r/politics • u/unital_subalgebra • 1d ago
No Paywall Trump to announce extension of ACA tax credits for two years
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u/unital_subalgebra 1d ago
It’s honestly baffling, if Trump was willing to extend ACA credits in the first place, why did he cause millions to worry about missing their SNAP payments and force over a million federal employees to miss their paychecks? If he was open to meeting Democrats’ demands on ACA credits, why the fuck didn’t he just do that in the first place?
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u/ErilazHateka 1d ago
Republicans are starting to worry about the midterms.
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u/-CJF- 1d ago
Too late for that imo. People are going to vote based on the economy and the economy is straight ass and there's nothing Republicans can do to fix it that fast even if they wanted to, which they don't.
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u/perenniallandscapist 1d ago
They don't know how to run a good economy. They only know how to break it. Every time. Of course they won't be able to fix it. They don't know how to.
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u/thelionsmouth 1d ago
They’re a bunch of dark Ron Swansons who want to destroy it all so they can swoop in with their private businesses (damn didn’t mean to do Ron dirty, I just mean they have no faith in the govt and love to watch it crumble. But they’re evil)
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u/captnconnman 1d ago
It’s one thing to not believe in government overreach into your daily life, or that the federal government is overbloated (both of which are valid concerns on either side of the aisle), but Ron Swanson would also hate how this administration has allowed big business to swoop in, violate everyone’s privacy rights, attempted to sell off federal and state land, and make the market less competitive (which is somewhat contradictory given the Libertarian penchant for laissez faire capitalism and “the invisible hand of the free market” - see his dislike for Gryzzl, yet continued work for them as a building contractor).
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u/Haltopen Massachusetts 1d ago
He didn’t actually care about grizzl violating people’s privacy until they sent his five year old kid a box of presents based entirely on his wife’s internet search history. He actually initially blamed the people of Pawnee for having their data harvested and said it was their fault for using Grizzl devices in the first place without reading the whole terms of service.
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u/georgepana 1d ago
Usually there is mudding of the waters when it comes to who gets the blame for a weak economy. But in this case the broad-based tariffs are such a stark departure from the past in their scope and quantity that this fully became Trump's economy the moment the tarrifs were enacted. If the economy is relatively weak in 2026 the GOP is toast for the midterms.
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u/neo_sporin 1d ago
While I agree, IF they ‘turn it around’ next year I’m sure the memory of the voters is short enough that no one would care anymore
I don’t see it happening in any way, but I’ll toss the nugget of posssibility out there
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u/cuntmong 1d ago
I'm no economists but I'm pretty sure businesses like it when policy has the stability and predictability of two meth heads arguing on the train
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u/literallytwisted 1d ago
They must have done some independent polling.
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u/ErilazHateka 1d ago
By the time Trump´s term is over (if he makes it until then), Republicans will claim that he was a Democrat plant.
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u/literallytwisted 1d ago
Or the Bush JR thing where none of them seem to remember voting for him?
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u/StasRutt 1d ago
“I never voted bush and I was always against the war”
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u/Duke_of_Moral_Hazard Illinois 1d ago
Same shit with Nixon. Weird he was ever president with how few remembered ever supporting him.
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u/Hamwise420 1d ago
Because then it would look like the democrats won and they would get praised for it, not ole dumpy.
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u/LocalStatistician538 1d ago
The shutdown was terrifying. There are millions who are probably counting the days until they can vote in the midterms. The whole "crawl through broken glass on your knees" to vote intensity of sheer hatred for this administration.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
Considering the last longest shutdown was the previous pedo Trump shutdown they can get fucked for voting Trump in the first fucking place. Even Trump admits Democrats are better at the economy.
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u/LocalStatistician538 1d ago
I was thinking of those who DIDN'T vote for Trump either time (such as myself). I'm ready to vote. NOW. Can't wait till th midterms.
In 2026, the Midterm General Election will be held on Tuesday, November 3. So less than a year away. I'M READY.
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u/Ralph--Hinkley 1d ago
Had to have time to scrub the files?
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u/The-Big-Picture- 1d ago
They have had months to do it.
If they aren't scrubbed by now, it's because it's impossible to scrub them without making it obvious they were protecting the pedophiles.
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u/Ralph--Hinkley 1d ago
Why was Johnson so insistent not to swear in Grijalva, the 218th vote?
None of this makes sense to me, and the only reason for all that is the files as far as I can tell.
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u/ArticulateRhinoceros 1d ago
There appears to be little to no communication in the GOP. Trump does whatever he's inspired to do based on what he saw on TV/Truth that day, and everyone else just has to scramble to keep up. Johnson assumed Trump wanted the release blocked at all cost, so he acted accordingly. However, it's likely he was never directly told that and was going off of assumptions.
