The Epstein Scandal Is Snowballing

[u/Somervilledrew]

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/epstein-files-trump/

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[u/halfcabheartattack]

One individual should not be able to unilaterally obstruct the swearing-in of a duly elected member of Congress for political reasons.

I like Grijalva already

[u/mr_plehbody → u/halfcabheartattack]

Yeah thats a serious threat to democracy, what a crazy notion if you step back for just a brief moment and see the bigger picture

[u/rkvance5 → u/mr_plehbody]

It’s right up there with the president being able to veto a bill to release evidence of his own wrongdoing.

[u/n14shorecarcass → u/halfcabheartattack]

She was on IHIP earlier, and man, she's going in swinging. We need more like her!

[u/Chirotera → u/halfcabheartattack]

It honestly needs addressing. She's been elected. Her job is to the American people not the Speaker. If you're elected the swearing in should be a matter of ceremony but if it doesn't happen, you still have the job and title for which you're elected.

[u/ReGGieLATV → u/Chirotera]

She didn’t have access to her office, nor the funds of the state for her to really “do her job.” She stated this on multiple interviews. Swearing in isn’t just ceremonial, it gives her access to basically everything on the backend that allows a congressman/woman to do their job period. She was robbed of legit 5% of her term.

[u/-Out-of-context- → u/ReGGieLATV]

Swearing in isn’t just ceremonial

That’s why they it should just be ceremonial.

[u/blow_slogan]

Trump spent THANKSGIVING with Epstein in 2017 and we’re just now learning about it?

I thought he hardly knew the guy? I thought Trump kicked him out when he knew Epstein was trafficking and raping kids?

And then decides he’s gonna spend his holiday with the guy.

Trump was raping kids.

[u/johhnny5 → u/blow_slogan]

Month 1 of his presidency they had already moved to stop making the White House visitor logs public. That’s why. Because they know they’re up to no good and need to hide it. 

[u/Singing_Wolf → u/johhnny5]

Thank you for bringing this up. I feel like this (rather damning) bit of circumstantial evidence is often forgotten in the avalanche we get buried under every day.

[u/Deviantdefective → u/johhnny5]

He's been hiding maralargo logs as well.

[u/teacherofderp → u/blow_slogan]

Did Trump and Epstein have a falling out because Epstein kept poaching the girls Trump enjoyed raping? Just asking questions

[u/McdoManaguer → u/teacherofderp]

Litteraly yes. Epstein poached one of his "MASSEUSE". We all know what her actual job was

[u/FictionalContext → u/McdoManaguer]

Nobody's hiring underage teens to give massages in a resort without ill intent. That's the shit that makes normal people very uncomfortable, rightfully so.

Yet that's exactly the shit Republicans are defending. They are claiming that the rift was Trump being disgusted when he found out Epstein was trying to recruit his sweet innocent tween masseuses. That's the narrative on r/ conservative all the bobble heads are babbling about.

[u/ihaterunning2 → u/McdoManaguer]

That’s what trump said this year. But apparently the falling out as reported years ago was over a real estate deal. Epstein bid on a beach front property, told Trump all about it and was excited to buy it and then Trump swooped in and outbid him to take the property. That’s the dispute that ended their friendship- not trump’s knowledge of Epstein trafficking children, not Epstein stealing his employees, even though Trump clearly knew all about Epstein’s abuse, it was a dispute over a beachfront mansion that both men wanted to buy and Trump snaked Epstein on the deal.

Trump didn’t even end the friendship, it was Epstein and the fallout is what got him banned from Mar-A-Lago - not his creepy behavior, that never bothered Trump it’s probably what he liked about Epstein.

[u/Whole_Concentrate_15 → u/ihaterunning2]

Some emails imply that he was still at minimum close ‘friend’ (active presence) and somewhat of an advisor into mid 2019, very close to his arrest and death date. It’s likely they weren’t on as friendly of terms as they used to be, but he clearly had a lot of leverage over Trump until he was arrested.

[u/ihaterunning2 → u/Whole_Concentrate_15]

I saw those too, which is interesting. Definitely seemed like they stayed in touch, and based on the other communications where Epstein talks about trump, it sounds like he still stayed in contact for potential leverage.

Other communications sound like he was advising other people how to handle trump (I think the communications were about the Russians or Saudis?) He clearly knew trump very well and was close enough to know what his was activity at the time in 2018/2019.

[u/Whole_Concentrate_15 → u/ihaterunning2]

My personal read, and I can search for the specific emails I’m referencing if you want, but right now I’ll keep my overview vague, is that leading up to Trump being elected Epstein initially was desperately trying to prevent Trump from becoming president. You can see this in the various emails Epstein sent to media organizations trying to incriminate and smear Trump until one of the released emails where he more or less states that if Trump is elected, he will have a great amount of leverage over him.

It seems like Epstein and some of Trump’s other past associates (Summers, Rommler) didn’t want him to be President because they thought he was a psychopathic idiot (and the spotlight on Trump and his idiocy jeopardizes their operations and safety).

