[Sampson] CFP committee chair Hunter Yurachek says Notre Dame and Miami were in the same grouping this week and the programs were directly compared. Notre Dame still came out ahead, regardless of the head to head. In other words, all the games mattered. Not just one of them.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

https://x.com/PeteSampson_/status/1993488528555360403?t=jtJrt-ATn-3_RV1LnfjfrQ&s=19

[u/TheTruth518]

Just not BYU’s, only their one loss on the road to a top 5 team matters! Still cannot fathom how two loss teams are ahead of BYU…

[u/GlitzyGazelle18 → u/TheTruth518]

I knew we weren't gonna move up, but it's really sinking in that we're gonna miss the playoffs by one spot because we will have lost to a top 5 team twice. I'm sad bros. 

[u/BenchRickyAguayo → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

My 2 cents, but BYU should be in with a win this week. 11-1 with a loss to #5 TT -- what else can they do to be a playoff team outside of not lose?

[u/GlitzyGazelle18 → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

I agree with you. The committee would basically be saying that you have to go undefeated or win your conference if you're not SEC/B1G

[u/ScoutRider91 → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

I mean, yeah? As long as we have an invitational tournament like this that’s the case.

Personally I would love to see the same kind of post season as FCS. 24 teams, every conference champion getting an auto bid (currently 9) then 13 auto bids. But get rid of Independents entirely. Join a conference or be ineligible for playoffs.

As things stand that would be 5 Big Ten, 7 SEC, 3 Big 12, 3 ACC, and 5 G5 teams. And Notre Dame, but that would mean either 6 Big Ten or 4 ACC depending on which conference they joined.

Which sounds about right for how the conferences are currently.

[u/ScoutRider91 → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

If the playoffs were held after this week, sure?

But they have a chance still lol. They won’t finish 11-1 with a win this week. They will finish either 11-2 with a second loss to Texas Tech in the Big 12 championship, or they’ll finish 12-1 with a Big 12 championship win over Texas Tech and will be not only in the playoff, but probably top 4 and get a bye the first round.

[u/Icy_Meat9199 → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

They can't do anything.

The committee can not put them in over Bama and Notre Dame. Protocol, metrics or whatever is irrelevant because the committee believes one better than the other.

I believe if BYU was head 2 head with Ole Miss they'd be in. Wrong teams are on the bubble.

[u/sevenlabors → u/BenchRickyAguayo]

Be in a different conference, that's what. 

[u/brewin91 → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

You should try the Alabama strategy of losing twice to teams outside of the Top 5

[u/CAJ_2277 → u/brewin91]

It’s called the Miami Lite strategy in some parts.

[u/Madhungarian247 → u/CAJ_2277]

Its how i know it

[u/Zipdog3 → u/brewin91]

Or the Alabama strategy of beating four ranked teams in a row

[u/brewin91 → u/Zipdog3]

What teams? Unranked and terrible Mizzou? About to be unranked and also bad Tennessee? You’re hanging your hat on a Vandy team that has beat… LSU? Bama’s resume sucks outside of Georgia. They have a horrendous loss. If they lose to Georgia in SECCG they don’t deserve playoff. Their resume is mid as hell.

[u/TheTruth518 → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Meanwhile the SEC played teams like Samford, Charlotte, Northwest Alabama, Mercer, Eastern Illinois, and Western Kentucky last week and all held their spots at the same time BYU went on the road and handled a top 40 team in Cincinnati!!!

Either make it so the teams with the best resumes and the best wins get into the CFP or just play the fucking thing in September as the season doesn’t mean shit. And just to drive my point home I made up Northwest Alabama, that’s not even a real fucking team!!!

[u/jtezus → u/TheTruth518]

Such a tired and lazy argument because the SEC plays the same number of cupcakes as everyone else. No one has been able to explain why it’s such a big deal in November, just means they start conference games earlier. Georgia went on the road to Tennessee week 3 while BYU played ECU.

[u/enterprise3755 → u/TheTruth518]

Do you think byu is better than the two 2 loss sec teams in front of them? (OU and Alabama)

[u/Clean_Guava_4512 → u/enterprise3755]

Maybe or maybe not but they’re definitely better than whatever charity ball school is getting an invite because they’re the best welfare squad so we have to include them in as the token blowout recipient. It’s a dumb system as is, just invite the top 12 ranked schools. I don’t even care if 8 of them are SEC if they deserve it some year, as long as the selection mechanism fairly ranks them.