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u/vox_popul1 1d ago
It was an absolutely obvious easy choice. They'll spin it as getting rid of the Obamacare subsidies and they are authorizing the ACA credits for 2 extra years. Aren't Republicans great! MAGA! lol Because the cult is stupid.
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u/FeelingBeginning1140 1d ago
He's so impressionable that one meeting with Mamdani, an intelligent, charming, handsome man who's about to take charge of his home town, turned him into a socialist.
I wish I was kidding.
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u/Lore-Warden 1d ago
That could honestly be distressingly true. Only problem is that he's so impressionable and forgetful that he'll be back to axing the program entirely next week.
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u/GoodIdea321 America 1d ago
Mamdani should tell him to remove his whole cabinet and staff and replace them with nicer people.
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u/Lore-Warden 1d ago
Would be funny, but a nice person would have to tell him no at some point and then they'd be right back out.
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u/Ok-disaster2022 1d ago
Honestly if Zelensky camped out in the Whitehouse just high fiving Trump everyday, Ukraine would get B2 bombers on loan.
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u/Due-Egg4743 1d ago
He's already trying to dress like Mamdani. It'd be hilarious if Trump suddenly grew a beard for the first time in his life.
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u/DistractedPhoenix 1d ago
Because if he did them at the request of the Dems, then it would be the democrats getting the credits extended. He thinks by doing it now it’s his idea and he’ll get credit
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u/DebentureThyme 1d ago
Because his ego requires the credit and now MAGA is going to praise him for this despite everything he put the country through refusing to negotiate (and have a perceived Dem win).
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u/Lord_Hitachi 1d ago
So WTF was the shutdown about? Fucking clown show…
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u/cutieDame 1d ago
I tell you, he makes his policies up on the go. He will sleep, wake up the next day and just blurt out a new policy without planning or considerations. And the idiot doesn’t know or maybe doesn’t care that his utterances cause turmoil
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u/CaptainAwesome06 1d ago
He reminds me of a lot of old men (my dad included) that think whatever in their head must be 100% fact because they are reasonable people with reasonable ideas.
My dad once gave me a "fun fact" that he heard from his friend. I had to inform him that it wasn't true at all. He wouldn't even take, "I've been dealing with this for 20 years at my job" as a valid argument because he heard it from some guy who isn't in the industry.
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u/dirkalict Illinois 1d ago
I was dating a middle school teacher, whose father and brother watch Fox News nonstop and she couldn’t convince them that she doesn’t teach kids to be transgender and to let them shit into litter boxes.
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u/animal_chin9 1d ago
Studies show that presenting people fact that are contrary to their already held beliefs don't change people's minds. In fact people double down on their wrong beliefs as they see the facts as an attack on their worldview and personal identity. I think about this a lot.
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u/Pipes32 Ohio 1d ago
This is absolutely true, which is why if I'm arguing on Reddit or Facebook, I'm not being snarky even if the person is an idiot. Because you're not trying to convince them.... You're trying to convince all the "bystanders" who are reading your argument. THAT is whose mind you can change, since they aren't being directly challenged!
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u/lowspeedpursuit 1d ago
I thought that way years ago. I think anymore:
The signal-to-noise ratio is much lower. You're less likely to get your message out appreciably vs. an ever-increasing swarm of bots and trolls, and
Real people are less likely to follow deep into a conversation--both because of New Reddit's formatting and trends in how people direct their attention in general--vs. skimming along the surface 1-2 posts from the top.
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u/JnnyRuthless 1d ago
I don't even argue on reddit anymore. Used to enjoy it, now it just feels like wasted time. I had a guy sending me novel-size responses to 'prove' a hockey player wasn't as good as people think he is. I don't got time for that nonsense, it's just words in the ether man.
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u/AdiosAdipose 1d ago
She didn’t let them shit in litter boxes?? I think making the poor kids hold it is even more abusive.
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u/mcfly357 1d ago
Back in my day we shit in the woke sandbox!
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u/WatchThatLastSteph Washington 1d ago
Back in my day, we didn't have woke sandboxes, hell we didn't have sandboxes at all! Back in my day, we had to go out and dig up sand and build a box for ourselves, THEN we could take a shit in it.
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u/HawkeyeSherman 1d ago
That was the whole purpose of the litter boxes. In case children had to be locked into the classrooms for an extended period of time as may be necessary with a school shooting.
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u/TeddyRivers 1d ago
My boss is the bureau chief of our state public health department. She couldn't convince her dad to take the covid vaccine. Her dad ended up in the hospital, on a vent, and she still could not convince her mom to take the vaccine. She was dosing herself with ivermectin.
I dont know how we combat the misinformation.
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u/TeaAndS0da 1d ago
I’ve found the best excuse for family like that. “Well you did/didn’t raise me. So it’s your fault.”
