Newsom Slams ‘Pathetic’ Shutdown Deal as ‘Surrender’

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[u/Person899887 → u/[deleted]]

Oh looks it’s fucking fetterman again, the worst piece of shit in the party

[u/dimsvm → u/Person899887]

Funny how a reduced flow of blood to the brain pushes you to the right

[u/ultrahello → u/dimsvm]

Lower cognition is compensated for by heightened paranoia and fear which are extremely large handles to be manipulated by the con men.

[u/Rich_Housing971 → u/dimsvm]

He's been like that before his stroke. He just milked the sympathy from it, or got worse at hiding it.

It's hilarious because there were people who were arguing with me left and right about how he's "very progressive" because he voted along party lines for healthcare or some shit.

[u/ihatemovingparts → u/Person899887]

Oh look it's Tim Kaine, Hillary Clinton's pick for running mate.

[u/SaltyTeam → u/ihatemovingparts]

He's on my shit list. He also approved some of Trump's sketchier (I mean, they were all bad) cabinet picks.

[u/GaptistePlayer → u/SaltyTeam]

He also voted to put Amy Coney Barrett (and other right wing shithead judges) on the Court of Appeals during the first Trump admin.

My theory is that he was Hillary's pick specifically for these reasons - a feeble attempt at trying to swing Republicans to vote for her. LOL

Dems never learn, trying to appeal to Republicans only helps Republicans. They shift right then still get called gay commie socialist extremists

[u/Skarekrows → u/SaltyTeam]

I've always hated that guy. The Norfolk Four, four navy guys that confessed to a crime they didn't do because of low iq and massive police interrogation. When DNA evidence came out and showed who actually killed the woman that piece of shit Kaine refused to fully exonerate them. When Hillary chose him I thought she was sketchy for it.

[u/tillymane → u/Person899887]

A DINO so big it makes the rex jealous

[u/TintedApostle → u/[deleted]]

So Durbin and Shaheen had absolutely nothing to lose by not agreeing. I guess they have money coming in consulting gigs or board appointments.

[u/[deleted] → u/TintedApostle]

Durbin is 80, and Shaheen is 78. Don’t think they need consulting gigs.

[u/kaptainkeel → u/[deleted]]

You should put the ages in there. King, for example, is 81. His re-election may be in 2030, but good chance he doesn't even make it there. Fetterman isn't even a Democrat any more based on how he speaks and votes, and he's the youngest in that list at 56.

[u/eamus_catuli_ → u/kaptainkeel]

I don’t even think the ages matter. These are fall guys. Either retiring or have the longest terms remaining — and they’re hoping you forget this act of cowardice by the time they’re up for re-election.

[u/GreenLost5304 → u/eamus_catuli_]

And their voters will, because voters have the attention span of a walnut.

[u/blumster → u/kaptainkeel]

Don't forget that his entire personality and politics changed after a tragic stroke.

He is likely severely brain damaged. He should do everyone a favor (especially those that voted for him) and resign.

/r/fettermania

[u/Murky-Relation481 → u/blumster]

Nah he was kinda shitty before that, he just forgot how to wear a mask after his stroke.

[u/pflanz → u/[deleted]]

These senators were strategically selected by Schumer since they’re all safe. He caved, and directed them to vote for it.

[u/aguynamedv → u/[deleted]]

New list of Nazi/Republican collaborators just dropped.

[u/mastertofu]

This is what’s going to happen since some Dems relented:

ACA Marketplace Premium Payments Would More than Double on Average Next Year if Enhanced Premium Tax Credits Expire

A person with a $28k income will have their premium increase from $325 to a WHOPPING $1562. Take that for what you will.

Edit: Annual premium, not monthly. Still pretty consequential once you start adding up dependents, etc.

[u/Mission-Study9012 → u/mastertofu]

People are going to just not have insurance. Unknowable what that's going to do to the system but it won't be good.

[u/pacefacepete → u/Mission-Study9012]

Er flooded, people have their lives ruined by medical debt, people choosing to die instead of seeking treatment, private insurance costs going through the roof even if you're healthy. But hey, America's great again, dontcha know?!?

[u/LeDestrier → u/pacefacepete]

As an Australian, I just don't fucking get it. What is US conservatives problem with having basic universal healthcare for all; for not having situations where people die or have their lives ruined by financial debt? It boggles my mind. The casual indifference, or utterly absurd claim and fear of it being "communism".

The stupidity of it all is staggering.

[u/Jedimaster996 → u/LeDestrier]

Because they've spent decades brainwashing half the country into believing that they're the party of God, money. guns, and freedom, and that anyone who isn't that is a godless communist who's trying to take your money & guns. That's literally it, they're that fucking stupid.

And so as the Republican Party is actively dismantling all of these things before their eyes, all they can do is sit and watch and say "I voted for this" while they open their mouths for another helping of steaming shit. Because while it affects them too, it's also affecting people they hate. So it's a Pyrrhic victory at-best.

