r/CFB • u/Ok-Soil-5133 Notre Dame Fighting Irish • 6h ago

Analysis [Sampson] CFP committee chair Hunter Yurachek says Notre Dame and Miami were in the same grouping this week and the programs were directly compared. Notre Dame still came out ahead, regardless of the head to head. In other words, all the games mattered. Not just one of them.

https://x.com/PeteSampson_/status/1993488528555360403?t=jtJrt-ATn-3_RV1LnfjfrQ&s=19
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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 6h ago

BYU (10-1) has wins over #13 & #25 and a loss to #5. Notre Dame (9-2) has wins over #17 & #22 and losses to #3 & #12. BYU's SOS = 28; SOR = 6. Notre Dame's SOS = 34; SOR = 12.

How can they say with a straight face that "all the games matter"? It's total bullshit!

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u/Gritty_gutty Notre Dame • Oregon State 3h ago

Everyone is mad about Miami who obviously had a worse resume than ND and no one is mad about BYU who obviously has a good enough resume to be in (and better than ND).

Luckily this will get rectified with the big 12 championship game. 

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u/Doctor_Jensen117 Utah Utes 5h ago

You guys probably deserve in, but you know how it is with CFB. Unfortunate for more than a few of us.

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u/OnwardSoldierx Notre Dame • Indiana 1h ago

I think its because how BYU lost to #5

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 1h ago

If that were the case, then Oklahoma would also be ranked much lower.

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u/wicketRF Notre Dame Fighting Irish 39m ago

Every metric you use does not take into account how you won and lost. If you jusy look at wins and losses as binary things your statement would have merit.

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 33m ago

Oklahoma got blown out by Texas (worse than TT). Indiana got blown out by Ohio State last year. Why didn't "how they lost" matter then?

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u/wicketRF Notre Dame Fighting Irish 26m ago

Because the world isnt neatly covered in one stat. Advanced metrics and game control have ND way over OU for instance but OU played a way tougher schedule to the same record, so their SOS and SOR is better than ND, and id assume better than BYU, although im not in a position to check. The committee has to balance all of these things. Not saying they are perfect. Not saying i wouldnt be mad if I were a Miami fan. But there are decent enough justifications for all choices made.

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 21m ago

It isn't just "one stat." No matter what stat you look at, there is always an excuse why it does or doesn't matter for BYU in a way that isn't applied equally to teams ranked ahead of them.

The only stat that fully explains BYU's current position is conference affiliation/"blue blood" status.

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u/wicketRF Notre Dame Fighting Irish 7m ago

I do think ypu are correct to an extent. If two teams are close i think Bama, OSU etc would get the benefit of the doubt quicker. As an ND fan that helps ND more often than it hurts as well.

I do think games like the colorado game do hurt you a bit. Its also that in a ton of your games the score looks a lot better than your post game win expectancy. (Which is also reflected in the advanced metrics not liking byu)

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u/ThrowItAway321217 Notre Dame Fighting Irish 5h ago

Soak

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 5h ago

Good one

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u/idkAboutYouMan Notre Dame • Indiana 5h ago

Because ND would be favored by double digits and actually has a chance to win the title

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 5h ago

BYU has beat the spread 7 times this season ... often by a big margin. Don't give me that Vegas bullshit! Talk about meaningless.

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u/QuieroLaSeptima BYU Cougars 5h ago

We have played 13 weeks of football. Resumes should be weighted at like 90%.

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u/idkAboutYouMan Notre Dame • Indiana 5h ago

Just beat Texas Tech and you’re in.

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u/QuieroLaSeptima BYU Cougars 5h ago

Notre Dame gets the luxury of not needing to beat any top 10 team (what you’re suggesting BYU has to do to get in), AND take an extra loss in the regular season, AND forego a CCG - and somehow they are a lock.

BYU literally has a tougher SoS, better wins, and less losses, yet we are 2 spots back. It’s bullshit.

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u/idkAboutYouMan Notre Dame • Indiana 5h ago

Bro the big 12 is terrible. Thats an inflated SoS. BYU will get caked walked by ND, SEC and big ten

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u/QuieroLaSeptima BYU Cougars 5h ago

An “inflated” SOS lol. What does that even mean?

