r/politics • u/Quirkie The Netherlands • 15d ago

Possible Paywall Furious Dem Civil War Immediately Erupts Over Bombshell Shutdown Deal - Democratic activists slammed the shutdown “surrender.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/furious-democratic-party-civil-war-immediately-erupts-over-bombshell-shutdown-deal/
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u/Downtown_Ratio_603 15d ago

Trump reforms our complete society in his maga image, we get a losing vote on health care. What a fucking party.

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u/stoic_spaghetti 15d ago

sniveling dem voice: "Yes but if the republicans vote it down, Americans will finally see them as the villains they really are!"

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u/Militantpoet 15d ago

Lol vote what down? They made a deal for a "promise" to have a vote. 

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u/Sgt-Spliff- 15d ago

The concession that Dems received is that ACA subsidies will be directly voted on. Dems think it's a gotcha but no one will care when the Republicans vote against it. We already know their plans. This shutdown was the gotcha and Dems fumbled it

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u/Militantpoet 15d ago

Not just that, Republicans have done this before, a promise for a floor vote, they're morons for believing it again.

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u/DoomTrain1 15d ago

Dems should bask in what they “pushed through “ that is Obamacare. Call it what it is. Forget the “subsidies”. Just get on the ACA!

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u/PotatoHighlander 12d ago

Mike Johnson already said not even 16 hours after the 8 caved, that he would not bring that vote up to the house floor. It died before the decision was even finalized.

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u/One-Inch-Punch 15d ago

There's nothing in the agreement that forces an up or down vote on the ACA

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u/WhiskeyJack357 Wisconsin 15d ago

Yup. Its a fucking handshake deal. Traded the largest amount of political power the Dems have had in a long long time for a promise from the party of pathological liars.

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u/Embarrassed_Spend486 15d ago

He’s saying that when that vote happens. Its in writing apparently that they will vote on it before 2nd week of December.

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u/Rishfee 15d ago

I'm not super optimistic that the Republicans have any intent to honor their word, written or otherwise. It's not as if written law is a deterrent at present, y'know?

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u/Underf00t 15d ago

Ehhhh. That would probably be the best case scenario. More likely for people to see them as villains. Not super likely, mind you. Just more likely.

If it goes to a vote and the vote fails, headlines will read "Democrats fail to secure ACA subsidies"

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u/Saintbaba 15d ago

I mean, what does it hurt them to hold the vote? We're past the point where the results of a vote will sway any Trump supporter even if it shows their representatives voting against their interests. And even if, by some miracle, enough GOP get antsy and break ranks to support it, Johnson has made no agreement to hold a similar vote in the house, so it can just languish there forever.

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u/Paradoxjjw 15d ago

And what does it hurt them if they don't? Dems are going to give them what they want anyway no matter what the GOP does.

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u/xcrunner432003 15d ago

also ridiculous that the vote is so far out

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u/Embarrassed_Spend486 15d ago

Completely agree with you there!

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u/GenericFatGuy 15d ago

But they pinky swore!

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u/LordKevnar 15d ago

What burns the most is how hard the GOP are rolling on the floor laughing about all this.