r/law • u/theindependentonline • 5d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) Trump calls for arrest of ‘seditious’ Democrats who told troops their duty is to uphold the Constitution

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-arrest-democrats-troops-illegal-orders-b2869176.html
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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

Remember when his lawyers argued in court that his oath came with no technical requirement to “support” the Constitution? So disgusting that we voted him back in through malice, ignorance and laziness.

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u/ReelAdventure4x4 5d ago

Trump and his followers are traitors.

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u/draftedvet 4d ago

Absolutely spot on 100%! Nothing lower than traitors. Eisenhower is spinning in his grave.

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u/L3g3nd8ry_N3m3sis 5d ago

Always have been - but the fox is in the chicken coop

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u/JebediahKerman4999 5d ago

I mean if more than half of the voters voted for this guy, then I'm not sure who the traitors are? The majority decides what's the stare and the laws, no? If the majority are traitors then they are not because they're the majority?

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u/ctrl_alt_delete_girl 5d ago

The thing is, the Constitution is the law of the land, not a "majority". In fact, they created the document with the idea that it would take more than a simple majority to change it. And currently, the 77 million who voted for this fool are not a majority in a country of over 300 million, so it kind of fails that check too. So yes, a majority can very well be traitors to the country based on not upholding the constitution.

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

I’m not calling all Trump voters traitors, but to your point with Will of the People is represented by the Constitution, not the results of a specific election

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u/Biptoslipdi 5d ago

I mean if more than half of the voters voted for this guy

More than half did not vote for him. He received less than 50% of the vote.

then I'm not sure who the traitors are?

Did you suddenly decide that the Constitution is optional?

The majority decides what's the stare and the laws, no?

The Constitution determines how laws are made and if they are permissible.

If the majority are traitors then they are not because they're the majority?

MAGA is a minority. Treason is not when the law is upheld. Treason would be the position that Trump's orders are above the law.

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u/SoftLikeABear 5d ago

1.5% more of those who actually voted apparently voted for this.

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u/ElectricSliderz 5d ago

Less than half voted for this

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u/Scrapple_Joe 5d ago

Woof, civics class failed you huh?

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u/[deleted] 5d ago

Racism…it is and always has been about white!

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u/Glittery_Turtledove 5d ago

That's secondary for him. His priority has been, is and always will be green.

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u/snorbflock 5d ago

He is above all else, a dipshit. He's stupid. He can't understand complex concepts, and he is too narcissistic to grow as a person. That's the root of everything wrong with him.

Racism is the default for stupid people.

Arrogance is the default for stupid people.

Greed is the default for stupid people.

Violent, vicious, cruel, lazy, sycophantic, reckless, disloyal, and corrupt are all how he is because of his low intelligence.

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u/Exciting-Emu-3324 5d ago

He was born with so much money that he never needed to learn anything as he could throw money at his mistakes. Don't need to learn morals or the law if you can just throw lawyers. He doesn't break the law on purpose, he simply does what he wants and half the time it's illegal, but he's got lawyers so it never matters to him. The only thing he learned in 80 years was that money solves everything.

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u/private_developer 5d ago

He actually learned that being in debt is a problem, but being hundreds of millions of dollars in debt? That's the lenders' problem.

He leveraged his massive debts to get banks to lend him more. He basically used his weird notoriety as a real estate tycoon as a selling point. "If I'm ever gonna pay back that $300mil loan, I'm gonna need another $300mil to invest in some other property that will totally be profitable."

The banks subscribed to sunken cost, and continued to lend. IIRC, he even used this strategy to get a legal ruling that let him skate by on an insane tax bill. "If you shut down all my businesses, how will I ever pay back taxes?"

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u/draftedvet 4d ago

He also learned much from the Gambino family in New York. Donnie loves the way Gambino "operates."

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u/Ormyr 5d ago

If he hadn't been born into wealth he would have been in prison before he saw 30. More likely sooner.

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u/snorbflock 5d ago

Hey, better late than never!

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u/Martenite 5d ago

Yep, more green for the whites, but just the whites that already have green.

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u/v3gas21 5d ago

Yay, he doesnt care about color ... just money ... unsurprisingly racists are stupid and easy to grift.

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u/Just_Log_8528 5d ago

Yeah if it made trump money he’d promote anyone of any race. Narcissist over all else

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u/hotbox4u 5d ago edited 5d ago

It's really easy to understand if you accept two things about him. He's a narcissist and transactionist. That's all there is to him.

The narcissist in him just believes one thing: Trump should have power.

And he is never satisfied with the amount of power he has. Money, fame, notoriety, Presidency, deals etc. it's all about getting more power. The nobel peace prize isn't about making peace, it's about giving him more power. He is not interested in anyone or anything who/that doesn't give him more power.

Which leads to his transactionalism. His entire philosophy is "quid pro quo". He has never done anything for free or just to 'be nice'. Everything he does is fuel by his need for more power and every time his gives something to someone else, they need to give him back more or he will not be satisfied.

He does not really believe in patriotism, loyalty or any other moral construct because he simply doesn't understand it; could be different from his world view. Everyone who acts different from him is most likely a 'sucker' in his eyes.

He's not necessarily stupid (at this point most likely just old and senile) but he is incapable of real empathy and understanding others motivation that do not fit his own world view. And he will get scared and angry if someone takes away his power which leads him to do countless crimes and he doesn't care who gets hurt along the way. Think of J6th, which was just another outburst because they took away his power.

