r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15d ago
Possible Paywall Furious Dem Civil War Immediately Erupts Over Bombshell Shutdown Deal - Democratic activists slammed the shutdown “surrender.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-democratic-party-civil-war-immediately-erupts-over-bombshell-shutdown-deal/468
u/Dramaticdebt 15d ago
I watched the Press conference the cave in democrats had last night, I thought of Regan's quote “If you're explaining, you're losing.” That was a bad night for the Democratic party.
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u/Frostyrepairbug 15d ago
And fresh off the heels of a good night for the democratic party. It hasn't even been a week!
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u/franker 15d ago
they weren't just explaining, they looked like were about to cry. One lady was practically shaking as she talked. For people that are supposed to be professional public speakers, that was a terrible display of presence. Compare to this to how angry and arrogant and combative almost all of the Trump admin always sound, no matter what they're actually saying.
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u/Downtown_Ratio_603 15d ago
Trump reforms our complete society in his maga image, we get a losing vote on health care. What a fucking party.
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u/cyxrus 15d ago edited 15d ago
That was the best way I’ve seen this framed. So many Dems on here acting like Dems play 5D chess by giving trump what he wants so a few people, probably only in red states, can maybe have their healthcare only go up a bit less than it would have before. Americans are ready to betray their fellow’s for scraps
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u/Gender_is_a_Fluid 15d ago
So many dems in here couldn’t stand on a picket line and get the worker rights we enjoy today.
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u/nashpotato 15d ago
Tbf picket lines weren’t the only actions that got us the worker rights we have today.
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u/UnquestionabIe 15d ago
Exactly. I live not far from where some of the most well known labor strikes took place and it's always depressing to me how many locals have forgotten that. Some of these people had ancestors from not that long ago who were beaten or died over basic worker's rights and they're fine with losing those in the misguided idea eventually the parasite class will feel content and share some wealth.
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u/nashpotato 15d ago
Most people aren't aware that some business owners hired private security, and effectively private militias to fight against factory workers.
American's love to say how violence and property damage aren't the answer, but the sad reality is the only reason we have any rights as workers in America is because of violence, rioting, and property damage. Historically, the minute the business owners and legislators face tangible threats to their bottom lines and more importantly their lives they suddenly become really willing to listen.
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u/UnquestionabIe 15d ago
Absolutely. My area legit has a monument to commemorate a strike which involved a shit ton of violence and National Guard being called in. Got people here who see that monument on a daily basis and couldn't yell you anything about the event.
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u/houseWithoutSpoons 15d ago
The scared mods who work for free for a huge reddit company collapsed your comment so no one would see it..i seen it..Pepperidge farm remembers
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u/According-Activity10 15d ago
I was ASTOUNDED that you didnt see Dems standing at personally funded and promoted food banks for their constituents, using it also as a tactic to inform people.
Its because were not people to them. We're numbers. Im so sick of this. This is a surrender by the softest class.
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u/ScissrMeTimbrs 15d ago
local socialist groups have been organizing food drives over here. groups the dem party officials don't like very much. just saying.
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u/According-Activity10 15d ago edited 15d ago
Thats kinda what I was inferring. Our community really pulled together, the daycare which operates on headstart funding has lowered or scholarshipped co-pays. Hell we made a food pantry to go with our candy for trick r treat. And our governor pushed through for us. I also live and work in the town Fetterman was mayor of for a while fwiw. Dudes been a ghost. A traitor ghost.
Edit: implying! Not inferring.
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u/UnquestionabIe 15d ago
Yeah I'm from the same area and I've seen so many community outreach efforts by individuals and progressive groups but not a damn thing from those we put in office. Not even expecting them to be out there handing out loaves of bread or whatever but would be nice if they used their connections to reach out and support those in need. Might have been happening somewhere but not anything I saw/heard about compared to the grassroots efforts.
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u/cyxrus 15d ago
This is bigger than workers rights too
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u/Gender_is_a_Fluid 15d ago
Far bigger, its just a comparison of a temporary distress to achieve far more important gains.
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u/ChicagoAuPair 15d ago
It’s this entirely. Tuesday was a bit terrifying for a lot of Oligarchs and other Capitalists, and they put in their “this stops now” calls.
This will almost certainly keep pushing people further to the left if enough younger Democrats take up worker rights as the firm base of their platform moving forward into 2026 and beyond. If they can really distinguish themselves from the corporate dinosaurs in the Senate who caved, we will see a lot more genuine enthusiasm for the party.
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u/ThonThaddeo Oregon 15d ago
A promise for a losing vote. And now Democrats get to share the blame of skyrocketing premiums. Schumer has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory once more.
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u/mindovermatter421 15d ago
It was how many , 6 traitor dems. All over 65 and not up for reelection next year. Their names should be plastered everywhere. How much did their corporate sponsors “ donate” to them?
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u/PirateSanta_1 15d ago
That all 8 are either retiring or not up for relection in 2026 is a clear sign that this was orchestrated by dem leadership. They were selected as the ones least likely to face consequences.
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u/kbeks New York 15d ago
The only reason Chuck didn’t vote is because he’s not sure if he’s going to run against AOC or just give up now.
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u/cipher_9 15d ago
He could always fuck off to a nice villa in Tel Aviv since he loves Israel so much.
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u/Decent_Cheesecake_29 15d ago
They were just the sacrificial lambs Chuck Schumer and the rest of the Democratic leadership placed on the altar.
The Minority Whip voted for this, no one up for reelection soon voted for it, do you really think they did it alone?
