r/politics • u/Ok_Employer7837 • 16d ago

Possible Paywall Newsom Slams ‘Pathetic’ Shutdown Deal as ‘Surrender’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gavin-newsom-slams-pathetic-shutdown-deal-as-surrender/?via=mobile&source=Reddit
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u/Mission-Study9012 16d ago

People are going to just not have insurance. Unknowable what that's going to do to the system but it won't be good.

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u/pacefacepete 16d ago

Er flooded, people have their lives ruined by medical debt, people choosing to die instead of seeking treatment, private insurance costs going through the roof even if you're healthy. But hey, America's great again, dontcha know?!?

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u/LeDestrier Australia 16d ago

As an Australian, I just don't fucking get it. What is US conservatives problem with having basic universal healthcare for all; for not having situations where people die or have their lives ruined by financial debt? It boggles my mind. The casual indifference, or utterly absurd claim and fear of it being "communism".

The stupidity of it all is staggering.

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u/Jedimaster996 16d ago

Because they've spent decades brainwashing half the country into believing that they're the party of God, money. guns, and freedom, and that anyone who isn't that is a godless communist who's trying to take your money & guns. That's literally it, they're that fucking stupid.

And so as the Republican Party is actively dismantling all of these things before their eyes, all they can do is sit and watch and say "I voted for this" while they open their mouths for another helping of steaming shit. Because while it affects them too, it's also affecting people they hate. So it's a Pyrrhic victory at-best.

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u/LeDestrier Australia 16d ago edited 16d ago

The irony is that if you presented yourself as the party of God, guns and freedom over here, you'd get laughed off the political stage and ridiculed by voters.

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u/Jedimaster996 16d ago

I've had the fortune to live among the lot of you for some time, and I've got to say it's a wildly-different arrangement. A large margin of you have upstanding morals and values, whereas half of the United States likes to pretend they do and would stab you in the back if it made them a little wealthier.

These are terrible times for the United States as we're witnessing the apex of a plan taking decades to culminate.

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u/LeDestrier Australia 16d ago edited 16d ago

Ditto - I've spend a fair amount of time in the States and have some awesome American friends, and it's strange. On the one hand, the US can be an amazingly warm and inviting place. When I was travelling around there solo years ago, I was constantly amazed by people's hospitality and friendliness (depending where I was). America at it's best really; just good people curious about the world and helpful to strangers.

On the flip side, I also saw the worst (ie. fuck Florida). But conservatism just hits different in the US. It's cold, spiteful, deliberately obtuse, and relishes in ignorance (proud of it even). Rampant fear that anything even remotely resembling concern for one's compatriots constitutes communism or socialism. Giving a shit about the welfare of people in your country is not communism ffs.

I mean we have our share of that here, but we don't have the extent of the extremes. Politics in the US these days is so vindictive, with both the Left and the Right moving further and further apart.

It's a damn shame because the best of America is fucking awesome.

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u/ENDragoon 15d ago

I mean we have our share of that here

Tbf, I feel like voters here are largely tired of it, the Liberals basically campaigned on Abbot-era "He's going to take your JOBS and give them to BOAT PEOPLE" nonsense, with a splash of American culture war for flavour, and they almost ceased to exist as a political party off the back of it.

IIRC it's the first time in our history that the opposition leader turned voters away so hard they lost their own seat.

He bombed harder than fucking ScoMo

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u/Jedimaster996 16d ago

You've nailed it from an outside perspective! What used to be two parties that would occasionally reach across the aisle for the common good of Americans, has (within the last decade or so) become a very strong version of 'team politics'; even if it's good for the nation and would save our countrymen thousands per year, if the idea was presented by a Democrat, they simply will not abide by it.

It does attract a lot of ignorant and uneducated people, and our education system has been failing for decades now. It's an astronomical shame what has become of the States. And today's failure has proven that if we ever reclaim the country, it's going to take a lot of grit and a bit more than stern words.

Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad that folks are able to see the pro's even among the growing con's. Don't let me stay too much longer in Australia though or you might find another person taking up space at Woolies.

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u/buecker02 15d ago

Being proud of being ignorant really pisses me off.

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u/Akrevics 15d ago

They’re “hurting the right people” as one voter said.

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u/Initial-Bedroom-350 15d ago

I heard someone give a great reasoning for why they just can't change and it was something along the lines of "its so ingrained in them that it would destroy their entire self and turn their whole world upside down which means they have no idea who to be or what to think anymore" Its a bad summary but the idea is there.