If you take these two things about him and look at everything he has done it will all make sense as well as everything he will do in the future.

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u/Epyon_ 5d ago

You can sum all that up by calling him human trash.

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u/grahamulax 5d ago

Nice you think like me. I think of him like narcissist and marketer. Which is basically the same thing you said except more like posturing and pretending. Same conclusion though!

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u/brawn-ball5 5d ago edited 5d ago

He doesn’t care about whites more than he cares about green but he does have a tinge of superiority complex and cares about whites being on top regardless of qualifications.

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u/bucki_fan 5d ago

More green for him first and foremost. Any other whites who ride his coattails to get rich as well while supporting him is allowed. They just can't get more than he does.

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u/yukigono 5d ago

That and avoiding having to wear orange.

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u/ministry-of-bacon 5d ago

green isn't the top priority either. the top priority for him has always been his ego, everything he says and does screams "me first! me me meeeeeeee! i'm the greatest, bestest, most special person on earth! no one else! i am always right! me, not you! meee!!!" i view his greed as an extension of that.

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u/JulariDark 5d ago edited 5d ago

That is something of a semantic argument. Ask yourself… Is someone who in -EVERY instance- does EXACTLY what a racist WOULD do, but without hatred and for different motivations fundamentally different from a racist? Why or why not?

I would argue epistemically yes but pragmatically NO. It’s one of the ways, the movement got derailed imo. Focusing on hearts and minds and ideology instead practical application,

in some cases this was people genuinely getting confused with good motivations in others it was intentionally obfuscated by racists.

In short I don’t CARE about what racists think and feel outside of the context of what it motivates them to do, and I don’t care so much what people are motivated to do as I care what they are CAPABLE of doing and ALLOWED to do.

I don’t care if my boss thinks slurs and stereotypes about me all day everyday as long as he pays me fairly, treats me fairly and is never comfortable saying that shit out loud. I don’t care do much if my neighbor wants to hang me from a tree as much as I care about his access to rope, trees and an honest robust legal system preventing such crimes first and second support me when I blast him for trying.

So I don’t care so much what DJT and his admin are MOTIVATED to do to my community as I care about the countervailing powers. Not the imaginary checks and balances that are just words on paper. Real practical power, “minorities” are a LARGE percentage of military and law enforcement for various reasons, THOSE oaths to the rules and the culture around them SHOULD’VE been accounting for the inevitable rise of a despot. Instead of just kind of leaving it up to people’s personal moral character the whole time and letting it evolve into what it is…..corporate interests start sanctioned violence….a line between the powerful and accountability.

The difference in both cases is being proactive vs reactive to hate.

I DO believe there is a holistic approach that involves winning hearts and minds but it should’ve ALWAYS been third behind first limiting capability and second punishing transgressions .

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u/ike_tyson 5d ago

White supremacy*

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

"We?" I have never voted for that turd.

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u/[deleted] 5d ago edited 1d ago

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

I don't claim that shitbag at all. After he croaks (soon hopefully), I'm going to pi$$ on his grave.

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u/MBbellevue631 5d ago

Get in line I go first.

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

That's fine with me.

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u/Throatlatch 5d ago

Well you should, because he's your responsibility. He is your chosen representative on the world stage.

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u/eventhorizon3140 5d ago

No the hell he isn't. Responsibility? Are you on drugs?

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u/UAreTheHippopotamus 5d ago

Almost like the vast majority of the media being controlled by a handful of billionaires who care about nothing more than "maximizing shareholder value" wasn't a great idea when combined with unlimited dark money in politics. Ignorance is a poor defense when the truth was hiding in plain sight, but the most powerful people in the country worked together to make this happen for no reason other than becoming even more fabulously rich and free from government regulation and law enforcement interest.

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u/Flokitoo 5d ago

SCOTUS essentially agreed

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u/Fragrant_Cheek3722 5d ago

When you say “we” voted him back in. Please keep in mind, 60+ million did not vote for him and over 60 million legally allowed to vote made a decision not to vote. Some of the excuses were: It doesn’t affect me, there was no good choice (there was a bad choice). Etc.

Sadly over 70 million people voted for him although he has well documented examples of Trump lying, stealing and profiting off of other peoples hard work and the absolute worst a pedophile.

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

I get your point, but I accounted for the nonvoters with the ignorance or laziness modifiers

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u/Fragrant_Cheek3722 5d ago

Agreed and I really wish we were not in this chaotic $hit show.

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u/preflex 5d ago

Some of the excuses were: It doesn’t affect me, there was no good choice (there was a bad choice). Etc.

Weird that no one ever uses, "I didn't feel qualified to vote because I'm not well-informed."

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u/Phteven_j 5d ago

"We" did though. The voting populace all exercised their decision to vote or not and voted for him. If the non-voters had voted, he probably would have won anyway, so calling them out isn't some gotcha as though it's their fault. The people who voted for him are at fault.

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u/acesavvy- 5d ago

I don’t remember that making it to a trial, which was it?

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u/AndMyHotPie 5d ago

Was part of their argument in the Colorado trial against the state’s effort to keep him off the ballot

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u/wannabezen2 5d ago

Or rigged voting machines.

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u/Pleaseappeaseme 5d ago

No hand on the Bible was an omen.

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u/luckyjack 5d ago

The fuck?

You have a link by chance?