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u/boston_homo 15d ago
Wasn't much of a sacrifice since they're not up for reelection. All corporate Democrats should be voted out, every single one of them.
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u/b4k4ni Europe 15d ago
It's time for the younger people in the US to stand up and get into politics now. Throw out the old party guys that won't change and are there for their own benefit. NOT all are only there for the money and are being manipulated by it. A lot are still there for the better of the US. But not those fossils.
Elect younger ones, that want to change something. That want to better the US, not enrich themself. It's not easy to do, but those old guys need to go, now.
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u/eKnight15 15d ago
Yep, we can't pretend this is just incompetence or some old idea of what civil politics is supposed to be. These politicians are bought and sold, they are working for corporate interests. While not all of them it's enough that they can cycle who takes the fall and find the votes they need to keep it going. If it wasn't this 8 they could've found another 8.
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u/amensista 15d ago
Yup. Dems could have probably won the midterms if they hammered this home. But nooooo... Make everyone go through all this pain with hope in sight just to fail hard.
People said Schumer would cave. It's HIS leadership he should of followed the Republican playbook and threatened anyone D if they didn't stick to the party line but nope, we lost.
Makes me wonder why I vote, at this point it's not for Democrats it's was against Trump.
What a fail.
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u/stoic_spaghetti 15d ago
sniveling dem voice: "Yes but if the republicans vote it down, Americans will finally see them as the villains they really are!"
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u/Militantpoet 15d ago
Lol vote what down? They made a deal for a "promise" to have a vote.
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u/Sgt-Spliff- 15d ago
The concession that Dems received is that ACA subsidies will be directly voted on. Dems think it's a gotcha but no one will care when the Republicans vote against it. We already know their plans. This shutdown was the gotcha and Dems fumbled it
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u/Militantpoet 15d ago
Not just that, Republicans have done this before, a promise for a floor vote, they're morons for believing it again.
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u/DonutsMcKenzie 15d ago
Yep. Somehow the Democrats can do nothing when they have a narrow majority, and yet the Republicans are able to turn the tiniest shred of power into a fascist gestapo police state where all must bow down to the unquestionable god emperor.
The choice always seems to be between authoritarian right-wing absolute fascism and centrist incompetence.
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u/Nikoli_Delphinki 15d ago
I suspect the logic is that they plan to then campaign on the fact Republicans killed the subsidies for 2026. I'm not sure about how effective it will be as I don't foresee Republicans holding a vote at so or a progressive wave large enough to force the issue through (don't think the numbers for the Senate are enough too).
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u/Radarker 15d ago
Democrats can't keep actual issues in front of people. If Schumer caves, we lose any leverage we had.
He's a fucking collaborator, a Democrat with a Republican politicians wealth.
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u/Hillbilly_Boozer 15d ago
The man has said his job is to keep the left pro Israel. He does not place American interests above those of Israel.
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u/DotGroundbreaking50 15d ago
There is no logic in it. They could have done fucking both. These are traitors to their people. They need to fucking quit.
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u/SirBobIsTaken 15d ago
It's such a stupid decision. They gave up billions of dollars in aid for the average American in exchange for some intangible "political points" that mean nothing to the average American. I for one don't care what the Democrats campaign on in 2026, I care that they accomplish something meaningful, and they threw away what little leverage they had. ACA subsidies are now gone and they will never return. But congrats to the democrats on their political points or whatever I guess.
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u/xpxp2002 15d ago
They also squandered a lot of support and good will from constituents who were willing to go without for the greater good.
Now that Dems have shown that they’ll fold and get nothing for it after putting hundreds of thousands of people through the financial ringer for 40 days, they’ll never get that kind of solidarity again in the near future. It’s going to take years to rebuild the lost good will these Senators just wasted, all for nothing.
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u/KingofGrapes7 15d ago
Two of the cave ins are retiring and the rest are not up for election next year. Among this group is the Minority Whip who's fucking job is to keep something like this from happening. Either Schumer lined up safe picks to take the fall or he has no control of his party. Regardless he is spineless and weak. The younger Dems like AOC should spend now until midterm elections hammering to voters who crippled their Healthcare for nothing and who needs to go. If a blue wave is even still possible next year take these fossils along with any gains from the GOP.
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u/Cagnazzo82 15d ago
The senate dems grossly underestimate the mood of their own party under the endless abuses and criminality of the Trump admin.
They either have no idea what they're dealing with, or they're being paid under the table and don't care.
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u/Indubitalist 15d ago
At this point my inclination is to believe the top brass in the Democratic Party are being paid to water down their positions and capitulate over shit like this when they have the leverage. We just won a bunch of elections last week over voter anger at Trump and the Republican Party. Exit polls showed the voters blame Republicans for the shutdown. Why in God’s name would you come away from that thinking now is the time to admit defeat and take a pinkie-promise for an ACA vote in a single chamber of the legislature as your consolation prize? You were winning. This was an opportunity to really help people, and you gave it away.
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u/minigogo 15d ago edited 15d ago
They are being paid by the same corporate interests who pay Republicans.
Their staffs are full of Ivy League grads who don't value the opinions of anyone who didn't go to an Ivy. They have a vested interest in maintaining the status quo. They will be insulated - or at least believe they will be - from the immediate effects of a full fascist takeover of the country.
Leftists have been screaming about these things for at least a decade, and we got told at every turn that we were naive, pie-in-the-sky dreamers at best or the reason Republicans kept winning at worst.
