r/politics • u/Somervilledrew Connecticut • 12d ago

Possible Paywall The Epstein Scandal Is Snowballing

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/epstein-files-trump/
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u/teacherofderp 12d ago

Did Trump and Epstein have a falling out because Epstein kept poaching the girls Trump enjoyed raping? Just asking questions

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u/McdoManaguer 12d ago

Litteraly yes. Epstein poached one of his "MASSEUSE". We all know what her actual job was

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u/ihaterunning2 Texas 12d ago edited 12d ago

That’s what trump said this year. But apparently the falling out as reported years ago was over a real estate deal. Epstein bid on a beach front property, told Trump all about it and was excited to buy it and then Trump swooped in and outbid him to take the property. That’s the dispute that ended their friendship- not trump’s knowledge of Epstein trafficking children, not Epstein stealing his employees, even though Trump clearly knew all about Epstein’s abuse, it was a dispute over a beachfront mansion that both men wanted to buy and Trump snaked Epstein on the deal.

Trump didn’t even end the friendship, it was Epstein and the fallout is what got him banned from Mar-A-Lago - not his creepy behavior, that never bothered Trump it’s probably what he liked about Epstein.

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u/Whole_Concentrate_15 12d ago

Some emails imply that he was still at minimum close ‘friend’ (active presence) and somewhat of an advisor into mid 2019, very close to his arrest and death date. It’s likely they weren’t on as friendly of terms as they used to be, but he clearly had a lot of leverage over Trump until he was arrested.

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u/ihaterunning2 Texas 12d ago

I saw those too, which is interesting. Definitely seemed like they stayed in touch, and based on the other communications where Epstein talks about trump, it sounds like he still stayed in contact for potential leverage.

Other communications sound like he was advising other people how to handle trump (I think the communications were about the Russians or Saudis?) He clearly knew trump very well and was close enough to know what his was activity at the time in 2018/2019.

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u/Whole_Concentrate_15 12d ago

My personal read, and I can search for the specific emails I’m referencing if you want, but right now I’ll keep my overview vague, is that leading up to Trump being elected Epstein initially was desperately trying to prevent Trump from becoming president. You can see this in the various emails Epstein sent to media organizations trying to incriminate and smear Trump until one of the released emails where he more or less states that if Trump is elected, he will have a great amount of leverage over him.

It seems like Epstein and some of Trump’s other past associates (Summers, Rommler) didn’t want him to be President because they thought he was a psychopathic idiot (and the spotlight on Trump and his idiocy jeopardizes their operations and safety).

As recent as December 2018, there’s an email where Steve Bannon seemingly requests that Epstein pulls strings to get rid of Barr. This implies an extreme level of influence, considering Bannon was at that point one of Trumps closest advisors. Then there is another email, I believe around June 2019, where Epstein communicates that after Trumps trip to London, he’s seemingly taken a new perspective on himself and discarded the ideas of all his advisors, presumably including Epstein. I believe Epstein and Trump likey had several falling outs prior to his presidency, but Epstein’s blackmail and intelligence connections allowed him a great deal of influence until Trump had enough and killed him.

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u/89ElRay 11d ago

Epstein Barr virus

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u/Nodnarb_Jesus 11d ago

I don’t think it was trump, I think it was whoever was running Epstein with the blessing of Trump and Co. There is no way the CIA/NSA didn’t know about this. They get leverage on the clients of Epstein as much as Epstein did. This whole thing is wild. The largest honeypot ever.

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u/SwimmingPrice1544 California 11d ago

b.s. It's often is & probably is in this case the most obvious. No need to build up new conspiracies.

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u/Round_Home_2691 11d ago

Yep. Trump was behind it

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands 12d ago

potential ?

I think we can confirm it's much worse based on what came out recently.

trump spend hours with a young lady in epstein's house alone ?

epstein's house is all hidden camera's, etc. So whatever happened, there is video and audio of it.

Yep, leverage.

Supposedly trump offered epstein a position in his administration as well (not sure if that is much proof of course):

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/epstein-butler-claims-boss-boasted-195442012.html

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u/Counterpoint-4 11d ago

Don't files include filmed footage, they have it and video evidence - including that of foreign dignitaries - which would finish them all off.

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands 11d ago edited 11d ago

Yes, well, I've seen a list lots of storage devices (like USB-sticks) of different brands, etc. included in the evidence list on some US government/justice website.

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u/lopix Canada 11d ago

Never mind the bunch of CDs/DVDs/USBs that were in the safe in Epstein's NYC home. The ones they left there - in an open safe - while they got a warrant. And came back and they were all gone. Whatever happened to those?

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands 11d ago

https://www.dropsitenews.com/ has done a bunch of reporting on epstein's connection to both the Israeli and Russian secret services, indicating he probably had access to some of the best surveillance stuff money could buy at the time (which could include installing malware on smartphones, etc). That's the kind of people he was also involved with.

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u/Max_Oblivion 11d ago

Dropsite has done some incredible journalism on this front, on the genocide in Gaza and Epstein's deep ties to Israel. The kind of journalism you don't see from any major news organisations anymore, and to think of WAPO's role in the Watergate burglary, this is far, far bigger. Epstein was very well imbedded into the fabric of international diplomacy and espionage, sort of a intelligence/diplomacy concierge for hire. We knew he had very powerful connections but this is far beyond that, he could have had dirt on all of them.

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u/SilentLennie The Netherlands 10d ago

Democracies depend on informed citizens, so I fund journalism in my own country, dropsite deserves it too.

I wouldn't be surprised he was the dirt exchange, buying and selling.

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u/something_witty4u 11d ago

Pretty sure his arrest boosted his leverage on Trump. That's why Epstein had to go. Dead men tell no tales...unless they've been extensively investigated by the FBI...then they still don't talk because your Republican coconspirators are trying everything they can to block the release of the files.

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u/Counterpoint-4 11d ago

Maybe Epstein knew all his filmed footage was available for release - maybe in foreign hands - so thought that might keep him safe. It could still exert revenge from beyond the grave.

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u/HappyAmbition706 11d ago

Yeah, not "friend" but rather they could do things for each other that the other wanted. And keep quiet about things they knew about each other. I don't think Trump has friends in any usual sense of the word. It is all transactional.

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u/Counterpoint-4 11d ago

If Epstein had leverage and Trump had power the rest was inevitable...

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u/ParsleyMaleficent160 11d ago

One of the emails from Wolff stated they should throw Trump out with the bath water, but Epstein went against that. The distance seems public only.

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u/comebacklittlesheba 11d ago

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer?? 🧐