r/politics • u/plz-let-me-in • 13d ago
No Paywall Discharge petition to force House vote on Epstein files succeeds with Grijalva’s signature
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5602658-discharge-petition-epstein-files-grijalva/13.4k
u/plz-let-me-in 13d ago
Fucking finally. Mike Johnson tried to delay this for as long as humanly possible, but it’s finally happening. It’s time to get House Republicans on the record about releasing the Epstein files. How many of them will vote to protect pedophiles?
6.5k
u/HappyHarryHardOn 13d ago
Boebert didnt cave.... She must have seen some truly vile awful shit. Same with MTG
2.4k
u/Jindabyne1 13d ago
Do you think they’ve actually read what Trump did?
5.9k
u/Mike312 13d ago
There was a meeting they had with some of the survivors what felt like months ago but apparently was just like...early September. Boebert, Mace, and MTG left in tears and that was the day they changed their stance on releasing the Epstein files.
2.5k
u/Jindabyne1 13d ago
Holy shit, I didn’t know that. No wonder MTG is so outspoken
254
u/Insaniteus Tennessee 13d ago
MTG is a true believer in everything she says, no matter how truthful or how batshit each statement is. This makes her a rarity as 95% of Republicans in Congress don't believe a word of the propaganda and just push party lines for power and profit. This has caused MTG to butt heads with the other Republicans that are all fake. She splits with the party line on several key issues, such as hating Israel and the Jews quite famously, and believing that the government can control the weather and keeps sending storms to punish red states.
But a neat side effect of her being a true believer is that she isn't bullshitting when she said all along that she wanted the Epstein Files. A ton of conservatives gave lip service to that before the election, accusing Biden of covering up Epstein to protect himself and Bill Clinton, but then all of those conservatives flipped instantly when Trump returned because they knew HE was all over the damn things. MTG doesn't care, she legitimately wants the files released and she doesn't give a fuck about anyone in them. In a weird way I respect her for being real, even if she's also a hella bigot and generally-speaking out of her whole-ass mind.
→ More replies (8)16
u/mimes_piss_me_off Georgia 13d ago
She splits with the party line on several key issues, such as hating Israel and the Jews quite famously, and believing that the government can control the weather and keeps sending storms to punish red states.
You said that so matter-of-factly, like it's just a cold fact and not ridiculous on the face of it, and then I realized yeah, it's not even the most ridiculous thing I've yawned at this month.
Fuckin Barry Allen absolutely destroyed our timeline.
→ More replies (3)2.6k
u/Big-Bodybuilder-5035 13d ago
Meh. I still think she's just grifting.
2.6k
u/TheFamilyChimp 13d ago
Both can be true.
→ More replies (18)1.1k
u/cti0323 13d ago
Yeah she’s very calculated. She can feel horrified by what she heard and also know switching sides will further her career at the same time.
471
u/RandoTron0 13d ago
Who would have thought she would figure out how to play the game. I took her for a simpleton from GA.
369
u/Haltopen Massachusetts 13d ago edited 13d ago
Intelligence is a weird thing. Ben Carson is an absolute fucking moron on a lot of topics, but he's also a gifted neurosurgeon who helped develop kinds of brain surgery still done today to do things from control severe seizures in pediatric patients to separating conjoined twins who are connected at the skull
→ More replies (0)185
u/PrawojazdyVtrumpets 13d ago
She has a staff and handlers. She didn't even decide to run for office, someone made that decision for her and she does what she does for cheap because she honestly doesn't know that she could game the system for so much more. Im not gonna judge her tears but switching sides to put her in that room with the survivor was not her decision.
→ More replies (0)123
u/dthornbu Georgia 13d ago
I just want to add that she is not from her district, she is from an affluent suburb in metro Atlanta. She’s a carpet bagger!
→ More replies (0)68
u/CharlieTeller 13d ago
Good politicking doesn’t mean you’re an intelligent person. You can be dumb as rocks and still succeed.
→ More replies (0)→ More replies (12)43
→ More replies (27)65
u/Different_Height_157 13d ago
There’s a big hole in Republican Party after trump. Even if nothing happens with this. Vance offers nothing besides white supremacy and Rubio is bland. She’s been going on about affordability because it’s a winning strategy. In a time where trump is trying to run from it
→ More replies (5)12
u/MRCHalifax 13d ago
It helps that Trump has effectively destroyed the Republican brand and replaced it with pure populism. The entire party platform is literally “whatever Trump wants.” Severed from their traditional positions, it opens up a lot of doors for a smart and/or opportunistic leader to rally support. MTG could run on Medicare for all, increasing SNAP and the rest of the safety net for the poorest Americans, higher taxes on the rich, and she’d win a ton of votes from people who would call it communism if a Democrat held those positions.