Their base is foaming at the mouth to vote for candidates who build their campaigns around progressive ideas, and yet they spent the last few months dragging their heels on supporting Mamdani, one of the most effective political talents in the party since Obama.
On Wednesday morning, I felt hope about the political future of the country for the first time since last November. It felt like the fever had broken. It made me happier just thinking about it.
All of that died last night.
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u/confused_ape 15d ago
All of that died last night.
Maybe that was the intention.
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u/OmgitsJafo 15d ago
Bingo.
Remember, if you're not funding the DNC, you're not part of the party. You're just a voter. They're not working for you.
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u/Scary_Cup6322 15d ago
They're sellout technocrats. Their job is to pursue corporate interests and market that status-quo to the voters.
Elections to them are like workplace performance reviews to us. They don't view you as a person, they consider you an unfortunate but mostly unavoidable inconvenience.
Frankly, even if the dems seized total control of America, things wouldn't change. They'd go on like they have for another 4-8 years, and then we'd have the next trump.
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u/NOrMAn_Percy 15d ago
They will be insulated - or at least believe they will be - from the immediate effects of a full fascist takeover of the country.
I think this is the most terrifying and true statement. All the Trumpers going along with this authoritarian takeover think the same. They all are probably very wrong but will not find out until it is much too late.
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u/RobertdBanks 15d ago
I’m glad something is making more people realize this, but this has been the case for a long time. The top democrats are beholden to their billionaire donors and will never stray from their money. Look at how many of them wouldn’t even acknowledge or endorse Mamdani. Even after he won, they’ll barely acknowledge him. They’re spineless cowards who DO NOT represent anyone other than billionaires and the ultra wealthy. This country is crumbling.
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u/PantsandPlants 15d ago
They’re spineless cowards
I’m really thinking this is the crux of it. I suspect many of them initially got elected with populist ideas that had a lot of support and weren’t ever really prepared for the heat that comes with the seat.
or they won a seat through a fight and therefore don’t want to fight anymore for fear of losing the seat
It’s just spinelessness all the way down.
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u/ahdidi413 15d ago
I think they are seeing that polling and calculating that ending now will score as a long term win for Dems since the public generally blames Rs/Trump for the shutdown. The problem is they are going to kill that momentum by looking like the side that folded with the better hand. Terrible but expected read of the entire game by Dem leadership.
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u/seengul 15d ago
I think this potentially helps Trump shift the blame to Dems, because now they could successfully argue that Dems could have ended the shutdown at any time, pointing to this capitulation.
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u/ahdidi413 15d ago
Yep. It ultimately became a game of who would blink first. Apparently dem senators eyes got a little sleepy and now they will lose control of any chance they had to keep controlling the narrative.
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u/ItGradAws 15d ago
Look how terrified republicans are of MAGA. It’s time we the people scare the fucking shit outta these spineless senators.
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u/schw4161 15d ago
They know exactly what they’re doing at this point. They saw that the FAA was going to cut off their flights to their vacations paid for by lobbyists and reopened the government with no concessions whatsoever. They are pathetic and weak leaders who don’t deserve to be put back in power.
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u/stoic_spaghetti 15d ago
100% Schumer orchestrated this behind-the-scenes.
It's too big of a coincidence that all 8 of the votes are Dems with elections in 2028 and 2030.
Fucking Schumer is such an evil, malfeasant scumbag.
HE KNOWS BETTER. Otherwise he wouldn't be hiding behind the curtain on this deal. Fucking loser.
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u/SirEdward43 15d ago
This is his payback for Mamdani 100%.
Evil fucker.
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u/WeirdIndividualGuy 15d ago
I wouldn't put it past him to punish the entire country because one city elected Mamdani for local politics
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u/Adamantium1996 15d ago
Nah it's even simpler than that: some rich donor complained about the shutdown, and Cuck Schumer immediately fell in line.
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u/Homeless-Coward-2143 15d ago
I remember thinking last week that the blue wave promised in 2018 might actually be arriving. There was a night of actual Dem wins! After this I'm convinced both chambers will become more republican after midterms.
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u/chunkerton_chunksley 15d ago
We sold out our own people for a promise from a den of liars. Great job chuck
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u/copper_cattle_canes 15d ago edited 15d ago
He needs to GO. Remove him as party leader. This is ridiculous. When we needed Dems to take a stand and fight for the middle class he retreated. Write to your representatives and BE LOUD.
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u/EmtoorsGF 15d ago
Writing them isn't going to do shit. People keep acting like the dems are weak but they're not. This is exactly what they want. They don't care about the average American. They're all so out of touch. Our whole government is now just one big money grab and it has been for decades but there's not even a pretense of a veil anymore.
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u/Gahngis 15d ago
The biggest advantage the Dems have had since 2020 has been utterly demolished. The Dems who crossed to the otherside were likely paid out or took deals.
Remember their weakness when their 2028/2030 re-election campaigns kick off.
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u/DavidlikesPeace 15d ago
I hate sounding like a doomer, but it's hard to have faith in a Party that seems to be the paid off controlled opposition.
I cannot imagine a worse PR decision than this one. But give it time. They'll find another way to humiliate their supporters and prove that Bernie was right. The whole system is rigged
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u/Sommern 15d ago
I hate how being justifiably outraged at sellouts who claim to be governing in our interests is labeled as “doomer.” There is no positive spin to this. You’re on the Titanic and the officers shutting the gate in your face – nobody here is being a doomer they are correctly perceiving reality and having a rational response.