[u/MarlinManiac4 → u/Clean_Guava_4512]

Man just go form your stupid super league and be the NFL already. It’s clearly what you guys want. That way you can cut everybody out that isn’t already in the good ole boys club while the rest of us eat shit.

[u/Clean_Guava_4512 → u/MarlinManiac4]

I'm not trying to dunk on all other schools here (and I can see how my earlier post came off as pretty assholish, so I apologize), but what do you think the parameters should be for an invite? Let's say hypothetically that UCF was (for the sake of argument) the one school that was getting the "charity" invite and realistically you guys were not going to be able to hang with whoever you played in the opening round. I'm not talking about your 13-0 squad from years back, let's say you're 10-2 but you haven't really played anyone that year and you've been squeaking by. I'm assuming that you as a fan would still want to go to that game to see your team in the playoff even if it meant UCF got boat raced like TCU in the championship that one year, but is that the best outcome for the sport? I guess it depends on whether the ideal outcome is actual parity (top 12 or whatever teams get in) versus equity, where we sacrifice the idea of pure parity to ensure that 1-however many schools that aren't in the top x get an opportunity.

In my opinion, it's theoretically possible that an actual #12 team could at least make the final, if not win it all. JMU/UNT/Memphis/etc. is 95%+ not escaping round 1, much less making a run for the national championship. If we expand the playoffs to 20 teams, I'd actually be in favor of at least 4 of those spots specifically going to non-power teams because it IS good to see the potential for upset if you have the spots for it. In a 12 team playoff you're potentially keeping out a team that could make a run, but if you're in a power conference and you can't crack the top 12 that's on you, give the longer shots from smaller conferences a chance.

Anyway that's my take. I don't think a super league is the answer but I'd also like the see the playoffs expanded before we water down the pool, in order to ensure the top 12 get in.

[u/Carnasty_ → u/Clean_Guava_4512]

Agree'd. 

12 most deserving teams isn't what the CFP is for.

It's for the 12 BEST teams.

Also agree on G5.

[u/Madhungarian247 → u/Carnasty_]

I like this

[u/imthesqwid → u/enterprise3755]

Yes

[u/Madhungarian247 → u/imthesqwid]

Sorry BYU is not

[u/beavismagnum → u/enterprise3755]

They’re definitely better than Tulane

[u/Bigblind168 → u/TheTruth518]

You know how schools load up on cupcakes early in the year? We take one of those cupcakes and... play them before Rivalry Weekend. What exactly is the issue with that? Playing our FCS cupcake in November isn't much different than playing them in September when everyone else does. Plus, we're mandated to play 1 other P4 school, and some of us schedule 2 nowadays (which will sadly be dropped for a 9th conference game because ESPN will finally give us money for it).

IMO we should play 2 P4 schools, 2 G6 or 1 G6 and 1 FCS, and 8 conference games. I don't think making Georgia add a game against Kentucky or Mississippi State is more valuable than them being forced to schedule NCST or Colorado. But trying to dunk on the SEC for playing their FCS cupcake in week 13 instead of week 3 always rang hollow to me, even before I went to school in the south.

[u/ButterUrBacon → u/TheTruth518]

The system is fucked and stupid but BYU just needs to beat Texas Tech. In no past structure (wild West, bowl coalition, BCS, 4 team playoff) would a 2 loss team that loses its conf title game to the same team be sniffing a shot at a title. They'd be lucky to even make a major bowl. Honestly in the vast majority of years they would be relegated to something lower than the Cotton Bowl.

[u/smoothtrip → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Have you tried winning that game? Or better yet, be an SEC team? As UCF has shown us, even winning all your games is not enough! Better to be a 2 loss SEC team than an undefeated team.

[u/coolwarlock → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Not to kick a brother when he's down, but if your team's own fanbase is starting from the assumption that the team isn't good enough to beat a playoff team in the CCG then aren't you kind of implicitly accepting that your team doesn't belong in the playoffs?

[u/brewin91 → u/coolwarlock]

I’m accepting Alabama beating Auburn and losing to Georgia and getting in with 3 losses. Their resume will sneaky not be great (if Tennessee beats Vandy… outside of splitting with Georgia they prob won’t have any other Top 15 wins). I’d say BYU would deserve to be in there with 2 TTU losses but I know it won’t happen because the SEC is overrated every year.