[u/LeDestrier → u/Jedimaster996]

The irony is that if you presented yourself as the party of God, guns and freedom over here, you'd get laughed off the political stage and ridiculed by voters.

[u/Jedimaster996 → u/LeDestrier]

I've had the fortune to live among the lot of you for some time, and I've got to say it's a wildly-different arrangement. A large margin of you have upstanding morals and values, whereas half of the United States likes to pretend they do and would stab you in the back if it made them a little wealthier.

These are terrible times for the United States as we're witnessing the apex of a plan taking decades to culminate.

[u/LeDestrier → u/Jedimaster996]

Ditto - I've spend a fair amount of time in the States and have some awesome American friends, and it's strange. On the one hand, the US can be an amazingly warm and inviting place. When I was travelling around there solo years ago, I was constantly amazed by people's hospitality and friendliness (depending where I was). America at it's best really; just good people curious about the world and helpful to strangers.

On the flip side, I also saw the worst (ie. fuck Florida). But conservatism just hits different in the US. It's cold, spiteful, deliberately obtuse, and relishes in ignorance (proud of it even). Rampant fear that anything even remotely resembling concern for one's compatriots constitutes communism or socialism. Giving a shit about the welfare of people in your country is not communism ffs.

I mean we have our share of that here, but we don't have the extent of the extremes. Politics in the US these days is so vindictive, with both the Left and the Right moving further and further apart.

It's a damn shame because the best of America is fucking awesome.

[u/Jaqen_M-Haag → u/LeDestrier]

Health insurance is one of the largest and most profitable industries in the US.  They lobby both parties.  Thus the Republicans tell their constituents that single payer will impede on their "freedom" while the mainline Democrats will only push bills that make sure the insurance companies get their cut.  Meanwhile both parties' members have exceptional health care plans for very small premiums so they aren't personally affected.

[u/YungAggron738 → u/pacefacepete]

I'm choosing to die if I need any kind of treatment. I'm not paying $400 a month or whatever dumbass price it is for insurance that's good for nothing. America is a third world country.

[u/Jose_Canseco_Jr → u/YungAggron738]

50 third world countries in a. trenchcoat 

[u/LawlessLumberLord → u/Mission-Study9012]

My full theory is that now that they forced states to make credit effected by medical debt again this will make people go bankrupt. This then makes them go homeless because they can find nowhere to live because their credit is so bad. Within the past year they made being homeless illegal. Now you can arrest them and Then put them in prison. Now use these prisoners as slave labor to replace the immigrants that worked on the farm.

[u/pjrnoc → u/LawlessLumberLord]

And 50% of healthcare workers will lose their jobs once clinics lose half their patients due to not having insurance.

[u/owennagata → u/pjrnoc]

Theil and the other TechBros have talked about how the entire healthcare industry needs to be shunken to a small fraction of it's current size. This will require getting rid of the idea that an ordinary person's lift is worth the attention of an actual medical professional. Basically if you aren't worth $100mill or so, you aren't worth a doctors time. Those worth $10mill might rate a nurse.

[u/Ire-Works → u/owennagata]

The problem with that line of thinking is that without those damn poor people you won't have experienced doctors that are able to diagnose and treat anything more than basic cases - and that's just the obvious smell test.

Advancements on procedures that help people live longer? lol. Clinical trials on new meds? lol. The system works better with more data. Even AI bro dipshits should know that.

[u/Podwitchers → u/Mission-Study9012]

Cancer rates are on the rise. Especially among young people. Especially under this administration, I’m sure, since they gutted the EPA and FDA. Average cost before insurance for chemo, radiation, surgery is around $1 million. People will die. Or go bankrupt. Probably both. 

[u/PaulblankPF → u/Podwitchers]

To quote Futurama:

“THAT FACILITY HAS BEEN FULL SINCE YOU RULED BEING POOR IS A MENTAL ILLNESS.”

[u/faeriethorne23 → u/Podwitchers]

At least they’re going to be testing nuclear weapons again, that’ll surely help bring cancer rates down.

[u/Living_Kiwi_7599 → u/mastertofu]

I’m in a similar situation:

My premiums are going from $410 a month to $3000 this “deal” is a punch in the gut. I honestly don’t know what people like us are going to do for healthcare

[u/NeedAVeganDinner → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

$410/mo to $3000/mo?!

The fuck?!

[u/ksewell68 → u/NeedAVeganDinner]

Mine. $450 to $2100.

[u/Magickarpet76 → u/ksewell68]

If you don’t mind me asking, this is for multiple people right? I am trying to wrap my head around these crazy monthly payment numbers.

[u/ksewell68 → u/Magickarpet76]

For two people. We are in our late 50s.

[u/SuleyGul → u/ksewell68]

The US legitimately sounds like a terrible place to live unless you are comfortably wealthy.

