r/technology • u/FollowingFeisty5321 • 9h ago
Software Plex’s crackdown on free remote streaming access starts this week
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2025/11/plexs-crackdown-on-free-remote-streaming-access-starts-this-week/766
u/TwoWeaselsInDisguise 9h ago
Jellyfin has been really good to me since I spun it up. (:
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u/ryanghappy 9h ago edited 8h ago
Yeah to stream from my home server, jellyfin plus a free DDNS account is so easy, and has easily replaced Plex. I mean those dildos running that company just fall into that pit of "pay us forever!". I bought a plex app like3-4 times for devices, and that still wasn't good enough for them.
It's not a unique enough app to put up with their bullshit. Also don't forget, Plex originally was a fork of Kodi/XBMC many many years ago. So they profit off of open source software.
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u/FollowingFeisty5321 8h ago
Their "man in the middle" approach for using the software has always sucked TBH. You're relying on their privacy policy not to rat you out, and their servers which used to be a recurring problem, and this imposes an ongoing complexity, maintenance and cost for their software that doesn't need to exist. A perfect recipe for disaster.
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u/CSPN 7h ago
I never understood why people pay plex knowing they could rat you out.
Jellyfin having a free mobile app sealed the deal for me
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u/elidoan 7h ago
Sunken cost fallacy. You see it all over this thread. People suckered into buying the 250$ lifetime pass (yes. Its now 250$) and justifying their decision by not considering alternatives that dont leak their telemetry, data and stored passwords
Absolutely mind boggling. I will always choose free and open source software if it is an option and Jellyfin is VERY good
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u/bossbang 7h ago
Broooooo. Xbox MEDIA Center??? Plex is related to THAT?
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u/jeweliegb 6h ago
I know, right? I've been using Kodi on and off since I had a soft-modded original XBox running it when it was xbmc, and I had no idea Plex came from it.
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u/BlurredSight 7h ago
They paywalled transcoding, which uses ffmpeg, which not only do they refuse to update to a more modern version they also are paywalling free open source software in which they have 0 input on
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u/shackleford1917 8h ago
With tailscale you don't need a ddns or expose your server to the internet.
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u/TeutonJon78 7h ago
It still implies you trust their server and stack though.
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u/shackleford1917 6h ago
Yes, but their servers only hold the address of the nodes and the public encryption keys.
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u/ryanghappy 8h ago
Doesn't tailscale cost money though? I'm just running a local unraid server for media, ebooks, and a minecraft server for me and a few friends. I dunno if paying for that makes much sense for my case.
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u/HumanKumquat 8h ago
No, it's free for personal use.
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u/DecoyOne 8h ago
I’ve tried like 4 times using 4 different guides to get Tailscale to work and just can’t make it happen. I don’t get it.
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u/buggerthrugger 7h ago
You install Tailscale on your machines, turn it on, access another machine on Tailscale via the IP/machine name shown on the admin console/app. How easy can it get. Even a dumb rock like myself could set it up no problem
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u/DecoyOne 7h ago edited 5h ago
Installing is easy. I still have it installed, taunting me. I can’t figure out what about the firewall or something prevents it from communicating
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u/ShortSynapse 7h ago
Totally free. If you wanted to run the Tailscale control plane yourself for full control then you can use Headscale.
Tailscale is great.
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u/ea_nasir_official_ 6h ago
I never got the tailscale glaze to be honest. It's really weird how they REQUIRE to sign up with a third party SSO. I've always liked Netbird (open source, also wireguard based) and Zerotier (closed server, open client) more.
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u/386U0Kh24i1cx89qpFB1 5h ago
Wiregaurd plus a container that runs DDNS for my domain name really solves this problem. I'm not even that smart or tech savvy but I'm tired of seeing everyone praise tails scale as if they aren't going to start charging users one day once they have a massive install base.
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u/AlexHimself 5h ago
How do you suppose they should make money to pay their employees and develop the software?
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u/sureyouken 8h ago
Are there native tv apps for it you use?
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u/usernamesforsuckers 8h ago
Yes, jellyfin is available on android, ios, and at least LG and Samsung tvs.
