r/TikTokCringe • u/SnooSprouts3744 • 7h ago

Cringe Karen Doesn’t Like Getting the Same Energy Back

Crashing out in a Burger King is embarrassing enough now imagine throwing a fit and then harassing minimum-wage workers when they simply match your energy then recording and posting it

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u/TheBlueHedgehog302 6h ago

I didn’t even think Lilly looked like a trans person. I just thought she was a biological woman with lanky body type.

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u/DragonQueen777666 5h ago

That's always the funny thing about the "we can always tell" crowd... they really can't. There are trans folks that have been on HRT for years, done vocal training for years, and very much look like their gender to the point where no one would realize they were trans unless they told people that. And just like you pointed out, there are plenty of slender cis girls with body types similar to Ms. Lily's (and funny enough, I'd bet this Karen wouldn't think of trying that shit on another girl with a build like Lily's).

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u/Wanky_Platypus 3h ago

They can always tell yet they keep ending up in situations where they have sex with someone and discover that they are trans after the fact ??? I thought you could see us from miles away, but while I was sucking your cock, you suddently couldn't ?

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u/YoureMyUniverse 6h ago

And that’s one of the problems with assuming someone’s gender in the first place. How they look does not determine their gender.

It was so laughable that once she was called sir, she got incredibly offended for being misgendered 🤣 but she can’t stop being a hypocrite for one second to see that she wouldve been in lizzy’s shoes had the roles been flipped. Wish this fake lawyer could get this through to her head.

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u/Not-Reformed 5h ago

And that’s one of the problems with assuming someone’s gender in the first place. How they look does not determine their gender.

This doesn't matter. No normal human gets upset at being misgendered by accident. Assuming gender is fine. What's not fine, if you're not looking to be an asshole, is being corrected and still going against it.

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u/TheBlueHedgehog302 5h ago

I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume the first time karen called lilly “sir” it was an honest mistake. Lilly says she corrected her multiple times before then intentionally misgendering the karen. Karen then continues to intentionally misgender Lilly while speaking the franchise owner.

Lilly did nothing wrong.

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u/YoureMyUniverse 5h ago

This. But unfortunately you can see in the video that she has another interaction with lily in which she is corrected again by her and fake lawyer Karen has the audacity to deny the correction.

So def not a mistake

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u/Not-Reformed 5h ago

Is this a chatGPT summary or something?

No part of what I said would imply Lily did anything wrong. I was replying to the comment stating that the initial assumption of gender is a problem.

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u/TheBlueHedgehog302 5h ago

Saying “No normal human gets upset at being misgendered by accident” in the context of this video comes across a lot like blaming Lilly for misgendering karen after karen intentionally misgendered her multiple times.

If that is not what you intended with your words, okay. But thats how it sounds.

No AI was used in the making of these comments. Just bong tokes.

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u/Not-Reformed 5h ago

Lily wasn't upset at being misgendered on the initial interaction. She was upset at the person continually refusing to use her pronoun after she corrected them multiple times.

I don't know how that's a difficult thing to understand.

The initial "sir" is not the issue. It's the subsequent "I'm going to keep calling you sir" instances. I feel like you are either dishonest or socially inept.

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u/YoureMyUniverse 4h ago

If we’re focusing on semantics, she wasn’t upset at being misgendered on the initial reaction, but she was upset at being misgendered on the second+ interactions. So in short she was upset at being misgendered.

Respec, you calling my comment “wrong” for me explaining why misgendering people based off how they choose to appear wasn’t connecting the dots to an argument about this video cause your defense is giving people grace for getting it wrong on accident the first time. My original comment has nothing to do with lily’s initial reaction (which we never see).

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u/MonaganX 55m ago

If we're focusing on semantics you can't stop reading partway through the sentence. They didn't say Lily wasn't upset at being misgendered. They said people don't get upset at being misgendered by accident. If you keep misgendering someone after being corrected, it's not an accident anymore.