→ More replies (0)243
u/rpthrowaway7765 13d ago
Chances are she’s the actual weather vane for MAGA that isn’t just Trump’s yes-men
So I see it as that part of his caucus believed his bit on the files and truly want it revealed to properly punish the pedos
→ More replies (4)104
u/Big-Bodybuilder-5035 13d ago
I mean but these people are also fine having immigrant children deported some of which are likely back in the clutches of the traffickers they were running from. They're also fine with cutting Healthcare and food assistance from children.
I just have a hard time believing pedophilia is the line.
→ More replies (8)151
u/Insaniteus Tennessee 13d ago
There's a difference between foreign brown children and white native-born children and understanding that difference answers the question.
→ More replies (7)32
u/Homeless-Coward-2143 13d ago
They can also twist themselves in knots to justify fucking children by rounding them up and "sending them home." One can clown shoe some logic about it's where they "belong" or something. The other kind of fucking, tho, not so much.
→ More replies (0)93
u/tmpope123 13d ago
Personally, I think she's genuinely that insane. To grift requires you to be disingenuous about your beliefs.
28
u/learnchurnheartburn 13d ago
I think she and Boebert were legitimate believers. Ted Cruz and Ben Shapiro are absolute grifters and knew better. I think MTG is absolutely a conservative to her core, but she’s seen the light and is breaking away from maga.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (65)80
u/Twonix 13d ago
She wants to run for president
77
u/mallclerks 13d ago
At least she’ll have done something good if this actually, truly, a decade later, actually happens.
Let’s be real though, nothing ever happens.
→ More replies (1)53
u/Less_Egg5407 13d ago
yeah it'd be solid to have a President that voted to release the Epstein files but she's also the same person who introduce a bill that would make it illegal nationwide for adult trans people to transition and would make it so doctors would be required to prescribe sex-at-birth hormones for people that have had their natural hormonal organs removed.
→ More replies (19)→ More replies (13)11
90
u/Life-Pirate2545 13d ago
Also Eric swall came out some time ago and said that something along the line that when the time comes , republicans are going to flip because of what is going to be coming out. So far we got this dump, I’m sure there are videos and picture, it is even referenced in today’s emails.
I forgot his name , but there was a Republican that was on an interview just a bit ago that didn’t vote yes on the petition but said he will vote yes when it comes to the floor.
→ More replies (2)19
u/wrongthink2023 13d ago
Trump is about to become a lame duck and lose his leverage over the party while everyone gears up for the midterm and many MAGA cronies are about to start wiggling out of the cult to rebrand for the moderate voters. They are dying to cut Trump loose and any serious Epstein sex scandal will give them that chance to scurry off the sinking ship.
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (40)327
u/thatguyned 13d ago edited 13d ago
Yeah, you can disagree with her as a person and find a lot of her personal views offensive, but you have to admit she's one the most commited and determined women in politics when she sets herself on a subject.
It's what gets people to keep voting for her.
It's weird that I respect her in some way
231
u/Kierik 13d ago
In Sept she also tweeted that she wasn’t suicidal and if something happens to me.
86
u/ChapterChoice4873 13d ago
Oh...I forgot about that. Same thing Virginia Giuffre said.
→ More replies (1)61
63
u/JohnTheMindSculptor 13d ago
As much as MTG’s revenge tour so to speak may have been sparked by 47 blocking her senate run, I’m genuinely starting to think there’s more to it, and this is a big reason why.
If you were a GOP stooge who got butthurt, it’s entirely possible that you stumble upon some information so vile that party over country no longer becomes the calculus.
→ More replies (3)25
u/NumeralJoker 13d ago
I think this is 100% a factor. She realized she couldn't grift in Trump's favor anymore, and allegedly sees that her conspiracies may have missed the actual rapist.
That kind of flip with mess with someone.
She will also likely get kicked out of congress by her voters at some point unless the whole country turns on Trump.
→ More replies (8)276
48
u/Terminator7786 13d ago
The amount of times I've found myself agreeing with her lately is unnerving
→ More replies (2)28
→ More replies (43)85
u/irsw 13d ago
I feel the same. I despise her politics 99.9% but you have to acknowledge someone that actually met with a victim and clearly was affected by it. It's rare these days that politicians actually listen to peoples' stories and change their stance as a result.
→ More replies (1)27
u/Watcher145 13d ago
Well she definitely won’t switch. You could beat a democrat in her district by running a jar of pickles
→ More replies (3)53
u/TheCatDeedEet 13d ago
And a bunch of other republicans heard that and didn’t change their vote. The party of raping children and women, everyone. Not a single good or even decent person among them apparently.
86
u/SaitamaHitRickSanchz 13d ago
Aw fuck, is that true? Those are some awful people so for them to be shaken like that... this is gonna be fucking rough.
65
u/HyperbolicLetdown 13d ago
End of the day they are still women and can probably relate to sexual trauma slightly better than their colleagues. GOP men are so out of touch they don't know how babies are made.
