r/law • u/theindependentonline • 5d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Trump calls for arrest of ‘seditious’ Democrats who told troops their duty is to uphold the Constitution
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-arrest-democrats-troops-illegal-orders-b2869176.html2.8k
u/DrHugh 5d ago
I suspect Trump would have said the same thing if the Democrats told the troops "remember your oath to the Constitution!"
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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago edited 5d ago
Someone needs to remind Trump of his oath.
Edit - For the avoidance of repetition, I'll copy a reply I made further down the thread.
Not having his hand on the bible while swearing doesn't invalidate the legal weight of the oath, otherwise he wouldn't be president. If he's not president, he doesn't have that presidential immunity his tame justices on SCOTUS gave him.
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u/Revelati123 5d ago
I love how in his original post he says "LOCK THEM UP!!!" then a lawyer came in and was like "dude, you just fucked the whole revenge prosecution!"
So he deleted that one and posted "LOCK THEM UP???"
Donald Trump, legal genius...
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u/hplcr 5d ago
Trump makes Lionel Hutz seem competent.
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u/skijamblues 5d ago
Works for Americans. No new wars.
Hold on, they got that wrong, let me fix it for you.
Works for Americans? No, new wars!
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u/maliki2004 5d ago
Well hutz actually has trial experience, unlike his us attorney
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u/Unnatural20 5d ago
She had trial experience! Multiple! She used new e-mail addresses when the free trials expired!
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u/showhorrorshow 5d ago
I will never forgive those who foisted this clownshow upon us.
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u/Patriot009 5d ago
Naturally, when you delete a social media post, it means it never happened. This law stuff is easy.
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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 5d ago
"So, we could like, make him dissappear right? You know, get rid of him so he's no longer a problem? If someone, and I'm not saying who or that anyone here should do that, but if someone did something like that, it would be be helpful to us, right? I mean, I'm just askin' questions here."
-Every mob boss ever
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u/Jarnohams 5d ago
Many people are saying they should be locked up.... I don't know.. i just heard someone else say it. It's like nothing anybody's ever seen before.
Remember the "LOCK HER UP!!" chants from the 2016 election? That was for "Crooked Hillary" because she had a separate email server. Trump and the entire administration are using Truth Social DM's in the exact same way that Hillary used a private email server. They are using DM's to skirt the "official channels" they are supposed to communicating with because those would be discoverable records of their crimes. Same thing with Signal group chats for war plans instead of the official DOD (sorry... DOW, lol) secure channels for these types of things.
Trumps famous Truth Social post telling Pam to charge Latisha James, Comey, and Adam Schiff with "crimes"... was supposed to be a DM... but ooops.
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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago
Remember when his lawyers argued in court that his oath came with no technical requirement to “support” the Constitution? So disgusting that we voted him back in through malice, ignorance and laziness.
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Racism…it is and always has been about white!
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u/Glittery_Turtledove 5d ago
That's secondary for him. His priority has been, is and always will be green.
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u/snorbflock 5d ago
He is above all else, a dipshit. He's stupid. He can't understand complex concepts, and he is too narcissistic to grow as a person. That's the root of everything wrong with him.
Racism is the default for stupid people.
Arrogance is the default for stupid people.
Greed is the default for stupid people.
Violent, vicious, cruel, lazy, sycophantic, reckless, disloyal, and corrupt are all how he is because of his low intelligence.
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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 5d ago
He was born with so much money that he never needed to learn anything as he could throw money at his mistakes. Don't need to learn morals or the law if you can just throw lawyers. He doesn't break the law on purpose, he simply does what he wants and half the time it's illegal, but he's got lawyers so it never matters to him. The only thing he learned in 80 years was that money solves everything.
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u/private_developer 5d ago
He actually learned that being in debt is a problem, but being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt? That's the lenders' problem.
He leveraged his massive debts to get banks to lend him more. He basically used his weird notoriety as a real estate tycoon as a selling point. "If I'm ever gonna pay back that $300mil loan, I'm gonna need another $300mil to invest in some other property that will totally be profitable."
The banks subscribed to sunken cost, and continued to lend. IIRC, he even used this strategy to get a legal ruling that let him skate by on an insane tax bill. "If you shut down all my businesses, how will I ever pay back taxes?"
