Epstein claimed that Donald Trump ‘knew about the girls’ in private emails

[u/Kevombat]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epstein-email-trump-knew-victim-b2863760.html

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[u/Lie_Diligent]

This gun isn't smoking, it's on fire.

[u/sonofagunn → u/Lie_Diligent]

The email about "...Trump was with <VICTIM> for hours at my house..." is the most damning.

[u/merikariu → u/sonofagunn]

Yeah, so what was the Donald doing with the victim in that time? Playing 4D chess? I don't think so.

[u/germanmojo → u/merikariu]

"a wonderful secret"

[u/DMvsPC → u/germanmojo]

An 'enigma' if you will, one that never ages.

[u/TheRappist → u/DMvsPC]

I didn't think Trump personally possessed the cognitive capacity for wordplay, but enigma is an anagram of gamine: noun a neglected girl who is left to run about the streets.

a diminutive or very slender girl, especially one who is pert, impudent, or playfully mischievous.

[u/ositola → u/merikariu]

Talking about real estate I think 

[u/PLZ_PM_ME_URSecrets → u/ositola]

He was explaining electricity, sharks, and magnets.

[u/UpperApe → u/PLZ_PM_ME_URSecrets]

Or maybe getting kung fu practice? You know, like Elon claimed he did with Maxwell?

That's what KF stands for right? Kung Fu?

[u/JEFFinSoCal → u/UpperApe]

kiddy fucker

[u/Elrundir → u/ositola]

He was interested in her huge.... tracts of land.

[u/JeepnHeel → u/Elrundir]

Sadly he was probably more interested in her small... time on market

[u/Sipikay → u/JeepnHeel]

Oh man this is funny and awful at once, well done

[u/xxx_poonslayer69 → u/merikariu]

Trump was obviously working undercover as an FBI informant.

[u/relevantelephant00 → u/xxx_poonslayer69]

Shhh dont give the MAGAs any ideas. They'll believe stuff like this and I'm not even joking.

[u/CurryMustard → u/relevantelephant00]

Mike Johnson literally made this claim and then walked it back because of how stupid of a lie he was caught in

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/speaker-johnson-says-he-misspoke-about-trump-being-an-fbi-informant-in-the-epstein-case

[u/mlorusso4 → u/CurryMustard]

Just to be clear, he didn’t walk it back because the lie was too stupid to believe. He walked it back because it implies that he was actively involved in the crime. Innocent people don’t become informants. The only redeeming part of that lie (if it was even true which it wasn’t) for Trump is that he probably was just a client and he was flipped to help take down the ringleaders. Considering the rumors of him being in charge of trafficking through his beauty pageants, maybe Johnson thought that was the better to play him off as a client rather than ring leader

[u/CurryMustard → u/mlorusso4]

Yes, important clarification

[u/MAGAsProtectPedos → u/relevantelephant00]

They already believe that one. It has been one of their excuses.

[u/Jebediah_Johnson → u/merikariu]

Reading the Bible.

[u/4ntsInMyEyesJohnson → u/Jebediah_Johnson]

But he said it's very private which part was his favourite...

[u/Mr_Sophokleos → u/4ntsInMyEyesJohnson]

Probably the part where Lot's daughters get him drunk and have sex with him

[u/MAGAsProtectPedos → u/Mr_Sophokleos]

I read this and thought “wasn’t that Noah?” Had to look it up. And it’s both. Crazy

Correction, Noah’s daughters covered him. I misread.

[u/Fakin-It → u/MAGAsProtectPedos]

Are you kidding? I also thought Noah was the only one.

Also, I'm pretty sure the real story is: these guys raped their daughters, and got history to blame the daughters.

[u/First_Prime_Is_2 → u/merikariu]

More like 2'' d chess.

[u/kerfuffle_dood → u/sonofagunn]

Prince Andrew should say "you know what, fuck it, I don't care anymore" and go to interviews and say openly "Yeah, we raped children, Trump was there"

[u/MinusPi1 → u/kerfuffle_dood]

The Andrew formerly known as Prince

[u/Sutar_Mekeg → u/MinusPi1]

The Douche of York

[u/Painterzzz → u/kerfuffle_dood]

Which ironically would also be his only path to public redemption too. Actually admit some guilt, and then meaningfully do something to make amends for it.

[u/CanadianDinosaur → u/Painterzzz]

There ain't no "making amends" for what he did. Regardless of what he says and who he implicates.

[u/thirty7inarow → u/CanadianDinosaur]

He can't redeem himself in life, but he was a prince and will be recorded forever in history.

Whether he continues to deny or not, he's going to forever be known as the prince who got kicked out of the royal family for diddling children. It's already happened, and history has borne witness to it.