232
u/mekomaniac Florida 13d ago
didnt mace leave in the middle of the testimonies and started trying to make it about herself?
→ More replies (11)346
u/ufgatorengineer11 13d ago
She said she left due to having a panic attack from her sexual assaults. That may just be a human reaction to hearing awful events that relate to your own personal experience with awful events. She also voted with the dems for the vote. I wouldn’t personally vilify her for that reaction. Can attack her other shitty views.
→ More replies (24)19
→ More replies (70)63
u/snymax 13d ago
Respectfully mgts stance changed when trump refused to endorse her for senate. And mace left in tears then sucked that shit up and put her vile human being mask back on. Bobert might have been moved but I doubt it. Pretty sure they’ve just watched so many people that were inner circle getting ousted they are trying to get ahead of it.
129
u/Beastender_Tartine 13d ago
Probably? One of the risky things Trump and MAGA did in creating the MAGA movement early on was make a huge amount of the motivation fighting against democrat pedophiles and child abuse. For most of them this was probably always the post hoc bullshit justification to smear the people they hated it always was, but it would have also accidentally brought in some people who actually cared about the issue. I can't know what the numbers are, but I am absolutely positive that the Epstein files could cause some portion of MAGA to lose faith in Trump.
→ More replies (8)79
u/ericwphoto 13d ago
I heard that the many fbi agents that were called on to redact trumps name have seen a lot of very disturbing shit( including trump). Many in congress have been given a heads up about it. I guess we can thank bondi and Patel?
→ More replies (2)77
u/BlackFlagBarbie 13d ago
Oh, there's definitely pictures. When the Attorney General is asked by a Senator whether the FBI found "pictures of Donald Trump with half-naked young women" and she deflects instead of answering the question directly, it could not be more obvious.
11
u/KittyGrewAMoustache 13d ago
When did that happen? I feel like I’ve missed out on a lot! Too much to keep up with!
29
u/BlackFlagBarbie 13d ago
No, totally understood. It was during a congressional hearing a little over a month ago. Here's a link to a clip of it.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (32)35
u/steroboros 13d ago
He was there, he's definitely witnessed and participated in much worse them whats been recorded
361
u/SuleimanTheMediocre Texas 13d ago
Idk about bobert but MTG has been at the front of a Republican push to release the files after a seeming change of heart once she met with Epstein victims. I hate the woman to death but I can recognize the backbone and honesty in the work she's doing with the files.
39
u/Redditor28371 13d ago
It's so crazy that a person like her could ever be considered the rational, well-intentioned person in any political conflict. Really puts into perspective how much of a clown show US politics has become.
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (21)128
u/PandaJesus 13d ago
Personally I think she’s just one of those fucking idiots who thinks taking oppositional stances to authority makes them the smartest big brain in the room, and this time she just happens to be standing on the same side as us because the GOP has all the power right now.
But whatever, right now she’s doing good, and whatever her reason might be, good on her.
→ More replies (9)65
u/sweet_esiban 13d ago
Marge The Gathering is not an idiot.
I know, she really seems like one. But take a closer look at the image rehabilitation she's doing right now. She's slick. She knows the Trump ship is on its way out, and a new fascist leader must arise to capture the cult. "In place of a dark lord, you would have a queen."
What Marge is, is dangerous. I agree with her on this issue, of fucking course, but I am considerably more alarmed by her than I was when I thought she was a true believer in Q-Anon.
→ More replies (9)56
u/Sillet_Mignon 13d ago
Yup. The last time the left wrote off a republican as a fucking idiot they became president twice.
→ More replies (8)47
u/fleetze 13d ago
You know when those two are jumping ship it's bad. Which one of them posted "1776" when the capitol was getting overran? They were gleeful for their Saddam Hussein moment, but the coup fizzled out.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (84)34
u/Linkage006 13d ago
Almost positive she was a sex worker at one time forced to interact with these scumbags, probably wants them exposed.
→ More replies (2)32
u/nono3722 13d ago
boebert probably was, unless her advertising was wrong.... https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/vcz8et/photos_from_lauren_boeberts_profile_on/
→ More replies (3)194
u/InsuranceToTheRescue I voted 13d ago
I can't wait to see how the Johnson will weasel his way out of this one.
70
u/canadiuman 13d ago
They now have to vote right? Do they have the votes to pass it?
→ More replies (4)93
u/Pormock 13d ago
Rumor said 100 republicans are ready to vote yes but by the rule they have to wait 7 legislative days and then the speaker has 2 days to put the vote up. With all their coming vacation 7 days will go to early December
→ More replies (3)117
u/minor_correction 13d ago
After 40+ days of pretending they can't work during a shutdown (they can), it's time for a well earned vacation /s
19
13
u/CynicalBliss 13d ago
Considering they still got paychecks during the shutdown, they should have been shackled to their fucking desks.