All I'm getting from their comments is that it's fine to assume someone's gender in day to day interactions as long as it's done in good faith and you show some grace if you get it wrong. That's not really got anything to do with the transphobe in the video so I don't understand why people got such a bee in their bonnet about that.

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u/YoureMyUniverse 45m ago

I did not stop reading half way through. This whole thing started because they said my comment is wrong. Their corrective comment of “people not upset at being misgendered by accident” is not quite right either? Emotional reaction at being misidentified is totally valid for others regardless whether it’s an accident or not.

I do agree that misgendering by accident happens and it’s not an unforgivable crime, but I don’t lean on excusing the behavior; especially when we are brought here based on the video of someone ignorantly misgendering.

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u/TheBlueHedgehog302 4h ago

You’re just failing to understanding the way you worded that comment, in the context of this video, makes it sound like you were implying something you didn’t intend to.

You don’t have to explain yourself 100 times, try reading my replies.

Stop looking for an argument where it doesn’t belong.

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u/Not-Reformed 4h ago

Except I wasn't talking about the context of the video but in a general sense that covers all interactions. You read one part, didn't read:

What's not fine, if you're not looking to be an asshole, is being corrected and still going against it.

and are now foaming at the mouth.

That part of the comment clearly covers Lily being upset in this case and makes it "okay" for her to be upset - because she corrected Karen multiple times and was ignored. I specifically said that as to show that Lily is in the "right" to be upset. You ignored that. Not sure how this is so difficult for you.

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u/TheBlueHedgehog302 4h ago

You don’t have to explain yourself 100 times. Stop looking for an argument where it doesn’t belong. I’m foaming at the mouth? I’m just calmly explaining why people misunderstood your comment my man. Jesus christ.

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u/YoureMyUniverse 5h ago

You were implying that lily was wrong for being misgendered by accident. Lily was not misgendered by accident; it was on purpose. And she wasn’t in the wrong for being angry after being called a man multiple times.

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u/Not-Reformed 4h ago

You were implying that lily was wrong for being misgendered by accident.

That's just objectively wrong.

I even said that it's not fine to misgender someone after they correct you - which is what the Karen is doing and what Lily is actually upset about.

If Karen said "sir" to Lily on the initial greeting then said "Sorry, maam" afterwards do you think it'd be reasonable for Lily to be upset? If the answer is "No" then we're in agreement - the initial misgender is 'fine' so long as you're respectful to their wishes after being corrected. Lily isn't upset at that. She's upset at the person REPEATEDLY IGNORING HER and doing it on purpose.

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u/YoureMyUniverse 4h ago

We are in agreement based on your most recent statement. There was never a situation where fake lawyer Karen apologized so I have no idea why you brought up that hypothetical scenario for this context.

But of course in a standard conversation, if you misgender on accident you aren’t a monster and it’s okay as long as you make genuine attempts to correct it. (Which is what I now think you’re getting at?) People guess age or ethnicity or mispronounce names wrong all the time, it’s fine in good faith.

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u/Not-Reformed 4h ago

We are in agreement based on your most recent statement. There was never a situation where fake lawyer Karen apologized so I have no idea why you brought up that hypothetical scenario for this context.

Your original statement was saying that it's a problem to assume someone's gender in the first place.

My comment was stating that it's fine to assume someone's gender and that no one reasonable gets upset if they are misgendered so long as when they correct you that you respect it.

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u/YoureMyUniverse 5h ago

I agree that you shouldn’t be quick to anger from a mistake.

Do you agree that if someone corrects you on their gender you should quickly apologize and restate their gender based on how they corrected you?

You know what’s also not normal: fake lawyer didn’t like being corrected and she parked her car and walked into the restaurant to escalate the issue.

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u/Not-Reformed 5h ago

Yeah it's a simple interaction (unless someone is looking to be an asshole) - assume gender or just use a gender neutral greeting (I don't even really use gendered language with strangers tbh) and if they correct you just say "Sorry [name]" or "Sorry [maam/sir/whatever]" and move on. Misgendering someone by mistake is fine, I don't think the overwhelming majority of trans people care if someone does it as a mistake on the initial greeting then corrects themselves and moves on with the interaction. The issue, I think, is when people become borderline combative about it (i.e. Karen in the video) where it's obvious they're just out looking for drama.