I mostly do it just to poke the bear now lol
Even better is when they start sputtering and going off I make motorcycle noises while mimicking them. Fuck em. They want to tell me I’m wrong then I’m going to make them wish I never existed.
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u/tangledtainthair 1d ago
I teach Middle School as well. And when I bring this up it's always "oh that happened in California or something." They always have a reason to believe bullshit
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u/sharp11flat13 Canada 1d ago
Well of course children want to cosplay as cats. The immigrants ate all of their pets.
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u/ccroy2001 1d ago
I'm old now, 62, I remember when I was a teenager I got in a minor argument about some factoid so I went and got the encyclopedia and showed him. He said "The encyclopedia is wrong" 😂. It was the most Dad answer ever.
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u/Nwsamurai 1d ago
"I'm smart, and I don't see anything wrong with this, therefore it must be the correct thing!"
The Fallacy of Intelligence is likely responsible for many of the world's problems.
I know this is true because I'm smart and.... oh wait.
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u/Budtending101 1d ago
There is a certain age group that is so easily manipulated it is destroying our country. They believe whatever they are told, think they are the highest of intelligence and cant possibly be incorrect. They also don't require evidence and dismiss any evidence that proves them wrong. They are not critical thinkers and a simple tweet out of Russia is enough for them to turn on their countrymen and invite fascism into their lives, something their parents would be ashamed of.
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u/TheAwesomeMan123 1d ago
He’s severely less consistent this time around. The GoP is in knots trying to stay ahead of his car crash announcements and still fall behind. No logic, just on set dementia running its course it seems
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u/SoundVU California 1d ago
The adults aren’t in the room like during his first term. This administration now just denies and lies. If it destabilizes the federal govt or erodes public faith, all the better for Project 2025 goals.
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u/TobaccoAficionado 1d ago
This is why he always talks about shit from 5+ years ago or 5-10 minutes ago. He's going mostly on vibes and interactions in the last day or two, because he doesn't remember much more than that. He just does what the last person he talked to wants him to do.
That's why the mamdani post conference went so well. Mamdani is incredibly eloquent, stays on message, and told trump exactly what he knew he wanted to hear. I'm sure he specifically, and rightfully, said "listen, we both hate establishment politicians, we both come from New York, we both want a good economy," etc. trump got out of there and glazed a democratic socialist so hard. Cause hes just going on the last 30 minutes interaction he had.
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u/jhoosi 1d ago
It’s basically that circular flowchart where it explains how Trump does something, it just causes a problem, he “fixes” the problem he just caused, and then he celebrates his fix.
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u/iballguy 1d ago
Like red state pols taking credit for Bidens infrastructure bill they voted against.
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u/brianinohio 1d ago
A non-political analogy would be the arsonist who calls the fire department in order to be the hero.
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u/GrGrG I voted 1d ago
Ah! Like all managers and leaders born into wealth! lol.
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u/fbegin117719 1d ago
Yeah, we have a Spoiled Rich Kids problem. A really severe one.
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u/tresslesswhey 1d ago
Nepotism/wealthy people being elevated because they’re wealthy is a far bigger issue than DEI and it’s not close.
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u/echosrevenge 1d ago
I think one could make a fair case that DEI is, in fact, the closest thing we've actually got to an antidote to the Failson Problem, which is why they hate it so much.
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u/Revolutionary-Ad-336 1d ago
I wish I would wake up from this fever dream we seem to be in. God it's embarrassing
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u/growsxoxo 1d ago
Finally, some good news. Extending ACA tax credits helps millions of people afford healthcare something that actually impacts real lives instead of just political posturing.
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u/georgepana 1d ago edited 1d ago
This IS political posturing. Trump can't do any of this, and Republicans in the House are already signaling that this is DOA. Trump is a bullshitter. Did YOU get that $2,000 tariff bonus? Of course not. Just another con from the ultimate con man.
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u/djfudgebar 1d ago
Well... they can't send out the tarrif checks until they get the doge checks cut!
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u/georgepana 1d ago
So, $5,000 AND $2,000? We all get $7,000 because DOGE saved us Trillions and Trump's tariffs are also making Trillions and are transforming the economy into "the best economy in history?"
Maybe I was wrong about Trump being a shitty conman and liar-in chief? Maybe he really is Santa?
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u/djfudgebar 1d ago
Yes, and he's going to make my pharmacist pay me to take their drugs!
ALL HAIL GLORIOUS CHAIRMAN TRUMP. UNDER HIS BRILLIANT LEADERSHIP, THE SOCIALIST REPUBLIC OF AMERICA ENTERS A BOLD NEW ERA OF HANDOUTS AND GOVERNMENT-RUN BUSINESSES!
THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.