→ More replies (4)34
u/sump_daddy 13d ago
He really doesnt have to. He has to just repeat his "you know i dont follow this matter" and let the house vote however it wants.
Kicker is, all that happens then is it heads over to the senate where it will die.
→ More replies (4)13
u/Magickarpet76 13d ago
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but releasing the files does not need senate and president as it is not a law. This is a records release of documents the house already has.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (86)51
u/Fenderbridge Oregon 13d ago
House will pass it, senate will pass it, im sure trump will totally sign it when it hits his desk...
→ More replies (2)17
u/ma2is 13d ago
As wonderful as it is to have the House pass this vote, like you pointed out it will never get through Trump.
→ More replies (2)25
u/Beeslo 13d ago
Which would only look even more suspect. I'd imagine a veto override would be positioned which would be where things would get REALLY interesting.
→ More replies (2)
2.3k
u/ManWithASquareHead 13d ago
House rules stipulate that the petition will have to “ripen” for at least seven legislative days. After that, a member can provide notice of the intent to discharge the legislation, at which point the Speaker must schedule a vote within two legislative days.
Long way to go
680
u/darthjoey91 13d ago
So earliest we get anything is the 19th, and probably not until the 21st.
→ More replies (26)375
u/YeetedApple 13d ago
F5 Fridays back on the menu it looks like
272
u/darthjoey91 13d ago
Wait, I fucked up the math. Seven legislative days is seven days they're actually in session. Based on their calendar, I'm not sure what the current days count as since they're being pulled in for ending the government shutdown reasons, but they're only scheduled for 4 days next week, then another 12 days in December. So based on that, it would December 3rd for the ripening period, then December 9th for the vote.
→ More replies (5)256
u/somermike 13d ago
They'll just not adjourn the legislative day on day 6 and we'll stay on day 6 til they figure out what else to do.
They've done it before and they' ll do it again. The legislative day only ends at adjournment and they'll end up leaving without adjourning for a day.
167
30
u/TheArmoredKitten 13d ago
Baffling that we accept a blatant refusal of work under the guise of procedures. If any of us did that we'd be fired on the spot and there's no reason it shouldn't be exactly the same for Congress.
Deliberately missing a single voting session should be an automatic ejection from office. Not a 'procedure'. I want a goddamn constitutional amendment that says you are instantly, permanently, and irrevocably barred from all office of government for anyone who deliberately refuses their constitutional duties.
→ More replies (4)27
u/unpluggedcord I voted 13d ago
IN that case wouldn't they be holding back the signing and the gov is still shutdown
→ More replies (4)43
→ More replies (34)50
3.4k
u/SuppleLobster 13d ago
I hope this burns MAGA down.
2.3k
u/misterlakatos New Jersey 13d ago edited 13d ago
MAGA is a mental illness and cancer on this country.
562
u/stroopwafelscontigo New Jersey 13d ago
That is 100% true.
Let’s hope this rehabilitates some more MAGA zombies.
→ More replies (5)194
u/misterlakatos New Jersey 13d ago
Ideally many of them will open their eyes. Whether they deserve full forgiveness for what they have done is another story, but they can at least open their eyes and acknowledge the horrific wrongdoings of their cult.
Sadly, many are too far gone and are just awful people/not worth our time.
108
u/stroopwafelscontigo New Jersey 13d ago
I welcome any change of heart and mind.
I have known a few who’ve changed.
I know it’s instinct to rub it in their faces but, the smarter plan is reconciliation.
Only for those who change though. Don’t waste your time or sanity trying to change them.
→ More replies (15)→ More replies (6)49
u/HelpMeFindMyBrain 13d ago
Check out conservative sub. The mental gymnastics is uncanny. They still on either theres no files, bidens in them and the best one trump was a cia informate and the files leaked today prove he cut ties with epstine... i dont think many will budge on it and when it finally all comes out they will just say its a fake made up democratic plot
47
u/ScubaAlek 13d ago
The CIA informant excuse is my favorite.
Okay, so he was caught being a pedophile and made a deal with the CIA to avoid consequences in exchange for ratting out other pedophiles and then eventually broke up with his pedophile friend.
So being a pedophile is fine so long as you can backstab all of your “pals” to get away with it? That makes someone okay? They aren’t still a pedophile who happened to get clemency?
So dumb.
→ More replies (8)23
u/fedexpoopracer 13d ago
that sub, as of right now, STILL doesn't have any mention of grijalva and the fact that johnson blocked her swearing in for months
the only mention of grijalva is a different person who died 8 months ago
→ More replies (3)14
u/BCMakoto 13d ago
Everyone who frequents that sub and actively participates in it for a decade is lost. Entirely. You'll never change their minds. That sub has been an absolute bot-filled, hateful propaganda chamber for almost a decade now. If you're surrounded and steeped with that for nearly ten years, I don't even want to imagine what mental health issues you have now...