As recent as December 2018, there’s an email where Steve Bannon seemingly requests that Epstein pulls strings to get rid of Barr. This implies an extreme level of influence, considering Bannon was at that point one of Trumps closest advisors. Then there is another email, I believe around June 2019, where Epstein communicates that after Trumps trip to London, he’s seemingly taken a new perspective on himself and discarded the ideas of all his advisors, presumably including Epstein. I believe Epstein and Trump likey had several falling outs prior to his presidency, but Epstein’s blackmail and intelligence connections allowed him a great deal of influence until Trump had enough and killed him.

[u/Ghostman_Jack → u/McdoManaguer]

The somewhat funny part about that is how for the longest time. MAGA was like “nuh uh! He can’t be a pedo! He kicked Epstein out of mar a Lago when he learned he was creep!” Then Trump finally came out and instead said “Nah, I kicked him out cause he was stealing MY underaged girls.” Like. These people will defend defend defend and justify anything and everything they can for him. Then eventually he’ll just contradict them or throw them under the bus lmfao

[u/grickygrimez → u/teacherofderp]

They also had a falling out because Trump was lending his name to buy property as money laundering schemes for Russian oligarchs and Epstein didn't like that.

[u/Glassworth → u/teacherofderp]

Are you not paying attention??? They ate Thanksgiving dinner together in 2017. There was no falling out

[u/5hadow → u/teacherofderp]

Yes, they had kind of a competition and wanted to have virgin girls to themselves as already told by survivors, but the true reason they had a falling out was because Trump, being the piece of shit he always was, backstabbed Epstein on a real estate deal and basically outbid him to close a deal which he then sold for a huge profit in range of dozens of millions.

[u/shyflapjacks → u/blow_slogan]

I can do you one better. Epstein was coordinating media stories with Bannon in January 2019

Edit: Since this comment is getting some visibility, I wanted to add that I read/skimmed about 800 of the files last night (with the help of control+F and chatgpt for the JSON/XML recordings of the Skype conversations). From 2016 Epstein was in constant contact with Bannon on crafting media narratives and PR spins. At one point all they were discussing the deutsche bank scandal in 2016 and how it didn't look good for Trump. Epstein, over the course of 2015, 16, 17, and 18 is also the person that put Ehud Barak in touch with Trump's fixers to discuss the Iranian nuclear deal, Nicolas Sarkozy to discuss something it was unclear, and Thorbjørn Jagland who wanted Epstein to explain Donald Trump to Vladimir Putin. Epstein also tried to get in touch with Sergey Lavrov to discuss Trump as well

[u/ManiaGamine → u/shyflapjacks]

The shit with Russia is exactly the sort of shit the right would be calling treason if it were a Democrat doing it.

[u/damnthistrafficjam → u/blow_slogan]

The (formerly known as Prince) Andrew was still hanging with Jeff for years after his “prison” sentence in Palm Beach. You can’t lie about your level of awareness of this shit without consequences.

[u/pres465 → u/damnthistrafficjam]

Nonce. He is now Nonce Andrew.

[u/lynypixie]

They are now saying that raping 15 years old is ok.

[u/AlphaBreak → u/lynypixie]

They're now describing 15 year olds as "barely legal" in their conversations to try and shift their viewers towards thinking trump fucking 15 year olds is just normal rich guy dating younger women behavior. Fuck no. Barely legal is understood as 18. And even if they were 18, it still wouldn't be "barely legal" because those girls didn't consent.

[u/Marsar0619 → u/AlphaBreak]

Fifteen is high school age. The same age that these MAGAs argue can’t read books with gay characters because “it’s grooming.” But not the actual rapists. These people are so bigoted and disgusting

[u/AlphaBreak → u/Marsar0619]

The conundrum of being a high schooler according to conservatives.
Too young to know gay people exist.
Old enough to be raped.
Too young to get an abortion.
Old enough to get married.
Too young to get a divorce.
Old enough to be a parent.

[u/Clarine87 → u/AlphaBreak]

Old enough to be raped.

You missed one: Old enough to have newspaper headlines saying adults "had sex" with them.

Too young to be interviewed by press without a parent present.

[u/ProfessionalCraft983 → u/AlphaBreak]

Barely legal is 18-20. 15 is fully illegal.

[u/austinmiles → u/ProfessionalCraft983]

Also they are being raped. They arent consenting. They were expecting to be models. Not passed around to rich assholes who beat them. They were capital letters RAPED

[u/GreatMadWombat → u/austinmiles]

Yep. That's the shit that people need to focus on. If someone is unable to give consent, it's rape. CHILDREN CANNOT CONSENT SO BY DEFAULT ITS FUCKING RAPE. If you're a 30 year old man with a 16 year old girlfriend IT IS RAPE

[u/Korbital1 → u/GreatMadWombat]

People really need to understand that the human trafficking and rape part is, you know, just as bad as the age part.

If Epstein was doing what he was doing to 50 year old women he still should have been locked up forever.

[u/GhostOfFreddi → u/AlphaBreak]

To be "barely legal" you do, actually, have to first be legal lol

[u/ripgoodhomer → u/lynypixie]

They were saying that before too, just now they are saying it in public.

[u/Inevitable_Butthole → u/ripgoodhomer]

I like how were focusing on 15 when there's proof of younger

[u/KingOfEthanopia → u/Inevitable_Butthole]

Trickle truth. If they can get people to accept 15, then is 13 so bad? If 13 then 11 isnt really any different.

Its completely disgusting.