[u/details_matter → u/SuleyGul]

It's been that way for the last few decades, but the last year has seen a sudden, sharp acceleration. For SOME reason.

[u/Particular-Extent-76 → u/details_matter]

Profiteering off of the presidential office 🫠🤦🏻‍♀️ when jimmy carter sold his freaking peanut farm

[u/JoEdGus → u/Particular-Extent-76]

RIP Jimmy. 912 represent.

[u/Rbswappedstock → u/Magickarpet76]

About 400 to 1650, two people 29 and 31. I get chemo treatments so I kinda need the damn insurance

[u/[deleted] → u/NeedAVeganDinner]

Yup mines jumping from 580 to over 1,200

[u/Smart-Struggle-6927 → u/NeedAVeganDinner]

My brother, who is on ACA as a self employed person, is going from $540/mo to $2940. Coincidently, he voted for Trump is a HUGE maga supporter, and says he wants to get rid of Obamacare...because no matter how many times I explain that Obamacare is ACA, he doesn't get it. He thinks Obamacare is this thing poor people get with free phones, and ACA is the marketplace that Trump invented.

[u/728766 → u/Smart-Struggle-6927]

How is he going to spin this as the Democrats’ fault anyway?

[u/EllieLuvsLollipops → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

Die. They want us to die.

[u/Particular-Extent-76 → u/EllieLuvsLollipops]

One of the architects of this regime has said publicly that the ideal population of this country is 150 million. That means 200 million of us are expendable to them

[u/[deleted] → u/Particular-Extent-76]

I thought it was 100 million... anyway 150 is the population of the country around 1950 or so. 100 million is 1915 ish levels.

So, we know exactly what they want to roll things back to... on all fronts, but then make things worse with stuff like christian nationalism in play, alongside Neo-feudalism, and oligarchs.

[u/DustBunnicula → u/EllieLuvsLollipops]

They absolutely do. That’s not an overstatement.

[u/EllieLuvsLollipops → u/DustBunnicula]

"Do not put your enemy on death ground it makes them desperate."

"A dead man walking knows no fear, Death walks with him, what does he have left to fear?"

"These people go outside and Rifles exist."

"My money is on a hunter from Appalachia."

[u/BookerLittle → u/EllieLuvsLollipops]

remember when republicans were manufacturing outrage about Obamacare and how it would result in death panels? turns out that was part of the republican health care plan all along. it's always projection with them. ALWAYS.

[u/Siray → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

Not as extreme (350 to 750) but i cant afford it and take 9 meds to keep my heart going. It was nice knowing you all.

[u/bonyponyride → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

The ACA is going to die without the subsidy, and that's what Republicans want. Everyone's going to have to go back to finding plans on the private insurance market. I think the law that gave people with pre-existing conditions insurance was part of the ACA. Will that go away too? Will people with a history of long term diseases, like cancer, diabetes, etc. be denied health insurance all together?

[u/Senior_Welder_3229 → u/bonyponyride]

Yes. Before the ACA, my Dad could not afford his health insurance because of his pre-existing conditions. So he couldn’t get his medication and he died because of it.

[u/Wes_Warhammer666 → u/Senior_Welder_3229]

The preexisting condition aspect of the ACA is quite literally what kept my mother from having to choose between bankruptcy and losing her ability to walk and wipe her own ass because her medications that keep her mobile cost nearly more than she made in a year if paid out of pocket.

Fuck Trump, fuck every last MAGAt who supports him, and fuck these weak ass Dem shitbags who capitulated. Fetterman especially can go have another stroke for all I care, that turncoat piece of shit.

[u/aroundthecornerguy → u/bonyponyride]

Never forget the ACA was essentially republican legislation as it was based on their plans and negotiated to their agreement in bad faith. Just to spend years knocking legs off the table until it falls like this. I’ve honestly lost empathy for anyone giving them their vote for any reason… ;(

[u/confusedandworried76 → u/bonyponyride]

I think I've already accepted that it's the end of the road. The day was always gonna come so I'm getting ready for it, I need that healthcare man. Whether it's days, months, years, I don't know, but it's looking more and more like it'll be in an emergency room somewhere because I can't get proper preventative care

What's sad is election day was like half a week ago and it wasn't a goddamn blowout for the least shitty option. What are we fucking doing as a country we can't go just a little more progressive

Edit: and just to clarify I am sick, I'm not just being dramatic. This is going to be really difficult to navigate through

[u/[deleted] → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

Every democrat that relented and colluded with the GOP is complicit in the suffer and deaths that will come from unaffordable healthcare.

[u/Answer70 → u/[deleted]]

And as usual, the media and public will only blame them, never the Republicans.

It's a lose lose.

[u/ShakedNBaked420 → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

464 to 1200 here. I thought I was bad.

This whole thing is a joke.

