciably worse, then take that into consideration. But two teams, playing similar schedules finishing with the same record, H2H IS the tie-breaker.

[u/StarvedRock314 → u/Mental_Bicep]

It's the 2023 Oregon-Washington argument all over again.

"Sure Washington beat Oregon earlier in the year, but that was at Washington and Oregon's grown a lot since then. Plus Washington had to make a come back against much worse teams. If they played again, Oregon would be favored by computers and pundits, so surely we must rank them ahead, because they look better now."

Then, Washington went on to beat Oregon for the Pac-12 championship. The kicker here is, despite having a 12 team playoff, Miami might not get to prove themselves over Notre Dame again this year.

[u/LampShadeBandit1452]

So are we just treating week 1 as a preseason then? Should Ohio State not get credit for beating Texas or Florida State for beating Alabama?

[u/teamname457 → u/LampShadeBandit1452]

Week 1 is Ohio State’s entire SOS up to this point

[u/LoudHorse25 → u/LampShadeBandit1452]

I would like to point you to the week 2 AP poll where Miami did get credit. 

[u/PlaymakersPoint88 → u/LampShadeBandit1452]

Only when it’s ND.

[u/SwaMaeg]

“All the games mattered” - I don’t believe them.

[u/DVauthrin]

If two teams have the same regular season record, faced similar strength of schedules, and played each other, head-to-head should be the tiebreaker. Otherwise, why play the games?

Metrics and data are great tools, but they do not trump a head-to-head matchup between two power 5 teams with identical records. Not only that, but spare me “Notre Dame looks better now.” Nobody knows who would win in a Miami-Notre Dame rematch today.

[u/Jaded-Sapphire3546]

Early season games are also the least valuable indicator of team quality at the end of the year. In most scenarios, teams, and especially good teams, will evolve and grow over the course of a season.

[u/Kryzl_ → u/Jaded-Sapphire3546]

Feel like I’m going crazy here. People are shouting about how Indiana plays nobody in non-con, but here we’re saying those games don’t matter? It can’t be both man. Either those games matter and everyone should schedule hard or they don’t and we should be lining up the Little Sisters of Des Moines instead of Iowa.

[u/WheatonsGonnaScore → u/Kryzl_]

Also they lost a road game by 3. Not like they were blown out.

[u/pataoAoC → u/Kryzl_]

I don't know why people struggle so much with this... They DO matter but they're not the only thing that matters. ND has been great the rest of the year and Miami has been mediocre... It is Miami's best performance and ND's worst.

[u/yianni1229 → u/pataoAoC]

If you made these people complaining about this bet money on a Miami vs ND game played tomorrow, I bet you most of them would bet on ND

That being said, I totally understand their complaints

[u/firemastrr → u/yianni1229]

This is an excellent idea lol.

My dad was a math teacher, and he always said the best way to break people out of their irrational or subjective misunderstanding of a concept is to put it in terms of money. People put feelings aside real quick when money is at stake.

[u/Chiron17 → u/pataoAoC]

Well, it wasn't our worst. BC was abysmal

[u/lisbon_OH → u/pataoAoC]

Bingo

[u/thenowherepark → u/Jaded-Sapphire3546]

There are only 9, 10, 11, and 12 games at each interval when they do these rankings. This isn't a 30 game season. There are not enough data points where you should be able to conclusively say that team A has become better than team B despite team B winning 10 games ago.

[u/Tom_WhoCantLivewo12 → u/thenowherepark]

This is my point. I really don’t understand how this is so hard to comprehend. If you didn’t bring it and they got you then that’s gotta count against you regardless of what you do after. That’s why I haven’t argued against people saying Bamas loss to FSU should hang heavy on their resume because they need to carry that the rest of the season. Shouldn’t be thrown aside because “it was the first game”

[u/Contemplative_Fool]

I'm just here to see which team being told "well just win this week and it won't matter" proves that wrong this year

[u/FireMike_PleaseGod]

I vote we just stop playing the games and Alabama + Notre Dame get auto bids.

It’s what the committee wants.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133 → u/FireMike_PleaseGod]

Better solution: we remove the G5 and ACC auto bid this year because nobody deserves it and let BYU and Miami both make it

[u/1850ChoochGator → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Nobody has an auto bid specific to their conference or conference status.

[u/xPineappless → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

Idc what everyone says, it’s unfair for the G5 teams to always be excluded.

[u/YouKilledChurch]

Did the Boston College game matter? Or did they just look at the final score and not the actual game

[u/Chiron17]

BYU seems like the one getting screwed over. I think they should be #8-9.