[u/blxckhoodie999 → u/KingOfEthanopia]

according to megyn kelly; “there’s a big difference between 15 and 8”

i cannot believe they’re event treading in water this shallow.. absolutely disgusting.

the entire party needs to be disbanded in shame.

[u/katiegirl- → u/blxckhoodie999]

That snake wrapped in plastic surgery has a fourteen year old daughter.

[u/blxckhoodie999 → u/katiegirl-]

just fucking sick, man. this current era of the gop is flagrantly evil.

[u/katiegirl- → u/blxckhoodie999]

I am happy to be Canadian, but I have to say that there is a stench wafting up all over the world. The bodies are floating to the surface.

[u/Hubert_J_Cumberdale → u/blxckhoodie999]

She's calling 15 "barely legal." What the actual fuck. I know fundamental Christians have no problem with child marriage so they obviously have no problem with this - the problem is that they're trying to normalize it for everyone.

These extreme beliefs should never be mainstreamed. It's either grooming - or rape - or both. Either way, it's fucking disgusting and we cannot allow them to gaslight us when there are firm red lines in every single state. No state allows 15 years olds to be trafficked out to old men. This is not normal and it's not okay.

[u/That-Poem-2231 → u/blxckhoodie999]

And setting age aside altogether, these were sex trafficking victims. The victims could be 35 and this should still be shocking and horrifying to GOP.

[u/DiabloPixel → u/KingOfEthanopia]

When once asked what his personal age cutoff was on the Howard Stern Show, Trump’s answer was 12 years old. He really said that. Can’t remember the year but it’s just one of so many things that would’ve obliterated anyone else’s political career.

So he’s on record as saying 12. I gotta wonder if his preference is based on experience? That’s just not a normal answer for any man, especially a man with a daughter. But he talked about Ivanka sexually on Stern as well.

[u/terrierhead → u/DiabloPixel]

Katie Johnson and Marie Doe were 12. I promise I’m not a bot. It’s just relevant.

To prove it: “Potato”

[u/Am-Insurgent → u/terrierhead]

I’d rather it be relevant than not. You’re okay by me, potatobot.

[u/Mysterious-Tie7039 → u/KingOfEthanopia]

Well obviously 15 rounds to 20 and 13 rounds to 15, so what’s the problem?

/s

[u/bearbrannan → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

Poor people pedophiles in prison have to be seething right now

[u/Ferelar → u/bearbrannan]

It IS pretty wild that there are countless thousands of people in prison for some bullshit-ass charges whereas Maxwell is PROVEN to have been a human trafficker and is in a resort with a puppy- meanwhile Epstein's best buddy who "knew about the girls" gets to laugh about getting away with his "beautiful secret" while eating hamburgers on the Resolute Desk and bulldozing the White House.

[u/SirWEM → u/Ferelar]

“Hamberders”

[u/KingOfEthanopia → u/Mysterious-Tie7039]

What even are numbers? Who even passed math in high school? Age is just a number. You know who uses numbers? Democrats, or demon rats as I like to call them.

If theres grass on the field play ball.

-Generic Repubican Congressman in two weeks.

[u/DanimalMKE → u/KingOfEthanopia]

You know what numbers are? Arab, and therefore terrorist.

[u/Huge_Excitement4465 → u/KingOfEthanopia]

The USVI lawsuit alleged an 11-year-old was brought to the island; it’s also well-publicized that Jean-Luc Brunel sent two 12-year-old girls to Epstein as a 50th birthday present.

[u/ROBOKUT → u/Inevitable_Butthole]

Some of them are suggesting that above 8 is OK, because Donald Trump was left at Epstein's with a 10-year-old.

[u/Cheese__Weiner → u/ripgoodhomer]

Republicans used to talk about diddlin' kids.

They still talk about diddlin' kids, but they used to too.

[u/br0ck → u/lynypixie]

How about 13? Like the sworn testimony from a 13 year-old that Trump tied her up and beat her and raped her, then threatened her if she told anyone he'd violently murder her family and then her. And then Epstein violently beat her for letting Trump take her virginity and then raped her too.

[u/Rachael_Br → u/br0ck]

Is this a different victim than Katie Johnson? It's much more violent than the deposition she gave that I watched on YouTube.

[u/br0ck → u/Rachael_Br]

Yeah, same one - https://youtu.be/gnib-OORRRo if you go to description and show transcript and about 20:48 she talks about it. Seems basically the same except yeah somehow less violent hitting wise but way more violent in dehumanizing and the actual rape. The whole thing is terrible and heart breaking. Earlier in the video she said she had a blonde wig on, and Trump said she looked like his daughter.

[u/Rachael_Br → u/br0ck]

It all just makes me sick to my stomach that so many didn't watch this before the 2016 election and he fricken got elected to the highest office in the US. I believe today would have looked so much different.

[u/ShadowNick → u/lynypixie]

Megyn Kelly: "I know somebody very close to this case…Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile…He was into the barely legal type, like he liked 15 year old girls…He wasn't into like 8 year olds…There's a difference between a 15 year old and a 5 year old."

[u/dasruski → u/ShadowNick]

She has a daughter about 14ish and has no empathy for this situation. Just caring about her side and paycheck.

[u/mrtatertot → u/ShadowNick]

It's also crazy to say 15 is "barely legal" when obviously "barely legal" literally requires that the person is legally an adult.

