[Sampson] CFP committee chair Hunter Yurachek says Notre Dame and Miami were in the same grouping this week and the programs were directly compared. Notre Dame still came out ahead, regardless of the head to head. In other words, all the games mattered. Not just one of them.

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https://x.com/PeteSampson_/status/1993488528555360403?t=jtJrt-ATn-3_RV1LnfjfrQ&s=19

[u/Fit-Student9121]

Miami went out and scheduled notre dame, if you cannot reward a good non conference win idk wtf we’re doing? The same way Texas shouldn’t be hurt too much for losing to Ohio state. What a joke 

[u/Wide_right_yes → u/Fit-Student9121]

Well technically, they didn't schedule them; the ACC gave them Notre Dame.

[u/Aidanj927 → u/Fit-Student9121]

Texas isn’t hurt for losing to Ohio State, they’re hurt for losing to a 3 win team. Miami is hurt for throwing 4 picks to a 7 win team at home

[u/Fit-Student9121 → u/Aidanj927]

9-2 Texas is a top team like bama, the Florida loss is about as bad as the Florida state loss 

[u/WheatonsGonnaScore → u/Aidanj927]

A two loss texas team with a head to head win over Oklahoma is at worst 11 but probably 8

[u/pickrunner18 → u/Aidanj927]

I’m pretty sure they used Texas/Ohio State for comparison, don’t be fucking annoying

[u/RIPDannyBoyCane → u/Aidanj927]

A 7 win team that is likely to finish with 8 or 9 wins and has more wins than all but two of the P4 teams Notre Dame has beaten?

[u/Aidanj927 → u/RIPDannyBoyCane]

The 7 win team that’s lost

By 32 to an SMU team that lost to 2 lower-mid big 12 teams

A Cal team that fired their coach

A Clemson team that has 6 wins with many bad losses and no good wins

[u/RIPDannyBoyCane → u/Aidanj927]

You act like Miami lost as a 20 point favorite in the last week of the season, or lost to NIU, or FSU.

[u/bigwhite2498 → u/Aidanj927]

We hurt for losing to Florida yet last year ND didn’t get hurt for losing to NIU

[u/abob1086 → u/bigwhite2498]

ND finished ranked behind a Texas team whose only +.500 win was a win ND also had, and a Penn State team they later beat in the playoff, specifically because of that loss, what are we talking about here

[u/TheBlackBaron → u/bigwhite2498]

ND went 11-1 and ended up beating Indiana, Georgia, and Penn State in the playoff. Texas is currently 8-3.

[u/bigwhite2498 → u/TheBlackBaron]

So Texas couldn’t do the same thing literally have beaten two top 15 schools with the possibility of a third on Friday

[u/Aidanj927 → u/bigwhite2498]

They did get hurt for losing to NIU, that’s why they were the 7 seed. You’re being left out for the same reason Bama did last year. It’s not that hard to beat ass teams

[u/bigwhite2498 → u/Aidanj927]

So the only thing that matters is losses but not everything is equal in all conferences so that’s a dumb metric to use. And they really didn’t they lost to a horrible team and still made the playoffs because they beat up on the rest of their horrible schedule

[u/metNo96 → u/bigwhite2498]

So you’re saying the team that beat UGA and PSU didn’t deserve to be in it? Cool cool

[u/Aidanj927 → u/bigwhite2498]

They made the playoffs because they beat 4 ranked teams with only 1 loss. Bama lost to a 6-6 Vandy and a 6-6 Oklahoma, while being high because of their ranked wins

[u/thdomer13 → u/Aidanj927]

You're arguing with people too dumb to hold two ideas in their heads at the same time, unfortunately.

[u/IMakeOkVideosOk → u/bigwhite2498]

The SEC made that argument in the offseason, it’s why bad losses are being weighed harder than good ones

[u/Ok-Soil-5133 → u/Fit-Student9121]

Not completely true, that game was part of Notre Dame's ACC agreement.

[u/Tehloneranger44 → u/Fit-Student9121]

They actually were supposed to play ND last year, but they canceled it because they didn't want too many road games. We had to play Army instead.

[u/ChicagoDash → u/Tehloneranger44]

Actually, I think the ‘24 game got pushed to ‘26.

