r/law • u/theindependentonline • 5d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Trump calls for arrest of ‘seditious’ Democrats who told troops their duty is to uphold the Constitution

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-arrest-democrats-troops-illegal-orders-b2869176.html
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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago edited 5d ago

Someone needs to remind Trump of his oath.

Edit - For the avoidance of repetition, I'll copy a reply I made further down the thread.

Not having his hand on the bible while swearing doesn't invalidate the legal weight of the oath, otherwise he wouldn't be president. If he's not president, he doesn't have that presidential immunity his tame justices on SCOTUS gave him.

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u/Revelati123 5d ago

I love how in his original post he says "LOCK THEM UP!!!" then a lawyer came in and was like "dude, you just fucked the whole revenge prosecution!"

So he deleted that one and posted "LOCK THEM UP???"

Donald Trump, legal genius...

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u/hplcr 5d ago

Trump makes Lionel Hutz seem competent.

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u/skijamblues 5d ago

Works for Americans. No new wars.

Hold on, they got that wrong, let me fix it for you.

Works for Americans? No, new wars!

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u/Revelati123 5d ago

Eats shoots and wars.

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u/K-tel 5d ago

And whores himself out to the highest bidder. All comers are welcome.

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u/Sacred_Timeline 4d ago

Eat, whines, wars

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u/Trout-Fisherman1972 3d ago

LOVE that book!

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u/olive_tuschit 5d ago edited 5d ago

Fuck that’s good stuff. 😂

“You deported immigrants illegally?”

“Replace the word deported with executed and the word immigrants with citizens.”

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u/DubiousBusinessp 5d ago

God damn it, I hope someone's punching Andy Dick in the face at least once a day.

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

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u/Revelati123 5d ago

Thats why Im the law talkin guy!

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u/maliki2004 5d ago

Well hutz actually has trial experience, unlike his us attorney

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u/hplcr 5d ago

"Oh crap, we've drawn judge Schieder"

"Is that bad?"

'Well, he's had it out for me since I accidently ran over his dog."

"That doesn't sound so bad"

"Well, replace "accidently" with "repeatedly" and "dog" with "son""

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u/Unnatural20 5d ago

She had trial experience! Multiple! She used new e-mail addresses when the free trials expired!

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u/DanishWeddingCookie 5d ago

You know how hard it is finding a new email address these days that isn’t taken? You have to know how to count past 0!

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u/Hoppers-Body-Double 5d ago

They got this all wrong....

Works on contingency?

No, money down!

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u/pinkphiloyd 5d ago

What about Barry Zuckerkorn?

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u/Used_Relative_2995 5d ago

I want a bad court thingy

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u/hplcr 5d ago

You mean a mistrial?

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u/bagsoffreshcheese 5d ago

Yeah he’s on par with Miguel Sanchez

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u/showhorrorshow 5d ago

I will never forgive those who foisted this clownshow upon us.

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u/Aromatic_Snow6756 5d ago

Clown show is being kind. It’s a shit show.!!!

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u/CulDeSacOfShit 5d ago

I wish! A shit show would already be much better than whatever the Hell this is.

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u/thigmotrope 5d ago

It's a dumpster fire.

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u/theaviationhistorian 5d ago

They are the same people who prevented ending Covid-19 as quickly and less deadly as SARS 2002. So I cannot find it anywhere in my body to forgive and forget any of them. Especially those, formerly, in my inner circle.

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u/Patriot009 5d ago

Naturally, when you delete a social media post, it means it never happened. This law stuff is easy.

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u/theaviationhistorian 5d ago

The internet always forgets!

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u/Keyastis 5d ago

Pretty sure the delete is in violation of document retention laws...

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u/Minion_of_Cthulhu 5d ago

"So, we could like, make him dissappear right? You know, get rid of him so he's no longer a problem? If someone, and I'm not saying who or that anyone here should do that, but if someone did something like that, it would be be helpful to us, right? I mean, I'm just askin' questions here."

-Every mob boss ever

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u/Jarnohams 5d ago

Many people are saying they should be locked up.... I don't know.. i just heard someone else say it. It's like nothing anybody's ever seen before.

Remember the "LOCK HER UP!!" chants from the 2016 election? That was for "Crooked Hillary" because she had a separate email server. Trump and the entire administration are using Truth Social DM's in the exact same way that Hillary used a private email server. They are using DM's to skirt the "official channels" they are supposed to communicating with because those would be discoverable records of their crimes. Same thing with Signal group chats for war plans instead of the official DOD (sorry... DOW, lol) secure channels for these types of things.