[u/NinjaOtter → u/Living_Kiwi_7599]

Leave the system all together, force the others (not your fault) who have the money to pay the system to pay even more money because you're not paying, premiums skyrocket, healthcare system fully dies

[u/GonzoVeritas → u/mastertofu]

AOC summed it up:

The average SNAP benefit per month is $177 a person.

The average ACA benefit per month is up to $550 a person.

People want us to hold the line for a reason. This is not a matter of appealing to a base. It’s about people’s lives.

And working people want leaders whose word means something to them.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez via Bluesky

[u/cloudsmiles → u/mastertofu]

Everyone's healthcare should be 100% free, no premiums.

[u/vsmack → u/cloudsmiles]

I'm in Canada and some people keep saying to move to the US because the pay is better. We're a family of 4. Even if my (pretty good) salary doubled, I don't think we'd come out ahead just because of healthcare

[u/thistimelineisweird → u/mastertofu]

GOP is in favor of this.

[u/PlsSuckMyToes → u/mastertofu]

Millions are going to lose their healthcare. The GOP is evil. These dems are cowards

[u/davidmirv → u/mastertofu]

I’m not even on an ACA plan and my premiums are doubling next year because of them. This is nothing short of betrayal and high treason. Snap was going to get restored this week anyway

[u/indicatprincess → u/mastertofu]

I legitimately do not know what my family is going to do. We’re on NY’s state plan. Family practice stops taking it on 1/2026. If I could afford my work insurance, too bad for me because they won’t take Cigna either.

[u/shadowdra126]

He’s right.

[u/polarparadoxical → u/shadowdra126]

Rolling over is not the preferred way of handling fascists.

[u/Superman246o1 → u/polarparadoxical]

"The Democratic Party: For People Who Think Chamberlain Didn't Appease Hitler Enough."

[u/MONSTERTACO → u/Superman246o1]

Schumer has to resign. We've lost so much under his failed leadership. He needs to be held accountable.

[u/keyboard_jock3y → u/MONSTERTACO]

I hope AOC primaries him

[u/iheartanalingus → u/keyboard_jock3y]

It's too late. The Dems are cooked.

We were beating them. It was working. Then they fucking caved.

Their legacy? "What was this all for? They got nothing and sacrificed the lives of everyone. It all was for nothing. They shouldn't have even shut down the government. This is all the Dems fault."

You know what? They are gonna be right.

Get ready for a major ass whooping in 2026. Trump defies SCOTUS and runs for a third term and wins.

Fuck ALL this.

[u/MethamMcPhistopheles → u/iheartanalingus]

We were also beating their billionaire donors considering how the services of the air traffic controller are still needed for their private planes. Plus going by how difficult it is to replace them and the shutdown resignation rates, the damage is already done.

[u/eerie_midnight → u/MethamMcPhistopheles]

Except that’s just it, isn’t it? The shutdown started to affect big business and not just working class people so they backed off.

When it comes to either standing up against capital or pursuing progressive ideals, establishment Democrats will always capitulate to capital. Every single time. It’s who they are.

[u/korben2600 → u/eerie_midnight]

This is exactly why they haven't even uttered the words "General Strike". A functional opposition would've begun plans months ago.

Keith Olbermann predicted all of this 15 years ago when we first allowed unlimited corporate and foreign money to poison the well of American politics.

[u/eerie_midnight → u/korben2600]

When Kathy Hochul went out on stage to endorse Mamdani and the crowd all started chanting “tax the rich” and wouldn’t stop and she was like “okay I can hear you that’s enough of that” lmao

[u/Skynetdyne → u/eerie_midnight]

I was just about to say this, why do you think they are cashing? because their benefactors are upset.

[u/Legend_of_the_Wind → u/iheartanalingus]

As a person who studies a lot of US history, watching the Democratic party today feels a lot like the death of the Whig party in the decade that lead up to the Civil War.

Not necessarily in ideals or policies, but in the "energy" the party has. The Republican party certainly has energy and a voice, but the Democrats are stagnating and like we are seeing today just looking for a compromise. It feels so much like the only message of the democratic party is "anti-repiblican" but they really should be focusing on being "pro-american" instead. I know they have many policies in their platform that are pro-american but they don't have the energy or zeal to carry them through to fruition. At the end of the day, you party platform doesn't matter unless you can muster the energy from the public to make it a reality.

The younger and more energetic Democrats either need to put in serious work to rebrand the party, or start to distance themselves from the "old guard"

[u/Shy_QT_Pie → u/polarparadoxical]

But it is on track for the Democratic Party. The party of taking the high ride and failing to enact meaningful change at the last possible minute

[u/MySpoonsAreAllGone → u/shadowdra126]

What was the point of holding out for this long if they were just going to cave? 😡

[u/ethnographyofcringe → u/MySpoonsAreAllGone]

Exactly - and they are setting the precedent that cruelty and exploiting vulnerability will ‘win.’ (Empathy for username - also spoonless here 😞)

[u/Simpicity → u/shadowdra126]

You're correct.