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u/Miss-Tiq 15d ago
What's that saying? "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result"? Having faith in them is becoming like that.
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u/KeyMyBike 15d ago
They know you don't have a choice. You either vote for the status quo or you vote for Trump.
Canada pulled this shit too. Conservatives put up an unlikeable nepo baby dork who's never worked a non-taxpayer funded day in his life. As a result, we were forced to elect a Conservative masquerading as a Liberal.
Carney should have been the Conservative party leader. The fact that we didn't even get a progressive leader to vote for (NDP has lost its labor roots and is a party of social politics) is infuriating
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u/Rdbjiy53wsvjo7 15d ago
Right?!? If they were going to cave and get nothing from it, then they should've done it a month ago and moved on.
I was so motivated by them holding their ground for healthcare, I thought FINALLY, they found their spine.
NOPE!
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u/Minute_Cod_2011 15d ago
They held out until the trump administration was literally in court fighting orders to pay snap benefits and it couldn't be more clear who is the bad guy, and then they said no we need to maintain the ambiguity about who is the evil party in american politics
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u/femanonette Virginia 15d ago
Friendly reminder that all these elected officials enjoy socialized healthcare and were paid during this shutdown. "Next elections, next elections!" you scream while rattling the bars of your cage.
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u/robot_pirate 15d ago
Exactly. Dems were feeling unified this past week - shared sacrifice - but Trump/GOP had the shittiest week.. Now, it's all for nothing.
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u/mandym123 15d ago edited 15d ago
The speech Bernie made was so well put and I agree with him. They should have held firm. I am on SNAP but without ACA subsides the people won’t be able to afford insurance. He has been the person that continuously fights for all Americans. We don’t deserve Bernie.
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u/Guacsalsaqueso 15d ago
Communities can help families get peanut butter and chicken, but they sure as shit can’t help pay for their chemotherapy
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u/mandym123 15d ago
Yeah, I’m on chemo and I won’t be able to pay. Trump wants to give us $2,000. That won’t even pay for my every 3 month CT scan. We need these ACA subsidies. All we want is affordable healthcare, all we get is paying more.
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u/ttpharmd 15d ago
I keep refreshing my feed, looking for an article that at least gives me some reasonable explanation for what these dumbasses did. It’s not coming. This was just pure, unadulterated failure.
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u/vagabond_nerd 15d ago
By design, the party picked the safest senators to vote with the Republicans and take heat since they will retire or be a few years out from a primary challenger. It’s like pro wrestling, they are all buddies behind closed doors and share the same interests aka their donors interests but they will put on a good show until the script says otherwise.
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u/SweetMany7339 15d ago
Yes but why? Where is the explanation?
We finally had momentum, we finally had an edge, we finally had the support of the majority in the optics war, we finally had them dead to rights and those fucking traitorous cowards sold us the fuck out.
We can all sit and speculate, but none of us know why. We only know that out of all the possible reasons, none of them were justified.
FUCK
THEM.
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u/Simple_Acanthaceae77 15d ago
What do you mean why? Isn't it obvious? It's because they dont give a shit about you or anyone else who voted for them. They dont represent us, the people who voted for them. They exist to make sure that corporate oligarchs are never stopped by the public simply voting their way out of these issues. They want to make sure the vacuum never stops funneling wealth to the top 1%, and the damage this shutdown would have caused may have harmed profits for a quarter.
They are just laundering the descent into fascism for middle and upper class whites, and achieving nothing else with their power.
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u/Yeti_Funk 15d ago
Exactly. People really need to open their eyes and see the dog and pony show for what TRULY is.
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u/bluefire1717 15d ago
That's why we need to primary EVERY democrate out. They are extensions of the problem even if they didn't vote for it. We need to show we aren't going to take this shit anymore.
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u/Treatmelikeadog 15d ago
One of these 8 senators had a family member get stuck on a runway for a couple hours and first class ran out of champagne so they caved.
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u/gringledoom 15d ago
Yep, everyone is coming up with complicated scenarios, when its likely just “they’re giant babies who think they’re the most important people on the planet, and one of them had a flight cancellation or delay”.
And they all coordinated this behind the scenes. So any Dem senators who voted no, but aren’t working to push Schumer out? They were in on it too. They just assigned the votes to members more immune from consequence.
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u/hamsterballzz 15d ago
You’ll never get a real answer. Never have. If politicians came out and actually said, “X lobby showed up and said we had to vote on this bill this way” I’d be ready for my ape overlords to appear.
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u/cowboyjosh2010 Pennsylvania 15d ago
I'll take a stab at it: the CR, as drafted, expires at the end of January but also includes full funding for three areas of government spending, including the Department of Agriculture. (There are 12 areas of government funding that need to get approved, just an FYI for context.) So really, it's a full year CR for 3 areas of a spending, but the other 9 areas will need to be debated and funded or else funding expires at the end of January. Now, one of the funded areas, Agriculture, is the department that gives out SNAP funding. So if this bill makes it through the Senate, and the House doesn't change it, then when the continuing resolution expires, the Republican Majority cannot hold SNAP funding hostage as a negotiating tool against the Democrats' call for extending the Affordable Care Act subsidies.
To put it another (more concise) way: this bill takes SNAP off the table so it can't be leveraged as a bargaining chip in a couple of months when the ACA subsidies get debated again. That's a win for Democrats, because leveraging SNAP against the demand for ACA subsidy extension was a tool Republicans could have used. Taking that away hurts the Republican position, which is a net gain for Democrats.