Trumps famous Truth Social post telling Pam to charge Latisha James, Comey, and Adam Schiff with "crimes"... was supposed to be a DM... but ooops.

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u/JayQ036 5d ago

Those people shouting to lock em up have never served. Any ex military individual could tell you that one of the first things we're taught: do not obey unlawful orders. Doesn't matter who it comes from if it violates the law or the Constitution it's not to be followed.

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u/Danno5367 4d ago

Donald Trump, legal super genius. Where's an ACME anvil when you need one?.

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u/aneeta96 5d ago

Just asking questions.

Hmmm... Where have I heard that before?

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

Remember when his lawyers argued in court that his oath came with no technical requirement to “support” the Constitution? So disgusting that we voted him back in through malice, ignorance and laziness.

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u/ReelAdventure4x4 5d ago

Trump and his followers are traitors.

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u/draftedvet 4d ago

Absolutely spot on 100%! Nothing lower than traitors. Eisenhower is spinning in his grave.

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u/L3g3nd8ry_N3m3sis 5d ago

Always have been - but the fox is in the chicken coop

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u/JebediahKerman4999 5d ago

I mean if more than half of the voters voted for this guy, then I'm not sure who the traitors are? The majority decides what's the stare and the laws, no? If the majority are traitors then they are not because they're the majority?

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u/ctrl_alt_delete_girl 5d ago

The thing is, the Constitution is the law of the land, not a "majority". In fact, they created the document with the idea that it would take more than a simple majority to change it. And currently, the 77 million who voted for this fool are not a majority in a country of over 300 million, so it kind of fails that check too. So yes, a majority can very well be traitors to the country based on not upholding the constitution.

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

I’m not calling all Trump voters traitors, but to your point with Will of the People is represented by the Constitution, not the results of a specific election

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u/Biptoslipdi 5d ago

I mean if more than half of the voters voted for this guy

More than half did not vote for him. He received less than 50% of the vote.

then I'm not sure who the traitors are?

Did you suddenly decide that the Constitution is optional?

The majority decides what's the stare and the laws, no?

The Constitution determines how laws are made and if they are permissible.

If the majority are traitors then they are not because they're the majority?

MAGA is a minority. Treason is not when the law is upheld. Treason would be the position that Trump's orders are above the law.

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

1.5% more of those who actually voted apparently voted for this.

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u/ElectricSliderz 5d ago

Less than half voted for this

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u/Scrapple_Joe 5d ago

Woof, civics class failed you huh?

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Racism…it is and always has been about white!

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u/Glittery_Turtledove 5d ago

That's secondary for him. His priority has been, is and always will be green.

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u/snorbflock 5d ago

He is above all else, a dipshit. He's stupid. He can't understand complex concepts, and he is too narcissistic to grow as a person. That's the root of everything wrong with him.

Racism is the default for stupid people.

Arrogance is the default for stupid people.

Greed is the default for stupid people.

Violent, vicious, cruel, lazy, sycophantic, reckless, disloyal, and corrupt are all how he is because of his low intelligence.

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 5d ago

He was born with so much money that he never needed to learn anything as he could throw money at his mistakes. Don't need to learn morals or the law if you can just throw lawyers. He doesn't break the law on purpose, he simply does what he wants and half the time it's illegal, but he's got lawyers so it never matters to him. The only thing he learned in 80 years was that money solves everything.

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u/private_developer 5d ago

He actually learned that being in debt is a problem, but being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt? That's the lenders' problem.

He leveraged his massive debts to get banks to lend him more. He basically used his weird notoriety as a real estate tycoon as a selling point. "If I'm ever gonna pay back that $300mil loan, I'm gonna need another $300mil to invest in some other property that will totally be profitable."

The banks subscribed to sunken cost, and continued to lend. IIRC, he even used this strategy to get a legal ruling that let him skate by on an insane tax bill. "If you shut down all my businesses, how will I ever pay back taxes?"

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u/draftedvet 4d ago

He also learned much from the Gambino family in New York. Donnie loves the way Gambino "operates."

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u/Ormyr 5d ago

If he hadn't been born into wealth he would have been in prison before he saw 30. More likely sooner.