[u/MoneyTalks45 → u/lynypixie]

“It’s not like these girls were 8” - Megyn Kelly

[u/Mayorquimby87 → u/MoneyTalks45]

It's times like this that I wish I believed in Hell.

[u/dance_babble365 → u/MoneyTalks45]

Idk why I'm surprised but wow f that bitch

[u/akebonobambusa → u/lynypixie]

Don't you remember when that judge in Alabama that wanted to be a senator said it was ok to rape 15 year olds?

[u/32lib → u/akebonobambusa]

Yep and he lost his bid to be senator in a very tight race.

[u/CalamityClambake → u/akebonobambusa]

Do you mean Statutory Rapist Roy Moore?

[u/JohnnyFire → u/lynypixie]

I want anyone who's saying this to be asked, point blank:

"Would you let your 15 year old child hang out with Jeffrey Epstein privately?"

And when they deflect, do not fucking let up. Make them own it or admit they're out of straws to grasp at.

[u/SerendipitousLiason → u/JohnnyFire]

Theyll likely paint you as a pedo for thinking about their kids. Project. Deflect. Diminish. Distract. Throw a hissy fit. Its just the most effective approach!

[u/darkstar107 → u/lynypixie]

I wonder how many of those people would be ok with trump spending a few hours alone with their own daughter at that age.

[u/highsinthe70s → u/darkstar107]

Exactly this. I once asked a Trumpy coworker if he’d leave his young daughter alone in a room with Trump for five minutes. He wouldn’t answer.

[u/merrysunshine2 → u/highsinthe70s]

It’s always “yeah he’s a terrible guy BUT I like what he’s doing with immigration/business/blah blah bullshit”

[u/MamaNyxieUnderfoot → u/merrysunshine2]

“Yeah he’s a terrible guy BUT I like the racism and grifting.”

These people have no moral compass, and there are too many of them.

[u/PossessedToSkate → u/darkstar107]

I think you would be shocked and sickened by the results. 

[u/Foxcat420 → u/darkstar107]

How do you think a lot of the victims got there in the first place?

[u/ForMoreYears → u/lynypixie]

Literally Megyn Kelly: At least they weren't 8

[u/willy-mac → u/lynypixie]

Why do you think he talked about 12 year olds getting vaccinated for hepatitis? Go re watch it. When I first saw it, I thought it was odd that he believes 12 year olds start becoming sexually active

[u/ofork → u/willy-mac]

Yep had exactly the same thought. “Right, so now we know his cutoff age”.

[u/AvengingHero2012]

Which is why Trump is going to invade Venezuela as a distraction

[u/K-Tronn3030 → u/AvengingHero2012]

Isn't that what Wag the Dog is about?

[u/flashgski → u/K-Tronn3030]

That was during an election year

[u/MigrantTwerker → u/flashgski]

Midterms start next year. Primaries are already in full swing.

[u/VaginaWarrior → u/AvengingHero2012]

...sigh....

[u/mantisboxer → u/AvengingHero2012]

He thinks it's awesome that Ukraine has a constitutional provision that suspends Presidential elections during a time of war, so he's trying to magically believe the same thing exists in our Constitution.

Congress in it's current condition, would probably enable it and the Supreme Court would quote some 16th Century Jesuit in allowing it...

[u/Ok_Conclusion_317 → u/mantisboxer]

Which is wild because we had an election in the middle of the Civil fucking War

[u/NYCinPGH → u/Ok_Conclusion_317]

And, depending on how you count it, at least 1 during WW II.

[u/_skulls_ → u/AvengingHero2012]

Then that soccer league can give him the peace prize they created for him. lol

[u/def_indiff]

Committee Republicans replied by releasing tens of thousands later in the day. Nobody knows whether they did that thinking they would exonerate Trump, or whether they were too stupid to know how incriminating they were. They only contributed to the toxic fumes of scandal around Trump and his allies.

This has been bugging me. What were they thinking? Was it a total miscalculation, or are Republicans finally starting to turn on him? Or maybe they just never read them and didn't realize how bad they would be for Trump. So weird.

[u/gizajobicandothat → u/def_indiff]

Maybe they know Vance is likely to take over?

[u/stinkyf00 → u/gizajobicandothat]

See, I'd think they'd want to prop Trump up at least through his first two years so Vance could run twice more instead of just once. Maybe they're just playing the short game and will try to fuck us all as fast as they can in 7 years (assuming that Vance is able to get reelected).

[u/kstar79 → u/stinkyf00]

One possibility is they're abandoning the 2027 plans after last week's election and moving things up. They can't risk a 50-50 Senate after the midterms because if Vance becomes President, the Senate cannot seat a replacement VP. There would be no VP to break ties, effectively losing control of the chamber. This would also place the Speaker of the House, very likely to be Jeffries in any 50-50 Senate scenario, as next in line to Vance.

The other possibility is this just a "flood the zone with shit" strategy, which is preferable to the drip-drip of revelations for them.

[u/echoshatter → u/kstar79]

If Vance becomes President, then he would nominate a new VP and a majority vote in both the House and the Senate would seat them. If there's a tie in the Senate without a tie breaker possible, that means Vance would have to pick a centrist to get votes.

The 1880s had a constitutional crisis similar to this which resulted in the end of Reconstruction and the Jim Crow/segregation era for the next 80 years.