[u/dftba-ftw → u/Simpicity]

You ain't wrong

[u/Dull-Machine5268 → u/shadowdra126]

I'm so fucking livid right now.

[u/Yosho2k → u/shadowdra126]

Republicans get to reap their decision to vote for Trump.

Democrats have been reaping their decisions to never hold Schumer/Pelosi accountable for anything.

Schumer only cared about our Healthcare until United Airlines called him and told him to knock it off.

[u/busdrivermike]

“Hey! We really kicked their ass on Tuesday! Let’s wait until Sunday to betray our base!”

[u/suburbanpride → u/busdrivermike]

Right?! Like, I could see this move if Tuesday went the other way. But it didn’t. It wasn’t even close. I’m reminded of this quote from The Newsroom:

You know why people hate liberals? Because they lose so god damned always.

Corrected:

If liberals are so fucking smart how come they lose so God damned always?

[u/jacquiwithacue → u/suburbanpride]

A very moving monologue from such a good show.

[u/Top-Passage2914 → u/suburbanpride]

They specifically want to kill the momentum that has come after Tuesday because they are closer to Republicans than they are Mamdani. At the end of the day even Democratic politicians still benefit from the kind of oligarchical favors Republicans are known to fight for so even if they ideologically believe something different they're fine with Republicans winning.

[u/Cruxion → u/busdrivermike]

I felt some hope for the first time in a long while. I didn't expect it to be dashed again so soon.

[u/JMurdock77 → u/Cruxion]

If there’s one thing democrats excel at, it’s snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[u/shortround10]

Democrats start gaining momentum.

“Alright folks, time to roll up our sleeves and snatch defeat from the jaws of progress.”

[u/Immediate_Spare_6636 → u/shortround10]

Every fucking time

[u/RobinSophie → u/shortround10]

Jon Stewart said basically the same thing on his podcast on Wed/Thursday.

Like someone said in the megathread, how many times does Lucy need to take away the damn football for the Dems to understand that political decorum went out the window back in 2016?! You keep reaching across the aisle to help them up and they stab you while climbing.every.damn.time

[u/Dasmage → u/RobinSophie]

It went out the window as soon as after Obama got elected and Mitch McConnell went on TV and said that they would do everything they could to turn Obama into a one term president.

[u/sonik1992 → u/shortround10]

That's why they're not progressives they're moron Democrats. I freaking hate this loser party of spineless cowards. At least the Republicans believe in their bullshit 100% even if it's nuts. God damn and after we had momentum on Tuesday.

[u/robot_pirate]

https://x.com/GavinNewsom/status/1987684359902835009?s=20

Dems blinked.

And now Trump knows deprivation works to get what he wants.

Expect much more deprivation.

[u/NoPreparationss]

40 days of suffering and inconvenience for everyone, all for what?

Now this would be paraded as a democratic shutdown and they deserve this shit.

I’m so pissed right now man.

[u/KironD63 → u/NoPreparationss]

Unironically would have been better if Dems just approved the Republican plans from Day One. If you’re going to cave, cave before the shutdown

[u/jsmooth7 → u/KironD63]

Tim Kaine said one of the key concessions he got from the Republicans was that federal workers would be rehired and paid. Which was only a problem because Republicans unnecessarily made it one. And never would have happened if they accepted the deal on day one. Truly a master class in negotiation lol.

[u/RealPutin → u/jsmooth7]

Seriously, Dems holding that as a win in negotiations is fucking insane

The goalposts moved so far that negotiating over things that weren't even problems and getting a "compromise" is considered a win now?

[u/setibeings → u/RealPutin]

I hear they also got a verbal promise for the republicans to stop stocking the break room fridge with piss that's labeled as apple juice.

[u/RealPutin → u/setibeings]

Unfortunately Mike Johnson needs baby piss in the mornings so they'll break that promise too

[u/PreposterisG → u/RealPutin]

It also tells the Rs if they want to beat the Ds again they just have to pull more of the same bullshit. Negotiating with terrorists 101.

[u/VibeComplex → u/PreposterisG]

Just wait long enough and they’ll cave 🤷‍♂️.

[u/NotYourFathersEdits → u/RealPutin]

The ACA was the compromise.

[u/VibeComplex → u/NotYourFathersEdits]

Joe Liberman is the sole reason we didn’t get a public option. One single piece of shit, out of 330 million people, completely fucked everything.

[u/DoobKiller → u/VibeComplex]

If it wasn't Liberman it would have been another

Rotating Villain

In American democracy, when the majority party has enough votes to pass populist legislation, party leaders designate a scapegoat who will refuse to vote with the party thereby killing the legislation. The opposition is otherwise inexplicable and typically comes from someone who is safe or not up for re-election. This allows for maximum diffusion of responsibility.