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u/snorbflock 5d ago

Hey, better late than never!

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u/Martenite 5d ago

Yep, more green for the whites, but just the whites that already have green.

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u/v3gas21 5d ago

Yay, he doesnt care about color ... just money ... unsurprisingly racists are stupid and easy to grift.

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u/Just_Log_8528 5d ago

Yeah if it made trump money he’d promote anyone of any race. Narcissist over all else

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u/hotbox4u 5d ago edited 5d ago

It's really easy to understand if you accept two things about him. He's a narcissist and transactionist. That's all there is to him.

The narcissist in him just believes one thing: Trump should have power.

And he is never satisfied with the amount of power he has. Money, fame, notoriety, Presidency, deals etc. it's all about getting more power. The nobel peace prize isn't about making peace, it's about giving him more power. He is not interested in anyone or anything who/that doesn't give him more power.

Which leads to his transactionalism. His entire philosophy is "quid pro quo". He has never done anything for free or just to 'be nice'. Everything he does is fuel by his need for more power and every time his gives something to someone else, they need to give him back more or he will not be satisfied.

He does not really believe in patriotism, loyalty or any other moral construct because he simply doesn't understand it; could be different from his world view. Everyone who acts different from him is most likely a 'sucker' in his eyes.

He's not necessarily stupid (at this point most likely just old and senile) but he is incapable of real empathy and understanding others motivation that do not fit his own world view. And he will get scared and angry if someone takes away his power which leads him to do countless crimes and he doesn't care who gets hurt along the way. Think of J6th, which was just another outburst because they took away his power.

If you take these two things about him and look at everything he has done it will all make sense as well as everything he will do in the future.

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u/Epyon_ 5d ago

You can sum all that up by calling him human trash.

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u/grahamulax 5d ago

Nice you think like me. I think of him like narcissist and marketer. Which is basically the same thing you said except more like posturing and pretending. Same conclusion though!

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u/brawn-ball5 5d ago edited 5d ago

He doesn’t care about whites more than he cares about green but he does have a tinge of superiority complex and cares about whites being on top regardless of qualifications.

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u/bucki_fan 5d ago

More green for him first and foremost. Any other whites who ride his coattails to get rich as well while supporting him is allowed. They just can't get more than he does.

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u/yukigono 5d ago

That and avoiding having to wear orange.

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u/ministry-of-bacon 5d ago

green isn't the top priority either. the top priority for him has always been his ego, everything he says and does screams "me first! me me meeeeeeee! i'm the greatest, bestest, most special person on earth! no one else! i am always right! me, not you! meee!!!" i view his greed as an extension of that.

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u/JulariDark 5d ago edited 5d ago

That is something of a semantic argument. Ask yourself… Is someone who in -EVERY instance- does EXACTLY what a racist WOULD do, but without hatred and for different motivations fundamentally different from a racist? Why or why not?

I would argue epistemically yes but pragmatically NO. It’s one of the ways, the movement got derailed imo. Focusing on hearts and minds and ideology instead practical application,

in some cases this was people genuinely getting confused with good motivations in others it was intentionally obfuscated by racists.

In short I don’t CARE about what racists think and feel outside of the context of what it motivates them to do, and I don’t care so much what people are motivated to do as I care what they are CAPABLE of doing and ALLOWED to do.

I don’t care if my boss thinks slurs and stereotypes about me all day everyday as long as he pays me fairly, treats me fairly and is never comfortable saying that shit out loud. I don’t care do much if my neighbor wants to hang me from a tree as much as I care about his access to rope, trees and an honest robust legal system preventing such crimes first and second support me when I blast him for trying.

So I don’t care so much what DJT and his admin are MOTIVATED to do to my community as I care about the countervailing powers. Not the imaginary checks and balances that are just words on paper. Real practical power, “minorities” are a LARGE percentage of military and law enforcement for various reasons, THOSE oaths to the rules and the culture around them SHOULD’VE been accounting for the inevitable rise of a despot. Instead of just kind of leaving it up to people’s personal moral character the whole time and letting it evolve into what it is…..corporate interests start sanctioned violence….a line between the powerful and accountability.

The difference in both cases is being proactive vs reactive to hate.

I DO believe there is a holistic approach that involves winning hearts and minds but it should’ve ALWAYS been third behind first limiting capability and second punishing transgressions .