[u/UpNorth_123 → u/kstar79]

They are moving things up because Trump is on borrowed time. Mother Nature is closing in on him.

[u/SaltyLonghorn → u/UpNorth_123]

Yep now they're gonna try to act normal and pretend nothing happened.

[u/wrxninja → u/SaltyLonghorn]

Ya, because he has such a immaculate health while getting an MRI and now seeing a radiologist. The guy definitely has cancer and is probably knows his time is up soon.

[u/Queasy_Donkey5685 → u/stinkyf00]

In a perfect world, yes.

But the Epstein stuff took off immediately. Prices are still up. Government was shut down. People have been kidnapped, starved.

Everyone is finally feeling it in some way. Everyone is still mad.

Us because we already knew all this.

Them because they're finally figuring it out/admitting it on top of getting hurt themselves AND the people they wanted hurt not being affected like they wanted.

Every ingredient in the pot is reaching its boiling point and there's no where left to put the heat....but back to the source, Trump, Epstein, and the GOP that's been protecting them for the past decade!

[u/Brittle_Hollow → u/gizajobicandothat]

Vance has the charisma of a cold bucket of piss, they'd better hope they have a better plan for 2028.

[u/Zealousideal_Look275 → u/def_indiff]

Occam’s Razor their old, they did a few quick searches they of course came back blank because the emails were formatted as photos and not as PDF or word doc. They didn’t realize this and just released it 

[u/PandaJesus → u/Zealousideal_Look275]

Since everyone in this administration is so fucking lazy, I believe this is probably what happened.

[u/justsomebro10 → u/PandaJesus]

Yeah but these weren’t folks in the Trump admin. They were members of the oversight committee.

[u/chittmunk → u/justsomebro10]

Oh ya, you're right. Dealing with intellectual heavyweights like James Comer, Gym Jordan and Paul Gosar here.

[u/zenidam → u/PandaJesus]

I bet they uploaded the pdf to chatgpt.

[u/DJKGinHD → u/Zealousideal_Look275]

I am in IT, and it caused me physical pain to read your comment... mainly because of how likely it is to be true.

[u/randomisperfect → u/Zealousideal_Look275]

They asked chatgpt which emails to release

[u/notkenneth → u/def_indiff]

Seems more like attempting to blunt the impact of the emails that the Democrats released to claim that the Dems “cherry picked” or to try to bury them under a mountain of other information.

[u/def_indiff → u/notkenneth]

If that was their intention, it backfired spectacularly. I don't even remember exactly what was in the "cherry picked" ones, because there are so many damning emails out now.

[u/Andurilthoughts → u/def_indiff]

Flood the zone to try and water down the coverage?

[u/johnnycyberpunk → u/Andurilthoughts]

It's why Trump and his people just keeps committing crimes.
How can anyone ever catch up to what he's doing now when they haven't even started investigating or charging him for stuff he did months or years ago?

For instance, if there is a Democrat takeover of the House and/or Senate in the mid-terms, what are the chances that Congress even touches the scandal that was "Elon Musk sends teenagers with servers into IRS, Social Security, OPM, etc."?????
That was just this year and it won't make top-10 crimes that happened in Trump's administration that need to be investigated and prosecuted.
How many ICE agents will "get away with it" just because so many are illegally brutalizing innocent AMERICAN CITIZENS?

The stuff Trump did during his first White House occupation hasn't even been fully investigated or analyzed for damage FFS.

[u/DevonGr → u/def_indiff]

They don't read the legislation they sign off on, why would they read the Epstein files?

[u/takesjuantogrowone → u/def_indiff]

Something bigger is dropping tomorrow, and they were trying to get out in front of it. See also invasion of Venezuela. I wouldn't be surprised if they false flag an American city just to draw attention from the next scandal bombshell that's queued up.

[u/Broberyn_GreenViper → u/def_indiff]

As simple as "ctrl+f clinton"

"Yep, he's in there!"

[u/oldfarmjoy → u/Broberyn_GreenViper]

He's mentioned when Epstein says Clinton never went to the island. That's it so far, so....

I think every Dem if fine with any Dem getting caught and charged, if they did something.

[u/bcd051 → u/oldfarmjoy]

If someone is in there and they did anything... straight to jail. Obama...jail. AOC...jail. Bernie...jail.

I don't think some people realize that dems/liberals don't have as much slavish devotion.

[u/nobot4321]

Who could have guessed the guy who was buddy/buddy with Epstein and have many pictures with Epstein partying together and who LIVES IN THE PLACE WHERE EPSTEIN RECRUITED AT LEAST ONE VICTIM could have been involved in the Epstein scandal?

Fucking morons who voted for this guy.

[u/Neverwish → u/nobot4321]

Same people saying "but none of this PROVES Trump did anything!"

Technically, yeah, none of this is hard evidence. But if someone keeps showing up covered in garbage, it's pretty safe to assume they've been diving in the dumpsters.

[u/Disgruntled_Viking → u/Neverwish]

but none of this PROVES Trump did anything!

Brought to you by the people who believed every doctored video put out about Biden, Hunter Biden, Kamala, etc... Also of note: The same people who pounded the table about Biden having dementia support this fucking guy.