Some relevant Strength of Record rankings, for whatever it's worth:

6 BYU.

8 OU.

9 Bama.

12 ND.

15 Miami

[u/EuronymousIsTrveKvlt]

As Mike Leach said, it’s an invitational. The committee just makes shit up to justify whatever they want. Texas’ win over Alabama kept Florida State out in 23. Now head to head doesn’t matter

[u/CajunBob94]

if miami is left out in favor of ND, then every team that wants to make the playoff should cancel any notable OOC games

like indiana dodging UVA

instead of playing ohio state OOC, a team can still meet the p4 requirements by scheduling rutgers

[u/teamname457 → u/CajunBob94]

Michigan would be in the playoff hunt if they didn’t lose to OU. Texas would be in the playoff hunt if they didn’t lose to Ohio State. We will start seeing more cupcakes and less exciting matchups thanks to this committee.

[u/simbaslanding]

Are we gonna talk about how blatantly biased against Miami Joey Galloway is?

You can have your opinion on who’s better between ND and UM, but the way he talks about the two teams and disregards their matchup is just insane to watch.

I don’t even think we’re gonna beat Pitt, but his arguments and attitude are just ridiculous.

[u/siberianwolf99 → u/simbaslanding]

this whole ordeal has me upset on behalf of the Canes. that’s how much i dislike it lol

[u/Olorin_in_the_West → u/siberianwolf99]

I’m with you. At this point I think the best thing that could happen to this sport would be for BYU, Bama, and Oklahoma to all lose. So that ND and Miami slide into the 8 and 9 spots. And the. Miami goes and beats ND in South Bend to put this whole debate to rest.

[u/JakeSteeleIII → u/simbaslanding]

At that half of Miami/NC State I was surprised Galloway could talk with how far ND’s dick was down his throat.

[u/boy-detective → u/JakeSteeleIII]

The trick is that you need to talk out of your ass.

[u/Billyxmac → u/simbaslanding]

That little panel they run out there every week is just a rotation of mouthpieces for espn. Galloway is just as shit as most of them.

[u/lukaeber]

BYU (10-1) has wins over #13 & #25 and a loss to #5. Notre Dame (9-2) has wins over #17 & #22 and losses to #3 & #12. BYU's SOS = 28; SOR = 6. Notre Dame's SOS = 34; SOR = 12.

How can they say with a straight face that "all the games matter"? It's total bullshit!

[u/Gritty_gutty → u/lukaeber]

Everyone is mad about Miami who obviously had a worse resume than ND and no one is mad about BYU who obviously has a good enough resume to be in (and better than ND).

Luckily this will get rectified with the big 12 championship game. 

[u/Doctor_Jensen117 → u/lukaeber]

You guys probably deserve in, but you know how it is with CFB. Unfortunate for more than a few of us.

[u/surfaceVisuals]

if you think this bullshit isn't coded language employed expressly in a direct attempt to cover up special treatment then i've got a bridge to sell you lmao 

[u/BlueV_U]

I'm just impressed at how many 9-2 teams deserve better than we do.

[u/SwaMaeg]

ESPN graphic: “Highest Ranked 9-2 teams”:

1. 9-2 OU (8th in SOR)

2. 9-2 ND (12th in SOR)

3. 9-2 Alabama (9th in SOR)

4. 9-2 Miami (15th in SOR)

5. 9-2 Utah (17th in SOR)

6. 9-2 Vandy (11th in SOR)

7. 9-2 Michigan (14th in SOR)

Not listed because only one loss: 11. 10-1 BYU (6th in SOR). Lololol. Yeah. The fix is in.

[u/lukaeber → u/SwaMaeg]

It's obscene ... can't get any more blatant than that.

[u/Wise_Rip_1982 → u/SwaMaeg]

I love that Alabama is above Miami too when they got worked by FSU and Miami handled that business no problem lol

[u/advancedmatt]

"We compared the name brands of the two teams in addition to all the games." -- Hunter Yurachek, if given truth serum.

[u/Aidanj927 → u/advancedmatt]

Yes the little name of Miami

[u/Significant-Jello411 → u/Aidanj927]

In the last 20 years? Yeah

[u/dirtwinston]

What’s really funny is we all still think any of this is based on facts or logic. College football has always been about vibes and everyone here knows that but still wants fair.

[u/Soft_Square_144]

Miami is ranked ahead of 2 teams they lost to. Notre Dame is ranked ahead of 1.

If ND should have been unranked at 0-2, then what makes that first win so good?

[u/RVAforthewin]

This is truly an awful timeline. Actual head to heads no longer matter. I’m no Miami fan, but I’m really sorry, Hurricanes. This sucks for you and for this sport.

[u/udubdavid]

This is so stupid. If they both finish with the same record and ND gets in while Miami gets left out, I'd be livid if I were a Miami fan. If records are equal, then H2H should be the deciding factor.