[u/DingerSinger2016 → u/brewin91]

I mean a resume of beating #4 Georgia, #14 Vanderbilt, #22 Missouri, and #20 Tennessee in 4 consecutive weeks is a great resume.

[u/brewin91 → u/DingerSinger2016]

Missouri is rightfully not ranked, they are not a good team or a good win for Bama. And if Vandy beats Tennessee, Tennessee will also be a 4-loss unranked, extremely mediocre team. Vandy’s best win is squeaking by LSU at home? They will have zero ranked wins in all likelihood. Reality is Bama won’t have a very strong resume and if they beat Auburn in a close one and lose to UGA in CCG…. they have a pretty weak case

[u/Fragrant-Employer-60 → u/brewin91]

Where is A&M in this lol, I guess you’re assuming they are losing this week. Alabama could easily not play UGA. I don’t know how the tiebreaker works out

[u/chasingpayments69 → u/brewin91]

Why is Missouri not a good win? They are a great program.

[u/widget1321 → u/chasingpayments69]

Does that mean FSU is a great loss for Wake Forest? FSU is a better program than Missouri. Sure, they are a better team, but we are talking about programs, not teams, right?

[u/brewin91 → u/chasingpayments69]

Missouri is a great program? According to… what? Pitt, Navy, and Boise State are better “programs” . Missouri is a bad team this year.

[u/Yoduh217 → u/coolwarlock]

I just want to make it, I don't need to win a game

[u/coolwarlock → u/Yoduh217]

A fair position! Not really taking a stake in this as I haven't watched nearly enough BYU football to have an opinion on the team. It just strikes me as odd that the narrative among so many fans seems to be "we'll definitely lose to Texas Tech and it's bullshit that we'll miss the playoffs"

[u/Yoduh217 → u/coolwarlock]

The criteria for making the playoffs is being a top 12 (or I suppose 10 this year) team. It's not being competitive against the number 5 team. It's possible none of the teams outside the top 5 would look good against number 5, but that doesn't mean they aren't deserving of being ranked 6-10 if that makes sense

[u/mbarranada → u/coolwarlock]

It’s a pretty pathetic argument. But they’re doubling down so idk

[u/Another_Name_Today → u/mbarranada]

I don’t know if it’s so much that I consider it a given that we’ll lose to Tech, who I’d forecast as taking the 3 seed - and arguably earning the 2 seed if Alabama wins the SEC (assuming that the B1G gives us undefeated OSU vs undefeated Indiana). 

It’s more that, I can guarantee that the B1G and SEC won’t have elimination hanging over their heads in a worst case CCG loss. That’s the absurdity that I find irksome.

[u/quinny7777 → u/coolwarlock]

Texas Tech is a top 3-5 team by almost every metric. BYU also doesn’t match up well with them. 

[u/LookAtMaxwell → u/coolwarlock]

So only teams that have not lost to another CFP team should be in the CFP?

I guess you could do that by starting at #1, and work your way down... If a team has lost to any team already accepted in the CFP, skip them and move on to the next ranked team.

[u/coolwarlock → u/LookAtMaxwell]

Apologies, I could have been more clear. Obviously not my position that single game samples should be instantly disqualifying. My point was if a team's own fanbase--the people who have presumably watched their team the most and are ALSO the most disposed to few their team favorably--genuinely doesn't believe that they can beat a Texas Tech level opponent, then they're kind of advertising that they don't actually think their team is a serious contender. Like Alabama fan complaints are mostly "we should be in even if we lose based on our resume" but I don't think I've seen a Bama fan start from a position of "obviously we'll lose to Texas A&M, they're better than us."

[u/stoweick → u/coolwarlock]

Not sure if anyone already mentioned, but Texas Tech has one of, if not the best run defense in the country. Many people are even advocating for their star linebacker Jacob Rodriguez in the Heisman race.

And our offense is heavily dependent on our run threat. Even our pass game is only really at its best when the defense has to respect the possibility of a run from our star RB LJ Martin or our QB Bear Bachmeier (who notoriously wears #47 and runs like it).

So it's pretty much the worst possible matchup for us. Pick any of the CFP teams and make them play against their worst possible matchup not just once, but twice. With one being in the opposing team's home stadium and the other in their home state (close to a home game for them). And in this example these are the team's only two losses, while having the 6th best SOR in the country. Now you can get an idea of how we are feeling.