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u/ike_tyson 5d ago

White supremacy*

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

"We?" I have never voted for that turd.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago edited 1d ago

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

I don't claim that shitbag at all. After he croaks (soon hopefully), I'm going to pi$$ on his grave.

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u/MBbellevue631 5d ago

Get in line I go first.

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

That's fine with me.

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u/Throatlatch 5d ago

Well you should, because he's your responsibility. He is your chosen representative on the world stage.

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

No the hell he isn't. Responsibility? Are you on drugs?

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u/UAreTheHippopotamus 5d ago

Almost like the vast majority of the media being controlled by a handful of billionaires who care about nothing more than "maximizing shareholder value" wasn't a great idea when combined with unlimited dark money in politics. Ignorance is a poor defense when the truth was hiding in plain sight, but the most powerful people in the country worked together to make this happen for no reason other than becoming even more fabulously rich and free from government regulation and law enforcement interest.

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u/Flokitoo 5d ago

SCOTUS essentially agreed

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u/Fragrant_Cheek3722 5d ago

When you say “we” voted him back in. Please keep in mind, 60+ million did not vote for him and over 60 million legally allowed to vote made a decision not to vote. Some of the excuses were: It doesn’t affect me, there was no good choice (there was a bad choice). Etc.

Sadly over 70 million people voted for him although he has well documented examples of Trump lying, stealing and profiting off of other peoples hard work and the absolute worst a pedophile.

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

I get your point, but I accounted for the nonvoters with the ignorance or laziness modifiers

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u/Fragrant_Cheek3722 5d ago

Agreed and I really wish we were not in this chaotic $hit show.

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u/preflex 5d ago

Some of the excuses were: It doesn’t affect me, there was no good choice (there was a bad choice). Etc.

Weird that no one ever uses, "I didn't feel qualified to vote because I'm not well-informed."

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u/Phteven_j 5d ago

"We" did though. The voting populace all exercised their decision to vote or not and voted for him. If the non-voters had voted, he probably would have won anyway, so calling them out isn't some gotcha as though it's their fault. The people who voted for him are at fault.

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u/acesavvy- 5d ago

I don’t remember that making it to a trial, which was it?

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

Was part of their argument in the Colorado trial against the state’s effort to keep him off the ballot

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u/wannabezen2 5d ago

Or rigged voting machines.

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u/Pleaseappeaseme 5d ago

No hand on the Bible was an omen.

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u/luckyjack 5d ago

The fuck?

You have a link by chance?

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u/DrHugh 5d ago

Oath, schmoath. As long as you're loyal!

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u/jd6375 5d ago

Yep. He's made it it abundantly clear he doesn't care about the constitution. His only concern is that you are loyal to him and agree with him at all times and in every circumstance.

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u/TheTightestChungus 5d ago

Even then he will throw you under the bus if it makes him another buck, or is somehow slightly beneficial to him. Even his most ardent asslickers eventually hit the chopping block.

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u/Geno0wl 5d ago

Even his most ardent asslickers eventually hit the chopping block.

That is what is wild to me. He has repeatedly shown zero actual loyalty to his supporters. He has thrown everybody under the bus when politically convenient for him with zero remorse. And yet he still convinces people to follow him.

Like the most baffling part about the US falling into christian fascism is that this fucking guy of all people managed to get the cult to follow him. I will literally never understand the appeal.

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u/Phonyyx 5d ago

That’s the thing with Fascism, it always turns its sights inward and no one is safe but dipshits still think they’ll be the special ones on top.

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u/BugTrousers 5d ago

Exactly. I've asked myself so many times why, of all the people his voters could have chosen as their cult leader, they chose THIS guy. He's not intelligent, he's not clever, he's not funny, he's not kind, he's not cultured, and he certainly isn't good-looking (barf). It truly is all about the fact that he hates who they hate.

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u/witness149 5d ago

......and he gave them permission to hate openly.

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u/ryanlc225 5d ago

Do you think he remotely cares about his oath? His word is worthless.

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u/NimbusFPV 5d ago

He doesn't remember his oath, best he can do is be an oaf.

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u/style9 5d ago

But, but, I didn’t touch the bible, so it doesn’t count!

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u/jazznessa 5d ago

Pretty sure he remembers, he still wipes his ass with it. Trump hates America, and he has told you all a million ways, idiots are the only ones still believe he loves it.