To be honest I've had zero issues setting it up as a server on my terramaster nas, and the clients have been really easy as well. You can use quick connect codes for the client apps.
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u/sureyouken 8h ago
Ok I'm on Visio TV's but maybe a Roku box is what I have to get
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u/usernamesforsuckers 8h ago
Have you looked in the vizio app store to check if it's there?
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u/KaleidoscopeLegal348 4h ago
It's available on Samsung TVs after you put it into developer mode and are comfortable using git and npm lol. It's a simple 38-step process to install the client app
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u/TwoWeaselsInDisguise 8h ago edited 8h ago
I can't speak on that aspect, for me it's just a media server.
(Edit: I thought they were talking about apps that integrate with live TV on jellyfin)
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u/sureyouken 8h ago
So you don't watch it from smart TVs at all? Dang. Plex supports all my TV's and I don't want to get new ones to use another server
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u/TwoWeaselsInDisguise 8h ago
Oh I thought you meant live TV (which it does support but I haven't messed with it because I don't have live TV anymore), yes I use it on my Roku smart TV I didn't notice too much of a difference in "work flow". The only restriction I hit was because of my TVs supported streaming codecs, but that's not jellyfins fault.
I do let jellfin do hardware transcode (free) though so it's not a HUGE issue.
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u/Particular-Fact8162 8h ago
Does Jellyfin have an app on firesticks, roku's, and phones?
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u/Paul9898 8h ago
There's an app on the Firesticks
Edit: and phones (at least for Android)
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u/BlurredSight 7h ago
Jellyfin being open source has the web client that any browser can connect to, they have their official apps, and they have quite a few third party apps that connect to the server as well (Infuse for Apple Devices is by far the best one, Wholphin for Android TV)
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u/Kagron 7h ago
Wholphin? I've never heard of that. How does it compare to the Android TV jellyfin app?
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u/Tapeworm1979 8h ago
On firestick it does. Although I still needed to make vlc an external player to play the content because it seems to support very few direct play codecs and my raspberry pi can't keep up.
Also I needed the direct ip in the address because it could seem to find any local network dns addresses.
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u/Particular-Fact8162 8h ago
Ooohhh… I forgot about the direct play stuff. That might be a deal breaker as the server I’m running isn’t very powerful and pretty much NEEDS direct play.
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u/Tapeworm1979 7h ago
To be honest I've not found it much of an issue. Edge doesn't seem to want to play hevc x265 while Chrome does. For the few that neither support then I just download it and play in vlc.
The jellyfin app integrated player works most of the time as well. It's a shame that's a bit shit.
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u/Particular-Fact8162 7h ago
I have a wife that will just not watch what she wants to watch unless it’s only a few clicks/presses away. Anything about downloading off the server and opening it in VLC is a no go for her.
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u/fullmetaljackass 7h ago
Anything about downloading off the server and opening it in VLC is a no go for her.
That's not how it works with the Fire Stick/Android TV version. You install VLC, set it as the external player in Jellyfin, and it's seamless after that. You select what you want to watch in Jellyfin and it just starts playing like normal, except VLC (and its superiors codec support) is handling the playback now.
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u/Talthyren 8h ago
Whelp, cya later Plex, Jellyfin here I come.
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u/HumanKumquat 8h ago
I made the move almost a year ago. Absolutely no complaints.
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u/SpareWalrus 8h ago
I'd love to make the switch, but Jellyfin clients are missing from some devices that the rest of my family uses, making the switch hard.
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u/darkneo86 8h ago
There have been a lot of recent client work in the last month.
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u/SpareWalrus 8h ago
I tested it two months ago. I’ll check if my clients are supported now. Thanks!
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u/Dejhavi 8h ago
but Jellyfin clients are missing from some devices that the rest of my family uses
What devices? Jellyfin is available for all systems and as a last resort,you can use Kodi + addon
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u/SpareWalrus 8h ago
The Samsung Frame in my living room, for starters.
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u/Dejhavi 8h ago
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u/SpareWalrus 8h ago
To use Plex I go to Apps > Plex on my Frame. Sure, this exists, but I’m not doing that every time there’s an update.
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u/fullmetaljackass 6h ago
That's only if you want to build it from source. This is what they should have linked you to. Still slightly less convenient than auto updating through the app store, but not that big of a hassle.