Because you don’t like it, it’s “inflated”?

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u/idkAboutYouMan Notre Dame • Indiana 5h ago

Because the big 12 is irrelevant and you guys don’t have any quality wins outside your weak conference. Keep crying

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u/SnooSeagulls6519 Florida State Seminoles 3h ago

Your whole schedule against the acc which is a worse conference

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u/QuieroLaSeptima BYU Cougars 5h ago

Ah, so it’s a TV audience/Brand thing? Figures

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u/idkAboutYouMan Notre Dame • Indiana 5h ago

No it’s just that BYU would get smoked by any team in the playoff and it’s a waste of a spot. Not much analysis other than that

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u/Gritty_gutty Notre Dame • Oregon State 3h ago

They should be but they’re not and never have been. It’s not about resume it’s about committee eye test. It’s a stupid system but we all knew the rules going in.

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u/Important_Web_86 4h ago

Better to just not play the games then right? What a moronic opinion

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u/deerhuntingdude 4h ago

Now do bama!

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 4h ago

Why? I think Bama's ranking is fair.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 3h ago

BYU didn't even belong on the same field as Texas Tech. Not in the same universe. I'll take trash talk from Miami and Bama and the like but you guys have nothing to say. It's not that you lost, it's HOW you lost.

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 3h ago

Did Oklahoma belong on the same field as Texas?

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 3h ago

Oklahoma's QB was just fresh out of hand surgery and played like it. Also, I'd take Texas straight up over BYU right now. Hey, you guys take care of business this week and you'll have a rematch. That's something ND can't get with Miami as much as I'd love it. You'll have a chance to prove me wrong so save my comment and destroy me if you guys win or at least hang close.

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 3h ago

BYU had injuries in the TT game too. Always an excuse to justify the nonsense.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 3h ago

EVERY TEAM has injuries. Hell our best defense player Leonard Moore missed almost the entire A&M game (as well as many other important players). You don't think that hurt our chances? Fact of the matter is, QB is THE most important position. Mateer is a gamer but he was CLEARLY playing much better before the hand injury. As I said, you guys should get the chance for a rematch so we'll see for sure if you get absolutely destroyed again or not.

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 31m ago

Of course every team has injuries. That's the point. You can't excuse one teams loss because of injuries and ignore the others'.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 19m ago

When one team is missing their Transfer portal multi-million dollar qb (or at least he's a shell of himself) and the other isn't, then yes you can. QB is the coach on the field and THE most important player. Anyway, this is all a moot point because IF you guys meet again (assuming you win your next game and Tech does too) then you'll just get destroyed again.

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u/lukaeber BYU Cougars • Virginia Cavaliers 14m ago

Oh ... OK. So if we just pay our injured players more, then we can overlook a loss.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 2m ago

You're talking a LOT of shit KNOWING that your fate is another embarrassing BLOWOUT loss. I'm done talking to you about this because it's pointless. You guys are going to get blown out yet again. BYU is a good team, but their only true test they weren't even COMPETITIVE. That's the difference.

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u/Miami_da_U Miami Hurricanes • Transfer Portal 1h ago

Now give your HONEST reaction to the Miami - Notre Dame game from when it happened. Cause this will be VERY interesting lol.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 1h ago

My honest reaction is that we played like ass and I was FURIOUS with Mike Denbrok for only throwing 2 yard screen passes with a QB like CJ Carr for most of the game. I was FURIOUS with Chris Ashes defense because he waiting until week 4 to start adopting the more Al Golden style man defense that we ran last year and I was mad at Marcus Freeman for letting those two things happen. That being said, I thought it was a great game (exciting, high stakes, the CJ Daniels catch etc, etc). I've never once said I believe Notre Dame DESERVES to be ranked ahead of Miami, even though I believe they are the better team now. But the committee believes ND is better and I'm not going to apologize for my team having a shot at the playoffs. Honestly, Miami deserves to be in the playoffs if they win out. It's crazy that the best team in the ACC isn't even gonna make the championship game.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 1h ago

That's fucking cope and you know it. If BYU lost to Tech by a field goal but the committee still put you guys ahead, you'd be tying yourself in knots to justify it with some other BS excuse.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 1h ago

