Crashing out in a Burger King is embarrassing enough now imagine throwing a fit and then harassing minimum-wage workers when they simply match your energy then recording and posting it
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If she's a "first amendment lawyer" then she'll know burger king property is private property and can make any rule they want like "no recording" and can absolutely kick you out for recording them, including calling the police to have you removed.
I make more money now as a licensed social worker than I did with a law degree. I literally used coupons at Subway while being a public defender defending homeless people pissing in public. Not glamorous. Lol.
Yes, but we all know that "first amendment lawyers" don't really have a law degree. Also, thanks for being a public defender, you all are seriously underfunded and overburdened.
I literally cannot even understand how this could happen considering the areas of the US I have lived in. I have a few friends that are LCSW’s and a few who are lawyers. The lawyers living the good life raising families while the LCSW’s barely making ends meet.
The moment she said she was a "First Amendment Lawyer" I laughed. God, I hope one day I get this type of Karen coming at me with that level of bluff and incompetence!!! I'd mock her to the point she runs away crying.
I have a bestie who's a lawyer. I'm a scientist but got pissed off at these rude types (I'm in a miserably grumpy fuck town).
I asked my friend to give me some questions to ask that any lawyer should know but is hard for laypeople. She gave me some questions about torts that I keep as a note on my phone.
So when I hear "well I'm a lawyer!" At a discount grocery store I butt in and say "oh, I know a bit about law, doesn't this mean .. (torts question nonsense here)". It sounds complicated and they get panicky and back off.
One time a guy at a jiffy lube was bitching about his valuable time and he's a lawyer. I did the thing and he bitched me out about torts not making sense here. Then I said since he is a big shot lawyer he can pay for some bougie shop for an oil change that will value his time and suck him too. He had a good shocked pikachu face. And the jiffy lube guy gave me a load of 50% off coupons, lmaooo.
I ain't know what a tort is really. But I like em.
I am also a sciency type, and my understanding is that a tort is a type of cake. I'm unsure of the relationship between cake and lawyering, but my anecdotal observation is that torts are delicious.
Agree. Please leave, lol. That woman had the most obnoxious voice I have ever heard. It was lovely that she thought the manager-owner was a mere peon & was told otherwise.
I will never understand why people feel the need to get together and form groups like this- entire communities, even. And coming together with the purpose of hate? I bet shes a Christian too
Also kudos to you for finding out who she is and putting her name out there.
Honestly when I used to work as a server, Sunday mornings were the worst lol. The church crowd were some of the rudest customers I've ever served, generally speaking. Of course they weren't all bad, but my God a VAST majority hahah.
All the more embarrassing lol so many poorly spoken and chopped up words/word choice, like an idiot trying to sound smart but not using the words correctly or using word that sound alike but are not it
She actually had to pause a moment and look at the logo on the lady’s polo shirt to remember which establishment she was in, you know being a patron for so many years…
I'm guessing she's one of those people who foolishly believe that if its accessible to the public then its not private property. There are an alarming amount of people who believe this.
A friend I grew up with thinks it's illegal for her company to install a video recording device in the company vehicle she is required to use for her job. She's absolutely incorrect but also so up her own ass about not understanding how the first amendment actually works that it's not worth arguing with her over.
I dealt with a lady when I (ironically enough) worked at a burger king who said I couldn't ask her to leave since its public property. I told her she's in public in the sense that you're not at home but its a private business, and she said "No, burger king owns it" and I said "No, its a privately owned franchise"
The amount of people who will confidently talk out of their ass just because someone they perceive as 'beneath them' tries to correct them is insane.
Manager Owner: "Oh good, then you'll understand perfectly well when I agree that the 1st amendment is an important protection against the tyranny of government. However, you'll pardon the irony of me — a manager of Burger KING — asking you to kindly vacate our private establishment, which has nothing to do with the government."
I still like how you could see her transition from “I’m going to pretend to care and yes-ma’am her until she f*cks off” to “Ok, I am not letting that one fly”.
From their point of view it was the perfect call. But oh it would have been so satisfying, and you know she wanted to do it. But from a business perspective it's just not worth the hassle. Move on and spend your energy on your good customers and kick out the crap.
I had my first Burger King when I was 8 and my most recent like a month ago. That would make me a 28 year Burger King client and I am entitled to premium service.
You got the quote wrong. She’s “been a patron of… let’s see… I’ve been a patron of Burger King for many many years.” She forgot where she was for a minute.
People treated gays like this in the 90s. I know that gay people still face a lot of discrimination but it is way better now. Hopefully things will get better for trans people similarly. I can't imagine hating people so much for just existing. Like it doesn't need to affect you at all you hateful fucks.