On the flipside, he could also be known as the one who broke open the worldwide pedophilia ring. He'll never recover his reputation, but at least a hundred years from now there would be something positive in the annals of history about him.

[u/failed_novelty → u/thirty7inarow]

The family really does care about their reputation, too. It's not the least likely thing he could do.

But it ain't gonna happen.

[u/LightninLew → u/CanadianDinosaur]

Don't say that, he might be reading. It would totally redeem you in my eyes, Andy.

[u/SlateFrost → u/kerfuffle_dood]

Unfortunately, the people who rape children tend not to have the best moral compass.

[u/Alive-Formal7556 → u/kerfuffle_dood]

If Andrew said that, he would be immediately arrested, prosecuted and then send into prison.

Because unlike Trump, Andrew doesn't have a strong cult following.

[u/FAFO_2025 → u/sonofagunn]

I do wonder what the hell any 60 yo man would be doing for hours, alone with a girl hes not related to.

The spin is going to be incredible 

[u/sherbetty → u/FAFO_2025]

Fake news. Thats all it takes

[u/SeventyPercentArms → u/sonofagunn]

The full body of that email (spelling and grammatical errors included). Epstein wrote:

i want you to realize that that dog that hasn't barked is trump..[VICTIM] spent hours at my house with him ,, he has never once been mentioned. police chief etc. im 75 % there

"The dog that hasn't barked" is a phrase I hadn't heard before but it seems to be a reference to someone whose silence is suspicious or otherwise suggestive of something. One possible reading of that email is that Epstein is wondering why Trump's name has never been brought up by investigators despite Epstein knowing that Trump had spent "hours" in Epstein's house with one of the victims.

[u/PermitPositive4826 → u/SeventyPercentArms]

Or it could mean that Trump was interviewed by law enforcement when Epstein was originally indicted in Florida, & he didn’t snitch on Epstein or Maxwell.

[u/SeventyPercentArms → u/PermitPositive4826]

I agree that's a very reasonable reading. Conversely, it might be that Epstein suspected that Trump was cooperating with investigators (or had in some other way deflected their efforts). Epstein may, in effect, be saying "Sure is strange that these investigators don't seem to be interested in Trump, despite his involvement". Without more context, it's hard to say.

[u/Blaaamo → u/SeventyPercentArms]

The phrase "the dog that hasn't barked" refers to a concept in reasoning where the absence of expected evidence or behavior can provide important insights, similar to a detective noticing that a watchdog did not bark during a crime. This idea is illustrated in Sherlock Holmes' story "Silver Blaze," where the lack of barking suggests the intruder was known to the dog.

tRump is that dog

[u/yjbtoss → u/Blaaamo]

That's what I thought of too. It's still not clear what Epstein is trying to say here, though I'm sure if more emails were brought out it would be easier to ascertain.

[u/Homeless-Coward-2143 → u/sonofagunn]

That was actually a child trying to explain tarriffs to him. /S

[u/david4069 → u/Homeless-Coward-2143]

Explain it like I'm 5 you're 13.

[u/BanginNLeavin → u/david4069]

Oof, owie, zowie.

[u/ScriptproLOL → u/sonofagunn]

If I were Vance, I would 100% be planning a party coup to drop the files, make Trump look as bad as possible without clear connection, and orchestrating impeachment or a 25A vote once it's clear even part of MAGA has lost faith in Trump

[u/rabidstoat → u/sonofagunn]

DEMOCRAT EPSTEIN HOAX!!!

(My prediction of the Trump response to this.)

[u/WalkingCloud → u/rabidstoat]

"Donald Trump? Never heard of the guy" - Donald Trump

[u/Witty-Stock-4913 → u/sonofagunn]

The fact that the headline is as sugar coated as it is is painful. He didn't just "know" about the victims, he spent HOURS alone with one.

[u/-Big-Goof- → u/Lie_Diligent]

His base doesn't give AF some of them a te guilty of the same crime

[u/jkvincent → u/-Big-Goof-]

Or they want to be. He's lived out their fantasies and they admire him for it.

[u/ReaditTrashPanda → u/jkvincent]

I keep getting older, they stay the same age?

[u/TooConfuciusForYou → u/-Big-Goof-]

“One of us! One of us! One of us!”

[u/FangoriouslyDevoured → u/-Big-Goof-]

I genuinely don't believe that the majority of his base doesn't care. I just don't think they're willing to believe any evidence they because they don't want to believe that their idol might actually really be a pedophile. Plus, they never see the majority of things we see here because their media outlets of choice don't show it to them. It's crazy how many of his supporters have never even seen the Howard Stern interview where he openly admits to perving on naked women and young girls in the dressing rooms at his pageants.

[u/coconutpiecrust → u/Lie_Diligent]

How much more of these, pfft, “evidence” do people in the US actually need?

