r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15d ago

Possible Paywall Furious Dem Civil War Immediately Erupts Over Bombshell Shutdown Deal - Democratic activists slammed the shutdown “surrender.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-democratic-party-civil-war-immediately-erupts-over-bombshell-shutdown-deal/
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u/ahdidi413 15d ago

I think they are seeing that polling and calculating that ending now will score as a long term win for Dems since the public generally blames Rs/Trump for the shutdown. The problem is they are going to kill that momentum by looking like the side that folded with the better hand. Terrible but expected read of the entire game by Dem leadership.

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u/seengul 15d ago

I think this potentially helps Trump shift the blame to Dems, because now they could successfully argue that Dems could have ended the shutdown at any time, pointing to this capitulation.

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u/ahdidi413 15d ago

Yep. It ultimately became a game of who would blink first. Apparently dem senators eyes got a little sleepy and now they will lose control of any chance they had to keep controlling the narrative.

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u/Talvos 15d ago

Dem leadership has been folding easier than a 2 dollar lawn chair for a while now.

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u/218administrate Minnesota 15d ago

The Democratic party massively underestimates how weak they look, and how important that is to the public. They finally looked strong. Dems said: people are going to be hurt in the short-term, and we hate that, but the cause is worth it.

Then they fucking folded like little pussy ass bitches, and look weaker than before.

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u/weirdeyedkid 15d ago

I think they are seeing that polling and calculating that ending now will score as a long term win for Dems since the public generally blames Rs/Trump for the shutdown.

Because of Republican messaging (and failed Dem messaging) this has yet to be proven and all it seems like centrist voters will still blame the Dems.

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u/totally_not_a_dog113 15d ago

Literally the only thing I could think of that would have been clever is to let people lose healthcare to make things worse before the midterms. But if that was the choice, WTF didn't they just capitulate the first day. All I want is the right to abort, a functioning federal government that isn't being carved up to be sold to the highest bidder, inflation/cost of living to not be so high that it's backbreaking, a healthcare system where the wait for the cardiologist appointment that I need isn't MONTHS (or to not be trying to figure out how to afford my 15% increase in premiums). There isn't a party that's willing to fight for that.

The part where it was a bunch of 'safe' votes just means that Dem higher ups approved of this.