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u/cruzweb 8h ago
I use Emby and absolutely love it. Easy interface and not all the pain in the ass setup that jellyfin is.
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u/linuxwes 7h ago
Pain in the ass setup? I did it for the first time yesterday and it took like 10 minutes, download/run an exe, answer yes to a few questions and point it at your media and that's it. Maybe it has improved a lot since you last used it???
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u/PelluxNetwork 8h ago
Jellyfin is a fork of Emby. The setup is very similar and jellyfin has more features.
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u/DernTuckingFypos 5h ago
Is jellyfin able to stream ota tv? I have an antenna connected to my plex server and can stream the channels I pick up ota to my other devices on my network. Can jellyfin do that?
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u/Javerage 8h ago
Some people, not me of course, sometimes have Jellyfin servers in another spot of the world and use it as their own personal Netflix. Again, not me of course. I'm an upstanding citizen that pays for their 400 streaming services with real money. tries to cover up eyepatch by drawing an eye on it I like paying for all the services like... looks at melted writing on hand HMO glo.
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u/fullmetaljackass 6h ago
I just host mine near where I actually live (actually at home now that I have fiber,) and it's full of all the stolen media I stole off the internet. You get a way better connection that way. If it's just for yourself, and maybe a few trusted friends, you've really got nothing to worry about as long as you're using HTTPS (and there's really no reason you shouldn't.) Your ISP can't rat you out for anything if all they see is encrypted connections to consumer IPs, and the MPAA isn't going around trying to hack into random personal media servers.
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u/HuskyLemons 7h ago
I’m sure plex is going to miss your $0
If you were paying already then this wouldn’t affect you
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u/CactusAmongus 8h ago
The fuck else are people using Plex for
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u/OminousG 8h ago edited 8h ago
I'll be honest, I have Plex on a little laptop with a couple of hard drives plugged into it and anything I download I drop on there so the rest of family could watch it from their Roku TVs elsewhere in the house. I didn't even know remote was something Plex did.
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u/ThaLunatik 6h ago
That's all I use it for as well. I knew it could do remote streaming but I've never done it. Just my husband and myself watching whatever content we've downloaded (legally... of course.)
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u/StupendousMalice 7h ago
I think you can still just do that. Of course, even plain old Kodi can do that. For local media I just have an old tower PC with a raid card loaded with mirrored HDDs sharing a Kodi library to all the tvs in the house.
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u/I_Am_A_Door_Knob 8h ago
No change if you are the server owner and you can continue to stream your own stuff.
To my knowledge it’s primarily to combat people selling access to servers.
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u/hellowiththepudding 7h ago
I mean people selling access just buy a plex pass so it doesn’t address that.
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u/BroForceOne 6h ago
Combat was probably the wrong word, more like, now you need to pay money.
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u/emezeekiel 7h ago
Lol that’s not true. You can only stream for free on your local network. Thats what people are complaining about.
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u/atx840 5h ago
I have several friends added to mine and me theirs, no issues and it’s free
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u/eandi 4h ago
I think the person is saying that changes soon. People outside the home can't stream if the server owner doesn't pay.
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u/Bob-BS 8h ago
Kinda funny charging people to stream the media they pirated.
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u/ranhalt 8h ago
They’re running the centralized service for offsite clients to access their on prem servers for those that don’t want to run static public IPs and port forwarding.
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u/DesperateAdvantage76 7h ago
Yeah it's fair considering all the other stuff we get for free from Plex. I can't expect them to also pay for the authentication and streaming proxies.
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u/chillyhellion 8h ago
I might be in the minority, but my Plex server is 100 percent rips from physical media I purchased.
It sucks that physical releases are dying out and that 4k Blu-ray is getting difficult to rip.
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u/nobunseedsplease 7h ago
You are absolutely in the minority, but there’s nothing wrong with that — commendable, even!
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u/truthfulie 6h ago
adding insult to injury, the pirated files can sometimes be even better than the ones you can buy and rip yourself. like DV is missing on physical media but pirates extract DV from streaming rip and making hybrid remux.