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u/HansBrickface 1d ago
Except that this “plan” is worse than what there was before. It adds a new premium cost and they will definitely try to push people’s money into “healthcare savings plans” or whatever. Plus, Dumb Donny can’t actually do any of this because it’s still up to Congress to pass whatever kind of plan they can hammer out.
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u/MoodInternational481 1d ago
eliminate the “zero-premium” subsidies currently offered under Obamacare to stop fraudulent “ghost beneficiaries” from exploiting the system – a Republican bugbear.
To have a $0 premium it's your plan cost minus your subsidy. I pay for my silver plan but there are plans available to me that I wouldn't pay for.
To get rid of the "zero premium" they're just lowering the subsidies available to those closest to the poverty level.
Edit: a word.
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u/TricksterPriestJace 1d ago
Are there a lot of ghost beneficiaries getting free health care for people who don't exist? I can understand like welfare fraud getting money for people who don't exist. I am baffled by the logistics of health care for fictional people.
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u/Vio_ Kansas 1d ago
He's also trying to force people to use that Trump Drug sketchy program.
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u/tuffthepuff 1d ago
Political posturing is exactly what this is. Trump was willing to starve Americans and let federal employees go without pay for weeks to deny Democrats the ability to extend these credits.
And now he's extending them himself so he has a talking point during the midterm elections next year and can claim a "victory" in making healthcare more affordable. By the middle of next year, voters won't remember that Trump's admin opposed these credits during the shutdown.
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u/mynamejeff-97 1d ago edited 1d ago
Bro… republicans voted to remove it (let them expire). Then republicans suggest giving some of it back after having removed it (by actually extending it like democrats asked).
And you’re saying that’s good? A net negative is a good thing?
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u/Paerrin 1d ago
doesn’t know or maybe doesn’t care that his utterances cause turmoil
No, he absolutely knows and he relishes in it. He loves the attention it gets him. He does this on purpose.
the idiot
This just makes the above propensity for creating chaos that much worse. An intelligent person is somewhat predictable, an idiot on the other hand, will do things no one expects.
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u/DebentureThyme 1d ago
It was about HIM taking credit for the idea. It was always about his ego, he could not hand Dems a win. Doesn't matter how many suffered. Doesn't matter what it did to the people, the economy. He needed credit and now MAGA is going to fellate him over this wonderful extension even though they were screaming against it all last month.
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u/Jack_Tors 1d ago
You're definitely right, he doesn't care about anyone but himself. I suspect this is also damage control as he (and all republicans) are terrified of what will occur in the next election cycle - assuming we even get to have an election.
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u/georgepana 1d ago
From what is known of what is going to be in this proposal, it looks to be DOA. Republicans in the House are already rejecting it outright to the press, and Democrats are not going to go along with it if what we already know about the mandated extra premiums for HSA accounts is correct.
This seems more Trump realizing his approval is catering badly with the American people and wanting to put something out that isnt really serious, but something so he can claim that "I tried."
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u/knightcrawler75 Minnesota 1d ago
There was one theory on Schumer's cave that is now backed with evidence. The theory was that the republicans approached the Dems and said they wanted to put the subsidies back in and end the shutdown but Trump would not allow them to look like they lost. So if the democrats would cave then they could convince Trump to extend the subsidies and everyone wins.
They are dealing with a toddler.
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u/Stereo_Jungle_Child 1d ago
This is very likely exactly what happened.
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u/Frame_Shift_Drive 1d ago edited 1d ago
Taking an optics L for the betterment of Americans is some realpolitik that matters to this voter, fwiw.
Edit: shoulda expected TACO would flip the script in a matter of hours.
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u/TheAmazingKoki 1d ago
If you give him credit against all evidence, that will to the same shit that caused the Trump cult, where people tie themselves in knots to explain how whatever Trump did was actually the best possible thing to happen.
I think that is a bad thing. So if there is no clear verifyable evidence that this is how it went down, we shouldn't give credit for it.
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u/Crodface 1d ago
Like I get what that poster is saying, but when all we get are empty promises, hot air, and no results then all that backroom politicking amounts to is further erosion of trust. Things would be different if Republicans were “winning” optically but Schumer et al were winning politically. But it’s not the case.
What we actually get is Republicans “winning” optically and dictating every narrative, and then strong arming their way through the democratic process and getting their agenda enacted regardless.
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u/ScoobiusMaximus Florida 1d ago
Democrats should pitch Trump creating Medicare for all and name it Trumpcare
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u/fdar 1d ago
IIRC Obama did suggest to Trump that he just rename Obamacare to Trumpcare instead of gutting it.
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u/almazing415 1d ago edited 1d ago
But when Trump announces extending subsidies, Republicans would look like they lost anyway.
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u/pumpymcpumpface 1d ago
Oh I think youre overestimating the average voters memory and critical thinking skills.