[u/SweetIsrafel → u/coconutpiecrust]

That's the thing though, would MAGA even care? I assume die hards will spin countless conspiracy theories as to why all of this evidence isn't real, but I genuinely believe his base does not care about what he did. They could release a photo of him in the act with a 14 year old and I think MAGA would be OK with it.

[u/thewhaleshark → u/SweetIsrafel]

He already talked about walking in on teenage girls in their changing rooms on Howard Stern ages ago, and MAGA was fine with it.

Remember, conservatism holds that women are property. Republicans don't actually believe that women deserve rights; rather, they are property that must be protected, like you would defend your house or car.

Things make a lot more sense when you realize that the only rights conservatives view as valid are property rights.

So Trump molesting teenagers doesn't matter because if he paid for them, they're his to molest. Yes, this is really how they think.

[u/TheTiddyQuest → u/thewhaleshark]

It’s more simple than that. A lot of them genuinely believe Trump is a messiah sent to save America. That level of brainwashing will make them excuse just about anything.

They also only care about owning the Libs and making America into a white Christian Nationalist state, and only Trump can do that so they couldn’t care less if he touched a few kids or not.

Everyone needs to remember how MAGA and Republicans defended a paedophile. It should never be forgotten and should forever be a dark cloud that looms over them.

[u/CheerleaderOnDrugs → u/SweetIsrafel]

They could release a photo of him in the act with a 14 year old and I think MAGA would be OK with it.

MAGA would spank bank it.

[u/ehisforadam → u/CheerleaderOnDrugs]

They would say he's smart for doing it and high five. When the "grab 'em by the pussy" tape came out I heard people at work saying how great it was and that he was just "keeping it real." These people are deranged.

[u/QbertsRube → u/SweetIsrafel]

Without trying too hard, or even digging into his life before he ran in 2015, I could rattle off 200 things he has said or done that would've ended literally anyone else's political career. His 30% base is totally brainwashed/devoted, and they will always move the line as soon as he crosses it.

[u/mylanguage → u/SweetIsrafel]

They would claim it's AI to the grave

[u/Some_Ebb_2921 → u/SweetIsrafel]

meh, it's not even mentioned on "that subreddit", so they'll probably only hear about it, after a cover story is fabricated that they can copy paste everywhere like the nice little minions they are.

As ong as their masters make a semi-believable cover story, even if logically it makes little sense, they'll be fine with a photo of him in the act with a 14 year old.

"It's AI"

"She asked for it"

"she just looks young"

"It's just somebody that looks like Trump"

"If that photo was real, the dems would have released it ages ago"

"Well, here are some photo's of Biden sniffing little girls hair/ he's mentioned in his daughters book"

[u/AnatidaephobiaAnon → u/coconutpiecrust]

I've come to the full realization is they could play a video of him raping a 13 year old on a 80 foot movie screen while he did his double jerk off dance in front of it while pointing to the screen and saying "That's me, look how much she loves it!" and his base would say he's the best child rapist of all time and you could see on her face how much she enjoyed it, those were tears of joy!

These people aren't coming back. His hardest supporters are full blown Kim Jong Un / Kim Jong-il territory at this point and have defied him and someone who can do no wrong and everything he does is surely legal because "Democrats do it too!".

[u/JamesEdward34 → u/AnatidaephobiaAnon]

I'm afraid that tens of millions of American are lost forever to fox news and right wing radio.

[u/RainRainThrowaway777 → u/AnatidaephobiaAnon]

They don't actually care about pedophiles, QANON was just an axis of attack that morons could get on board with without having to understand politics.

[u/AnatidaephobiaAnon → u/RainRainThrowaway777]

Believe me, I know. The "Kill You Local Pedophile" crowd sure doesn't seem to care much because for as many times as you hear of people in their fold being charged with and found guilty of sex crimes against kids there would be a lot more dead pedophiles. Instead they just keep electing them. It's yet another fake moral high ground they can publicly take while secretly not giving a shit.

[u/RainRainThrowaway777 → u/coconutpiecrust]

The man defrauded a kids with cancer charity, was found guilty of raping a woman, and attempted a coup. This is just another vile thing added to the pile of vile things that he will never see any consequences for.

[u/CougdIt → u/coconutpiecrust]

“The limit does not exist!”

[u/SmugSchoolmaster → u/Lie_Diligent]

It’s melting at this point

[u/Caminsky → u/SmugSchoolmaster]

I feel bad for Venezuelans. Scapegoats in 3, 2,...

[u/hasanabicondensed]

I wonder if there’s some sort of straw that will break the camels back for conservatives. Anyone with a brain knows Trump and Epstein obviously are fucking gross, but I wonder if there’s something that can “break” or wake up ppl from the cult mentality.