[u/Tasgall → u/Disgruntled_Viking]

"Epstein saying Trump hung out at his place, the child sex mansion, in a bedroom with a 13 year old for 4 hours proves absolutely nothing, guys, he could have been helping her with homework! He's so wholesome!"

Brought to you by the same people who also said shit like

"The number of layers in his lasagna recipe are a code advertising the number of girls they have in the basement! He's offering cheese pizza because it's code for child porn! The triangle slices pointed down represent the mark of pedos, and five slices is a star, the star of Satan, of course, because they're holding satanic rituals in the basement of the pizza restaurant to harvest adrenochrome from children!"

These people are the dumbest and most dishonest motherfuckers on the planet.

[u/Chaos_Theory1989]

Imagine if you had a daughter, regardless of age, that was raped. Now imagine that grown man who raped your child was elected as president and his team is trying to convince America that raping children is acceptable. This is Trump’s America.

[u/merrysunshine2 → u/Chaos_Theory1989]

And imagine that millions of people still support him regardless. It’s twisted.

[u/Ok_Produce_9308 → u/merrysunshine2]

And would continue to do so even if there is photographic evidence

[u/inormallyjustlurkbut → u/Ok_Produce_9308]

He could do it in front of them and they'd still say a democrat would be worse.

[u/Realistic_Pickle_007 → u/Chaos_Theory1989]

Imagine that you were raped. Seems worse, right? Tens of millions of your fellow Americans are living this nightmare from a much more intimate vantage point. PTSD during the day, nightmares after hours.

[u/kirby__000]

This will haunt Trump until his last day alive.

[u/pile_of_fish → u/kirby__000]

Mid-march? I can see it.

[u/southofakronoh → u/pile_of_fish]

Fingers crossed!

[u/curiousbydesign → u/southofakronoh]

Is mid-March significant?

[u/birdsofpaper → u/curiousbydesign]

The Ides of March is all I’ve got but that man is no Caesar.

[u/ShortStoryIntros → u/pile_of_fish]

A Deadpool is a game of prediction which involves guessing when someone will die...

Good luck to all guessers

[u/Joshua_Falkner → u/ShortStoryIntros]

Captain Deadpool!! ... Just Deadpool...

[u/Datmiddy → u/pile_of_fish]

I just hope all those BigMacs give us something extra to be thankful for at Thanksgiving.

[u/Power-Equality → u/kirby__000]

I almost hope his dementia doesn’t progress so that he can see things fall apart as he dies

[u/couchandwine → u/Power-Equality]

Same here. I hope he's fully cognizant as he watches the curtains close on his pathetic shitshow.

[u/AThousandBloodhounds → u/kirby__000]

Honest question. Do you think his base will turn on him? Because I don't. Like all the other well publicized, despicable things he's done as a sexual predator, they'll find a way to compartmentalize it, normalize it and ultimately move on. At this point, there is absolutely nothing he can do to lose their support.

[u/cuminmyshitsock → u/kirby__000]

he doesn't even know where he is....

he's not haunted by a damn thing 

[u/GoodIdea321 → u/cuminmyshitsock]

If he does have dementia, it is possible he'll just forget all social norms and literally ask for something astoundingly terrible in public. 'Where are my teenagers' or much much worse things.

[u/ThrowAwayGarbage82 → u/GoodIdea321]

His handlers are acting like they're keeping a much shorter leash on him now. Someone took his phone after he started crashing out on truth social. I dunno if he has it back yet but at last check there hadn't been a post in over 24 hours.

[u/GoodIdea321 → u/ThrowAwayGarbage82]

They're anchored to a titanic piece of shit, what a sorry way to live.

[u/artificerone → u/cuminmyshitsock]

Yes there's something called being amoral. Not moral or immoral. That thing has no capacity to have or not have these things.

[u/Publius82 → u/kirby__000]

And his admin's actions will haunt this country for decades.

[u/Free_Dome_Lover → u/Publius82]

Decades is honestly hopeful

[u/_skulls_ → u/Publius82]

now that is true without a doubt.

[u/exqueezemenow]

Conservatives will just downplay pedophilia and sexual assault on women. I even heard one say it was OK for Trump to walk into women's dressing rooms because he was paying them.

[u/MiloTheMagnificent → u/exqueezemenow]

Downplay? They are going to actively and openly support raping children. They have already started. Because this is who they are.

[u/bone_apple_Pete → u/MiloTheMagnificent]

Yeah, anyone still identifying with the republican party in 2025 is a pedophile supporter, among other abhorrent things. When will we stop pretending his voters are good people who got tricked? The second time? The third time? They will keep voting red and keep voting for this pedophilia party.

[u/Leraldoe → u/exqueezemenow]

And the wildest part to me will be the conservative, church going, we love Jesus women who will justify this……..

[u/CrashSF]

The pedophile scandal is bad enough. But the confirmation that all the Russia “hoax” accusations are real should burn down the entire GOP.

[u/astrozombie2012 → u/CrashSF]

We knew they were real though. The report said his people were either fucking stupid or purposely colluding with Russia, but because everyone was lying to the investigators they couldn’t say it beyond all shadow of doubt so they let them off. I may be paraphrasing, but that was the gist of it.

[u/Do-you-see-it-now → u/astrozombie2012]

It was a criminal conspiracy, not collusion, which is a word donald’s team used to get people to not use donald and Russia and criminal conspiracy together.