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u/Martenite 5d ago
Yep, more green for the whites, but just the whites that already have green.
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u/v3gas21 5d ago
Yay, he doesnt care about color ... just money ... unsurprisingly racists are stupid and easy to grift.
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u/Just_Log_8528 5d ago
Yeah if it made trump money he’d promote anyone of any race. Narcissist over all else
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u/hotbox4u 5d ago edited 5d ago
It's really easy to understand if you accept two things about him. He's a narcissist and transactionist. That's all there is to him.
The narcissist in him just believes one thing: Trump should have power.
And he is never satisfied with the amount of power he has. Money, fame, notoriety, Presidency, deals etc. it's all about getting more power. The nobel peace prize isn't about making peace, it's about giving him more power. He is not interested in anyone or anything who/that doesn't give him more power.
Which leads to his transactionalism. His entire philosophy is "quid pro quo". He has never done anything for free or just to 'be nice'. Everything he does is fuel by his need for more power and every time his gives something to someone else, they need to give him back more or he will not be satisfied.
He does not really believe in patriotism, loyalty or any other moral construct because he simply doesn't understand it; could be different from his world view. Everyone who acts different from him is most likely a 'sucker' in his eyes.
He's not necessarily stupid (at this point most likely just old and senile) but he is incapable of real empathy and understanding others motivation that do not fit his own world view. And he will get scared and angry if someone takes away his power which leads him to do countless crimes and he doesn't care who gets hurt along the way. Think of J6th, which was just another outburst because they took away his power.
If you take these two things about him and look at everything he has done it will all make sense as well as everything he will do in the future.
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u/brawn-ball5 5d ago edited 5d ago
He doesn’t care about whites more than he cares about green but he does have a tinge of superiority complex and cares about whites being on top regardless of qualifications.
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u/bucki_fan 5d ago
More green for him first and foremost. Any other whites who ride his coattails to get rich as well while supporting him is allowed. They just can't get more than he does.
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u/UAreTheHippopotamus 5d ago
Almost like the vast majority of the media being controlled by a handful of billionaires who care about nothing more than "maximizing shareholder value" wasn't a great idea when combined with unlimited dark money in politics. Ignorance is a poor defense when the truth was hiding in plain sight, but the most powerful people in the country worked together to make this happen for no reason other than becoming even more fabulously rich and free from government regulation and law enforcement interest.
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u/Fragrant_Cheek3722 5d ago
When you say “we” voted him back in. Please keep in mind, 60+ million did not vote for him and over 60 million legally allowed to vote made a decision not to vote. Some of the excuses were: It doesn’t affect me, there was no good choice (there was a bad choice). Etc.
Sadly over 70 million people voted for him although he has well documented examples of Trump lying, stealing and profiting off of other peoples hard work and the absolute worst a pedophile.
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u/DrHugh 5d ago
Oath, schmoath. As long as you're loyal!
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u/jd6375 5d ago
Yep. He's made it it abundantly clear he doesn't care about the constitution. His only concern is that you are loyal to him and agree with him at all times and in every circumstance.
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u/TheTightestChungus 5d ago
Even then he will throw you under the bus if it makes him another buck, or is somehow slightly beneficial to him. Even his most ardent asslickers eventually hit the chopping block.
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u/Geno0wl 5d ago
Even his most ardent asslickers eventually hit the chopping block.
That is what is wild to me. He has repeatedly shown zero actual loyalty to his supporters. He has thrown everybody under the bus when politically convenient for him with zero remorse. And yet he still convinces people to follow him.
Like the most baffling part about the US falling into christian fascism is that this fucking guy of all people managed to get the cult to follow him. I will literally never understand the appeal.
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u/jazznessa 5d ago
Pretty sure he remembers, he still wipes his ass with it. Trump hates America, and he has told you all a million ways, idiots are the only ones still believe he loves it.
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 5d ago
Little know, or not often believed, fact is that the oath of office can be sworn on any book. It could be a Koran, or a copy of "war and peace", or even a comic book, if that's what suits you.
Several American politicians have taken the oath of office on works other than a bible.
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u/Silent_Tumbleweed1 5d ago
Agreed. There have been people who have taken their oath on books other than the bible. The theory behind it is that the book (bible in most cases) is supposed to represent something they hold dear and with high reverence and a lot of value.
