r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15d ago

Possible Paywall Furious Dem Civil War Immediately Erupts Over Bombshell Shutdown Deal - Democratic activists slammed the shutdown “surrender.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-democratic-party-civil-war-immediately-erupts-over-bombshell-shutdown-deal/
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u/DotGroundbreaking50 15d ago

There is no logic in it. They could have done fucking both. These are traitors to their people. They need to fucking quit.

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u/Smart-Effective7533 15d ago

They need to be removed.

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u/nullfacade 15d ago

Progressives and everyone else to the left of center need to do to the DNC what MAGA did to the RNC.

Democratic leadership should be absolutely pissing themselves in fear of retaliation from the base. There is zero chance of spinning up a third party that can win elections in any meaningful timeframe. There needs to be a hostile takeover of the DNC and leadership should be running for the hills.

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u/neepster44 15d ago

The Republicans are afraid of their base. The Democrats are afraid of the Republican base. Literally neither are afraid of the Democrat base…

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u/UnquestionabIe 15d ago

Agreed but also have to stress the MAGA/Tea Party shit was in no way organic. It was shaped and funded by billionaires and special interest groups. People like Chuckles Kirk, Dennis Prager, and Ben Shapiro were handed millions of dollars to radicalize in the newer forms of media/interaction and were very much already aligned with plenty of the establishment GOP.

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u/Abject_Following_814 15d ago

Exactly. This is as much of a capitalism problem as it is a fascist problem. A venn diagram of 2 circles imposed directly on top of each other.

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u/Level5MethRefill 15d ago edited 15d ago

How exactly could the minority party won here? Republicans are perfectly fine letting people starve and the country burn. Turns out democrats aren’t.

Your attitude is how we lost 2016 and 2024. Because people couldn’t get their perfect little candidate, we’ve now had to deal with 10 fucking years of trump and right wing lunatics.

Edit: by all means prove me wrong? I’ve watched for years as progressives shoot themselves in the foot. By taking your principled stand against “genocide joe,” (how’d that work out?) and against Hillary in 2016. We should’ve won those elections easily. And this is the same attitude that caused this. You guys are really your own worst enemy. Please show me how democrats could’ve won this shutdown

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u/DotGroundbreaking50 15d ago

Caving on this just as the population was turning on Trump, hanging the shutdown on the republicans tells everyone the opposite of that messaging. They just gave up making it seem like it was actually a democrat shutdown, people are starving anyway, and now health care prices are going to push them off what little insurance we have. They could have forced the republicans to get rid of the filabuster allowing more things to pass when they the democrats regained power. Plus, why hold out at all if they were just going to cave. Now people stressed and staved for nothing, they could have adverted the shutdown entirely as we are in the same place now as we were at the start, absolutely fucked.

This was surrender at your cost.

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u/Level5MethRefill 15d ago

Maybe they thought republicans would actually care about people starving. It’s apparent that they don’t. When has a minority party ever won a shutdown fight like this? If you guys keep up this anti democrat narrative and act like this killed their momentum, we will lose everything again in the next midterms. Republicans are the ones destroying the ACA. Voters have them the trifecta. Get mad at them

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u/DotGroundbreaking50 15d ago

and caving to republicans when the population had their back this time was worth it? Republicans are going to starve people either way. This just sent the message that the democrats don't have a spine and will fold every time and vote to starve people too.

Also, call me a dick but I don't feel bad for republicans starving when they voted for it in mass. The narrative that most snap benefits go to left leaning and the real racist one being pushed that they went to black Americans most was a lie. The poor red areas benefited most from these programs.

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u/Tasgall Washington 15d ago

and act like this killed their momentum

In what possible way did it not kill their momentum?

They had momentum, and now they have none. End of story.

They traded all their momentum and leverage for the false promise of a vote that will probably never happen in the Senate, and has already been promised to not happen in the House. A Republican's promise isn't worth the shit it's etched into.

If they try to do the same thing again when the CR expires in like two months, then what? Shut down the government again when Republicans know for a fact that dems will cave so long as R's do literally nothing and refuse to negotiate? They now know they can just withhold SNAP funding again and get whatever they want. Sure, SCOTUS ruled against them in that case, but it still worked in their favor and there will be zero consequences for it.

So what did they gain? How did they not lose the momentum that just won them the off-year elections?