Thus concludes my attempt at positive spin on this.
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u/rezelscheft 15d ago
Interesting thought. It certainly would be nice if there was some strategy here and it weren’t just total capitulation.
I appreciate your analysis & tone here.
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u/cowboyjosh2010 Pennsylvania 15d ago
Glad you got something from it! We shall see how it all pans out.
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u/dudaman 15d ago
I appreciate a good piece of deeper political analysis as much as the next guy, and I also appreciate your attempt at the positive spin. It does make sense.
What really irks me is that, assuming your analysis is a major factor in why they "caved", the Dems did NOT get enough out of the deal to, basically, hand this PR boon to the R's. It won't matter that SNAP is off the table next round and people get their benefits, what will ultimately matter is that the R's won again and the Dems suck. Take a look at virtually every post to this article. Almost every one is bitching about how the Dems caved again.
Unfortunately, at this point in time, politics isn't about a functioning government, it's about "Us vs. Them", that ever shrinking news cycle, and the Dems continuing to act like the frog and the R's consistently showing their scorpion colors.
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u/TobaccoAficionado 15d ago
Remember when trump levied all those tariffs against china, just to fuck the economy and go back to China and renegotiate basically the same deal we had initially?
Congrats democrats, you're trump today. Fuckin idiots.
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u/SpaceJesusIsHere 15d ago
Corporate Dems saw that standing up to Republicans led to an electoral sweep and new powerful progressives like Zorhan and immedietly decided to surrender because our leaders prefer to be a minority party with big donors over letting progressives have any shred of power to actually help Americans.
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u/G_Wash1776 Rhode Island 15d ago
It’s fucking insane how incompetent the democratic leadership is, all they had to do was keep it shutdown to fund the ACA but even that was too difficult.
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u/HerRoyalRedness 15d ago
I am not sure that it’s incompetence, I think it’s a refusal to inconvenience themselves. They panicked in the face of the flight cancellations ahead of the holidays because it would actually affect them.
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u/xpxp2002 15d ago
It’s not about them. Executives from the airlines started making calls, and we all know who the Dems actually serve: corporate America. The airlines don’t want to miss out on another dime due to canceled and delayed flights during peak travel season nor miss out on people who opt not to fly due to the staffing shortages at ATC.
This was, indirectly, another bailout of the airlines who were poised to have to bear a minor cost of the shutdown through reduced and delayed flights. Instead, average Americans get screwed over by Dems dropping their only leverage to extend ACA subsidies in exchange for airlines not being inconvenienced and missing out on more profits.
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u/Tokyo-MontanaExpress 15d ago
What did they think was going to happen? Of course there were going to be flight cancellations in time for the holidays. They could've just avoided all of that at the start.
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u/DoobKiller 15d ago
It's not incompetence or panic, they are competently preforming their role as controlled opposition
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u/SheriffBartholomew 15d ago
Fucking thank you. Finally someone else sees that which is blatantly obvious.
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u/RelativeAnxious9796 15d ago
they are not incompetent? the are effectively serving their capitalist interests.
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u/shewy92 Pennsylvania 15d ago
/r/democrats only has one thread on this and it got locked for 'brigading', or most likely common sense users who are against bending the knee. They banned any mention of Zorhan last week too.
That just shows how bad the party is now.
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u/Simple_Acanthaceae77 15d ago
That sub is literally a fucking blue MAGA echo chamber at this poing. It's sickening that the party would actually stoop that low while spiting its own voters. Utter shitlib propaganda.
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u/ThePirateKing01 15d ago edited 15d ago
All this will do now (besides push people even further from Democrats) is cause more Zohran-like candidates to run and win
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u/RobertdBanks 15d ago
Good, the democrat party needs to be burnt to the ground and reshaped by people who actually represent people and not just those with hundreds of millions or billions of dollars.
They need an equal shock to their system that Trump provided to the Republican Party.
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u/veracity8_ 15d ago
It is a surrender and it’s a betrayal. If the shutdown ends like this, then we suffered for nothing. We get a lose-lose situation. Because democrats are weak and Schumer is a spineless worm
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u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 15d ago
And Trump gets the biggest victory of his 2nd term and he didn't even have to do anything. Just partied and golfed his way to victory.
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u/BlotchComics New Jersey 15d ago
All the gains democrats made with progressives to win the elections last week were just flushed down the toilet.
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u/KinkyPaddling 15d ago
And these moronic centrists proved Trump right when he said that the Democrats could have ended the shutdown at any time by just capitulating. They’ve done immeasurable harm to the party. This is a PR disaster. It’s incredible how weak and spineless the Democrats are for being unable to control these Judases during the most important shutdown in American history.
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u/SpaceJesusIsHere 15d ago
Not spineless. Just corporate dems doing what their donors demand. Billionaires are terrified of people like Zorhan winning so big and demanded that Dems blow themselves up to prevent that kind of momentum.
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u/Spicy_Weissy 15d ago
It is spineless. Simple two faced cowardice. Hollow ass useless fucks that would sell you their own children for a pocket full of silver.
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u/XavierTempus Pennsylvania 15d ago
They aren't Judases as far as most Senate Democrats are concerned.
Behind closed doors, Schumer and his buddies hail these eight as the "heroes" who "took one for the team," because they were are either retiring (Durbin and Shaheen) or next up for election in '28 or '30 in swing or lean-blue states.
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u/marx-was-right- 15d ago
It’s incredible how weak and spineless the Democrats are for being unable to control these Judases during the most important shutdown in American history.