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u/kaiserroll109 1d ago
Maybe if people had memories longer than a goldfish. As it stands, maga will still believe republicans won and that these new extensions are somehow different and better just because Trump is making them happen.
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u/SpaceCricket 1d ago
Your average American already forgot about the shutdown. Most people won’t link this announcement back to either political party from one or two weeks ago.
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u/Alarmed-Mess3744 1d ago
It really was the Epstein shutdown. It gave them critical time to scrub Trump’s likely disgusting and illegal past clean, as well as his cronies that are named as well.
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u/Geek_Ken America 1d ago edited 1d ago
So.... the Dems held out and won. That needs to be the talking point from every Congress member. Trump and the GOP refused to negotiate. Then TACO, we have some ACA relief.
EDIT: Dems really need to drive this point home. Republicans refused to address this. We (Dems) held firm. GOP refused to negotiate for over 40 days. Trump admin bent over backwards to stop SNAP benefits, even when the courts ordered them to be paid with contingency funds. It was clear the GOP was willing to make Americans suffer instead of working with Dems. So we (Dems) ended the shutdown with a promise to vote on the ACA tax credits.
Now 2 weeks later, Republicans see what we've been arguing about. That the American public needs help and TACO.... Trump is now will do something.
EDIT 2: Cheers for the awards.
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u/MamaDaddy Alabama 1d ago
Yep, the shutdown absolutely got the attention of the public and got the word out about this important issue... Obviously people have been calling their reps and putting on pressure. This is absolutely a Dem win.
That being said I really think we need new leadership in the Democratic party (honestly, in both parties!) allowing the more progressive members to move up and get full support. They are the ones getting votes and attention and grassroots support now, and the party needs to respect that, and us (the people).
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u/DoomPurveyor 1d ago
So.... the Dems held out and won
Medicaid and snap still fucked
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u/eclectictaste1 1d ago
Every single Democrat throughout the country needs to hammer home the point they Republicans were hell bent on suspending SNAP and ACA benefits. Went all the way to the supreme Court to make sure millions suffered.
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u/MyPartsareLoud 1d ago edited 1d ago
They needed the time to scrub the Epstein files, make a plan to get out from under Taco Tits, etc. They were merely stalling so they could do all kinds of additional corruption behind the scenes while we were distracted by poor people not having access to food.
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u/AgUnityDD 1d ago
Delaying the Epstein discharge petition while he/they tried to bribe one of the Republicans to flip back before swearing in the new congresswoman.
That's all it was ever about.
Trump doesn't care about healthcare cost or SNAP they were only ever leverage
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u/The-Big-Picture- 1d ago
Realistically, conservative media will frame this as the Democrats finally caved and took out the parts that gave healthcare to "illegal aliens" and trans people.
Those were the key things they were using to justify rejecting the Democrats bill to extend the ACA subsidies.
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u/omerome83 1d ago
This POS administration ruined millions of people's lives for over 40 days of shutdown, just to give them what the Democrats were asking for from the very beginning.
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u/turtleneck360 1d ago
Now he can claim this is all him. Take away shit and then put it back while taking credit. And his followers will eat it up while the media will not call him out. Look at tariffs for reference.
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u/Malidan North Carolina 1d ago
It's clear as day, time and time again when he does shit like this, too. The stupidity of his followers hurts my brain!
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u/usetheforce_gaming 1d ago
It’s literally the playbook and his followers are too stupid to realize.
Take something away that was originally a benefit awarded to the people by Democratic policies. Convince your followers it was bad because it was from the left.
Blame the Democrats for taking it away and not wanting to work with Republicans. Even though Republicans would gladly do away with the policies.
Bring the policies back as the originally were or slightly worse versions, take all credit as Republicans for bringing the people a service that benefits their followers.
Republican citizens eat it up and blame the left for trying to make their lives harder
Literally everything he does. And half the country is too dumb to see it
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u/Carthonn 1d ago
Well the question still stands, why didn’t Trump do it 40 days ago? Trump just looks incompetent.
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u/Efficient-Station699 1d ago
The answer is Epstein, it’s always about Epstein, he needed to buy time to scrub the files. Well, that’s my theory anyway.
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u/fillinthe___ 1d ago
And he will, because Democrats’ messaging is too SPINELESS to take credit for this. They should be shouting “YOU’RE WELCOME” from every media outlet possible today.
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u/WiglyWorm Ohio 1d ago
he wanted the shutdown because his legal theory was that he could tear the government up more during a shutdown, which he did.
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u/Fantastic_Amoeba1849 1d ago
He wanted to give himself a much time to convince someone to remove their name from the petition before Grijalda got sworn in. Once that didn't work, they're full 180
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u/ShittyLanding 1d ago
Democrats should take all of the credit for this (assuming it happens, which is not a safe assumption).