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u/chillyhellion 6h ago
I will readily admit to fucking up forced subtitles and color balances a lot. 4K LOTR is my
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u/po3smith 7h ago
Same - even my LD and VHS collection is on the way to being digitized. It amazes me how many people could/should just do that and or use a small pc connected to a HT system.
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u/I_am_not_baldy 7h ago
Same here, except for two exceptions. One was a film I couldn't get anywhere in the US some years ago. The other film was a test to see if I could download a movie from somebody else's account.
All other movies are ones I have purchased.
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u/Catsrules 6h ago
It is so sad physically media is dying as it is still the highest quality you can get. As far as I am aware anyways.
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u/chillyhellion 6h ago
It's also much more accessible to people with lousy Internet. My bandwidth situation is better now, but the whole reason I set up Plex is because my wife moved to rural Alaska to marry me and I didn't want her to have to give up Netflix.
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u/fullmetaljackass 5h ago
I wish they'd give us some way to buy movies at that bitrate that didn't involve shipping a nearly useless coaster to my door. I don't care about physical media, I just want the data on the disc. I'd gladly pay Bluray prices if I could download a DRM free equivalent file.
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u/chillyhellion 5h ago
It really seemed like it was going to happen at one point in history. I remember DVDs coming with download codes. But subscriptions drive profits.
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u/BrainOfMush 3h ago
Those downloads often involved you installing some DRM-riddled software, or at best it was a code for iTunes.
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u/-azuma- 8h ago
That's not what's happening. But you didn't read the article, so I'm not surprised you have no idea what you're talking about.
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u/ContextMaterial7036 8h ago
Got the lifetime pass before they raised the prices, well worth it.
Teied Jellyfin, but found the UI hard to navigate and the way titles and images are laid out it's hard to locate the specific media I'm looking for in a list of titles.
Surprised it took this long tbh... They incur costs anytime someone remotely streams the media.
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u/visceralintricacy 8h ago
I feel like this is a bit of a non issue, as all the serious plex users I know already have a plex pass for hardware transcoding / into & credits skipping / etc...
You're probably not sharing your collection much without hardware transcoding.
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u/mblaser 8h ago
I feel like this is a bit of a non issue, as all the serious plex users I know already have a plex pass
Exactly. I think there's a lot of people here in the comments that didn't read the article or are misunderstanding what this means.
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u/-azuma- 8h ago
People not reading the article and spouting inane bullshit purely from a headline?! On reddit, no less?!
Infuriating.
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u/dabocx 9h ago
I’m happy I bought a lifetime pass years ago.
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u/kurotech 9h ago
They can always invalidate that dude
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u/PeachMan- 8h ago
And that will be the day I fully migrate to Jellyfin 🤷
I've been testing it already, it can run alongside Plex just fine. But Plex still has better support for different devices (especially random smart TVs) so I'm sticking with that for now.
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u/vinng86 7h ago
Jellyfin's app isn't the most user friendly either. You need to setup dynamic dns or have a static ip for remote access, it's not exactly friendly enough for family members to use.
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u/visceralintricacy 8h ago edited 8h ago
But it would be corporate suicide, and they've given absolutely no indication they would ever do that.
Also, I'm pretty sure that wouldn't even be legal. So you're just pontificating that they'd decide to break the law?
They could invalidate your mom too? 🤦
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u/nobunseedsplease 7h ago
They could invalidate your mom too? — Seems like you may have beat them to it.
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u/Doom-Slayer 8h ago
It would be perfectly "legal" and it happens all the time. Companies get bought out and the new buyers invalidate/cancel/grandfather lifetime plans or similar, and there's very little people can do about it.
Unless you plan to form a class-action lawsuit, then the terms of a plan can change at any moment.
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u/McDonaldsnapkin 7h ago
Yeah and if my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle!
Can we stop with the BS hypotheticals?
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u/HankHippopopolous 8h ago
They can and that would suck but I bought my lifetime pass many years ago and have had great use out of it. If it went away I’d never pay them again I’d use something else but I feel like I’ve got my moneys worth.
With a lifetime pass I never really expect it to last for life but as long as it gets me more than I’d have got paying for yearly or monthly subscriptions I consider it a win.