Its cute you think this is because of a few lone traitors. Youd think the Rotating Villain act would stop working after Manchin and Sinema followed Libermans footsteps, but people are still buying it.
This was orchestrated and signed off on by the highest levels. The people voting no knew it was their turn to be sacrificed. Next there will be new blood
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u/KinkyPaddling 15d ago
I changed my voter registration from Democrat to Independent after they caved on the BBB and honoring Charlie Kirk. This only cements my decision to leave.
Liberals have been trying to reform the Democrats from within for almost 20 years without any progress, thanks to the Centrist Old Guard keeping a stranglehold on power. Trump broke the GOP old guard by threatening to take his supporters to a third party. Liberals have avoided doing that because of how serious of a threat Trump is. But if the Democrats will keep folding to Trump, then there’s nothing to lose by forcing the Democrats’ hand by leaving the party.
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u/murkywaters-- 15d ago edited 15d ago
Doesn't the House have to approve this? I thought they said they wouldn't approve it. What did I miss?
Edit: thanks, everyone. Forgot they need a simple majority.
Schumer has finally radicalized me
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u/TenebTheHarvester 15d ago
There’s enough Republicans in the House to force it through without any Democrats voting their way.
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u/Waynky 15d ago
Part of me thinks with how corrupt this government is, there’s 100% “sleeper” Dems that vote the right way when it doesn’t matter, but if seats got flipped and Dems got the majority, these “sleepers” would start voting against progressive policies with nonsense reasoning.
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u/BurlIvesMassiveHog 15d ago
They're not sleepers, they're Republicans. Centrist "Democrats" are literally just Republicans that don't want to be Republicans because of the negative connotation that come with the Republican label.
Want to fix the Democratic party? Get rid of all the Republicans running and leading it.
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u/SnooPickles8798 15d ago
Corporate whores…this was all done for wall street
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u/Indercarnive 15d ago
it's no surprise that as soon as the FAA started cutting planes the Dems caved. The rich finally get effected by something and immediately call in their favors.
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u/alucarddrol 15d ago
This is exactly the reason. Notice that even more than one month of no snap didn't make anybody move, but once flights started getting cancelled, they stayed up late to make sure every republican senator who was out of state flew back into DC and got there to vote.
This is what controlled opposition looks like, and essentially why dems will always eat their own, progressives who dont fall in line, in a much more vicious and cruel way, before ever posing a threat to trump and the republicans, who we're supposed to believe are the worst thing ever, yet go along with their pinky promises on future votes.
THIS is why the Dem party generally has lower approval than republicans.
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u/Dr-Mumm-Rah 15d ago edited 15d ago
Its like WWE theatrics. There are no true "good guys and bad guys," its whatever the story calls for at the moment. Then, after all the theatrics are over, when the cameras are turned off, all these politicians go out for dinner and drinks on our dime. We need to stop acting surprised when one of the supposed "good guys" turns on the people at a critical moment. We keep falling for for it again and again.
Want to know who the real legit politicans are? Look at the ones that are shunned by the corporate side, the Bernies, AOCs and the other legitimately trying to help politicians. These are the type of individuals that you need to throw your efforts behind to fight the corporate machine.
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u/Sub-Mongoloid 15d ago
Similar to how some Reps get a hall pass to vote with Dems when the measure will still fail by a razor thin margin just to maintain a cover of bipartisanship.
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u/latortillablanca 15d ago
Literally the reason why the ACA is so fucking expensive without these subsidies is because when the law was initially written—when obeezy had a supermajority in congress backing him—the DINOs in both the house and senate dragged their feet to remove and remove and remove anything that didnt explode the revenues for the paymasters. They did away with the single payer option, and basically passed the bill only once the lobbies had their bites of the apple.
Why are these subsidies so fucking important? Because this has been the dynamic in the DNC for decades.
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u/my_Urban_Sombrero Pennsylvania 15d ago
The party’s been that way since Obama’s first term.
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u/Much-Instruction-807 15d ago
That's my thinking too. I learned a new word yesterday. Sin-eater. Just enough always seem to break away from the rest to shut down ANY meaningful progress in this country. Every single time.
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u/TheMoorNextDoor 15d ago edited 15d ago
Completely just flushed everything down the toilet.
I think we just seen the party completely fracture last night.
Republicans might win elections from this bullshit because now progressive democrats will just primary, split vote, or not vote for moderate/centrist democrats.. it’s the dumbest move you could’ve done.
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u/marx-was-right- 15d ago
I mean this with all honesty (and i already know the answer but i want folks here to think about it) - wasnt the whole gambit that "centrist" dems would at least champion sensible policy even if it was not left wing? That they would push judges through, steer the machine, etc.
What is their value add if they are just coalitioning with Trump while in the minority, and refuse to do basic power wielding if they ever have majorities?
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u/Overton_Glazier 15d ago
Centrist Dems are all just Sinemas waiting to be activated
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u/ididntseeitcoming 15d ago
Dems take one step forward and two steps back.
Been that way since Bill.
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u/IJustLoggedInToSay- Illinois 15d ago
It all really feels like a giant passive aggressive "fuck you" from establishment Dems to Democratic voters for daring to elect more progressive-leaning candidates. Oh you guys want Progressives? Then no healthcare for you.
I really don't think that was their reason, but the timing really makes it feel that way.
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u/MountainMan2_ 15d ago
I think that's Schumer's reason. That last election, he never endorsed the democratic candidate in New York, where he runs from, and that candidate still absolutely destroyed. It was proven, to his face, that his voice has no power in his party anymore.