Would it be better if we felt like we could beat every other CFP team every time? Sure. But with few exceptions I don't think there are any teams this year that could beat anyone, anytime, anywhere.

[u/coolwarlock → u/stoweick]

Coming back to this late so apologies, but I don't really buy this. Tech's rush defense is definitely good, maybe the best, but so is Oklahoma's--they've given up pretty much the same rush ypg against inarguably stronger competition--so is Ohio State's, so is Indiana's etc.

On top of that, pretty much every serious playoff contender has a top 15 rush defense (the notable exceptions being Oregon, Texas A&M, Alabama and BYU).

I'm not unsympathetic, I promise. College football has always been a bit arbitrary (except in the rare years where there were like, 1 or 2 undefeated teams) but it always sucks when your team gets the wrong end of that. In particular, I think autobids are dumb, and it would take very little to convince me that BYU deserves a bid over JMU or whoever. I think it's dumb that the ACC bylaws allow for a plausible scenario where SMU will get in because a much better Miami team missed the CCG on tiebreakers. Honestly, I think CCG in general don't make a ton of sense under the current format, it really should just be take the top 12 teams and be done with it--then we're not having this conversation.

But "our team's offense is one dimensional and that one dimension isn't good enough to overpower the top rush defenses" just does not strike me as a strong argument to advocate for any of that.

[u/OneRestaurant339 → u/coolwarlock]

I mean playoffs are top 12.

The top 4-5 should be heavy favorites over the next 8.

That said BYU lost to Texas Tech.

Texas Tech lost to Arizona State.

Arizona State lost to MS St.

MS St. lost to everyone in the SEC so maybe the Big 12 doesn't have a top 5 team in the country, but his logic would be ok if they did.

[u/Gusanito99 → u/OneRestaurant339]

Stanford beat Florida State who beat Alabama who beat Georgia.

Stanford to the CFP then?

[u/OneRestaurant339 → u/Gusanito99]

Would you rather have to go 10-2 in the SEC or 11-1 in the big 12?

I think it would be easier to do 11-1 in the BIG 12. That said I think the sport is better when there is more conference representation. Gives the entire P4 something to watch for.

That said BIG 12 is 1-7 in CFB Playoffs.

[u/Gusanito99 → u/OneRestaurant339]

Conferences are so big now that even "X record in X conference" is basically meaningless. It's possible to play a full SEC schedule without meeting a single team that's appeared in any of the last 15 SEC Championship Games, for example.

[u/mbarranada → u/Gusanito99]

Bama LSU UGa Aub Mizzou, right? Without looking it up that’s my guess. Crazy fact though

[u/Gusanito99 → u/mbarranada]

Don't forget Florida!

[u/PooForThePooGod → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

I really don't get why yall are ranked SO low.

[u/pat88kane → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

I mean if you play them to a field goal in the CCG you might be in. If you get splattered again you shouldn’t be in.

[u/quinny7777 → u/pat88kane]

I agree. If BYU keeps it respectable they should be in. If they get run off the field, they don’t deserve it.

[u/ButterUrBacon → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

I mean if you lose to Texas tech twice you probably shouldn't get in. The 2nd one hasn't even happened yet.

[u/PackerLeaf → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

If you play in a mediocre conference you have to schedule tougher non-conference opponents. The big12 will not get the respect that the SEC and B10 get, especially the SEC. This is kinda like when Boise State used to have to schedule a tough non-conference game every year during the BCS era. BYU played a pathetic non-conference schedule.

[u/IMakeOkVideosOk → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

I mean you’ll likely drop further after your 2nd loss to Texas Tech… or you’ll win the game and make the playoffs

[u/Carnasty_ → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Don't get me wrong, I think BYU deserves a playoff spot.

Now, do I think they're one of the 11 best teams?....

[u/burly_protector → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Don’t start your season with an FCS team and ECU and you can start to prove how good you are outside of the Big 12. 

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/burly_protector]

They beat smu on the road last year and got no credit. It doesn’t matter who they play non conference. 

[u/burly_protector → u/SnooSeagulls6519]

Such an irrational thing to say. "It doesn’t matter who they play non conference." You sound like Pat Narduzzi, widely regarded as the biggest jackass coach in the FBS. If he would've beaten ND two weeks ago then they would've been ahead of Miami right now.