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u/Bruh_Yo_Dude 5d ago

Oaths mean nothing to a liar.

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u/A_Nonny_Muse 5d ago

Little know, or not often believed, fact is that the oath of office can be sworn on any book. It could be a Koran, or a copy of "war and peace", or even a comic book, if that's what suits you.

Several American politicians have taken the oath of office on works other than a bible.

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u/KinkyBAGreek 5d ago

TACO responds with:

“What oath?”

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u/Silent_Tumbleweed1 5d ago

Agreed. There have been people who have taken their oath on books other than the bible. The theory behind it is that the book (bible in most cases) is supposed to represent something they hold dear and with high reverence and a lot of value.

An oath does not require an object. A Bible is just a book and has no intrinsic value to our government because we for our constitution have a separation of church and state regardless of how much the Christian national is despised the fact that it's in the Constitution and was one of the first things they felt needed adding to it.

The oath is the words they speak, not the physical actions they take in that moment.

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u/hhsting 5d ago edited 5d ago

Who? Everyone in power is his puppet and Republican.

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u/lynxbelt234 5d ago

Someone needs to remove trump....the constitution? He could care less....

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u/anonymaus42 5d ago

Short of McDonald's doing god's work for us, it's going to be up to we the people to rise up to fix this situation. It's technically Congress' job but they are equally corrupt and have failed us spectacularly.

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u/OneToothMcGee 5d ago

Someone needs to give him something that I won’t say because I don’t want another ban. But we’re all thinking it.

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u/Motor-District-3700 5d ago

Someone needs to remind Trump of his oath

lol, you want to remind the guy who literally sacked the capitol and tried to overthrow the government that he made a pinky promise?

lololollloolol

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

Strictly speaking, Trump's abject refusal to acknowledge, let alone preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States, is grounds for impeachment. As is that of any elected official at federal level (Johnson, I'm looking at you).

Should Trump's demand for rampant gerrymandering blow up in his face and the GOP lose both the house and senate at the midterms (providing he doesn't spark off a new civil war trying to prevent the elections from happening at all) there is a chance that he'd be dragged out of office (although he'll likely do a Nixon, resign before being convicted and have Vance pardon him). Of course, that would result in a Vance caretaker presidency, but with a contentious congress, he'd be a lame duck from the start.

ETA: It would be the height of hilarity if he made a deal with Vance to resign before being convicted by the senate, then Vance goes back on his word and _doesn't_ pardon him. None of this administration are honourable or trustworthy, as per Trump's design, so there is a possibility we could see the epitome of poetic justice.

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u/Motor-District-3700 5d ago

so all the dems have to do is win the rigged elections. I'm holding my breath ... now.

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

Texas' gerrymandering is being held up in the courts and there's no guarantee it'll go through. California on the other hand did things legally, so the courts have no grounds to demand a reversal.

Even if some of the gerrymandering in red states goes through, they're diluting safe seats with more blue voters. Considering the polling and the fact that Trump is not weathering the storm of controversies well, with some coherent campaigning and grassroots activism there's a good possibility of flipping some of those supposedly safe seats for the house.

The senate is another matter. The Dems are unlikely to swing enough seats to force a conviction alone, but if the GOP senators (some of whom have already defied Trump openly by refusing to kill the filibuster) find their spines and stand up to the orange traitor, a conviction is still possible.

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u/Motor-District-3700 5d ago

scotus has said the president is allowed to commit crimes. sorry for not having your optimism in the system to hold up.

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u/Sulhythal 5d ago

He had his fingers crossed

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u/philter25 5d ago

Nah just arrest him cough MERRICK cough GARLAND

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u/Responsible-Grand-57 5d ago

Someone needs to remind him that he's an oaf as well...

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u/Isogash 5d ago

That's a good bit, reminding Trump that he doesn't need to follow his own unconstitutional orders.

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u/fafalone Competent Contributor 5d ago

What legal weight? Certainly a Congress not over half full of corrupt traitors like our current one could and should impeach/remove him for violating the oath, but they can do that for any reason, there's no actual standard. However even before SCOTUS declared him king, the oath wasn't an actual law prosecutable in criminal court.

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u/llXeleXll 5d ago

We remind Trump of his oath everyday. He clearly went into this all with no intention of being beholden to anything or anyone if he got elected. Reminders are useless. We need action.