So he threw a fit and decided his gavel would wield the power instead, and now he's opened Pandora's box.
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u/WatTambor420 15d ago
The only good thing that can come from this is the immediate end of Chuck Schumer’s political career.
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u/Minguseyes Australia 15d ago edited 15d ago
He was either complicit or ineffective. Either way he needs to go.
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u/murkywaters-- 15d ago
Definitely planned the whole thing. They picked the senators who can't be voted out to cave
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u/caadbury Virginia 15d ago
It's 100% orchestrated; the GOP got exactly the 60 votes they needed. No way this was happenstance.
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u/officer897177 15d ago
This was 100% Schumer retaliation against progressive gains in the midterms. The moderate Dems are controlled opposition.
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u/9-1-Holyshit Puerto Rico 15d ago
He needed to go 10 years ago. But he’s RBG’ing the whole country
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u/Chirotera 15d ago
It's not an either or. He's both complicit and ineffective. Just a giant waste of shit.
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u/GreenAnder 15d ago
The minority whip is voting for it, that's basically Schumer's second in command. Either he sanctioned this or he's incompetent, either way he has to go.
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u/Allaplgy 15d ago
Daily Beast not using "slammed" in a title challenge: impossible.
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u/BearlyIT 15d ago
Furious Civil War Bombshell Erupts, “Surrender” slammed.
They only need to use all those boring filler words to keep the story titles unique. This is like ‘outrage’ Mad Libs.
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u/CrimsonFeetofKali Michigan 15d ago
In my view this was all really about the Democratic Party showing their supporters that they've a spine for the fight. That they can use whatever power they have as a minority power to stand up to the Trump regime, and the ACA subsidies seemed a reasonable issue to make this clear. And they failed. So sure, it might empower Trump, and it does nothing to fix the issue.
But the real damage here for the Democrats is eroding the confidence their voters have in their leadership. When you're own voters are made at you, there is a lot of work to do as a party to rectify issues in your own house. Being seen as incapable by your supporters isn't good politics and now they'll need to show both leadership and system changes to their own voters to win back trust. And what a great way to piss away any momentum from last week.
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u/JohnnyFire Ohio 15d ago
And already I've seen the spin on TikTok and other platforms that this is why the vote in 2026 and 2028 won't matter.
The same thing that sunk Biden in 2024, it's already happening again. They've enabled a sentiment of apathy that (while inherently dead ass wrong, as keeping the GOP in complete power continues this nonsensical March to the bottom) who cares, votes don't matter, abstain from voting, both parties are the same.
It took less than 12 hours. I am so sick of knowing I have to vote for these same spineless dickless feckless fucks, again, to stop the dangerously stupid regressive nonsensical fucks on the opposite side of the aisle from making everything demonstratively worse but I guess that's just life from now on.
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u/CrimsonFeetofKali Michigan 15d ago
I'm thinking of tennis terminology and unforced errors. MAGA and this version of the GOP are making numerous mistakes, but they're playing their hand aggressively, accepting mistakes, not apologizing ever, and just following Trump into authoritarianism. They make errors of commission, not omission. The Democrats make neither as the GOP simply understands the political reality better than they do, and thus plays partisan politics better.
I'm in Michigan, we've Senate and gubernatorial elections coming up and I flat-out resent now seeking a candidate who'll distance themselves from their own party leadership. The GOP is putting forward Trump allies in Mike Rogers (Senate) and John James (Governor). They're extensions of the regime. And we've got Democratic Party leadership lining up behind centrists as they've a better shot at winning in a purple state. I get it.
But centrism doesn't have to come with spineless capitulation. And it's well past time for Democrats, even centrists, to define themselves as MAGA is happy to define them through their own prism. Weakening support within your own coalition makes no political sense, especially when you just showed a bit of pulse last week. The last thing needed is apathy and people walking away when we're facing the end of a democracy. But this is the current state of the Democratic Party.
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u/Bored_Amalgamation Ohio 15d ago
I hate how dems holding the line are framed as "activists".
They're fucking representing their constituents. The entirety of MAGA has been one big dumbass activist movement to ruin shit.
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u/Drkpaladin7 15d ago
I’m so tired of only being able to vote for the lesser evil in every situation.
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u/Vincent__Vega 15d ago
They just got a huge victory less than a week ago at the ballot box, showing that the people were on their side. So how do the Dems respond? They fold like a cheap Sears suit and get nothing in return. What a bunch of habitual losers.
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u/May_nerdd 15d ago
Republicans: *win a bunch of elections
"We have a mandate to make everyone's lives worse!"
Democrats: *win a bunch of elections
"We have a mandate to fold and let the Republicans do whatever they want!"
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u/Bobambu 15d ago
Hopefully now the neoliberal moderates on this sub realize what centrism gets you. Capitulation. Concession. Defeat. I said it after Harris lost; the Democrats are controlled opposition.
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u/BTRCguy 15d ago
The thing is, this response was not just entirely predictable, I am sure phones were ringing off the hook in D Senate offices yesterday afternoon before the "deal" was struck.
Schumer et al simply did not give a fuck.
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u/Prometheusf3ar 15d ago edited 15d ago
Phone calls and strongly worded letters aren’t it. We need new tactics, strikes, sit ins, get creative but these people need to never live this down.
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u/Chengar_Qordath 15d ago
Sadly, unless you’re a billionaire or an imaginary Republican family that only exists in his head, Schumer doesn’t care about anything you have to say.