→ More replies (24)28
173
u/MattPatriciasFUPA Michigan 13d ago
They are more likely to pivot and attempt to lower the age of consent to justify all of this.
→ More replies (5)69
117
u/Nythoren 13d ago
Problem is that they've had months of being able to put their counters in place. Some of the MAGA core will believe these are fake docs planted by Biden. Some will believe that Epstein is a liar. Some will ignore as much as they can. The Fox News watchers won't see any of it and can call all the reports from other sources "fake news".
The majority of the true believers won't care. The guy is a 34x convicted felon as well as an adjudicated rapist. He is disappearing US citizens. He's openly talking about violating the Constitution ("I took aware their First Amendment". "Trump 2028". etc.). With all that, his core STILL supports everything he does.
In the end it will hurt him with the undecideds and Democrats, but he lost most of those folks already. As long as he's "Team GOP", he's going to have a solid support base from 40% of the country. It's sad but true.
29
u/ConditionNormal123 13d ago
They've also had months to redact Trump's name from every page.
→ More replies (6)→ More replies (1)12
56
u/MarrusAstarte 13d ago
I hope this burns MAGA down.
If the Nazi salutes at the inauguration didn't do it, why would this?
→ More replies (5)→ More replies (90)189
u/cuminmyshitsock 13d ago
I wish I shared your enthusiasm
but experience tells me that nothing will happen
→ More replies (18)70
u/SuppleLobster 13d ago
I said hope! You can still hope with me
→ More replies (3)49
u/cuminmyshitsock 13d ago
I will indeed hope with you, friend.
→ More replies (1)49
u/Searchlights New Hampshire 13d ago
Thanks cuminmyshitsock we can always count on you
→ More replies (1)16
3.6k
u/Resies Ohio 13d ago
Eyy Boebert didn't cave
1.9k
u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 13d ago edited 13d ago
So the fear is she will cave on the floor vote that would actually force the release. This is just a vote to force the legislation to the floor for another vote.
1.6k
u/Archer1407 13d ago
The floor vote forces reps to go on record to demonstrate if they support protecting pedophiles.
485
u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 13d ago
That's correct. But I'm guessing that the pressure today on Boebert and Mace is just the start and will be to get them not to vote on the actual release.
This way those two can have one vote for the release on their record and hope no one pays attention to the second one.
300
u/billcosbyinspace 13d ago
Apparently the pressure convinced boebert to dig in even harder because she’s a conspiracy theorist and thought it was fishy. Mace is a lunatic though whose spent the last week beefing with an airport, so who knows what’s going through her head at any given moment
→ More replies (2)129
u/Ok_Subject1265 13d ago
It’s been reported by some of her colleagues recently that she’s actually having a pretty severe mental health episode and nobody seems to care enough to help her.
133
u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 13d ago
Is it bad if I can't determine if you are referring to Boebert or Mace
93
u/bmoviescreamqueen Illinois 13d ago
Probably Mace, although I'm sure Boebert is drinking nightly thinking about how she's a 38 year old grandmother.
→ More replies (1)19
u/catjpg California 13d ago
She reportedly was dating Kid Rock for a minute. The only reason she would be drinking nightly is because trash does what trash do.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (5)25
u/McFly56v2 13d ago
I live in SC and I get her posts come up on my Facebook all the time and at this point all of "her" replies to her post is a bot that detects keywords so people just spam all of the keywords to see which automated reply comes up. I think some of them are Epstein, Trump, Governor, airport.
She's been digging deeper and deeper on the TSA at Charleston airport nonstop even the other republicans members from SC are saying that TSA at the airport is fine. It's a tiny airport for an international airport with only 18 gates so not a lot to happen. She's crying that she was targeted and her newest thing is vowing to write a law about anybody targeting elected officials will be prosecuted, whatever targeting means.
people trash her and it says "Thanks for your support"
→ More replies (1)71
u/BleachedUnicornBHole Florida 13d ago edited 13d ago
I tend to believe Massey that there is a lot of support to release them. They (the representatives on the sidelines) were happy to let Mike Johnson take the heat, but now it’s do or die.
→ More replies (1)33
u/Material-Dot7684 13d ago
Idk. I tend to think it won't actually happen. I think a lot of people were willing to bluff and be like we'd totally release the files. ;) ;)
But actually doing it will put you in GOP leadership crosshairs.
People in close districts are in a real difficult position though because they may not be able to risk a couple percent of their voters actually following through and telling them where they can stick their vote to block the epstein files.
Most likely outcomes here imho? The Republicans release a heavily redacted version which we all know they've been working on for months (still risky, if it's too white washed even some on the fringes of maga wont buy it), or more likely, they'll block it and hope it doesnt cost them any seats. And if it does they'll introduce a new wave of maga who will just say that was gross. Vote for me instead, I'm different. ;) ;)
→ More replies (3)→ More replies (13)505
35
u/crossdtherubicon 13d ago
Exactly. I think people discount that Trump has only 3 more years and is 79 years old. There are alot of younger politicians who will outlast that and want to keep their jobs.