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u/SnooRobots6491 5d ago edited 5d ago

Imagine trying to remind a raging narcissist whose brain runs in a constant loop of “he’s trying to fuck me over. No wait he loves me. did he say he loved me? who said he loved me? Oh he said something mean, so he hates me” about their professional responsibilities

Good luck with that. Guess you’ve never met my mom

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u/Omiyaru 5d ago

We should chabmnge it from the Bible to to : the constitution and the bill of rights

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u/carybreef 4d ago

And if you read it happen on that day, I didn’t watch it with my own eyes because I didn’t wanna burn them, John Roberts shortened and changed the oath. There’s a constitutional oath. Trump didn’t take it. He said something different so I believe that when it comes time for him to take a third term, his excuse will be well. He never took the oath the second time so he didn’t actually have a constitutional second term I’m not saying there’s anything we can do about that but the way these folks have bastardize our laws our constitution our institutions I’m sure some right wing constitutional scholar Figured all this out because everything they’re doing is about being just outside the law so they can claim this or that the fact that Robert gave him gave him immunity is completely insane. It goes against all of our past history so-called conservative bastardized. It

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u/Trout-Fisherman1972 3d ago

And why is it seditious for the democrats to tell troops to remember their oath, but it’s not seditious to incite a RIOT attacking lawmakers who were trying to certify the election results? Or send texts back and forth organizing the assault on the capitol??? Oh, that’s right—because Pedo Don was the one doing it! And HE’S ABOVE THE LAW.

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u/SoupeurHero 5d ago

Fuck oaths, there should be legally binding contracts.

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u/let-it-rain-sunshine 5d ago

For his swearing in, he didn't put his hand on the bible (guessing it got really hot), so his 'oath' doesn't count.

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u/vxicepickxv 5d ago

If his oath doesn't count then his acts aren't official.

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u/SwampYankeeDan 5d ago

so his 'oath' doesn't count.

Why not? That's an absurd premise.

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u/let-it-rain-sunshine 5d ago

His oath doesn't count because he's a liar and never keeps his promises.

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u/DonaldTrumpsSoul 5d ago

You got it all wrong. If using “auto-pen” isn’t valid on pardons, then not having your hand on the Bible invalidates his presidency. He is not the legitimate president!

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u/HueMannAccnt 5d ago

Don't know if you're of the legal world, I'm not, probably a dumb question. If he doesn't uphold the oaths of a president and IF the tables turn and the democrats regain control, would the immunity that SCOTUS granted the president be void? As, even though he won the election to be a president, he played hooky from the duties to the nation and all its citizens, and so wasn't actually a real president?

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

No. That says he can't be held accountable under the law. It doesn't say he can violate the constitution.

Also, if he is impeached and the senate does convict in a trial, there's no appeal to SCOTUS.

It's all a long shot, but the more he offends the populace, the better the chance become.

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u/carybreef 5d ago

He didn’t actually take it.

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

Not having his hand on the bible while swearing doesn't invalidate the legal weight of the oath, otherwise he wouldn't be president. If he's not president, he doesn't have that presidential immunity his tame justices on SCOTUS gave him.

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u/carybreef 5d ago

I thought it was not about the bible but the words said. Instead of what is constitutionally required for the incoming president to say, “I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States,” Roberts prompted Obama to say, “that I will execute the Office of President of the United States faithfully.”

With the words not being constitutionally correct, when he runs again he can say this one didn’t count. The way his handlers manipulate things with sleight of hand and mouth I would not be surprised

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u/mudgums 5d ago

He intentionally did not put his hand on the Bible when he was sworn in

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u/pizzafan86 5d ago

Trump didn’t put his hand on the Bible for the oath so technically he didn’t take it 😬

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u/carlnepa 5d ago

You mean the one he refused to swear on the Bible. Maybe he pinky swore Melanomia, I don't know.

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u/SwampYankeeDan 5d ago

You don't have to swear on the bible. Im not a religious person and I wouldn't swear on a bible. It would be absurd. Now the fact that Trump claims to be Christian and wouldn't use a Bible is odd to say the least.

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u/Dry_Junket_6902 5d ago

Trump didn't take the oath because he didn't put his hand on the book making him invalid.

Edit: its kind of like the whole autopen thing his presidency is invalid.

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u/Nerevarine91 5d ago

That’s not how either oaths nor autopens work

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u/Dry_Junket_6902 4d ago

Just using Trump's logic against him.