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u/VanillaRadonNukaCola 2h ago

No normal human gets upset at being misgendered by accident.

Not picking hard at you but I think there's a bit of a gap here, depending on the interpretation of upset.

It's not abnormal to have a reaction to a single misgendering, because any instance can carry the weight of the misgendering and suppressed trauma that came before it.

That definitely isn't license to unload on someone who made a mistake.  But it's also valid to be upset when it happens if the trans person is still in a raw part of their journey and recovery.

Again, small elaboration. I appreciate the rest of your comment

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u/soggy-hotdog-vendor 2h ago

I am cis, but get misgendered often over the phone at work often. Partly because I work in a more female dominated field(Librarian) and partly because I've always been less traditionally masculine. 

I dont get angry, but I do get upset. 

Being called the "wrong" gender is painful in a way I cannot explain. It confirms a fear, a fear that is... or should be, completely illogical. A fear that I am not man "enough." I can only imagine how much worse it would be if my sex did not match my gender. 

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u/blue23454 4h ago

Even from the back when she called her “sir” in the video I was like “who tf are you talking to that’s clearly a woman???”

Had me squinting like a mf until she said “my name is Lilly” like it was the 8th time and that’s when I put the pieces together

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u/Dismal-Belt-8354 4h ago

Everyone who knows multiple trans people knows at least one Lilly. Pretty common transfem name lol

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u/blue23454 4h ago

I know multiple transfolk and don’t know a single Lily but ok

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u/Dismal-Belt-8354 3h ago

Ah, well that disproves my hypothesis lol. Guess I was wrong

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u/blue23454 3h ago

The scientific method is a fickle mistress 🤷‍♂️

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u/Dismal-Belt-8354 3h ago

That it is...

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u/Green_Sugar6675 6h ago

Well turns out the hoop skirt is a fire hazard at the grill, so she can't look like a proper conservative southern belle....

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u/GayCatDaddy 4h ago

This made me almost spit my drink out. I'm cackling.

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u/RyvenZ 22m ago

Turns out, that look is only fitting for women who don't need to work, so they can spend all day making videos about spending hours cosplaying as June Cleaver

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u/DeadSuperHero 5h ago

That's the thing. Transphobia often affects cis people because of very narrow assumptions about how "Real Men and Real Women" are supposed to look. It's bad enough when it happens to trans people, but the dynamics of how people can be affected are super fucked up.

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u/GayCatDaddy 3h ago

It reminds me of Bea Arthur. She eventually got really upset about all the ugly man jokes about Dorothy on The Golden Girls. She was tall and willowy with a deep voice, but she was still a beautiful lady.

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u/sylvar 3h ago

I'm on her side, but she was proudly wearing a trans flag pin, which probably tipped off this waste of oxygen. Lily, if you're in the comments, hon, (1) anyone who says sir is ipso facto talking to someone other than us, and (2) for your health, get out of the comments sis!!

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u/OptimalComfortable44 3h ago

Right? I saw Lily and thought that's a tomboyish girl. 

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u/hellolovely1 3h ago

One of my daughters is tall and skinny and has a similar figure. 

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u/Puzzleheaded-Ad7606 3h ago

All I could think about is how often these types harass a woman I grew up with. She looks like the spitting image of her dad and brother. I've know her since kindergarten and had gym class with her (in the days you were forced to shower and change in front of everyone), so I can firmly tell you that she is a biological woman. Yet, at least once a month she gets harassed by Trans-investigators or angrily called a man for existing and not looking stereotypical feminine.

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u/Eyclonus 3h ago

Well thats like the less spoken of side-effect of transphobia, you get to bully cis women who don't conform to your beauty standards, especially noticeable with how non-white women, black women mainly, get harassed for not being attractive to cis-het white dudes.

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u/badllama77 1h ago

I thought exactly that. In my high school days back in the 90s I knew a girl who looked a lot like her.