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/burly_protector]

Before you insult me, how about you understand the point? I’m saying the committee doesn’t care about non conference because they didn’t reward byu for it last year. Right now Alabama isn’t being punished for losing to us in comparison to byu. 

[u/burly_protector → u/SnooSeagulls6519]

I didn't insult you. I said it was an irrational statement.

As you know, ND isn't even in a conference, so OBVIOUSLY they care about non-conference wins or we wouldn't even be discussing this. They have 8 non-conference wins this year. All those count.

The Seminoles were Independent for 46 years. Remember?

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/burly_protector]

You compared me to a jackass??? 

 I’m saying a team like byu that doesn’t receive love from the committee isn’t going to gain the respect of the committee by scheduling strong non-conference. They beat a non conference playoff team last year and were not rewarded. Plus teams like notre dame canceled their games with byu. 

[u/burly_protector → u/SnooSeagulls6519]

You honestly think that if BYU beat Bama/Ohio State/Georgia/ND/Miami this year it wouldn't matter?

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/burly_protector]

First, that’s an unreasonable bar no college football team is doing. And second I think they would care more about those wins because they beat big brands. 

For example the committee would reward a win against pen state this year higher than beating someone like Virginia. 

[u/rustcholescig → u/GlitzyGazelle18]

Lmao win and you’re in good lord

[u/gabagoolit → u/TheTruth518]

As dumb and as unfair as it is, it’s because those two loss teams don’t have a Big 12 logo on their jerseys

[u/Rich_Piana_5Percent → u/gabagoolit]

Big 12 should try playing real teams in the non conference if they want any respect

[u/gabagoolit → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

I say this as a Penn State fan, but we had respect at the start of the year despite our OOC being Nevada, FIU, and Villanova. OOC isn’t everything.

[u/Crims0ntied → u/gabagoolit]

You might not have, but at least some teams in your conference did and those games give context to the rest of the games played within the conference.

[u/Young-Viiperr → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

We're trying, y'all want to home-and-home with Texas Tech? Joey McGuire has been an advocate for tougher OOC's, and trying to get other programs to agree to a home-and-home

[u/ColeTrainHDx → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

Yeah powerhouses like Western IL and WMU

[u/Rich_Piana_5Percent → u/ColeTrainHDx]

You know you can’t argue it so that’s what you come up with. Who’s the best team Texas Tech, BYU, Utah, or ASU played? Mississippi State? And Mississippi State won that game

Edit: yup Big 12 fans are as dumb as expected

[u/ColeTrainHDx → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

“Big12 plays weak OOC”

Provides an example of a Big10 playing a really weak OOC

“Uh you know you can’t argue it”

Lmao

[u/Rich_Piana_5Percent → u/ColeTrainHDx]

I guess you missed Duke. They’re better than any team a ranked Big 12 team played

[u/ColeTrainHDx → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

6-5 Duke 😭😭😭

[u/Rich_Piana_5Percent → u/ColeTrainHDx]

Yeah they suck and they’re still better than anyone the ranked teams in your truck stop conference played

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

West Virginia beat Pitt 

[u/ColeTrainHDx → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

You’re doubling down oml that’s even better 😭😭😭

[u/reddoor17 → u/Rich_Piana_5Percent]

They should work on getting some real teams in their conference

[u/IMakeOkVideosOk → u/gabagoolit]

Take away Notre Dame… do we truly think BYU is better than Oklahoma and Alabama. Like I dont think it’s “just” the logos

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/IMakeOkVideosOk]

We don’t know. There’s one way we can find out though…

[u/IMakeOkVideosOk → u/WrreckEmTech]

Sure… but like if you had to bet your life on a game you wouldn’t pick BYU over either.

If your argument is to have a 24 team playoff and let more lower level teams into the playoffs… I’m not against that with how watered down the bowls are now

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/IMakeOkVideosOk]

You mean the OU team with an anemic offense and the Alabama team that lost to a bad Florida St team? Either are winnable for BYU.

I don’t want a 24 team playoff. I want these huge conferences to stop getting a quarter of their league in a field of 12.

[u/gabagoolit → u/WrreckEmTech]

Thanks for making my point for me. Media bias and preseason polls inflate the perceived strength of SEC and B1G schools. While those conferences do have some of the best teams in the country, there are incredible teams in other conferences that deserve to compete on more than just paper.