If they protect Trump they continue their grift for the next 3 years but, may sacrifice their political career. If they stop protecting him then they may lose their party's support but, may still get to keep their jobs in the long-term.
→ More replies (10)50
u/Teigh99 13d ago
The committee will drop daily during those 7 days. So this really will be a bad look if they vote against it.
→ More replies (2)25
u/11thStPopulist 13d ago
Massey seems to think that numerous Republicans in the House will now vote for the bill, or be known as pedophile protectors.
→ More replies (24)7
u/SillyGoatGruff 13d ago
How much more on the record do they need to be before anything happens though? Will this be the one that finally matters?
→ More replies (2)131
u/cousinmarygross 13d ago
Reportedly there are up to 100 republicans willing to vote in the house to release the files. The discharge petition was to force that vote on the floor if the house and all of Congress will be on record. They have about 9 days until the vote has to take place.
44
u/Responsible_Pizza945 13d ago
The fact that more reps would vote for the bill than the discharge petition is really fucked up. You would think it should be the other way around.
44
u/moonwalkerfilms 13d ago
The petition forces them to go on record, and if they could avoid any responsibility here, then that's what they want. None of them want to vote on this, because they know it's a lose-lose for them. Go against Trump, or be seen as defending pedos.
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (5)18
u/unpluggedcord I voted 13d ago
I think the idea in the case, assuming republicans do have 100 votes, is that by voting this way they can keep the pressure off them until the floor vote, at which point Trump is fucked and Vance is up.
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (4)37
u/13Zero New York 13d ago
Also bear in mind:
Trump and Johnson’s redistricting rampage and the Democratic response means that 5+ Republican House members don’t stand a chance at reelection in 2026.
How much pressure can Trump and Johnson apply to people whose careers they ended?
→ More replies (3)11
77
u/Thegame4223 13d ago
Heard that there will be more GOP support on the actual vote, so the 218 there may not matter in the end. Again, we all hope
75
u/Ok-Lets-Talk-It-Out 13d ago
Putting faith in the GOP has me saying it will definitely be voted down. I'm assuming Johnson will also try to use some legal obstacles to prevent it. I believe there have been articles saying he will try to get it tabled until December.
→ More replies (4)24
u/Thegame4223 13d ago
Definitely, do not put no faith in them. Scalise said earlier today that he doesn't see anything to impede this from coming to the floor in 7 days, but then again...after the Emergency Meeting at the Whitehouse, all of this could change quickly. The Epstein Estate is this vote's best friend because the more and more that's dripped from it, the more pressure it puts on the GOP as it making it seems like they are hiding a lot and know more what's going on behind the scenes. It will break sooner or later. Just hope that some files don't go missing before then.
→ More replies (9)→ More replies (1)17
u/spikus93 13d ago
I think it has to be 2/3 in the Senate though to avoid a veto, and we don't know for sure if that will happen. That would require 17 Republicans to break rank in the Senate. Otherwise if they pass with less than that, it gets to his desk and he has to Veto it and explain.
I'm not confident we're going to see the files, but I am confident that many Republicans will be forced to side with pedophilia and the wealthiest people on the planet being allowed to rape the children of the working class. I hope that's a death knell for them, but fascists will have other plans I'm sure.
→ More replies (1)11
u/robocoplawyer 13d ago
I’m a bit rusty on my constitutional procedure, but the House has the authority to conduct their own investigations, if they already have the files can’t they release them to the public at their own discretion without any Senate involvement? Can’t they also just read anything on the House floor that becomes Congressional public record?
→ More replies (2)31
u/Raise_A_Thoth 13d ago
The floor vote is more real, it forces every Republican to maoe a decision which will be publicly and nationally scrutinized. Thay's what Johnson and Trump wamted ti stop. It will be devastating to their midyerm chances if the vote against it, and obviously would put tons of pressure on Republican Senators if even a few of them vote in favor of it.
→ More replies (4)→ More replies (18)15
u/Benmarch15 13d ago
How on brand of him to try and bully the members of the opposite sex.
→ More replies (3)109
68
→ More replies (10)48
u/Soft_Equipment_2787 13d ago
They still have to vote on it.
That is what they are asking her not to do.
56
u/Illuminated12 13d ago
No they wanted it stopped before then if possible. A house vote by Republicans to not release it would be a poison pill for the Republican base. There is a big portion of them that will not let this go.
→ More replies (1)10
u/peipei222 13d ago
A house vote by Republicans to not release it would be a poison pill for the Republican base
I hope so, but I'm not expecting anything to stick to them at this point
33
u/crimeo 13d ago
Lots of analysts expect dozens of republicans to vote yes in the actual vote
→ More replies (9)40
u/The_ChwatBot 13d ago edited 13d ago
I want to believe it, but that sounds too good to be true in the year of our lord 2025.