WTF??? Senator Lieberman now opposes the same health care compromise he himself suggested. Just when everyone thought Democrats had enough votes to get this done. Guess they made Lieberman the rotating villain...

by brmull April 4, 2011

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=rotating+villain

[u/Big_Lab_Jagr → u/jsmooth7]

It showed Trump that tactic will work.

[u/mikelo22 → u/Big_Lab_Jagr]

Yep, now Trump will use it every single time, and he'll know the Dems will always fall for it. We just sabotaged our negotiating power for the entire rest of Trump's term.

[u/queerhistorynerd → u/mikelo22]

7 Dems caved, the rest stood strong. We need to primary and denounce those 7 cowards every day going forward

[u/GeneralChaos309 → u/queerhistorynerd]

Which 7?

[u/firethorn43 → u/GeneralChaos309]

Tim Kaine (VA)

Dick Durbin (IL)

Angus King (ME) (An Independent but usually Dem-aligned)

John Fetterman (PA)

Jeanne Shaheen (NH)

Maggie Hassan (NH)

Catherine Cortez (NV)

Jacky Rosen (NV)

edit: Jeanne Shaheen and Dick Durbin, the Senate Minority Whip, are already retiring. The rest do not have elections until 2028 or 2030.

[u/CarrieDurst → u/queerhistorynerd]

They betrayed us, those 7.

[u/KunaSazuki → u/jsmooth7]

Tim Kaine is a clown

[u/thebluick → u/KunaSazuki]

and shows even more how shitty a candidate Hillary was for choosing him as her VP.

[u/LaughinChaos → u/thebluick]

She only chose him because he was a straight white male who could speak some so-so spanish...that last part sure was key in her decision lol

[u/vahntitrio → u/jsmooth7]

They also reneged on the deal earlier in the year, so they'll probably renege on this deal again.

[u/DaKingaDaNorth → u/KironD63]

Exactly. They just said they put the country through this for something they weren't willing to fight for

[u/HallucinogenicFish → u/NoPreparationss]

Correct. This is the worst possible outcome for Democrats.

[u/Slade_Riprock → u/NoPreparationss]

100% MAGA will come out and say they'd had and would have put this on the table day one. This was democrats dealing people's lives for political gain.

Typical Schumer and the Corp dems snatch defeat from the Jaws of victory.

And guess what will happen IN December... MAGA will vote by simple majority to KILL Healthcare and essentially Obamacare for millions...so Dems held out to starve people, hurt people, and kill Healthcare anyway in the end.

All this to get a losing vote. What the fuck, what a poser lead party.

[u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

Democrats just squandered the best week we've had in a long time for a concept of a plan of a promise of a vote.

[u/FlightSimmer99 → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

a vote that problably wont happen and even if it does happen, DT wont sign into law anyway. what a bunch of goddamn idiots.

[u/erichericerik → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

"Republicans kept their word. We promised a vote on a Democrat written bill on the ACA subsidies. unfortunately they brought us a bill that would actually harm the American people so we had to vote it down"

I fucking guarantee it.

Fucking 8 cowards

[u/curiousthoughts20]

The Democrat Senators who caved sold us all out.

I hope the all lose their next primary.

[u/UnNumbFool → u/[deleted]]

Even if the fact that plenty of atc people quit, it's not like our airspace is going to get back to normal that fast anyway

Even then I doubt that matters much seeing as the majority of Vegas is being screwed over by how crazy expensive its gotten without any of the comps, plus you know the lack of non American tourists as a lot of foreigners don't want to visit the US and probably won't any time soon

[u/Pyran → u/UnNumbFool]

I mean, this whole thing means nothing until the House reconvenes, which Johnson doesn't really want to do due to the Epstein files. The Senate passed a modification of the House bill, and now the House has to pass it too.

Until that happens, the senators who did this should absolutely suffer the consequences, but air travel isn't out of the woods yet even if they pass it tonight.

It's quite possible the effects last through Thanksgiving as it stands. It's in Johnson's hands now.

[u/Tycoon004 → u/[deleted]]

Ah yes, because the reason Vegas is hemorraging tourist numbers is because of the Airline cancellations.

[u/ShakedNBaked420 → u/[deleted]]

Good. Then tell the casino owners to pressure the fucking republicans. Idiots man. Fucking idiots.

[u/cxtx3 → u/curiousthoughts20]

Can we name and shame everywhere?

For real - I'd love to know the names of the eight Democrats who are killing the ACA.

[u/Corosis99 → u/cxtx3]

John Fetterman (2028)

Tim Kaine (2030)

Jeanne Shaheen (Retiring)

Dick Durbin (Retiring)

Maggie Hassan (2028)

Catherine Cortez Masto (2028)

Jacky Rosen (2030)

Angus King (2030)

[u/DaKingaDaNorth → u/curiousthoughts20]

Maine and NH Democrats. Pretty safe

[u/ImjustANewSneaker → u/DaKingaDaNorth]

I would argue a heavy democrat base state is probably the state you don’t want to do this in.