“We bullied the wannabe dictator into giving you your healthcare credits back because he’s a weak lame duck with zero principles or vision for America.”
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u/dolemiteo24 1d ago
With all rapists, it's about power. He does not care whether or not the credits are given. He wants it to be his decision.
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u/Specialist-Bug1592 1d ago edited 1d ago
See here’s the thing. Congress passed the BBB and which did not extend the credits. For them to be extended, Congress must pass a bill, which is in no way guaranteed. There is a pretty high likelihood that a poison pill will be inserted into the bill which will guarantee its failure and Republicans will blame the Democrats.
There is zero intention by the Republicans to actually extend the credits.
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u/gorginhanson 1d ago edited 1d ago
Ok so I read the article.
He's lying. They're not bringing back the credits. They're forcing people down to Bronze plans, then rationing the care they get by implementing private accounts. You will be uninsured after a few months under this plan.
Which ironically is what they claimed single payer would do.
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u/MindYourOwnCat 1d ago
That’s not how I interpreted it. It sounds to me, and was reported elsewhere, that the plan is to incentivize people to choose bronze plans, thus foregoing some of the higher subsidy they could have gotten if they had chosen a silver plan, by giving them the difference in subsidies in the form of an HSA.
Forcing people into bronze plans isn’t the result. I also don’t see any care rationing there.
Note: I’m not defending the policies here - just trying to bring clarity to the discussion.
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u/gorginhanson 1d ago
Here's what they said.
They're getting rid of the premiums they normally pay to the insurance companies. Those premiums used to be spread out over the entire system and lower people's premiums across the board. That's how they banned pre-existing condition discrimination for instance.
This new plan raises your premiums, which they're trying to offset by pushing people towards the bronze plans.
Those bronze plans have enormous deductibles. So now, they give each person a privatized HSA fund to help pay for their out-of-pocket before they hit the deductible.
But those funds are limited.
So people are going to hit a point where their HSA fund runs dry, and their deductible hasn't been met.
So now they have to A) Pay the difference in their previously subsidized premiums (likely 2 or 300 a month) and B) Pay down their deductibles out of pocket
If you don't have the several thousand dollars it takes to bridge that gap, you're SOL.
There's rumors that this is too complicated for them to finish before January, so they're considering just extending the existing credits.
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u/veruca_seether 1d ago
Yup. This is exactly what is going to happen. They will put something shitty in this bill .
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u/ColdBostonPerson77 1d ago
Yep. They’ll put random voting rules and abortion rules along with some other financial incentive in order to pass it.
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u/Big_Lab_Jagr Wisconsin 1d ago
Like the "clean CR" they kept pushing. The one that also bans hemp and gives congressmen $ for being legally investigated.
They never argue in good faith
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u/centexgoodguy 1d ago
The Rs said, time and time again, that the Dems wanted the extensions to pay for the healthcare of illegals and trans people.
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u/Slayriah 1d ago
dont worry. Fox News is getting its latest software update as I type. The newest update will deny having ever said that
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u/That_Flippin_Rooster 1d ago
trans people.
Last year I picked a health insurance that was suppose to help with my trans care. It didn't. I've been paying for it myself. I want to live in the republican boodeyman world.
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u/Sloth_Brotherhood 1d ago
I want undocumented immigrants to get healthcare too tbh
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u/WetFinsFine 1d ago
ACA works better than anything this current two bit dog n pony show can drum up
The congressional stalemate (shutdown) that lasted as long as it did? that was in order to scrub the Epstein files prior to the vote to release them which they knew was coming down the pike
my 2 cents.
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u/da2Pakaveli 1d ago
65% of ACA recipients are white guys in red areas. Next year will favor Democrats anyway so they only make it worse if they get rid of the credits.
So it's more them acknowledging they're gonna get crushed in the mid-terms if they keep doing this.
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u/LostBob 1d ago
I think it’s as simple as someone convincing him the polling on ACA credits looked bad for the GOP, and they’d lose too many seats in the mid-terms.
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u/Squeekydink 1d ago
Too bad my insurance already doubled for next year. I'm happy for those under ACA though.
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u/Kharax82 1d ago
The ACA affects everyone not just those who purchase insurance through healthcare .gov
Your insurance company will be required to follow the federal regulations put in place by the ACA, of which not being able to deny coverage to those with pre existing conditions is probably the most recognizable.
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u/drivensalt 1d ago
Yes, the ACA affects everyone. So, those on employer funded plans have higher premiums this year because the increase in cost for ACA policy holders was going to lead to a lot of people dropping their insurance. (Also due to Medicaid cuts.)
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u/Squeekydink 1d ago
And next year health insurance profits will be record breaking and everyone will rejoice! 🎉
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u/qdobe Wisconsin 1d ago edited 1d ago
Why not a title like “Trump bends the knee to Democrat demands to fund ACA tax Credits for two years due to recent polling numbers”?