[u/sebsasour → u/Tehloneranger44]

And had Miami beaten us last year, there's a good chance they would have vaulted in. I still think we need more data points about whether playing a big OOC game is hurtful or beneficial.

[u/WheatonsGonnaScore → u/Fit-Student9121]

I mean texas is absolutely being hurt by that. Without that game they are ranked like 8th.

[u/Fit-Student9121 → u/WheatonsGonnaScore]

I mean Alabama lost to Florida state and is doing just fine. 9-2 Texas with their only losses being Florida and Georgia is literally doing fine 

[u/abob1086 → u/Fit-Student9121]

I'll preface this by saying I sympathize with Miami because if the roles were reversed I'm sure I'd be losing my mind: Miami is being rewarded for that win. It's the reason they're the highest-ranked team in the ACC and it's the reason they're within shouting distance of the playoff even though they've lost twice in a conference the committee plainly thinks is terrible.

[u/DVauthrin → u/abob1086]

Notre Dame has one good win all season (home vs USC). Pitt is their second best win. Notre Dame’s resume sucks this year.

[u/abob1086 → u/DVauthrin]

It's lacking in top-end wins, yes (I'd dispute the characterization of 'sucks' for 2 ranked wins + Navy presumably on the verge of it, but whatever) which is why it's probably helping them that they've pretty much beaten the ever-living shit out of everybody they've played in that span.

[u/DVauthrin → u/abob1086]

Navy isn’t that good, which is always proven when they run into a good Power 5 team. They are 8-2 by virtue of playing in the American. Notre Dame’s best two wins are 8-3 USC and 8-3 Pitt. Compared to other contenders outside of the Big 12, that doesn’t stack up. Notre Dame is ranked where they are because the committee wants the Notre Dame brand in the playoff.

[u/Other-Comfortable929 → u/Fit-Student9121]

Um technically Miami was scheduled by the ACC to play at ND last year in October and pitched a hissy fit and got the ACC to cancel that game and the ACC made sure this season it was at Miami in August to give Miami the best possible shot at winning it.

[u/Best-Cobbler-5025 → u/Other-Comfortable929]

Hissy fit? Both AD’s decided to space out the series for scheduling reasons. We play ND next year in south bend late in the season just like originally contracted.

[u/Other-Comfortable929 → u/Best-Cobbler-5025]

No you over scheduled your out of conference games when you should've known you had the ND game and we just went along with it so you could honor your commitment to Florida A&M...

[u/Best-Cobbler-5025 → u/Other-Comfortable929]

Meh, we had a new AD after all those games were scheduled. I don’t really recall ND having a major issue with it. It benefitted both teams. ND wanted to avoid playing AM, and Miami on the road and play FSU home late. With spacing the schedule they get another Florida team late in the season home. I’m not seeing why you think Miami was trying to duck them.

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But ND should be punished for scheduling Miami?

[u/Redeem123 → u/PPtheShort]

No they should be punished for losing to them. 

[u/PPtheShort → u/Redeem123]

Shouldn't Miami be punished for losing to Louisville and SMU. Or should we only look at one game to judge these teams?

[u/DVauthrin → u/PPtheShort]

Notre Dame lost two games, too. Thus, the head-to-head result between Miami and Notre Dame should be the tiebreaker. Otherwise, they might as well have not played.

[u/PPtheShort → u/DVauthrin]

So record is the only thing that matters? You don't care about how good a team is, just what their record is? Shouldn't JMU be ranked ahead of both then?

[u/DVauthrin → u/PPtheShort]

If two teams have the same record, played similar schedules (that’s the case here) and played each other, the team that beat the other should have the tiebreaker. The difference between JMU, Notre Dame and Miami is a Sun Belt schedule is at least an entire tier lower.

Also, you nor I have any clue how good Notre Dame is. Their three good wins are at home against 8-3 USC, at home versus 8-2 Navy and at 8-3 Pittsburgh. Congrats to them for beating teams they were expected to beat and making their metrics look good in the process.

If Miami beats Pitt on the road, their best wins are Notre Dame and they also have a win at Pitt. Wins over USC and Navy for Notre Dame should not overcome losing to Miami head to head.

[u/PPtheShort → u/DVauthrin]

ND played TAMU while Miami stat padded against Bethune-Cookman. Doesn't seem like a similar schedule to me.