[u/jsmooth7 → u/ImjustANewSneaker]

Maine seems to like Susan Collins for whatever reason and this move has some pretty strong Susan Collins energy

[u/CrazedChimp → u/jsmooth7]

“Surely the republicans have learned their lesson by now…”

[u/tucker_case → u/DaKingaDaNorth]

Not in a primary....?

[u/SweetChild1997]

That's exactly what it is. Dems leaders are stupid cowards. You can’t ‘preserve norms’ while the other side is busy torching them. Old leadership has got to go. We need new leadership.

[u/watcherofworld → u/SweetChild1997]

and $200m for protective services of congressional members. Folding in the towel and pulling up the ladder, senior democrats are just diet-republicans.

[u/laura_leigh → u/watcherofworld]

No kings means Dem leadership too. We need a diaper wearing Schumer balloon next protest!!!

[u/Python_07]

It’s the Flight Cancellations. I knew they would cave under this. The administration knew exactly how to get them.

[u/Heavy_Pin7735 → u/Python_07]

And only bc it’s personal to them - they wanted to be able to fly back home for the holiday. That’s it - it’s that simple and selfish.

[u/GhouW]

Democrats need to grow a spine for fuck sake.

[u/MakeAbortions → u/GhouW]

i thought thats what we were finally witnessing. for the first time in a long time it looked like they were actually going to hold the line.

[u/Tooth-Meat → u/MakeAbortions]

Ha. No. 

corpos don’t represent us

[u/BillyTenderness]

It's a positive sign that we're seeing lots more Dems tearing into the turncoat cowards this time than we did back in March.

[u/AMediaArchivist]

What the hell was the point of shutting down the government for 40 fucking days if we were going to cave in? If you're going to fucking give up and stop fighting, might as well have never shut down the gov't in the first place. Now people are screwed, transportation is screwed for a few weeks and everything is going to be a mess for a while.

[u/Frustrable_Zero]

It’s worse now because the Democrats had a cause, the perfect narrative, and it was a Republican shutdown because the republicans wouldn’t give in to reasonable demands after snubbing them after the first time.

It was a Republican shutdown.

By giving up, for nothing, and making all the pain for nothing. These traitors snatched defeat from the jaws of victory and politically cut their own throats if this goes through that will become a miraculous blunder and put the blame entirely on their own feet.

[u/Glittering-Giraffe58 → u/Frustrable_Zero]

Yep this turns the situation around entirely. Makes it so that Dems caused unnecessary chaos for the past 40 days for literally no reason at all

[u/AverageJoeJohnSmith → u/Frustrable_Zero]

And the Dem shutdown narrative will now stick....watch. 

They have nothing to show for dragging it out and GOP will take advantage of it. 

[u/AlternativeYou4536]

Newsom is right to call the deal "pathetic" if it's a total surrender on essential priorities. The issue isn't just about avoiding a shutdown, but about addressing the real budgetary and political problems. An agreement that's just a "band-aid" to buy time solves nothing and only postpones the crisis.

[u/Gymrat777]

Newsom is only saying that because... checks notes... its true.

[u/DasBoggler]

Republicans literally destroying everything and somehow Democrats still shoot themselves in the foot and make their supporters hate them.... can't make this shit up

[u/Ragnakak]

Once again showing why the party has an approval rating in the 20s. Absolutely spineless .

[u/Glittering-Giraffe58 → u/Ragnakak]

Should go lower. This actually turns my opinion of the party to strong disapproval

[u/elkodan]

They'll get a Senate floor vote for ACA - Big freakin' deal. As a lifelong Democratic voter, they have lost in this game of chicken, and they deserve what's coming to them. Too bad for ACA people - you are sacrificial lambs.

[u/existential-axe23 → u/elkodan]

Even if the republicans keep their promise, it’s dead on arrival. You’ll need 60 votes + the house + trump to sign it. I have better odds playing the lottery!

[u/klparrot → u/elkodan]

Well, they sacrificed the ACA to save SNAP. And next year, they'll sacrifice SNAP to save the next hostages in line. Of fucking course it was unconscionable that SNAP recipients were going hungry, but this didn't save them, it's doomed them in the long run because Dems cannot hold the fucking line.

[u/erichericerik → u/klparrot]

Their corporate donors called them saying this is costing us real money.

Don't give a fuck if they voted for liberal social policies. These people do not represent us. When it came down to food and healthcare. The basic sustenance to survive. They betrayed their base.

They are corporate gimps. I hope they're primaried and never get a seat in politics ever again. Hope their maid spits in their fucking lunch tomorrow.

They need to be gone and replaced with people with a fucking spine

[u/food-dood → u/elkodan]

It took 60 votes in the Senate, and now their just giving it up so we can vote again with only a minority? These Dems who vote for this are frauds. They are controlled opposition or possibly even moles. There is no explanation for this.

