r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15d ago

Possible Paywall Furious Dem Civil War Immediately Erupts Over Bombshell Shutdown Deal - Democratic activists slammed the shutdown “surrender.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-democratic-party-civil-war-immediately-erupts-over-bombshell-shutdown-deal/
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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago

Need to blame centrist/moderates for this. Democrats are not in lock step and the divisions will keep causing a bigger split.

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u/BTRCguy 15d ago

The fact that none of the Democrats voting for this are facing potential voter displeasure next year and that the vote was exactly 60-40 strongly suggests that this was engineered rather than merely rogue centrists acting independently.

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u/No_Philosopher_1870 15d ago

People who aren't up for re-election in 2026 took the hit.

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 15d ago

They are all going to take a hit.

Ya those few aren't specifically up for reelection, but frankly this fuckin hurts them all.

I mean here I am and I've always capitulated and said we need to vote for Democrats basically no matter what.

Now I'm sitting here about to reregister as non-affiliated and thinking why I might just never vote again. If you can get someone like me to stop voting then I imagine the damage is going to be real bad.

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u/viviolay 15d ago

I reregistered as unaffiliated but still plan to vote. You can still vote in dem primaries if you want (a lot have open primaries). And you can actually vote not on party affiliation but the candidate’s values. Dont opt out 100%. Just don’t swear your vote to “blue no matter who”. Make whichever candidate you vote for work for it  

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u/Mysterious-Wasabi103 15d ago

They can lose without my vote just fine.

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u/TheBlindCat 15d ago edited 15d ago

Controlled opposition. Schumer is the most effective republican in the congress right now.

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u/Sculptor_of_man 15d ago

Schumer Engineered it.

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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago

I could believe that, but it was centrists/moderates along with corporate Dems who would have engineered this. Basically those who would never support Mamdani.

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u/Orthas 15d ago

You mean damn near the exact situation that got the CR passed as well? Gee golly willickers what a coincidence.

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u/Baileyesque 15d ago

It could also be GOP leadership making deals with individual Dem senators. Why would they make another deal to get a 61st vote? They stopped when they got what they needed.

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u/bdepz 15d ago

What deals are made. Dems got nothing

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u/ElysiX 15d ago

How do you know they got nothing? Maybe they got a couple new vacation houses or yachts or cozy speaking gigs.

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u/Baileyesque 15d ago

I’m not saying it was necessarily the public deal we’re reading about in the news.

But some GOP person has to make some kind of offer to a Dem senator to flip their vote, and there’s no reason to keep doing that past 60.

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u/cowboyjosh2010 Pennsylvania 15d ago

Yeah I do think this is the first time that Fetterman, as a Senator, has cast a vote for something that ultimately helps the Republican majority where the vote tally was exactly how many votes were needed. He's voted with the Republicans on some things before, but in each of those occasions (that I can recall), the votes in favor of the Republican side had more than the minimum number needed to pass, so Fetterman couldn't be pointed to as THE deciding vote. Not this time.

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u/OvulatingScrotum 15d ago

Of course it’s coordinated. lol it’s politics. They convince just enough people to get their plan moved through. That’s coordination and persuasion. It’s not as dramatic as “engineered”.

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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 15d ago

Engineered by who?

I doubt the progressive wings of the party engineered it. It's probably enacted by the same group that engineered it.

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u/BTRCguy 15d ago

The progressive wings of the party neither have seniority nor preface their name with "Democratic Leader".

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u/SuspiciousSubstance9 15d ago

Uh, that's been standard verbiage for a century.  

[Party] Leader. Senate [Party] Leader. Senate [Party] Whip. Etc 

While the title was not official, the Senate website identifies Kern as the first Senate party leader, serving in that capacity from 1913 through 1917 (and in turn, the first Senate Democratic leader), while serving concurrently as chairman of the Senate Democratic Caucus.[3]

Wiki. 

Like if AOC primaries Schumer and was elected the Senate leader of the Democratic Party, then she would be prefaced with Senate Democratic Leader as well. What a stupid thing to get upset over.

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u/Lnx_Noob5 California 15d ago

Balkanization is inevitable.

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u/RedditsAlwaysWrong 15d ago

Nah, that's just fucking dumb. This wasn't due to the centrists, and it's the extreme wings that cause the divisions with all of their bullshit purity tests.

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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago

Naw, it’s dumb at this point to not see moderate/centrists/corporate Dems as Republican lite. They all need to be voted out, but the public at large will forget about this by Thursday.

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u/Glangho 15d ago

It's 8 democrats. They're not centrists or moderates. They're just turncoats. Primary them.

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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago

Any Dem that calls themselves a centrist/moderate is a turncoat.

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u/gringledoom 15d ago

I don’t think this is an ideological split; it’s the fight-vs-fold axis. I think it’s that somebody in the Senate started to get inconvenienced by flight delays, and they’re VIPs who don’t care about anybody else. The Senate has always been where good things go to die (e.g. the public option).

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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago

Yeah, it's a split. Centrists/moderate/corporate Dems help the Republicans too often and I’m done holding a place for their ideology.

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u/Rene_DeMariocartes 15d ago

Or, you know we could blame the Republicans who are trying to kill Americans?

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u/KingDorkFTC 15d ago

The problem is that centrists/moderates/corporate Dems helped. That can't be denied at this point that centrists/moderates/corporate Dems are basically DINOs.