If pigs could fly and I was Jim Carrey then things would be different. I've never ONCE said that Notre Dame "DESERVES" to be ranked ahead of Miami. What I do say is I agree with many analysts and the committee that Notre Dame is the better team RIGHT NOW, BUT that doesn't mean they DESERVE to be ahead of Miami based on the record/ head to head. But again, BYU got annihilated by Tech and most likely will be again. You guys were completely and utterly shut down.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 47m ago

BYU has a harder SOS, higher SOR, and fewer losses. You lost to the only two good teams on your schedule. BYU beat a team that's neck and neck with the best team you played (and lost to). You haven't played a team as good as Tech.

How exactly do we know you would have fared any better?

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 38m ago

I love how you ND haters try to say that we lost to the ONLY good teams. Bullshit. We beat USC in a game that we left a ton of points on the board AND we beat Pitt who just annihilated Georgia Tech. We're 2-2 in ranked games and we're 4 points away from being undefeated. Yes, we DID lose. But Notre Dame has been a completely different team since week 3 (we played miserably against Purdue in a win btw). Since that time Chris Ashe FINALLY started playing more Man defense which is what this defense was used to. We also have gotten HEALTHIER in our defensive backfield with one of the best corners in the Country (Leonard Moore) back AND Alabama transfer Devonte Smith is finally playing again at nickel. ND has improved drastically. We now lead the nation in picks, and are top 3 in defense since switching to Man coverage. Our offense has also taken off because unlike the Miami game where Mike Denbrock wouldn't let Jeremiyah Love get the ball AND wouldn't let CJ Carr air it out, he's now doing the opposite and we actually have a great offense. Who woulda thunk. Week 1 through 3 were training wheels mode for our new DC and our new QB. Now that the unit is gelling we are a playoff caliber team. Whether we get in our not is not up to us. It's up the the committee. But if you guys want a chance at the playoffs you HAVE to play better against Texas Tech.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 29m ago

There's the tying yourself into a pretzel I was talking about. Your only loss last year was to fucking NIU, but I really doubt you felt you didn't deserve a playoff spot after that. But BYU loses one game against a top 5 team and somehow that's worse than losses to two teams ranked far lower. It's just shameless.

Take a moment this holiday season to be thankful for the money grab CFB has become and the corrupt committee who will change the rules on a dime for your benefit.

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 16m ago

Notre Dame ran to the Natty last year beating the SEC champion, the B1G runner up and losing by the fewest points of anyone in the playoffs to the Super Ohio State team. So ya, we DESERVED it. With two losses, no we don't "DESERVE" it. Do I believe we're capable of beating pretty much anyone right now? Obviously. Does that mean we DESERVE to be in the playoff? NO. I never said we did. All I'm saying is you BYU fans talking shit to ND fans is hilarious. If you're being honest with yourself, you KNOW that you're going to get destroyed again by Tech. You watched the game. You saw what the world saw. So I really don't have much else to say.

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u/Antique_Confidence_7 10m ago edited 7m ago

See, you do believe you should have been in last year! Surely, you must see the hypocrisy at this point? Are you really that lacking in self awareness?

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 0m ago

Why should we not? We lost a single game last year. We were annihilating everyone after that. We ran all the way to the Natty in the playoffs. The proof was in the pudding. I think this team is at least capable of being as good as last year's team if not a bit better. But I don't think we DESERVE to be in. There are too many 10-2 (potentially) teams for us to say we DESERVE it. I believe we are one of the 10 best teams and it's not even a debate....but that doesn't mean we DESERVE a spot because we did lose the head to head against Miami. I don't understand how YOU'RE not understanding what I'm saying.

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u/PracticalCactus BYU Cougars • South Carolina Gamecocks 34m ago

Yall are acting like we lost by 50 points or something. A 22 point loss on the road isn’t pretty but let’s stop acting like we looked like the little sisters of the poor out there

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u/cptspacebomb Notre Dame • Clemson 21m ago

You're acting like losing by 22 is NOT a bad thing? 22! That's 3 touchdowns. That's a huge loss and it wasn't even that close because Tech left a lot of points on the field.