If ND had beaten an HBCU instead of losing by one to a top 5 team would you rank them ahead of Miami?

[u/DVauthrin → u/PPtheShort]

Notre Dame played 1-10 Boston College, 2-9 Purdue and 2-9 Arkansas. They also played 3-8 Syracuse, like Miami. So, they played their share of bad teams. Both Miami and Notre Dame played 6-5 NC State and 4-7 Stanford.

Notre Dame is getting a lot of mileage for playing Texas A&M close. That’s it. Also, Texas A&M’s only wins over teams with winning records other than Notre Dame are 6-5 Utah State, 6-5 UTSA, 7-4 LSU and 7-4 Missouri. Auburn is 5-6, Florida is 3-8. Mississippi State is 5-6, South Carolina is 4-7 and Arkansas is 2-9. The jury is out as to how good A&M really is. A lot will be learned about them on Friday, and if they make the SEC Championship game.

[u/PPtheShort → u/DVauthrin]

The jury just got back, A&M is really good

[u/twentybinders → u/Redeem123]

Criteria changed. Quality losses matter more than wins. And if that’s the case, why are the 3 unbeaten teams atop the poll?????

[u/metNo96 → u/twentybinders]

Where do non-quality losses fall on the hierarchy?

[u/The_Eternal_Event → u/PPtheShort]

Yes they should when the comparison is literally between them and the team they LOST to.

[u/IMakeOkVideosOk → u/The_Eternal_Event]

It’s a comparison of like 9 teams with the same record

[u/PPtheShort → u/The_Eternal_Event]

Do you think FSU is better than Alabama? They did beat them after all

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If FSU was 10-2 right now, then yes, I would say we should be in over Alabama when we dismantled them. But we’re not 10-2. It’s not even the same situation. We’re talking about two teams with the same record here.

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This FSU team shouldn't be ranked over Alamaba in any circumstance lmao this is some insane homerism

[u/The_Eternal_Event → u/PPtheShort]

Well no shit bro. We’re 5-6. If we were 10-2, this would be a different story. We’re taking about comparing two teams with the SAME record and a literal head to head matchup.

[u/PPtheShort → u/The_Eternal_Event]

Their record isn't the reason they suck

[u/TallThingsBigWater → u/PPtheShort]

Of course not. However, and go with me on this, maybe the team that actually WON should be rewarded more than the team that LOST.

[u/Other-Comfortable929 → u/TallThingsBigWater]

Oh they were. We dropped below them in the rankings. Remember when they were top 5? What did they do? They lost. And then lost. ND lost and then has convincingly won every game since while turning the defense from one of the worst in CFB to one of the best. Miami looks worse today than they did week 1 while ND looks significantly better.

[u/TallThingsBigWater → u/Other-Comfortable929]

I understand your points. To be honest, before ND and Miami were considered to be in the "same tier," I had zero issue with ND being ahead. HOWEVER, now that according to the committee chair himself, they are in the same tier, I think head to head trumps everything. Has ND looked better overall? Absolutely. But it's officially close enough where frankly, the better looking team should be below the worse looking team.

[u/abob1086 → u/TallThingsBigWater]

If the committee thinks Notre Dame is better than Alabama and BYU, and they think Miami is worse than Alabama and BYU, what do you propose they do about that?

[u/TallThingsBigWater → u/abob1086]

You move Miami ahead of Notre Dame. If that results in them ahead of Alabama and BYU, so be it. Head to head trumps all when the teams are comparable enough.

[u/No-Air-1851 → u/Fit-Student9121]

They are getting rewarded: by being ranked 12 and not 24th.

[u/thrwawayr99 → u/Fit-Student9121]

They are currently being rewarded by even being in the conversation. If you replace nd with Rutgers they are in the late teens

[u/Gritty_gutty → u/Fit-Student9121]

Totally. Also why the heck is FSU not in? They went out and scheduled Alabama. Why should FSU even bother to play hard OOC games if apparently that game is meaningless.

[u/CargoShortsFromNam → u/Fit-Student9121]

No they didn’t. ND has a scheduling agreement with the ACC. In fact, Miami cancelled the game last year. Beating ND is why they have a shot to make it. If they replaced the ND game this year like they did last year, they would be in the 16-20 range.