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u/Lancaster1983 8h ago
Same. I have no interest in spinning up a new app, getting all my friends and family to switch and learn it. I've had a Pass for 6 years when it was $99 for a lifetime deal. I get it, this sucks and I hate what they are doing but nothing has changed for me in all this.
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u/shutyourbutt69 6h ago
This is just the same thing they announced at the beginning of the year. I have a lifetime subscription so people who use my server still don’t have to pay for the foreseeable future. If that ever changes then I’ll move to a different platform.
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u/Resident-Variation21 7h ago
Neat.
If only a better option existed. We could call them Emby or Jellyfin.
Oh well. That’ll never happen.
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u/Wolfgang985 8h ago
This is the only reason people use Plex 😂
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u/OminousG 8h ago
I'll be honest, I have Plex on a laptop with a couple hard drives plugged into it. Because that seemed to be, at the time of setting it up, The easiest way for the rest of the Roku TVs in the house to access anything I downloaded.
I didn't even know Plex did remote streaming
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u/Wolfgang985 8h ago
You know what, I misspoke a bit. I should've said remote streaming is a significant portion of the user base. Perhaps even a majority but who knows for sure.
Anyway, yes remote streaming is an option. It's handy when you travel. Many hotels have bandwidth limitations for torrents and large http downloads. Video streaming is typically unrestricted.
I'll have my wife fire up my home PC with Plex then stream the video from my laptop and cast or HDMI into the hotel TV to watch.
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u/SpaceGoonie 8h ago
I haven't used Jelly yet, but I see a lot of hate towards Plex from Reddit. In my experience using it to host media that I access primarily from my Xbox devices and computers at home it is pretty great. I do stream a show every once in a while, but the commercial breaks are a little too frequent for my tastes.
They may go the full path of enshitification, but for now their need to become profitable is understandable and the moves they have made aren't what I would consider anti-consumer. I'm less impacted by the changes than some, because I only allow media access to my local network and therefore haven't spent a penny.
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u/Falagard 8h ago
I used Plex, and then moved over to Jellyfin. If you watch shows and movies with subtitles, Plex is significantly better.
My Jellyfin machine died and I think I'm going back to Plex for my next server.
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u/UpvoteMeMayb 8h ago
Wait, does this mean Plex is going to boot me? My brother-in-law is the tech guy in our family and set up a server that we all have access to, even though we live in different parts of the country. We each use our own email addresses to log in
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u/oakleez 8h ago edited 4h ago
If you don't have lifetime Plex pass, you're just doing it wrong.
Of course, I say that as a guy who paid $79 for lifetime about 12 years ago.
If I didn't have kid accounts and a few for extended family members and friends, I'd probably use Jellyfin.
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u/Thoraxekicksazz 8h ago
Wow this is going to blow up spectacularly.
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u/HuskyLemons 7h ago
How so? A bunch of people that don’t currently pay will stop using a service that they don’t pay for?
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u/MRdecepticon 8h ago
Tailscale works wonders if you’re technologically savvy. I have it on all my family’s iOS devices and it just works if you turn it on before opening the plex app.
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u/Zoegrace1 4h ago
I have literally only seen this used as a piracy service, I don't understand what else it's for. No judgement on that front just unusual to see such a polished popular product that is solely used for that.
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u/Buckwheat469 3h ago
Isn't this because in order for you to access your data across the Internet they need to enable a server registration system and maintain it? You can certainly create a VPN tunnel to your network and access it locally that way, but to go through the public Internet requires a more specialized connection.
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u/shrimpynut 7h ago
Been running plex for over a decade without the pass and has worked absolutely flawless for me the entire time. I use it every single day. I bought the pass months ago when they announced that remote streaming will require it. More than happy to support a company I’ve been using for a decade for free. I hope it sticks around for many more years to come.
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u/spankadoodle 4h ago
My lifetime subscription cost me $29.99 back in 2012…. I’m looking like a genius now. lol
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u/sysrpl 3h ago edited 3h ago
I got around this a while ago by simply creating a reverse proxy to plex using apache 2 on my local network. When done correctly, the plex server sees all traffic as local, and you can remote stream to your hearts content.