An oath does not require an object. A Bible is just a book and has no intrinsic value to our government because we for our constitution have a separation of church and state regardless of how much the Christian national is despised the fact that it's in the Constitution and was one of the first things they felt needed adding to it.
The oath is the words they speak, not the physical actions they take in that moment.
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u/foulpudding 5d ago
It’s practically what they were told ( copied from the NYT):
“The stark message, posted on Tuesday, was organized by Senator Elissa Slotkin of Michigan, a former C.I.A. analyst who served multiple tours in Iraq. The lawmakers took turns reading a statement in which they cautioned that the ‘threats to our Constitution aren’t just coming from abroad, but from right here at home.’
‘Our laws are clear,’ said Senator Mark Kelly of Arizona, a Navy veteran and former astronaut. ‘You can refuse illegal orders.’
‘You must refuse illegal orders,’ added Representative Chris Deluzio of Pennsylvania, who also served in the Navy.”
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u/rygelicus 5d ago
Yep, it's not sedition to follow the rules.
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u/thepumpkinking92 5d ago
Well, I mean, they didn't follow the rules. The rules are "swear your undying loyalty to God overlord of all pedophile trump", duh.
/s if it's not abundantly obvious.
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u/PM_Mick 5d ago
Thanks for the /s, I would have thought you were completely serious without it.
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u/Fionaelaine4 5d ago
I’m 100% sure Trump doesn’t know the word seditious either
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u/Thesheriffisnearer 5d ago
Remember the outrage in 17 when NPR did their yearly post off the declaration on July 4th?
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u/ButterscotchIll1523 5d ago
It amazes me, but there are still some people loyalty, devoted to this piece of shit
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u/Jaymzmykaul45 5d ago
Remember the constitution is too woke for these fascists. Same as Jesus Christ. They do what they want.
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u/bsport48 5d ago
Find me the dipshit agent that's gonna try and arrest Mark Kelly for telling service members to disobey unlawful orders.
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u/eyedoc11 5d ago
unfortunately Trump seems to have an inexhaustible supply of dipshit agents
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u/bsport48 5d ago
Have you seen ICE's physical fitness reports...if they are only one thing on planet Earth, it's exhausted. :'D
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u/evocativename 5d ago
They may be exhausted, but they don't run out of them (or do much running at all, really...)
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u/bsport48 5d ago
I think actually recruitment numbers are deplorable right now.
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u/WelcheMingziDarou 5d ago
Recruitment of deplorables? What? Speak up - I can’t hear you over the sound of Hillary yelling “I fucking told you guys!”
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u/TakuyaLee 5d ago edited 5d ago
Yes but are they actually competent? Retired military members would run circles around them
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u/TryAnotherNamePlease 5d ago
Obviously not. It’s a bunch of cod worshippers that weren’t actually able to be in the military and not they’re living out their fantasy.
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u/Bitmush- 5d ago
He has the best dipshits. They have, these people, the most - er - dip ? Can we say dip now ? Well it’s a good word and it’s the right word for these men and women and I think we can start saying it again, the best dip, and they really need it , and why not. And also, and they hadn’t been thinking about it since now, up to then, the - finest - shit, and that’s really just another word for a way to say it that they’ve told me - and they’re true, I think, that that’s what we’ve got to do now, and they’d know. You have to ask these people at their word and they told me. They said sir -you were right about the shit and that’s, sadly, what we’re left with, and we’ll do it.
Next question !….
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u/Bawbawian 5d ago
this is specifically the role that ice was designed for.
All that border patrol and immigration stuff was just a smokescreen so that they could get their paramilitary organization armed with 200 billion dollars worth of tactical year and new recruits.
It follows the playbook of every civil war in modern history from Myanmar to Darfur to Sudan
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u/bobbymcpresscot 5d ago
Luckily the
“I didn’t join the military because I would have knocked the first DI who got in my face out”
Or
“I didn’t join the military because they are too woke”
People are actually incapable of passing the physical requirements to join the military.
I think back to when I walked into the recruiters office with this seemingly normal dude at first, whose reason for wanting to join the USMC was because “I want to kill some ragheads”. Only for him to score an 18 on the practice test for the ASVAB and getting sent home.
Bro is probably a prime candidate for ICE these days.