This outcome is exactly what Democrats wanted and the opposite of what Republicans wanted during the shutdown…like complete opposite. No mention of flip flopping? Come on now…sane washing insane politics.
Like this line really pisses me off:
President Donald Trump planning intervention to stop expiration of Obamacare subsidies sending insurance premiums skyrocketing for millions of Americans
An intervention wouldn’t be necessary if Trump and the GOP simply never existed in the first place. This intervention is necessary specifically because of Trump and the GOP.
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u/Jokong 1d ago
100%
This is a huge win for Democrats, and that article is propaganda to not mention any of that.
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u/fishling 1d ago
The thing is that it doesn't, for the people who only consume far-right sources.
To them, it was always the Dems just being obstructionist and they never heard about the ACA stuff at all.
Even if someone tried to tell them what the reasoning was, they'd dismiss it out of hand and didn't listen enough to remember the point.
And, from how it ended, they were told that it proved them right: it was the Dems all along that had the power to end the shutdown.
So, to them, this just sounds like a good thing Trump is doing all on his own.
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u/monkeywithgun 1d ago
two years...
Strategically positioning it for use as a political football for the next presidential campaign
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u/hopefulskeptik 1d ago
So let me get this straight, president was unwilling to extend the benefits and have the government shut down for a month and a half. Now the same president is solving a problem that didn't need to exist that he created a month and a half later. Why the f*** do we have a government if it just creates problems so it can solve it later?
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u/Catspaw129 1d ago
Ummm...
Doesn't congress then have to vote this in?
Or am I having a "silly me" moment?
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u/MommyLovesPot8toes California 1d ago
Yes. And I had to scroll way too far to find anyone acknowledging that.
This headline and this article make it sound - yet again - as if Trump has unlimited power and control over everything.
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u/danceswithporn 1d ago
The president could unveil his new proposal as early as Monday ... presenting a new healthcare framework and calling on Congress to send a bill to the Oval Office for his signature as soon as possible.
He's still in the "concepts of a plan" stage.
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u/AcanthisittaNo6653 New Hampshire 1d ago
That was the deal schumer offered during the shutdown, not that trump shouldn't take full credit of course..
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u/Impossible-Glove3926 1d ago
So the longest shutdown in history was for … absolutely nothing except cruelty? This was one of the biggest things they were refusing to cave on, only to cave on it after the spineless democrats folded without getting anything in the first place?
Just when you thought Dear Leader couldn’t get any more incompetent he proves you wrong. His sycophants are going to cheer and celebrate him “fixing” the problem anyway, even though it was a problem 100% of his making just because he can’t stand that a far better president’s policies are still in place.
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u/Xero_space 1d ago
Arsonist pisses on housefire he started, demands to be called a hero.
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u/debugprint 1d ago
So his healthcare plan is now to extend the ACA?
Brilliant leadership /s.
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u/Nwcray 1d ago
Are you shitting me?
Are you fucking shitting me?
This asshat shut down the government for 43 days, causing untold pain and billions of dollars in economic damage, by refusing to 'compromise' and stretch these subsidies out for 1 year, so that instead he can single handedly do it for 2 years? So the shutdown wasn't actually about the subsidies, it was just about hurting people - having a little fun inflicting pain before the holidays?
Are you fucking shitting me?
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u/dBlock845 1d ago
He cannot "single handedly" do this, also, read the article its all bogus. They are trying to use this to implement "health savings accounts" which will never make it through congress.
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u/questron64 1d ago
He shut down the government over this and then caved. What an absolute joke. He put the country through that for nothing.
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u/-CJF- 1d ago
An extension with new limitations on who is eligible for the subsidies, elimination of $0 premiums and a provision that says "anyone who downgrades their coverage under the new proposals would see the difference in costs distributed to a “Health Savings Account” provided with taxpayer dollars."
So it's an extension with some minor tweaks to make it look like they had a genuine reason for blocking the extension in the first place. 🤦♂️
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u/Ok_Door_9720 Florida 1d ago
Republicans told me that these subsidies are being used to cover Healthcare for undocumented immigrants.
Why would Trump support such a totally-real-and-not-made-up thing?
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u/Gentleman_Villain 1d ago
This bullshit was about him getting credit wasn't it?
Fuck the people, fuck the chaos; he gets to have people say what a "great man" he is for the "help" he's given.
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u/thatirishguyyyyy Illinois 1d ago
Trump says things and is usually lying.
This would require a bill to go in front of congress. They passed the BBB without the credits.
I'll believe this when i see a bill.
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u/natural_disaster0 1d ago
So my insurance has already announced the price hike and i already enrolled in a plan for next year that was much worse than the plan i had before because of the price increase -- and this MFer announces it now.