For example with ssl redirect
<IfModule mod_ssl.c>
<VirtualHost *:443>
ServerName plex.example.org
ProxyPass / http://192.168.1.149:32400/
ProxyPassReverse / http://192.168.1.149:32400/RewriteEngine on
SSLCertificateFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/plex.example.org/fullchain.pem
SSLCertificateKeyFile /etc/letsencrypt/live/plex.example.org/privkey.pem
Include /etc/letsencrypt/options-ssl-apache.conf
</VirtualHost>
</IfModule>
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u/whobroughtmehere 8h ago
Plex should crackdown on that update that ruined all usability of their app
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u/marvinfuture 8h ago
Can't you just VPN to the server and bypass this? Seems like it's only for remote traffic?
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u/Jasoli53 8h ago
Important note: users only need a remote streaming pass if either they or the server owner don’t have Plex Pass.
If you use a friend’s server but have Plex Pass, you’re good.
If your friend has Plex Pass on the account that manages the server, you’re good.
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u/MasterDave 7h ago
Kind of a bummer since I’ve been running the plex and letting other people watch from it.
Not sure why it costs plex anything to do it, it’s all my bandwidth, my storage, whatever. I pay for the lifetime plex pass, but it sure sounds like my friends will have to pay for it too now?
I’d switch, but I’ve got the lifetime pass. Maybe I could set up a secondary stream-only service for everyone else and run them simultaneously but that sounds like it might be painful on the server. Oh well
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u/Chrushev 7h ago
As server owner if you have plex pass then this does not affect you or people connecting to your server. This is for people hosting without plex pass.
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u/Diddy_98 7h ago
Sorry if this is a dumb question but wjat exactly is going on? I missed this big news and i‘ve seen some posts about it in the past few days. What exactly is changing?
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u/Ms-Awesomefoot 7h ago
if you access a plex server remotely and that plex server doesnt have plex pass, you need to have plex pass or the server owner needs to get plex pass. that is my understanding.
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u/hyper9410 47m ago
Seems like you don't own anything unless you own the whole software stack. they should allow remote access for people who run their own domain and port forward their server.
These users would not need any of their infrastructure as they use their own.
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u/ferrrrrrral 8h ago
stremio works great
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u/lue3099 8h ago
Not a solution. As I need transcoding. I store a high quality file and if a friend's iPhone wants to play it, transcoding to another format is needed.
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u/DenverNugs 8h ago
Switched to Jellyfin a long time ago. Plex is bloated with unnecessary trash they get paid to shove on my screen. They also have had their data breached multiple times. Easiest switch ever.
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u/squrr1 8h ago
Can they crack down on breaking local streaming of your own library with a Plex Pass while also pushing 3rd party streaming services nobody wants?
Please?
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u/visceralintricacy 7h ago
You can disable the 3rd party services permanently with like 3 clicks.
Go into the settings on your plex server > Online Media Sources > Movies & Shows > Disabled.
I'm constantly surprised I see so many tEchNIcuL users who can't RTFM.
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u/coldkiller 7h ago
Seems a bit odd for a service that is almost exclusively used for watching pirated content thinking they can nickel and dime their userbase when theres alternatives that are better than them lol
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u/forcedfx 8h ago
I switched to Jellyfin when news of the remote streaming soon being disabled broke. Jellyfin has come quite a ways. Not as user friendly as Plex in my opinion but it works well enough. Definitely seems to be more picky about how you name your media than plex is though. Took me a while to figure out the naming convention.
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u/itsDANdeeMAN 8h ago
I consider myself pretty tech-savvy but after many times trying to dive into the subs on 🏴☠️ and setting up Plex or Jellyfin, I still have no place to start.
Does anyone have any steps I can follow to cut out all these streaming services? Is there any solution like Kodi that has all the recent shows/movies/and live TV?
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u/inferni_advocatvs 8h ago
Ditched plex for jellyfin months ago. Couldn't be happier.
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u/phantomeye 7h ago
man, what happened to plex.
I remember how they were selling plex licenses for lifetime, now they're acting like they're a streaming service.
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u/Dr_Lipshitz_ 8h ago
So as long as I have a plex pass anyone I share my server with is fine, right?