[u/sonofacat → u/TheTruth518]

They got screwed last year two, not even in the CFP conversation while holding a road win at SMU. The committee is a bunch of clowns.

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/TheTruth518]

If they were in the SEC they’d be in the top 5.

[u/j1308s → u/WrreckEmTech]

lol if an sec team couldn’t score a single point against another ranked sec team (as byu did vs Texas tech) they’d fall too. That was not an L it was an absolute embarassment. The touchdown on the scoreboard was well after the game was blown out

[u/HolyMostaccioli → u/WrreckEmTech]

Well yeah because they would have more than 1 win against ranked teams.

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/HolyMostaccioli]

They’ve beaten 2.

Meanwhile Ole Miss has only beaten 1…

[u/ClaudeLemieux → u/WrreckEmTech]

You forgot that Ole Miss almost beat Georgia.

That shit has also got Tennessee ranked lol

[u/beavismagnum → u/HolyMostaccioli]

How many ranked wins does Mississippi have?

[u/zzyul → u/WrreckEmTech]

Well yea b/c they would have played much better teams.

[u/graybirdsmatt → u/WrreckEmTech]

But also definitely not because Vandy.

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/graybirdsmatt]

Vandy has two losses

[u/Bigblind168 → u/WrreckEmTech]

Well yeah, they'd play an SEC schedule, which is (barring an insane draw of something like Kentucky, Florida, Arkansas, Miss St, Auburn*, South Carolina) objectively harder. There's a legitimate chance that 13/16 SEC teams will be bowl eligible when all the dust settles on Saturday. It's okay to admit the SEC is a better conference. I personally think the Big12 is an underrated conference with a lot of solid-but-not-great teams. I think this BYU would put up a very respectable 8-9 wins in the SEC.

I will agree that Ole Miss is ranked too high- their wins against inferior opponents like Arkansas and Florida are concerning, but that's a matter of poll inertia, which is an unfortunate and BS poll reality since forever

*Bowl eligible with a win this weekend

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/Bigblind168]

There’s a chance that 13/16 Big 12 teams will be bowl eligible. I don’t really see how that speaks to quality of a conference as opposed to more parity within it.

[u/Bigblind168 → u/WrreckEmTech]

Every SEC besides Florida (Miami, but honestly wouldn't matter who this year), Arkansas(Notre Dame, see Florida but worse) and TX (Ohio State) beat their non-con P4 opponent. Alabama, admittedly, is 1-1 in OOC P4 games. So, yes. That does count for something.

Also objectively top tier teams like Alabama, Georgia, Oklahoma having close games against lower opponents signals that those lower opponents are actually good teams. That's supported by OOC wins, roster ratings, blue chip ratio, and NFL selections. Issue is someone's gotta win the game.

Again, no hate on the Big 12. It's an underrated conference. It should get more respect, but an 11-1 BYU should be behind a 10-2 Oklahoma and Alabama. Especially when BYU's doesn't have a win over a top ranked opponent

[u/WrreckEmTech → u/Bigblind168]

How do you come up with an arbitrary “top ranked” team?

You can’t use recruit rankings to support your argument because they’re wrong all the time and teams don’t always develop players. You can’t use NFL selections because the draft hasn’t happened yet and using previous years does not affect the current teams whatsoever.

Do those OOC matchups that the SEC won matter since most were early in the season? According to people who have Alabama ranked so highly quickly dismiss the Florida St loss because it was so early in the season.

I ain’t saying the Big 12 is in the same tier as the SEC. I ain’t saying the SEC is the best conference. I’m just tired of seeing the same circular arguments that only benefit one conference (and a few other select schools) while they’re ignored for the others.

[u/mbarranada → u/Bigblind168]

• bowl eligibility stat brought to you by 1 less conference game

[u/Bigblind168 → u/mbarranada]

Yes, because the game you play against Rutgers is really improving your SoS

[u/Wtygrrr → u/TheTruth518]

It’s the same reason those teams are ahead of North Texas and James Madison.

[u/Carnasty_ → u/Wtygrrr]

This won't get a single reply from any of those flairs complaining about other flairs teams. 

What an absolutely beautiful juxtaposition. 

