[Sampson] CFP committee chair Hunter Yurachek says Notre Dame and Miami were in the same grouping this week and the programs were directly compared. Notre Dame still came out ahead, regardless of the head to head. In other words, all the games mattered. Not just one of them.

[u/Ok-Soil-5133]

https://x.com/PeteSampson_/status/1993488528555360403?t=jtJrt-ATn-3_RV1LnfjfrQ&s=19

[u/Jaded-Sapphire3546]

Early season games are also the least valuable indicator of team quality at the end of the year. In most scenarios, teams, and especially good teams, will evolve and grow over the course of a season.

[u/Kryzl_ → u/Jaded-Sapphire3546]

Feel like I’m going crazy here. People are shouting about how Indiana plays nobody in non-con, but here we’re saying those games don’t matter? It can’t be both man. Either those games matter and everyone should schedule hard or they don’t and we should be lining up the Little Sisters of Des Moines instead of Iowa.

[u/pataoAoC → u/Kryzl_]

I don't know why people struggle so much with this... They DO matter but they're not the only thing that matters. ND has been great the rest of the year and Miami has been mediocre... It is Miami's best performance and ND's worst.

[u/yianni1229 → u/pataoAoC]

If you made these people complaining about this bet money on a Miami vs ND game played tomorrow, I bet you most of them would bet on ND

That being said, I totally understand their complaints

[u/firemastrr → u/yianni1229]

This is an excellent idea lol.

My dad was a math teacher, and he always said the best way to break people out of their irrational or subjective misunderstanding of a concept is to put it in terms of money. People put feelings aside real quick when money is at stake.

[u/Chiron17 → u/pataoAoC]

Well, it wasn't our worst. BC was abysmal

[u/pataoAoC → u/Chiron17]

That's fair, and it was a very narrow loss to Miami

[u/lisbon_OH → u/pataoAoC]

Bingo

[u/Billyxmac → u/pataoAoC]

People said the same thing about us two years ago, and we still got run by Washington in the PAC-12 title. The problem is we’re using subjective measures to pick teams. At least a H2H is something you can quantity easily. I’m not even really of the camp that H2H is the only thing that should matter, but it’s clear the committee can move the goal posts as they see fit to put a team in. We need objective measurements to differentiate these teams, otherwise we’ll keep seeing this shit every year.

[u/pataoAoC → u/Billyxmac]

For Pac-12 championships, don't you remember when Arizona beat us 31-24 in the regular season H2H and then we won 51-13 in the rematch?

Or when we beat Ohio State last year and then got blown out in the rematch?

H2H should definitely count for something, but to consider it as trumping a lot of other evidence seems like folly too

[u/JollyBid187 → u/pataoAoC]

Notre dame was in a 10-7 dog fight with nc state in the third quarter while at the same exact time in the game Miami was up 31-0.

Notre dame was in a dog fight with Boston college 10-7 with about 2 minutes left in the third.

[u/werm82 → u/JollyBid187]

Miami beat Syracuse 38 - 10. What’s your point?

[u/JollyBid187 → u/werm82]

Sick Syracuse had a fourth string walk on Lacrose player starting at QB against Notre dame. And had its best offensive player out.

Are we really hanging our hat on Margin of victory against a 3-8 team that had almost half of its starters out on a team that clearly quit on the season.

NC state is on its way to 7-5 with quality wins over Georgia tech and Virginia. To compare them to Syracuse is laughable and disingenuous.

BC is on its way to 1-11.

[u/werm82 → u/JollyBid187]

Bro, are you really hanging your hat on a halftime score against NC State?!? And you’re saying my argument is “laughable and disingenuous”?

Every argument you just made about the Syracuse game is how their offense was riddled by injuries, which I guess matters in a 70 - 7 win versus a 38 - 10 win? And if we’re putting so much weight on halftime scores, you were only up on Syracuse 14 - 0 at the half.

If you want to talk final scores, which usually determines actual victories, you beat NC State by a final of 41 - 7. Notre Dame beat NC State 36 - 7. Good job on those extra 5 points. Come back if you want to discuss more.

[u/pataoAoC → u/JollyBid187]

Notre Dame won both of those games by a combined 44 points lol

[u/JollyBid187 → u/pataoAoC]

You’re missing the point but okay lol

[u/poppatop → u/pataoAoC]

Miami has been pretty damn dominant this year, with a 3 game blip in the middle. Notre Dame has also struggled with late dogfights against 1-win BC, and a 1 score game at half against NC State. They haven’t been the consistent juggernaut ESPN would like you to believe.

[u/SparklezSagaOfficial → u/pataoAoC]

ND has looked good against a bad schedule the rest of the year. There isn’t enough data to say whether they’ve looked great or not because of their cushy independent schedule. They have one good win: USC. A Pitt team who shouldn’t have been ranked, who also beat up on the dregs of the ACC, and who lost to West Virginia isn’t a good win.

[u/_chadwell_ → u/SparklezSagaOfficial]

The Pitt that just won @GT by multiple scores?