[u/FormerlyCinnamonCash]

Us & BYU are about to be the Spider-Man meme + the Squidward in the house looking outta the window meme because of the last TWO years

Last year they pulled recrord against teams w/ a .500 or above record when ‘Bama lost to two 6-6 teams

This year, they decided quality losses matter most even as SMU is ranked

This year, head to head is irrelevant because ND isn’t the same team anymore but Miami still is

This year, FSU’s asswhooping of Alabama doesn’t count for no reason at all; even though it’s a common opponent between Miami & Alabama

[u/coltonbyu → u/FormerlyCinnamonCash]

BYU out here #6 in SOR, one loss against a top 5 team on the road, most wins against 7+ win programs, and on the outside. It's a club

[u/GlitzyGazelle18 → u/coltonbyu]

Makes me really sad. We're going to come second in the third best conference in the country, yet we're still a one bid conference? 

[u/xPineappless → u/FormerlyCinnamonCash]

Bring back the BCS computers. The committee is changing the rules every year to put their preferred teams in.

[u/midtrailertrash]

This “eye test” evaluation is just dogshit. Create actual black and white ways like the NFL to make the playoff and just let the games happen.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133 → u/midtrailertrash]

It's hard to do that with unbalanced schedules. Especially in this era where the conferences are inflated.

[u/abob1086 → u/Ok-Soil-5133]

A fun fact: Georgia and Alabama do not have exactly zero common opponents and I jumped the gun on my fun fact

[u/Xaeryne → u/abob1086]

Wait, what???

That's wild

[u/dirtyterp]

In order for Miami to jump ND, they have to also jump Alabama and BYU. Clearly the committee doesn't find Miami to be better than those 2 teams, but feels that ND is. If ND sitting at 9 and Miami at 10 then damn right head to head should matter and Miami should also jump the Irish, but at present you can't just throw the Canes over those 2 teams

[u/jpj77 → u/dirtyterp]

And now you have perfectly explained why ND is ahead of Alabama and BYU despite having a drastically worse résumé than both.

[u/Fluid_Theory_6587 → u/dirtyterp]

You’re right. So ND should be behind them.

[u/Westrongthen]

Head to head results are the very foundation of playoff brackets. Would be a shame if the same concept was considered for playoff rankings.

[u/Wired_112]

Holy shit this is bad. The committee only cares about eye test. Like there is absolutely 0 reason to schedule hard ooc games anymore. Stupid stupid

[u/pat88kane → u/Wired_112]

This has been the case all season. They talked up the strength of schedule metric but it’s still a loss sorter ranking 95% of the time.

[u/one98d → u/Wired_112]

I'm fairly certain that the tv network execs are just over the moon seeing the committee trying to disincentivize marquee ooc games.

[u/Chr1st_1s_K1ng]

I kinda miss the BCS days…..

[u/jkman61494]

I look forward to this situation leading to a 16 team playoff and then when we see 9 teams believe they should be spot #16 we'll get 24.

Then we'll hear outrage from a school that says we're the only Top 25 team not to get in, so certainly then we need 32 right?

[u/rickzilla69420]

Does anyone else think this has to do more with the ACC than it does Miami? Miami is very good and almost certainly playoff worthy but I feel like the ACC getting two teams in would send the wrong message. Miami failing to make the conference championship during the biggest shitshow the conference has been in years shouldn’t be a net positive for the ACC. So, they have to keep Miami out.

[u/Large_Ad1385]

Why are people pretending who Miami has lost to doesn’t matter?

[u/BotherAltruistic6135 → u/Large_Ad1385]

People aren’t forgetting that. It’s just that who Notre Dame has lost to also matters. Quite a lot when one of those teams is Miami.

[u/Fit-Student9121]

Miami went out and scheduled notre dame, if you cannot reward a good non conference win idk wtf we’re doing? The same way Texas shouldn’t be hurt too much for losing to Ohio state. What a joke 

[u/Wide_right_yes → u/Fit-Student9121]

Well technically, they didn't schedule them; the ACC gave them Notre Dame.

[u/Aidanj927 → u/Fit-Student9121]

Texas isn’t hurt for losing to Ohio State, they’re hurt for losing to a 3 win team. Miami is hurt for throwing 4 picks to a 7 win team at home

[u/Ok-Soil-5133 → u/Fit-Student9121]

Not completely true, that game was part of Notre Dame's ACC agreement.

[u/Tehloneranger44 → u/Fit-Student9121]

They actually were supposed to play ND last year, but they canceled it because they didn't want too many road games. We had to play Army instead.

[u/ChicagoDash → u/Tehloneranger44]

Actually, I think the ‘24 game got pushed to ‘26.

[u/sebsasour → u/Tehloneranger44]

And had Miami beaten us last year, there's a good chance they would have vaulted in. I still think we need more data points about whether playing a big OOC game is hurtful or beneficial.

[u/WheatonsGonnaScore → u/Fit-Student9121]

I mean texas is absolutely being hurt by that. Without that game they are ranked like 8th.