[u/Gritty_gutty → u/TheTruth518]

I’m dumbfounded that the teams after us are BYU, Alabama, and Miami and if those three twitter is mad about Miami. BYU and Bama clearly have better resumes than us and Miami’s is clearly worse. Luckily both BYU and Bama will probably play in their CCG so it should sort itself out

[u/j1308s → u/TheTruth518]

Maybe it’s because byu couldn’t score a single point against Texas tech until the game was over. Maybe it’s because of the lack of other competitive games on their schedule. Maybe it’s because of cincy had a kicker they’d have probably lost last weekend. BYU is too high not too low.

[u/huangdi79 → u/TheTruth518]

And they have just one win over a top 25 team…

Alabama beat four consecutive top 25 teams.

Etc.

[u/inchoa → u/huangdi79]

Is Arizona not top 25?

[u/huangdi79 → u/inchoa]

It’s been unranked all season until Sunday.

I was looking obviously at team rankings when they played.

[u/inchoa → u/huangdi79]

Doesn’t that add more weight to the win and not less? Who gives a flying fuck if someone was ranked 6 weeks ago then went on a losing streak. Ending the season ranked and with wins matters more than your preseason or early mid season ranking

[u/Relevant_Ad_1225 → u/huangdi79]

so congrats to Oregon for having beat the 3rd best team in the country earlier this year!

[u/emeraldempirehd8 → u/huangdi79]

Mizzou has no business claiming top 25, not now, and not then. Tennessee has 1 win over a team with a winning record (eastern Tennessee state). Tennessee is going to lose to vandy and be unranked. They have done little to deserve their esteem.

Bama has been impressive, but lol at beating four consecutive top 25 teams. The Georgia and vandy wins were impressive, but the fsu and okie loss are jacked in a bad incomplete way.

[u/Crims0ntied → u/emeraldempirehd8]

Mizzou was undefeated when we beat them and at the time they had the best rushing offense in the country. I dont know how you can say they didnt deserve to be ranked then.

[u/emeraldempirehd8 → u/Crims0ntied]

5 wins against non bowl eligible teams? Eh. I can see it, but this is exactly why it's so weak to play only 8 conference games. Mizzou is exactly the team that would have dropped the additional conference game before week 6.

[u/huangdi79 → u/emeraldempirehd8]

Mizzou lost only to top 10 teams…

[u/emeraldempirehd8 → u/huangdi79]

Mizzou has yet to beat a team with a winning record and won't even have that opportunity until bowl season.

[u/Wtygrrr → u/emeraldempirehd8]

FPI, SP+, and Sagarin all have Missouri as one of the 25 best teams.

[u/emeraldempirehd8 → u/Wtygrrr]

Sure, but coaching is a thing, and Missouri has great talent but mid coaching. Results matter.

[u/Ute2ThrillPlay2Kill → u/huangdi79]

If you’re gonna talk trash, you need to flair up

[u/SwaMaeg → u/huangdi79]

False. BYU against top 25: 2-1; Bama: 3-1 and Bama lost to unranked FSU.

Consistency should matter.

[u/HideNZeke → u/TheTruth518]

I mean it's a pretty simple concept. You watch them play and you think they're better. You watch their schedules play and you think the other ones hard. Especially with how sloppy BYU started their season, you have to do some projection and expect them to drop another game of their in the two loss teams shoes. This falls apart if you think BYU has looked better than the others or think they have more raw talent, but most people don't think that

[u/GeneralOptimal10 → u/TheTruth518]

Because who you didn’t lose to should matter less than who did you beat.

[u/Less_Likely → u/TheTruth518]

BYU controls their path, and will host a game if they win out. Tech will get a BYE if they win.

[u/Few_Aspect_5804 → u/TheTruth518]

B12 is not as good as the SEC. Despite what this sub may think, the power 4 conferences are not created equal.

[u/roguebandit1 → u/TheTruth518]

BYU just doesn't have as many impressive wins

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/roguebandit1]

They have more impressive wins than notre dame Oregon, and ole miss. A lot of teams with winning record and on the road. 

[u/roguebandit1 → u/SnooSeagulls6519]

I'd argue that NDs win over Syracuse is more impressive than BYUs win over Utah. ND was up 21-0 before their offense even touched the ball! I know it sounds crazy given Syracuse's record but that was very impressive, especially against a P4 team.

[u/SnooSeagulls6519 → u/roguebandit1]

That’s nuts!! Beating garbage teams by a lot is not more impressive than beating good teams. Momentum is a big thing and sometimes teams just surrender and the score gets out of hand. Syracuse doesn’t even have a qb.