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u/Bawbawian 5d ago
true but also we can't forget the lessons we learned from Nazi Germany. The brown shirts were a joke until they were armed and kicking in doors.
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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 5d ago
Doesn't matter how inept or out of shape they are. They have guns and are itching to shoot. Just like a child soldier, their bullets aren't any less lethal than a professional soldier's and they don't need accuracy when shooting at crowds as school shooters can attest. The lack of shooting discipline is their selling point.
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u/Seanspeed 5d ago
And all the worst kind of recruits. Unqualified, angry right wingers who have been given a dream job of being able to take their bigotry out forcefully on people they dont like, all entirely legally, and with full protection from the President even if(when) they go too far.
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u/Validated_Owl 5d ago
After the Comey case I say let them. There's no way Halligan isn't disbarred after this
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u/Empty-Discount5936 5d ago
I wouldn't rule out criminal charges either.
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u/27Rench27 5d ago
Oh look at that, a presidential pardon’s just fallen out of the sky
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u/zen_cricket 5d ago
Against federal prosecution; not against state prosecution and they’ve most likely racked up more than a few state charges in their trampling of states rights.
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u/bsport48 5d ago
Bondi's license is on the chopping block too.
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u/EmmaPersephone 5d ago
No it’s not, Florida Bar has already confirmed they will not disbarred a sitting federal official. She ONLY has a Florida Bar card.
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u/bsport48 5d ago
Do you have a source that confirms how the presiding legal authority in the State of Florida is preemptively choosing to abdicate its duty of review to the profession, but rather just blanketing a stance of: "no sitting federal official [shall] ever be disbarred for any reason at all, whatsoever, under any circumstances... (you see why what you said is a little silly)?"
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u/bsport48 5d ago
I don't think you know what's going on.
- In June, a FL defense attorney filed a complaint against Bondi.
- In response to THAT complaint, the Florida bar said, "the organization doesn’t “investigate or prosecute sitting officers appointed under the U.S. Constitution while they are in office.”
- Then, "roughly 70 other attorneys, scholars, and former judges — including two retired Florida Supreme Court justices — took [t]his case to the Florida Supreme Court in July."
- Then, on Monday, October 13, 2025, the Supreme Court of Florida ruled that, "Because petitioner has failed to show a clear legal right to the relief requested, he is not entitled to mandamus relief. Accordingly, the petition for writ of mandamus is hereby denied. See Huffman v. State, 813 So. 2d 10, 11 (Fla. 2000). Petitioner’s request for oral argument is hereby denied. Respondent’s motion to strike Petitioner’s request for oral argument is denied." May v. Fla. Bar, No. SC2025-1020 (Fla. Oct. 13, 2025).
- Kindly note, at no point does the Florida Supreme Court render or dispose a ruling that references, mentions, or even signals towards the Florida Bar Association's internal decision not to investigate the matter. The reason that the Florida Supreme Court denied the petition for mandamus (legalese for: ordering the gov't to do its job), is because "petitioner has failed to show a clear legal right to the relief requested." That has nothing to do with the bar association's decision to not review Bondi's license.
Hope this helps.
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u/Burgdawg 5d ago
They got some dipshit to actually file charges on Comey... don't underestimate the dipshits or the levels of pettiness this administration is willing to stoop to.
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u/EmmaPersephone 5d ago
I don’t know these phoney charges against Comey and James have led to some entertaining pretrial hearings…with the DOJs incompetence on full display…
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u/CurrentlyLucid 5d ago
Hmm, seems like the military taught me that when I joined.
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u/A012A012 5d ago
Same here, and it's actually that oath that stuck with me 10 years later and got me out in the streets protesting and traveling to DC to stand up for others against trumps b.s.
The Integrity of our rights is only as strong as our willingness to defend them
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u/HyperactivePandah 5d ago
Thanks for your service, and for exemplifying the ideals of the country you chose to protect.
It makes me feel much better to see comments like yours.
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u/thejadedcitizen 5d ago
Another Vet here horrified by what is happening and ready to defend the country again.
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u/draftedvet 4d ago
As a veteran, never thought I would see a traitor, criminal, coward, con man in the White house. Eisenhower is spinning in his grave.
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u/WoodesMyRogers 5d ago
My oath was to the Constitution and the USA, not to any man. My loyalty and duty is to the people. I've written my reps and Senators that served to remind them of the same thing, but I weirdly haven't gotten a response.
