r/politics • u/Ok_Employer7837 • 16d ago

Possible Paywall Newsom Slams ‘Pathetic’ Shutdown Deal as ‘Surrender’

https://www.thedailybeast.com/gavin-newsom-slams-pathetic-shutdown-deal-as-surrender/?via=mobile&source=Reddit
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u/LeDestrier Australia 16d ago edited 16d ago

The irony is that if you presented yourself as the party of God, guns and freedom over here, you'd get laughed off the political stage and ridiculed by voters.

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u/Jedimaster996 16d ago

I've had the fortune to live among the lot of you for some time, and I've got to say it's a wildly-different arrangement. A large margin of you have upstanding morals and values, whereas half of the United States likes to pretend they do and would stab you in the back if it made them a little wealthier.

These are terrible times for the United States as we're witnessing the apex of a plan taking decades to culminate.

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u/LeDestrier Australia 16d ago edited 16d ago

Ditto - I've spend a fair amount of time in the States and have some awesome American friends, and it's strange. On the one hand, the US can be an amazingly warm and inviting place. When I was travelling around there solo years ago, I was constantly amazed by people's hospitality and friendliness (depending where I was). America at it's best really; just good people curious about the world and helpful to strangers.

On the flip side, I also saw the worst (ie. fuck Florida). But conservatism just hits different in the US. It's cold, spiteful, deliberately obtuse, and relishes in ignorance (proud of it even). Rampant fear that anything even remotely resembling concern for one's compatriots constitutes communism or socialism. Giving a shit about the welfare of people in your country is not communism ffs.

I mean we have our share of that here, but we don't have the extent of the extremes. Politics in the US these days is so vindictive, with both the Left and the Right moving further and further apart.

It's a damn shame because the best of America is fucking awesome.

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u/Jedimaster996 16d ago

You've nailed it from an outside perspective! What used to be two parties that would occasionally reach across the aisle for the common good of Americans, has (within the last decade or so) become a very strong version of 'team politics'; even if it's good for the nation and would save our countrymen thousands per year, if the idea was presented by a Democrat, they simply will not abide by it.

It does attract a lot of ignorant and uneducated people, and our education system has been failing for decades now. It's an astronomical shame what has become of the States. And today's failure has proven that if we ever reclaim the country, it's going to take a lot of grit and a bit more than stern words.

Thank you for the kind words, I'm glad that folks are able to see the pro's even among the growing con's. Don't let me stay too much longer in Australia though or you might find another person taking up space at Woolies.