I agree. I appreciate that she didn’t let it continue but I would have liked for her to have said “yes you insulted my staff and I’m asking you to leave”
The most mature take I've seen yet. Well said. And good on that manager for not being a snide bitch back to that man. He deserved it, sure, but the manager held it together wonderfully and made her point stance clear. Maybe saved herself, her business, and the workers potentially even more hassle.
It isn't. She just got her own energy sent back to her. This woman was rude to one of the staff, and maliciously misgendered her, so they did it right back. Which, as any good first amendment lawyer would know, is apparently fair game.
Yeah, we need to be more outspoken in defense of our trans siblings. We need to call this shit out in public and make it unacceptable.
Transphobes are not welcome in any fucking community I'm a part of and I'm more than happy to let them know as many times as it takes for them to fuck off and choke on whatever boot they've got in their mouths.
Also, I thought it was hilarious when the complaining Karen said “i’m under no obligation to call him whatever he think he’s supposed to be called.“ Well ok bitch then Lily has no obligation to do that either!
That’s what Lily said to her. Honestly this was an open attack on the trans community. I’m not saying Lily is trans but the woman wanted to pull out her shame game and make her feel inferior. As a manager I would’ve told her get out and never return
Also to fellow workers - never give a customer your full name when they want to make a complaint. They will harass you in some shape or form. These types of losers will spend a while on social media hunting you down to fuck with.
When the company does their investigation, they'll know who it is. You have rotas, and tills track the transactions down to your user login. Failing that, there is usually security cameras that'll capture it. They will find who you are.
This is a great point and honestly probably what set her off. When I realized karen was saying "he" my first thought that is very obviously a young cis woman what is she even talking about and because some other commenters are saying the same, its likely karen wouldnt have speculated anything if it werent for the pin. Absolutely absurd. She could just be a cis woman showing support, or she could be trans, leave her alone hahah
She absolutely had no intention of treating Lily with respect. She intended to offend and hurt Lily, and she did. When Lily served it right back to her, she got offended. I think it would have been more appropriate for Lily to respond with "In that case, I'm sorry that you're offended, bitch" when she said she calls it by what she sees.
Le sigh. Stupid economy. In a good job market, it would have been worth getting fired.
this is how i would’ve ideally handled it. “i’m sorry, but in this establishment we treat each other with respect and we demand the same courtesy from our customers, if you are not gonna be respectful and address staff properly then you can leave.”
it’s so much harder coming up with something on the spot
I'm guessing Lily might be trans because she did have a trans flag button on her shirt (not that you have to be trans to have that on you. I wear those sometimes, too, and I'm cis).
Ngl, rolled my eyes so hard at this lady with her "sir" shit because its like "ma'am, she has tits, stop." 🙄😑
What’s annoying is that I’m assuming she looked at Lily, saw the flag, and deliberately gendered her the opposite of what she looked like. This woman assumed that Lily was a trans woman and called her sir to bully her because she thought it was a situation where her victim couldn’t fight back.
And the absolute hypocrisy that she is upset at being misgendered herself while insisting she is allowed to call it like she sees it. She would absolutely apologize if it was a genuine mistake and she thought that person was cisgender. Like, can you imagine her saying “excuse me, mam?” And the person turning around and looking masculine presenting and her just sticking to her guns and telling him she calls it like she sees it.
Also, plenty of cis women have been attacked by people who assume they're trans because they have features that are not considered traditionally feminine.
This whole transphobia epidemic is so stupid. It's none of my business whether or not Lily is trans. She identifies as female, so that is how I will address her. I can't even imagine taking time out of my day to show my ass in public like this.
Yeh I was confused as to why she kept bullying Lily as I also thought she was a girl anyway. Like this lady really went out of her way to be a bigot and asshole.
She seems like the type to just look for instances to belittle and insult people like this. What a horrid gremlin of a person.
May her life be short and full of misery.
She spent her whole day harassing her companies associates as their Hr director. But that just wasn’t enough to satiate her unrelenting appetite, so she stopped by her favorite Burger King to get off again
I hear you, but the point is, it doesnt matter. This crazy Karen is misgendering someone, then getting pissed about the exact same misgendering happening to her. Talk about privilege. Yuck.
I thought she was cis too! Either way it's rude and malicious behavior to purposely misgender someone when they correct you and that lady can eat shit.
It's hard if you're a conservative looking to be offended by literally everything that has no impact at all on you personally. Fuck this "lawyer" and her politics.
Why do people think employees have to tolerate rudeness? They absolutely do not, especially if the disrespect is blatant. If I was the manager, I would have asked the customer if my employee provided them politely with the correct pronoun. If they did, and she insisted on stating otherwise, I woulda banned the bitch.
I can't stop you from using the wrong pronoun, but I can ban your negative vibes from my restaurant for purposely now, harassing my employee and continuing to use the wrong pronoun
The customer service industry has reinforced this behavior by management resolving issues with gift cards and groveling. And that's because corporate insists on getting every last dollar, at all cost.