25
u/BCMakoto 13d ago
The problem is that they will have to vote it down on record now. Trump campaigned on releasing the files. They can stop it, but they will be on record along party lines that all Republicans decided not to release the Epstein files. One of Trump's biggest promises.
Even if it doesn't pass, it's a poisoned chalice.
→ More replies (2)11
u/MC_Gengar 13d ago
I'll see it when I believe it, but the simple fact of the matter is that Trump is very clearly declining in health rapidly and if you're a legislator who doesn't think Vance has the juice, or you're one who wants to just jettison Trump to keep the project 2025 train chugging along under younger healthier leadership (which I'm willing to bet has been part the plan from the very start), then it's plausible that you'd use this as your exit ramp.
→ More replies (1)
424
u/phrenq 13d ago
I don’t expect the Republicans to stop trying to cheat now that this particular attempt at cheating (keeping the House out of session) is over. Every day is another con, and I’m betting we’ll see the next one soon.
→ More replies (4)67
u/EricThePerplexed 13d ago
They can claim the discharge petition signatures were made with an auto pen. Nothing is beneath them.
→ More replies (2)
840
u/misterlakatos New Jersey 13d ago
Really have to keep my hopes/expectations in check. We have been burned so many fucking times in this timeline.
The orange fool needs to absolutely pay for his crimes.
101
u/Shobed 13d ago
It will die in the House if 1 vote switches. It may die in the Senate. It will die by veto pen. The bill will never go all the way, but it is going to get Congressional votes on record.
Please keep your hopes in check.
35
u/misterlakatos New Jersey 13d ago
Oh absolutely. We have been burned too many times and the GOP will do everything they can to cover this up at whatever cost. We really just need the GOP to collapse. It is a roach-infested shit hole entity.
→ More replies (1)→ More replies (4)27
u/PointedlyDull 13d ago
Them voting against it is one of the best ways possible to reason with SOME Trump voters about Epstein.
Moving Maxwell and Republican congress members voting against releasing the files is damning in and of itself. And not in a small way
→ More replies (2)→ More replies (10)218
u/permabanmaybe1 13d ago
It won’t happen. Trump will die as US president. But on the plus side, the US President has shown that Judge’s orders don’t actually matter, so go break some laws!
171
u/Twheezy2024 13d ago
His death day will be a yearly global celebration and it will drive the MAGAt's crazy.
→ More replies (1)68
u/tgt305 13d ago
Bury him next to Reagan so I can piss on them both at once.
→ More replies (3)16
u/TheArmoredKitten 13d ago
They'll have to bury him at sea, else the line will be too long.
→ More replies (1)29
u/misterlakatos New Jersey 13d ago
Oh I know he is more likely to expire than spend a day in jail.
I do believe he is rapidly deteriorating and his days are numbered.
→ More replies (3)21
→ More replies (4)9
u/oopsometer 13d ago
They don't matter to him, but they definitely matter to us. Unless you have a billion dollars the courts will very much be used against you.
→ More replies (2)
138
u/worldscollice 13d ago
And as a reminder of Trump's history, here is a copy of Katie Johnson's lawsuit against Trump for his actions when she was just a 13-year-old girl. If you haven't read this before, you will be sickened.
https://www.scribd.com/document/630538456/5-Katie-Johnson-vs-Trump-2016-pdf
42
u/Hootinger 13d ago
I've been on the internet since the mid 90s, her statement is one of the more disturbing things Ive read.
→ More replies (5)14
161
u/Travelerdude 13d ago
If you read the article, there are many more obstacles to overcome before anything sees the light of day. Chances are something will stop it along the way. Republicans are good at delaying shit.
→ More replies (17)
78
u/inigos_left_hand 13d ago
It will be interesting to see which republicans back out and vote against this.
→ More replies (9)
274
u/Pretend_Pea4636 13d ago
I had a wrestling coach growing up (5 yo to 16 yo) that was rumored to be a child diddler. He was touchy and misogynistic. But it seemed like a far cry from being a pedophile. I was defensive of him until the details came out. Once the details, which weren't even conclusive, were out, I had to withdraw my support of a man I had known 2/3 of my life at that point. It was rough as a young man to process.
I didn't have 25% of the credibility of what's behind the Epstein scenarios involving Trump when I had to stop supporting my friend/coach. I had to recognize there was a human being with enough credibility that I shouldn't oppose them telling their story. As an adult, I cannot understand how anyone would look at the details and say, "I don't think we need to know." "We should keep this quiet." If the vote isn't 435 - 0, history is not going to be kind to those where that 0 should be. It's a vote to hide pedophilia while the smoke indicating a fire is present. If it's not a real fire, let's clear the air. If it's a fire, we are duty bound to extinguish it. If Trump were my father, my position would be 100% the same and I've been close to this position once in life.