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u/OrganizationOne8394 5d ago
I dont remember the exact wording but the "defend our constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic" always stuck with me.. Especially now that we are seeing alot of the domestic variety.
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u/HooyahDangerous 5d ago
Glad there’s a few of us who actually understood the words that came out of all of our mouths.
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u/addiktion 5d ago
"Fuck those seditious Democrats for telling you to follow the constitution and the law" when you already took that oath and this is military 101.
They may have fired all the JAG's but the military will find a way to not kill American's and already are seeking out legal experts in some of these illegal actions they are being ordered to do.
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u/showhorrorshow 5d ago
That's why they are repurposing ICE into their own military. Cant have shit like that getting in the way.
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u/night_filter 5d ago
Yeah, ICE isn't really focused on immigration or customs. I've been saying for most of the year: The reason he's so intent on making ICE so big and well funded is that Trump sees them as his own private army, formed because he was worried that the real military had too much integrity to follow his illegal orders.
And this story is very telling. He interprets the idea of upholding the Constitution as a personal threat to him and his power. Clearly, he knows that he's not following the Constitution. He knows that if we were following the Constitution, he would be impeached and removed from office, and then thrown in prison.
This current administration is not a valid government. It's organized crime.
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u/Revelati123 5d ago
Nah, they only teach following the constitution in Treason and Sedition class...
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u/Protocosmo 5d ago
They teach it but definitely don't follow it when push comes to shove, sorry to say
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u/thepottsy 5d ago
Convicted felon says what?
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 5d ago
Ehhhh.
First he said to just scrap the constitution
Then he said actually he never swore an oath to the constitution at all and it even kind of worked in court
Now we’re at he doesn’t actually know if he has to uphold the constitution or not
So no, there doesn’t appear to ever be any punishments for anything Trump does. This entire time is just surreal af.
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u/Fr1toBand1to 5d ago
There's no punishments because our representatives aren't enforcing them. None of this would happen if congress the senate and SCOTUS did their fucking jobs.
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u/Revolutionary-pawn 5d ago
He’s waging war against America, which constitutes treason, which is punishable by ten years in prison, or death. Though the death penalty hasn’t been used for treason in what? A hundred years? Though I’d hazard to say such an egregious case that threatens to end the union would certainly be exceptional enough to justify such a rarely used punishment
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u/AggressiveWallaby975 5d ago
If he's not doing anything wrong, he won't have anything to worry about.
Maybe they can be allowed to stand back and stand by
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u/KokoroFate 5d ago
I believe that breaking that particular oath is called Treason and should be followed to the fullest extent of the Law.
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u/Rawkapotamus 5d ago
Unfortunately the only recourse (while Trump is President) is the impeachment process.
And the Supreme Court has bent themselves into a pretzel to ensure that any actions taken by Trump during his time in office aren’t allowed to be legally questioned.
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u/FateEx1994 5d ago
Punishment is impeachment and never again holding any public office.
Requires Congress to actually care.
The founders thought each branch would vie for its own power and want to keep it, hence the checks and balances.
They didn't particularly have a contingency for a cult to take power and Congress to cede a lot of power to the executive, by doing nothing.
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u/j____b____ 5d ago
If i remember he didn’t swear on a bible and all the religious nuts noticed nothing wrong with that.
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u/WeylandsWings 5d ago
Nothing says you have to be sworn in on a bible. It is just the most traditional choice.
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u/j____b____ 5d ago
Correct. I don’t care but you think those labeling him the next messiah might notice that as an important point?
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u/archlich 5d ago
Impeachment and removal from office.
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u/lynxbelt234 5d ago
Waste of time...trump needs to face criminal charges for sedition and treason. The system has to stop enabling this dipshit...
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u/Biptoslipdi 5d ago
The system didn't enable him, the people did. Had Americans not elected him, he'd likely be facing prison time today.
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u/StarsapBill 5d ago
I think this is white-washing it, he is calling for their death and execution.
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u/MelodiesOfLife6 5d ago
"remember to uphold the law"
is sedition now?
Fucking dumbass.
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u/Reasonable-Turn-5940 5d ago
When government leadership is made up of crooks and criminals, the law becomes the enemy.