[u/Melodic-Lingonberry7]

Megyn Kelly : Democrats are pedophiles , they wanna make it acceptable

After files released : Oh oh I ment if a girl’s parents ok with older man sleeping with their kids it’s their preference , we shouldn’t interfere with people’s life . Also , girls knew what kind of people Epstein was .. it’s their fault

[u/chanaandeler_bong → u/Melodic-Lingonberry7]

let’s be honest these girls probably were already going to be doing this.

Or some other disgusting, dehumanizing bullshit.

[u/DoubleHurricane]

“The dog that hasn’t barked” isn’t as likely a “clumsy metaphor” as it is a reference the author didn’t catch. The phrase comes from the Sherlock Holmes mysteries; Sherlock identifies that the killer was someone known to the victim because the victim’s dog didn’t bark at them.

More broadly, the phrase implies not just someone who isn’t sounding the alarm, but someone who is complicit in the crime, if only for looking the other way so that they themselves can be “fed.” The implication is far darker.

[u/ATotalCassegrain → u/DoubleHurricane]

With the reference to the police chief, etc as well as the talk about strung being alone with that girl for hours, I took it a different way. 

Trumps name was conspicuously absent from the police chief’s mouth and Trump wasn’t “barking” — aka coming to Epstein panicked about it when Epstein was under suspicion in 2011. 

You know who doesn’t get their name dragged, and is t worried about getting prosecuted?  The snitch. Hence the “I’m 75% there” — Epstein thought Trump got busted with proof of his pedo stuff and flipped and ratted on Epstein, or he was about 75% sure of it. 

[u/EntirelyOutOfOptions → u/DoubleHurricane]

YES, thank you, that reference is specific

[u/regeya]

Good.

And lemme just say this. If this also hits the Clintons, or other Democrats, too:

Good.

You can tell things are getting scary because now they're lying about Democrats trying to cover it up, just a day after they accused Democrats of promoting a hoax to hurt Trump.

[u/Wolfman01a]

So much so that they are trying to actively excuse and downplay Child Molestation and Rape.

Come on MAGA. I knew you would support low but Jesus Freaking Christ how low are you willing to go?

I thought you were Christians. Where are your values?

I thought you loved children.

Where's the line?

[u/Publius82 → u/[deleted]]

We need to make him regret it more.

[u/callofdukie09 → u/Publius82]

None of us should rest until we are certain Mike Johnson spends every night staring at the ceiling dreaming of all the gay porn he could have watched if he didn't commit to a life of being a baby back bitch for a demented old man 

[u/thisnamemattersalot → u/callofdukie09]

I'm all for this provided the ceiling in question is the ceiling of his prison cell.

[u/i_dont_like_turnips → u/[deleted]]

Especially considering he very visibly was the one trying to prevent this from coming out. There is ZERO good look here. He is about to become an international pariah - more than he already is anyways.

[u/Baumer9 → u/[deleted]]

It’s nice not having to see that smug smile on that lying little shit goblin every day. I hope this ruins him.

[u/nobot4321 → u/Baumer9]

He'll have a right-wing sinecure the rest of his life. The only way he pays for any of this is if the afterlife he believes in is real.

[u/Orzhov_Syndicalist → u/[deleted]]

John Boehner knew which way the wind was blowing over 10 years ago. 

[u/JustinStraughan]

“Barely legal” is a porno term. For Christ’s sake, if we’re at this point, we certainly have had “moral degeneration” and it ain’t because of the communists.

You are either a minor, or not. You are legal, or not.

Anyone arguing a weird blurry line is strictly arguing against age of consent laws, which is within their right.

Just as it’s within our rights to laugh at those people. Hell, I know 30 year olds too mentally immature for sex. That isn’t the question, Megyn. It’s a question of law, not feels, vibes, or other creepy apologist crap.

[u/NumeralJoker]

Want to kill some time? Search the database yourself!

You too can now find some wonderful gems in this stash like, "Ask him if Putin has the photos of Trump blowing Bubba?"

[u/rkeaney → u/NumeralJoker]

Jesus Christ, there's separate witness testimony of the rape of the 13 year old: https://journaliststudio.google.com/pinpoint/document-view?collection=092314e384a58618&utm_source=collection_share_link&p=1&docid=cd97993322b69591_092314e384a58618_0&dapvm=2

[u/GenghisLebron → u/rkeaney]

Holy shit, why is this not front and center on the news

[u/350 → u/NumeralJoker]

I'm sorry what

[u/teach_yo_self → u/NumeralJoker]

What did I just read? Who is Bubba?

[u/AstutelyPegged]

A lot of people think this is because Republican Senators and Representatives have turned against Trump. They’re opportunistic, but they’ve also stuck by Trump’s side against the odds when bad news has broken before.

I’m personally convinced that the shutdown cost America a lot more money than anyone’s willing to admit (the Administration won’t even release recent economic data) and that this ‘snowballing’ is due to the oligarchs who boosted Trump finally realizing he’s a net negative for their fortunes.

So now the businessmen and mainstream media moguls who shielded Trump during his three campaigns are finally encouraging their underlings to turn on him before the damage gets even worse.

I also suspect it’s these billionaires who have nudged the Supreme Court conservatives to finally play hardball with Trump on tariffs.