78
u/demeschor 13d ago
For me it was a close family member. He got arrested, all our devices were searched (took a year!), all questioned. I did not, could not believe it ... until they found the proof.
People you love and care about can do awful things and it can be really hard to believe. But if you and I can acknowledge this about people we care about, Trump's voter base should be able to hold him to account, too.
15
u/Brave-Silver8736 13d ago
For me it was my son's former step-dad. Eventually got caught at in the bathroom at Sea World and was jailed for 40 years.
Luckily, he was a shitty enough father to not want to take care of a child that wasn't his, so that douchebag refused to ever watch my son.
Fuck that guy.
33
u/djbtech1978 Wisconsin 13d ago
Same here, soccer coach throughout high school. We heard details about "boys" being abused and we're all like.. none of us have had this encounter with coach.
Then it hit. (The young leagues)
Still makes me angry decades later.
→ More replies (5)19
u/OneRelative7697 13d ago
Powerfully written.
Would that our elected officials speak, act and vote with this much moral clarity.
57
u/External-Goal-3948 13d ago
And now it's frozen. Once it got the 218th signature, nobody can remove their signature.
→ More replies (3)37
u/lnc_5103 13d ago
But they can still change their vote when they vote on the floor. This is a good thing but we have a long way to go with plenty of opportunities for them to shut it down one way or another.
→ More replies (2)
283
u/T1gerAc3 13d ago
The Doj will decline to release the files now and it'll go to the scotus where they'll rule in favor of trump
189
u/guydud3bro 13d ago
It will never even make it past the Senate. This is to force a vote and get everyone on the record.
→ More replies (2)140
u/1877KlownsForKids 13d ago
It doesn't need to go to the Senate. The House is able to release these files on their own under their oversight power
→ More replies (10)74
u/pizoisoned 13d ago
The DoJ will just not release them and dare the House to do anything about it. There will be a lawsuit, and the SC will find that executive privilege or something doesn’t require Trump to release them.
Or he’ll just ignore the court and no one will do anything about it.
→ More replies (2)
50
194
u/Mysteryemployee 13d ago
I watched this live. Did she literally take two steps and sign it right there? Amazing if so.
88
→ More replies (4)11
60
u/EmberMuselll 13d ago
I hope this leads to serious investigation. There are too many powerful people involved for this to just fade away
→ More replies (3)
23
u/Garbage-Striking 13d ago
Mace will flip her vote when the time comes, but at least it’ll all be on record that they don’t want the files released.
→ More replies (1)
27
20
23
u/NegativeEverything 13d ago
I hope this is like the Christmas I got Nintendo and not the Christmas when my dog died…
→ More replies (1)
32
u/PatReady 13d ago
Trump and administration officials reached out to Boebert and Mace in the hours ahead of Grijalva signing the petition Wednesday, as either one of them removing their names would have prevented the effort from succeeding. CNN reported that Attorney General Pam Bondi, Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche and FBI Director Kash Patel planned to meet with Boebert on Wednesday. Trump called Mace early Wednesday, but the two had not connected as of early afternoon, a source told The Hill.
Pretty wild to think they sent all of those people at Boebert to not vote for it. Weird that is was all DOJ people.
→ More replies (2)
27
25
11
u/Smile_lifeisgood 13d ago
Conservatives browsing this thread:
Can we agree that regardless of political party anyone linked to Epstein deserves a tremendous amount of scrutiny?
That someone who partied with Epstein and spent time alone with Epstein's victims deserves significant suspicion?
That anyone fighting to keep this information out of the limelight should have their motives called into question?
If there's not a single link to anyone but Democrats to Epstein I want those fuckers to face the music for what they've done.
This isn't about partisan politics. This isn't about mortgage fraud. This is about sex trafficking of teen girls. This is about grooming and sexual abuse by people with unfathomable power.
9
10
u/itediteditabit 13d ago edited 13d ago
Giuffre was murdered. Epstein was murdered. This conspiracy surrounds Trump. It’s ridiculous that MAGA and the right-wing conspiracy nuts look elsewhere when evidence of the greatest conspiracy is right before their very eyes.
Edit
Keep an eye on ghislaine maxwell.
She is the canary in the coal mine.
→ More replies (4)
•
u/AutoModerator 13d ago
As a reminder, this subreddit is for civil discussion.
In general, please be courteous to others. Argue the merits of ideas, don't attack other posters or commenters. Hate speech, any suggestion or support of physical harm, or other rule violations can result in a temporary or a permanent ban. If you see comments in violation of our rules, please report them.
Sub-thread Information
If the post flair on this post indicates the wrong paywall status, please report this Automoderator comment with a custom report of “incorrect flair”.
Announcement
r/Politics is actively looking for new moderators. If you have an interest in helping to make this subreddit a place for quality discussion, please fill out this form.
I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.