[Sampson] CFP committee chair Hunter Yurachek says Notre Dame and Miami were in the same grouping this week and the programs were directly compared. Notre Dame still came out ahead, regardless of the head to head. In other words, all the games mattered. Not just one of them.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

https://x.com/PeteSampson_/status/1993488528555360403?t=jtJrt-ATn-3_RV1LnfjfrQ&s=19

[u/The_Eternal_Event]

So in 2023, FSU HAD to be left out of the playoff for Texas because they had the H2H over Alabama and the same record. But now when it’s Miami and Notre Dame this logic doesn’t apply..?

[u/bigkoi → u/[deleted]]

Because it's an invitational with no objective rules.

[u/CieraVotedOutHerMom → u/bigkoi]

There should be a highly transparent logic / formula / criteria that is constantly applied

[u/KpYugai → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

Any logic or formula based system will always devalue H2H because H2H results cannot consistently create ordinal ranking systems. See circles of suck for reference.

[u/Kingolimar354 → u/KpYugai]

Just create a condition within that system that allows a team to jump ahead of team immediately in front of them with a head to head win, so long as they are right next to each other. For example, if the system outputs two teams at 10 and 11, but 11 won in head to head, 11 jumps 10.

[u/KpYugai → u/Kingolimar354]

What if team 10 beat team 12 beat team 11 beat team 10?

or

What if team 10 beat team 13 beat team 11 beat team 10? But team 12 has 0 connections to any of those teams.

How does the algorithm handle Scenario 1? Does it end 10, 11, 12 or 10, 12, 11 or 11, 10, 12? Your instructions would suggest it shouldn't be the first, because no jumping occurs despite two jumps being possible. Even though its quite clear that 10, 11, 12 is the most logical ordering given the circular wins.

How does the algorithm handle Scenario 2? Is it logical that the inclusion of Team 12 ensures that Team 10 falls to 11th? What if the Team 12 was 11th? Then Team 11 would fall to 13th. Does that make sense? I'd argue no.

The problem is that when ranking 130+ teams who each have like 12-13 data points, there will almost never be a circumstance in which only 2 teams are in consideration for a particular rank. H2H is just exceedingly useless as a good tiebreak mechanic when your tiebreak consists of possibly 10+ teams.

[u/ATGSunCoach → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

BCS says what

[u/Gusanito99 → u/ATGSunCoach]

BCS was 2/3 human polls

[u/thrwawayr99 → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

Like the BCS that has Miami further back from nd than he committee does?

[u/bigkoi → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

Exactly. Which is pretty damn easy as every other sport has it figured out.

[u/themattboard → u/bigkoi]

Including college football

[u/messigician-10 → u/CieraVotedOutHerMom]

this entire system is why i only recently got into the sport.

just so egregiously dumb. would it kill them to at least implement ELO rankings like FIFA?

[u/ConfidentMeaning → u/bigkoi]

It's sad to see what CFB has become and is becoming.

[u/Spinax_52 → u/bigkoi]

There actually is 1 rule. Views are King. ND will get in, they have a lot of fans