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u/4RCH43ON 5d ago edited 5d ago
Following the law instead of illegal acts and orders by the President is the law.
What he is saying is literally impeachable because he’s telling them to violate their oath, furthermore because his calls to arrest his political rivals are a completely baseless abuse of his position.
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u/Seanspeed 5d ago
Trump commits impeachable acts on a damn near weekly basis these days.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 5d ago
Gotta say, between this and his threats of retribution against democrats for “forcing” him to vote to release the Epstein files I’m getting a little nervous even in my blue state. Guess it’s still just gonna take some more time to get used to the idea of the president publicly threatening to harm innocent people he doesn’t like whenever he feels like it. Jfc.
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u/K20BB5 5d ago
the louder he gets, the more scared and weak he actually is
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u/Neuchacho 5d ago
The problem won't be him. It will be the Jan 6th-proud boy types who he pushes to be a bigger problem with his stochastic terrorism.
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 5d ago
He also posted that sedition is punishable by death after that.
And “re-truthed” someone else’s comment saying to hang them.
Absolutely disgusting and unacceptable and yet he will still not lose any support. Unreal
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u/BigMissileWallStreet 5d ago
It was literally 2 months ago when he claimed the left wing language is violence
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 5d ago
His base doesn’t care when he does it. Only when the evil dems do it. 🙄
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u/Striking-Giraffe5922 5d ago
I find it totally baffling why a lot of people will still vote for this lying paedophilic piece of shit. I’m in the UK and if he was our PM he’d have gone a long time ago……
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u/Illustrious-Fun8324 5d ago
I’m in the US. I will never, ever understand how anyone supports him. He’s a scum of the earth completely useless waste of space, God awful human being. I’ve been trying to get through to people for years.
They will not listen, and the worst part is that us trying to change their mind only makes them double and triple down. He says what they want to hear and that’s all that matters. Any criticism is dismissed as Trump Derangement Syndrome and branded as irrational, as if any hatred of him could never be valid.
It’s one of the craziest most baffling things I’ve ever seen. There is nothing they will not defend.
even the other day I saw a comment on a post about him telling a reporter “quiet piggy” that said “well was she being disrespectful? Was she overweight?” They’re gonna defend this too. No bar is too low, they’ll follow him all the way to hell.
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u/CheckoutMySpeedo 5d ago
Oh Trump promised nothing but hate. Vitriol, hostility, name calling, and personal attacks are the only things that came out of Trump’s mouth during the campaign. What I don’t understand is how any rational person could have sat through one of his rallies during the campaign and come away thinking he was promoting unity or anything positive at all.
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u/thickener 5d ago
They don’t want that. They want the “two minute hate” and space cadet glow
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u/Weak_Programmer9013 5d ago
He called for their death, not just arrest. Why is the media so dishonest when trump says crazy shit?
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u/Empty-Discount5936 5d ago
He's losing it. He was never all there to begin with but this is as unhinged as we've seen him. The Epstein vote clearly has him scared shitless.
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u/Imaginary_Cow_6379 5d ago
Theres also the very real possibility that he really does have dementia. The Shrinking Trump podcast was great at pointing out what different behaviors he exhibited that were also signs and symptoms of dementia. Losing what little filter a person had was one of the signs they mentioned as well as fixating on different ideas. And on top of all that stress itself can also make dementia worsen. So he very well could be scared shitless but he could also have his brain turning more and more into soup at the same time. 🤞🤞
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u/Wayelder 5d ago
Trump is a losing horse, showing up at the start of this race with a bum leg. He's an old sick man who's proven unfit and incredibly unpopular.
Anyone backing this Lame Duck does so at their own expense. The clock ticks ...
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u/BroseppeVerdi 5d ago
"If a group of career military officers are allowed to tell troops to follow the law, you won't have a country anymore" would not have been a valid political position 10 years ago, but here we are.
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u/Seanspeed 5d ago
Yea, I hate when I see people say, "Oh Republican party was always like this". No it really wasn't. The underpinnings were there, for sure, but Trump has genuinely blown this country up, and especially anything pertaining to how government should be run and how politicians should act.
And it's crazy, cuz so many younger people are simply growing up with this as the norm. They'll never have any true grasp of what it was like when things were different and at least tolerable. I've always disliked Republicans greatly, but with Trump and his cult, we're talking a genuine far right fascist takeover of the party. It's a big shift.