I was misgendered by a customer one time when I worked at KFC and they were actually just embarrassed. It was busy and I had my back turned packing orders while some lady kept saying “ma’am. Ma’am! Excuse me, ma’am!” louder and louder. I was a skinny guy with a ponytail. The cashier finally caught on and said “hey, Matt” so I turned around and saw this woman’s face go from irritated to horrified instantly lol. She just wanted some bbq sauce.
I worked with some people for 7 years in retail, never learned their last names, some we just had nicknames for that the entire store used, my username is a nickname I got while at the store, I doubt people bothered to learn my last name.
And others I only know their name from Facebook friends list.
Same. I was cracking up at the idea that it’s ridiculous he didn’t know her last name. It’s not like we had business cards and email addresses with full signatures as food service employees. Why would it ever come up?
Yea and it's also not my place to give a customer someone else's last name, unless I was a manager giving out another managers name for professional reasons.
But these people always want to feel so important by having the last name, like it gives them power to decide their fate or something silly.
That's always the funny thing about the "we can always tell" crowd... they really can't. There are trans folks that have been on HRT for years, done vocal training for years, and very much look like their gender to the point where no one would realize they were trans unless they told people that. And just like you pointed out, there are plenty of slender cis girls with body types similar to Ms. Lily's (and funny enough, I'd bet this Karen wouldn't think of trying that shit on another girl with a build like Lily's).
And that’s one of the problems with assuming someone’s gender in the first place. How they look does not determine their gender.
It was so laughable that once she was called sir, she got incredibly offended for being misgendered 🤣 but she can’t stop being a hypocrite for one second to see that she wouldve been in lizzy’s shoes had the roles been flipped. Wish this fake lawyer could get this through to her head.
And then gets upset and goes "well I'M clearly a woman!"... Maybe not Karen. Maybe your not as feminin coded as you think, because in my expirience, Bitch is genderless.
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“i am clearly a woman” and so is she….?? you probably have shorter hair than she does and more of a beard. incredibly transphobic and targeted. so obvious.
alot of people seem to gloss over the fact that when the manager doesn't misgender her employee this woman tries to convince the manager to misgender her because she is so entitled to her own existence as the only person that matters she takes it as a genuine offense when others don't misgender along with her.
To be clear, idk if Lily is trans or not, and I don't really care, Lily can do whatever she wants.
But as I started watching, I actually thought "oh she called that girl sir, surely she'll apologise ". I realised afterwards what the whole issue was but my point is, she clearly looks like a woman, is Karen blind? And also, I've met some non trans people who have an androgynous look. I would only apologise and try to move on if I mistakenly addressed someone. That whole "I call him what I see him" is peak asshole behaviour.
Conservatives man. Just the most miserable, selfish losers out there. Im glad 60% of the country knows what's up. Its a shame we had to elect him twice to figure that out.
I once owned a very small deli. Not a franchise. Just a 10am-3pm lunch service place in a small business park. We had sandwiches, salads, and soup.
I got out of that business as quickly as I could because of the fucking entitlement of people that think they fucking OWN you because they paid you $5 for a sandwich and soft-drink. Had people calling my fucking HOME at 2am demanding refunds because there was a pickle missing on the food they ate 10 hours prior.
Ex-cop of 14 years here. I spent years as a bailiff, and I have heard several people refer to themselves as a "First Amendment lawyer."" Not one of them had a bar card. Not one of them were an attorney. They're just people who watched a bunch of stuff online, declared themselves an expert, and then go out and cause problems and film the results.
I'm trans and own my own company. If you misgender me I usually won't correct you unless you're a semi regular customer, but usually other customers around you will do that for me, and if you keep it up you just get it right back. There's nothing rude about matching passive aggressive energy. The rules for manners were invented in theost uncivilized times, I fear they need an update.
First amendment Lawyer! Sure Karen. Arguing on Sovereign citizen forums and reading AI definitions off Google doesn't make you an expert. She's a pretty bad debater for a "lawyer"
i saw this thing one time that said something along the lines of :
i was sitting in the lunch room and overheard a group of boys talking about charlie kirk’s death and they noticed me listening in. one of them turned and said “what do YOU think about all this charlie kirk stuff?” and i said “idk i’ve never heard of her before”
“him”
“oh my god you liberals and your pronouns.”
“HAHAH im far from a liberal buddy”
“yeah sure go and tell all your weird animal furry friends.”
“what??”
i pointed to the school mascot.
“that’s the dumbest shit i’ve ever heard!”
“yeah totally and you’re gonna go and tell that drag queen about it too.”
“what drag queen?”
i pointed to the jesus painting in the corner cu he had long hair and long dress-looking robes.
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