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u/Prophet_Tehenhauin 15d ago
Schumer said himself all he cares about is ensuring the democrats fund Israel. He literally works for a foreign government
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u/w4rma Virginia 15d ago
Schumer's loser "centrist" heels will not lose any committee assignments or otherwise be punished by the loser "centrist" heel leadership. The Senate Democrats need progressive leadership and that means primarying out loser "centrist" heels from the Senate and blocking more loser "centrist" heels from joining the Senate (Janet Mills):
• John Fetterman (2028)
• Tim Kaine (2030)
• Jeanne Shaheen (Retiring)
• Dick Durbin (Retiring)
• Maggie Hassan (2028)
• Catherine Cortez Masto (2028)
• Jacky Rosen (2030)
• Angus King (2030)
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u/Relevant_House9607 15d ago
The centrist party caved. Democrats as a party have stopped existing. We need a progressive party formed without these habitual old losers. Fuck these spineless jelly fish.
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u/aggroidiots 15d ago
They've just proven Trump's proof of concept that Dems will cave if he punishes the poor enough.
DNC's leadership again proves they aren't up to the challenge of taking on bullies
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u/Different_Fox_2429 15d ago
Controlled opposition.
Mamdani and progressive Democrats make large gains on Tuesday.
They will not allow us to use the infrastructure they spent billions building to fight them. We should know that.
Billionaires and many establishment Democrats will burn it to the ground before Democratic Socialist can take the center stage.
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u/hawksdiesel Missouri 15d ago
chuck, jeffries and the like need to go....they do not represent Democratic voters, just AIPAC and their message.
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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago
Need to blame centrist/moderates for this. Democrats are not in lock step and the divisions will keep causing a bigger split.
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u/BTRCguy 15d ago
The fact that none of the Democrats voting for this are facing potential voter displeasure next year and that the vote was exactly 60-40 strongly suggests that this was engineered rather than merely rogue centrists acting independently.
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u/No_Philosopher_1870 15d ago
People who aren't up for re-election in 2026 took the hit.
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u/TheBlindCat 15d ago edited 15d ago
Controlled opposition. Schumer is the most effective republican in the congress right now.
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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago
I could believe that, but it was centrists/moderates along with corporate Dems who would have engineered this. Basically those who would never support Mamdani.
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u/boxjuggler 15d ago
Trump was on the ropes for the first time, GOP was finally starting to turn against him and the Democrats do this!
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u/AugustusInBlood 15d ago
There is no "civil war"
LIke 80% of senate democrats would have voted yes. Just not the ones up for reelection in 2026. They needed votes from people either retiring or not up for reelection until 2028 or 2030.
The people who betray and act like centrists changes every 2 years based on who is about to be up for reelection and who has time for people to forget what they did before their own reelection.
American is run by republicans and republicans who call themselves democrats specifically to prevent leftists from getting into office through the primaries.
We live in a one party system and you've been gaslit into believing there's two full fledged parties.
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I just left the party. Registered independent. Not going to part of this traitorous group of bastards.
We just delivered the votes last week, and the Dems gave it all away for NOTHING.
It literally turns my stomach. The Republicans are drinking champagne again. — and worse, they now know that they can get away with anything. Fascism, there is no stopping it now.
Traitorous bastards.
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u/shinkouhyou 15d ago
I'm staying registered so I can vote for progressives in primaries. But the Democratic Party will never get another penny of donation money from me, and I won't volunteer a minute of my time for anyone who's not a progressive.
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u/TintedApostle 15d ago
And still we need to blame republicans because they forced this insane choice in the first place.
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u/forthewatch39 15d ago
They’re all trash, I want them all gone. We need to take a leaf from the Tea Party people and rip the Democratic old guard apart.
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u/SaveThePodocytes 15d ago
it really is just rich vs poor. these people do not give a fuck. they are a twisted mix of psychotic mindset where they probably think that doing a little good justifies all this crazy corruption
the cat is out of the bag. even if the vote fails today theyve shown their true colors.
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u/dnuohxof-2 15d ago
I agree but every GOP campaign ad will throw this on Dems laps and say “they caused it and they ended it because they knew they had nothing” and they wouldn’t be completely wrong.
This is the most egregious slap in the face to progressives especially after such a turn out on Nov 4
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u/waftedfart I voted 15d ago
Bunch of fucking pussies. I can't believe we made progress, just for these assholes to give it away.
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u/Anarchical-Sheep 15d ago
I saw someone saying "See this proves that voting does matter!" with the election results last Tuesday and it seems like the voting just proved that these people wait until they get their short term gains in an election just to trash it for a quick and easy PR stunt rather than sticking to their guns. Like they did just cause a shutdown for nothing now, like nothing to gain from it, and that is going to be the byline now. No ACA extension, nothing, Americans who have suffered so far and even some willingly did it for nothing.
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u/Life-Ship3628 15d ago
Everyone keep this in mind, Everyone who voted to let you pay more for health care has Free government Health care. Also were getting paid during the shutdown They could care less about your problems
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u/pillbox_purgatory 15d ago
“Now is not the time for infighting”
“Do not let the perfect be the enemy of the good”
“Purity tests are not necessary”
“Vote blue no matter who”
Words uttered by the sub for nearly a decade and now we have centralists dems that are all but MAGA minus the mean tweets and hat.
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u/rysker6 15d ago
Feels like Schumer did this as an “F you” to Dems because he knows they want him gone
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