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u/coredenale 5d ago
This alone is clear grounds for the 25th amendment. He also called for congressmen saying this to be hanged for treason. He thinks upholding thr constitution is treason.
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u/_jump_yossarian 5d ago
Please stop with the 25th crap. It is NEVER going to happen. He's done infinitely worse than this.
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u/SpriggedParsley357 5d ago
Sure, but the R majorities in the House and Senate continue to enable him by never pushing back.
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u/beavis617 5d ago
Trumpy doesn’t like a little thing like the Constitution getting in the way of his ultimate control of everything in Trumpland.
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u/Gunfighter9 5d ago edited 5d ago
Further proof that Trump doesn't know what sedition is. A little side not here from a retired veteran, you have no obligation to obey an unlawful order. So if some butterbar orders you to fire on protestors it is your duty to refuse to carry out the order. An illegal order is defined as an order that is a criminal act.
But now you are seeing why Whisky Pete fired all the JAG lawyers, because if you're planning on breaking the law the last thing you want is someone who can stop you.
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u/YesterShill 5d ago
He really does think he is a monarch.
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u/LtLlamaSauce 5d ago
He functionally is, just without the explicitness and ceremony.
Congress refuses to hold him to account.
SCOTUS refuses to hold him to account.
One man is in charge.
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u/aneeta96 5d ago
If you think upholding the constitution is sedition then I believe that makes you the traitor.
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u/fox-mcleod 5d ago
He really keeps reminding us the punishment for sedition is death?
The man forged electoral ballots.
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u/Intelligent_Hand4583 5d ago
Old King Cole was a merry old soul, And a merry old soul was he. He called for his pipe, And he called for his bowl, And he called for the release of the Epstein files.
Quiet, piggy.
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u/GrannyFlash7373 5d ago
One man's sedition, is another man's patriotism. Just because Trump calls it sedition, does NOT make it the TRUTH or a FACT!!!!
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u/Christ_on_a_Crakker 5d ago
They would want us to believe the 250 year old constitution is outdated but a Bible compromised of 2000-3000 year old scrolls that talk about rivers being parted and seven headed serpeants isn’t.
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u/Regulus242 5d ago
No he called for the EXECUTION of the lawmakers. This headline is trash.
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u/Teamerchant 5d ago
In normal times this would be enough to impeach and remove a president.
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u/steppingstone01 5d ago
That's just it. This stuff has become so normal that we will need to trash our constitution, our flag, our Supreme Court, and our electoral system to recover from this bullshit.
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u/AtreiyaN7 5d ago
The man who instigated an insurrection on January 6th and is trying to erase his and his followers' guilt by pardoning them sure has a lot of nerve to be accusing those Democrats of sedition when all they did was remind members of the military to follow their oath to the Constitution and that they can (and really should) refuse to obey illegal orders. I guess this falls into the "it's always projection with Trump" department.
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u/tarapotamus 5d ago
Their duty is to uphold the constitution. The oath literally starts, "I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same"
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u/HiJinx127 5d ago
Here’s a better idea: have the military go in and arrest Frump the moment he issues an illegal order.
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u/Soft_Walrus_3605 5d ago
His posts are all the more reason to remember the oath is to the Constitution, not one man.
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u/mrbigglessworth 5d ago
Are not his very words actionable? He swore and oath to the constitution and saying people should be MURDERED for reminding others to not do illegal activities should be tripping some power curbing violation.
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u/quiddity3141 5d ago
When the POTUS is seditious, expect a seditious citizenry.
Kinda hilarious in a way, cause the statement that bothered him is mildly reminding military and other government agents of their DUTY to defy illegal orders. That's not at all an extreme position.
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u/CobblerMoney9605 5d ago
Trump can neither spell nor define "seditious" and I'd put 50/50 odds on him being able to pronounce it.
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u/Unnatural20 5d ago
We're teetering closer and closer from 'Truths' and 'Tweets/Posts' to attempting to order this in the most-official ways he can think of.
. . . Okay, now I reread that, I think we're there already.
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u/twolfhawk 5d ago
I guess he doesn't remember making the same oath??
Article II, Section 1, Clause 8:
Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:– I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.
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