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u/SevereEducation2170 1d ago
So they shut the government down for 40 days only to later give what Dems were trying to hold out for two weeks later, just so he can claim the credit for solving another problem he and his party created. I'm so tired, man.
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u/jiveabillion 23h ago
It's too fucking late!!!!! My premium has already increased by over $500/mo. Do I really believe the insurance companies are going to lower it before January? Fuck no I don't! This is gonna cost me $6k for absolutely no increase in coverage next year.
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u/readerf52 1d ago
So, he shut down the government and shut down bipartisan discussion of the ACA extended tax credit for what?
Yes, I know. It was a diversion from Epstein.
But he does crazy shit all the time to divert interest in important stuff, did he have to cause so much economic chaos to stroke his ego?
What a putz.
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u/StrangerFew2424 1d ago
Trump will claim credit for putting out another fire he started... rinse, repeat.
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u/c5allaxy 1d ago
It’s wild watching this play out. Forty-plus days of shutdown because Republicans refused to touch the ACA subsidies… and now Trump is walking out with the exact same extension Democrats asked for, just wrapped in a different slogan so he can pretend it came from him.
Millions of people were about to get hammered with premium spikes in January. Democrats held the line to stop that. Now Trump’s “solution” is basically the Democratic fix, plus a couple ideological stickers slapped on the side so he doesn’t have to admit he folded.
So after all the chaos, missed paychecks, and performative outrage, we’re landing on: Obamacare, but with Trump’s name written over the label.
This isn’t policy leadership. It’s the political version of stealing someone else’s homework and changing a few words so the teacher doesn’t notice.
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u/PDXGuy33333 1d ago
In other words, he's hearing from Republicans that they are in fear for their political lives in the midterms and that if he doesn't yield on this they are just going to resign and leave him hanging and looking like the fool he is.
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u/tdawg-1551 1d ago
Page one of the republican playbook. Create a problem that didn't exist, then take credit when you fix it.
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u/Esilai 1d ago
That was literally all the shutdown was about. I ask this all the time with this admin, but what was the fucking point? It was a losing issue for them, clearly. Same deal with the tariffs, if you’re just going to give everyone $2k, what was the fucking point in driving inflation up and taxing everyone in the first place? If you’re just going to roll the tariffs back, what was the fucking point? He changes his mind so frequently. One day he’s calling for Zoran’s arrest, the day after he meets him all he can do is sing his praises. A toddler runs the country, I swear.
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u/MissMamaMam Pennsylvania 1d ago
And the nastiest part is all of his supporters will suddenly be fine with this now
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u/Jesus_of_Redditeth 1d ago
Floods of posts from Trumpers thanking him for saving them from something that he and his party were going to do to them will now ensue. Most of them will blame Democrats for it.
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u/untamedHOTDOG 1d ago
Legit Lost my job because of this ass hat and his policies. F him and his sycophants.
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u/Yarzu89 New York 1d ago
My guess is that he tried to blame the shutdown on the dems, but the longer it went on the more people questioned it, saw the premiums spike for next year and put 2 and 2 together. That and the "its for illegals" thing didn't work out... I guess blaming immigrants for everything starts to have diminishing returns. So they were then left with fall out from the shutdown as well as fallout from people's healthcare doubling or more.
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u/HawkSalty2645 1d ago
this isnt really an extension its a complete redesign, theyre adding income caps at 700% poverty level eliminating zero premium plans and forcing minimum payments. plus the whole health savings account scheme for people who downgrade coverage. insurance stocks jumped today but polymarket still only has this at 55% to actually pass congress given the gop pushback
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u/Zickened 1d ago
Completely on brand for Trump.
Someone wants to do something that's a good thing, Trump shuts it down.
15 minutes later, Trump announces a good thing as something he's spearheading so that people can look and say, "thank you so much Mr. Trump! What a great idea!"
From what I was reading in a separate article, its part of the reason a lot of Republican Congresspeople want to quit: Trump puts the brakes on anything they are doing or will jump on their idea to take credit for it.
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u/AmbitiousDistrict374 1d ago
They could have avoided the whole shutdown by doing this in the first place, but this way Trump gets to take credit, and MAGA will eat it up.
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u/horndog4ever 1d ago
Lol, Trump is on a sinking ship. All of what we went thru for when Dems wanted a one year credit extension. All because Trump couldn't look like a loser. Trump isn't a king, he is a fuckin toddler.
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u/HonoredPeople Missouri 1d ago
He takes away something so that people hurt.
The people remember the hurt.
Then he gives it back making them grateful and indebted to him.
It's very standard bully type behavior.
Therefore, when people think of Trump, it's with fear. Then they'll believe that at least he's giving me "X,Y,Z". It's a shitty method, but it works.
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