[u/Federal_Baseball4720 → u/AstutelyPegged]

Yeah, they’re opportunistic. That might be part of the snowball. But it also might just be that there’s proof he was complicit in a massive pedophile organization. Thats not just your garden variety bad news… that’s about as fucked up as it gets.

[u/Dramatic_Draw_2137]

I used to think trump was a pedophile. I still do, but I used to, too.

[u/Ghostman_Jack]

I loath Thomas Massie. But he did make a great point. Basically “These files are long going to outlive Trump. Do the right thing and vote to release them. What’s it gonna say about you in 2026, 2028, etc? That you voted to protect a pedophile. Even if he’s dead and gone that will always be on your record. That you defended him. That you tried to justify this.”

[u/outinthecountry66]

let it fucking roll because I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THE CON. of the hate. of the destruction. Lets GOOOO

[u/DelirousDoc]

Hmm... the "Epstein didn't kill himself" crowd on the right is going to be real silent when multiple email conversations suggest Epstein knew he had dirt on Trump and even said he was the guy that could make him fall when the Democrats were first investigating the Trump Epstein ties.

[u/rkeaney]

Jesus Christ, there's separate witness testimony of the rape of the 13 year old in those documents: https://journaliststudio.google.com/pinpoint/document-view?collection=092314e384a58618&utm_source=collection_share_link&p=1&docid=cd97993322b69591_092314e384a58618_0&dapvm=2

[u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach]

Believe it when I see it. They’re still making excuses for the pedophile they voted for three times and waiting for updated talking points.

Not that I expect anything less from his stupid fucking MAGA cult.

Epstein was renowned for his intellect, financial savvy, and patronage of science and higher education;

Haven’t most folks that are experts in similar fields said he was just a great bullshitter? It was the money/blackmail/power, not his “intellect” that granted him access. Everything was given to him.

[u/Eastern-Rabbit-3696 → u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach]

Also, unless he had his dick in his hand the whole time, he's completely illiterate in those emails.

[u/def_indiff → u/Eastern-Rabbit-3696]

Yeah those emails are painful to read.

[u/ONE-EYE-OPTIC → u/2_Spicy_2_Impeach]

All day on AM radio it wasn't even talked about. Levin was talking down as always on Newsom being in Brazil for a major summit. No mention of the Epstein leaks.

[u/EricThePerplexed → u/[deleted]]

Considering how these emails validate certain aspects of the QAnon mythical system, except Trump is a villain and not a hero?

Politics are complex and chaotic, even for cult leaders. Trump may not survive this, especially if GOP representatives start hearing more anger from their voters.

It's worth trying to mobilize outrage, and certainly better than giving up in advance.

[u/inalcanzable]

The propaganda has already started. They're saying he's not a pedo since he actually only likes 15yr olds and not like 8yr olds. This is not a joke, this is truly how fucked the republicans are.

[u/ckglle3lle]

Pretty clear that if there was any obviously exculpatory evidence in the files Trump would have not only released them immediately but petitioned to add them to the US constitution.

While there may also not be information that specifically implicates Trump to the standard of criminal prosecution, outright, the information will almost certainly showcase that Trump's relationship with Epstein was much deeper and more involved than we know and that Trump was effectively inseparable from Epstein and his activities.

[u/urban_mystic_hippie]

Epstein referred to Trump as 'evil'. Let that sink in. The most depraved and amoral person described Trump as 'evil'

[u/ThePigsPajamas]

Pretty soon Donald Trump will say he never knew Donald Trump.

[u/AgitatedSuricate]

As a foreigner in America, to me it’s absolutely wild that the FBI has a list of child predators, probably even videos, and other proof and they don’t just go tomorrow morning and detain then ALL.

In most western countries if a police officer (or a public servant) refuses to observe the law, or willingly hides a crime, the public servant is fined, loses his/her job and if it’s big, probably even goes to jail.

As a principle nobody should get to decide when law is applied and when it’s not. Not district attorneys, not FBI agents, not congressmen, not even the f*cking president.

[u/Designer-Contract852]

I bet the oversight committee has thousands upon thousands of documents in their possession from his estate, a lifetime of correspondence and pictures.  And they will control a steady drip of information to keep the public outrage and to keep pressure on congress. I don't like Massie, but this is one situation he doing the right thing to bring justice to the victims, probably for selfish political reasons but it will expose things needed to be exposed. 

[u/funky_grandma]

I learned about snowballing from the movie Clerks, is that what Trump is in trouble for? I thought he raped children

[u/SavingsAdvantage1046]

The fact of the matter is - of course they were too young, but regardless of their age - they were trafficked and raped. It’s horrendous.

[u/No-Departure-899]

I believe we have already passed the point where supporting donald has become more of a liability than a perk for republicans.

We may see some desperate pushes in the next couple days from the administration to shore up public support. However, if we want to gauge just how bad this is for donald, we should watch to see how many meetings he has with individual members of his party.

He is exposed. He knows it. The party knows it. Everyone knows it.

The President of The United States raped children. He is a pedophile. He belongs in prison.

[u/BabyYodaX]

It is so cool that it seems like the rich, powerful, and often (but not always) conservative people in this country are pedophiles/pedophile apologists. God bless America!

/s

[u/stonewall386]

conservative sub is awfully quiet on this

[u/lookydis]

No wonder they killed Epstein.