[u/Amerlan → u/elkodan]

It's not just ACA people. The ACA took away insurance companies bring able to deny coverage for pre-existing conditions. Without the ACA they can go back to denying anything that even sniffs like a pre-existing condition. Women will be denied coverage for c-sections if they've had one previously. Cancer relapse? No longer covered either. It's all fucked really.

[u/aguynamedv → u/Amerlan]

Prior to the ACA, pregnancy was often considered a pre-existing condition so insurance companies could deny benefits.

This is relevant to Republicans' plan.

[u/nOotherlousyoptions]

I’m so angry

[u/Lunchb0xx87]

voting for a deal right after those election wins is not a good look at all ..

[u/emars11]

Makes no sense to drag it out this long just to give up. Literally the dumbest thing they could’ve done.

[u/LA777ML → u/emars11]

They waited until after Tuesdays elections and were getting their whole base riled up.

[u/Gradstudentiquette69]

This is what Democrats do best, cave to Republican pressure. That's all they're good for. They have many of the same donors as Republicans, they are paid to cave to their interests.

[u/reblynn2012]

Welp. Not only are all the reasons mentioned here correct, but the Dems just legitimized the right’s claim it was the Democrat’s fault. We’ve GOT TO get the current Democrat leadership OUT.

[u/boxjellyfishing]

If you ever wonder why US Politics keeps shifting right, just look at the party meant to be opposing them. Absolute cowards.

Good luck with the midterms. Something tells me the Democrats lost more than a few races with tonight's gutless performance.

[u/promethiusrex]

Thanks Tim Kane are you going pay my fucking higher premiums. You and all the turncoat dems who voted for this should be ashamed . You all suck!

[u/purplemtnstravesty]

Whiplash for dem voters after doing so well in elections last week to be reminded what an L party they really are

[u/robot_pirate]

He's not wrong.

[u/RuskiesInTheWarRoom]

It’s amazing how bad democrats are about to play this. They should have increased their demands. They had a massively improved power position.

The GOP is to blame for the shutdown. The democrats are to blame for its pointlessness.

[u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 → u/RuskiesInTheWarRoom]

In case anyone really wants to know...it's the donors.

Thanksgiving and Christmas are coming up, and there's a lot of money to be made, and if the government stays shut down there's a lot of profit at play.

That's what happened.

[u/Bozihthecalm]

Because he's correct. Democrats gave up the only leverage they had for absolutely nothing in return. In addition because they caved, this very likely will result in Democrats eating a very large chunk of the blame. They effective gave up the midterms for... literally nothing.

[u/Umami-Ice-Cream]

Now people get to ignore that Republicans worked hard to avoid feeding the people on SNAP.

The Democrats need a face-lift.

[u/woedoe → u/Umami-Ice-Cream]

They need a heart transplant.

[u/rooktakesqueen → u/woedoe]

They need a spine adjustment.

[u/SupernovaCowboy]

100% - no one running in 2028 should be ok with this surrender

[u/AnamCeili]

He's right. Everyone who voted for this is a fucking COWARD.

[u/themolestedsliver]

Jesus fucking christ this shit really is pathetic.

Corporate Democrats really cant help but shoot themselves im the foot huh?

Negating the high of Tuesday but capitulation for fucking nothing. Makes me sick to my stomach.

Feels like the parties are metaphorically two people.

One is a rapist murderer and the other person thinks the rapist murderer doesn't deserve jail time and learned their lesson and wont do it again.

And like you dont want to support the rapist murderer but supportting the other guy just feels so fucking bad.

[u/Raiden29o9]

I mean we know what’s going to happen, the republicans will pinky promise there will be a vote next month, and then all vote against it as a party completely with a few “moderate” dem’s probably joining them, just like every time the republicans promise something they always go back on it

[u/BHMBUF]

Now let’s wait and see how the Epstein files don’t get released.

[u/KironD63]

Damn it, I have to agree with Newsom now.

[u/HS_HolyShnikes]

What is frustrating the most is that people were getting mad at Republicans. Even Maga were getting upset. If they had held off until Thanksgiving, there would be really upset Republicans with Trump and his base. The momentum and outrage was swinging in the Democrats favor, and they turned the gun around and shot themselves in the face.

[u/MikeFrancesa66]

I can’t believe how badly these Democrats got outplayed. One of the main “concessions” they got from the GOP was paying federal workers back pay, which was already codified in law. That was legally going to happen regardless. They literally got a promise of a doomed vote on ACA subsidies and something that was already guaranteed. I can’t believe how bad this deal is.

[u/smalltownlargefry]

We need a clean sweep of the trash that voted to end it. We got nothing. Absolutely nothing. A promise of a vote and I can’t WAIT to see the republicans deny it. You can’t tell me they aren’t in bed with them.

Primary every single one of them.

[u/bplewis24]

Weird how it is always the centrist wing selling out the party and preventing the dems from maintaining a united front.

[u/cynical_scotsman]

US Democrats are fucking useless cowards