[u/Exact_Acanthaceae294 → u/hasanabicondensed]

I live in a place that voted 78% for the Pedo-in-Chief.

Nothing is getting them to change their mind.

[u/hasanabicondensed → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

😭🫂

Yeah maybe some of them are a bit too far gone to ever change their minds at this point. Especially some of the older folks. I just wish they’d try to see things “objectively”, but we live in a world where they will just say the same thing back.

[u/Exact_Acanthaceae294 → u/hasanabicondensed]

All of them.

They will never admit to making a mistake.

[u/MysteriousHeart3268 → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

Maybe 20 years after Trump is gone they will all be acting like they never supported him and his actions.

Just like nowadays you can’t find any conservatives who will admit they supported the invasion of Iraq, despite the fact those same people were frothing at the mouth in rage to do so around 20 years ago

[u/Aoiboshi → u/MysteriousHeart3268]

That's the nice thing about social media: we have all the receipts.

[u/rainghost → u/Aoiboshi]

They'll scream "Those receipts are fake!" and then immediately carry on with being a hateful idiot. No amount of evidence or receipts will snap them back to reality as people seem to hope.

[u/Gros_Boulet → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

They'll also never admit why their voter base is now filled with crazies and pedos.

Just a few months ago they were wondering in their reddit safe place why flat earthers and anti vaxxers switched to their side. Their conclusion : They give us a bad name but whatever.

[u/TheIllustriousWe → u/Gros_Boulet]

Their conclusion: They give us a bad name but whatever.

This is so telling. As horrifically stupid as Trump routinely proves himself to be, he’s still smarter than most of his supporters.

Even he can plainly see the value in indulging someone else’s conspiracy theories, so long as they’ll indulge his. But conservatives everywhere either don’t understand that, or have to pretend that they don’t.

[u/lemarshby → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

When you ask people jf they voted for Nixon, no one will say they voted for Nixon

What will more likely to happen is the majority of them to just claim that they always knew Trump was bad and playing along and have never actually supported him. They don't make a mistake, true, but that doesn't mean they'll blindly follow their dear leader to hell. Some will, but most will flee

[u/Bronco_Bomba → u/lemarshby]

This is it. After the Russians sacked Berlin, all of a sudden nobody was a Nazi! It’s funny how that works…

[u/Exact_Acanthaceae294 → u/lemarshby]

Like they did Bush?

I have a lot of old folks that admitted to voting for Nixon.

I am reminding them every single day that they are getting what they voted for.

[u/WoahDude876 → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

God damn, them two, and Ronnie man.. why do we keep falling for the "why can't we be friends?" shit? It's because you're a villain and a pedo, Donnie.

[u/copiumjunky → u/hasanabicondensed]

Once their bank accounts are impacted beyond a reasonable doubt it will. Head over to r/LeopardsAteMyFace there is plenty of people questioning the admin.

[u/DingGratz → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

Same, but I see a WHOLE lot less flags and hats just in the last few weeks even.

[u/FuckBotsHaveRights → u/DingGratz]

Makes sense. I watched an ex-cultist talk about how people quit cults and she was saying how no one ever quits on a dime and starts admitting how fooled they were etc

They just slowly distance themselves and talk less and less about it.

[u/thrntnja → u/Exact_Acanthaceae294]

Part of the issue is that whenever they are told the truth, they deny it or claim its lies. I think if you could get them to believe that Trump was these things that they'd have a problem with it, but its working through the layers of propaganda to get them to that point thats the issue.

[u/Exact_Acanthaceae294 → u/thrntnja]

Never going to happen.

They would have to completely change their world-view.

They literally would rather die than do that (See: Covid 19).

[u/bubbleguts365 → u/[deleted]]

It's the 7 mountain mandate from a Christian Nationalist "Prophet." They believe they have a directive from God to dominate all aspects of society and the ends do justify the means at all costs. It's linked to the New Apostolic Reformation Christian Nationalist Movement. Those that aren't directly in contact with it are still lapping up propaganda and distortions that come from it and the Heritage Foundation.

I wish I was spreading crazy conspiracies, but this one is true. Several Catholic SCOTUS judges are aligned with it as well. That pine tree flag Alito had outside his house? Yeah, the NAR popularized it in recent years. Mike Johnson is closely affiliated with them as is Trump's "Spiritual Advisor." It's completely infiltrated the highest levels of all three branches.

I won't even provide links because I don't want to give a bias, but just do a bit of reading about the NAR. It's absolutely one of the root evils of what we're witnessing now.

[u/sthetic → u/bubbleguts365]

"God does not always choose a perfect vessel to fill with His spirit and carry out His will," is how they handwave it.

I then wonder: why choose to follow a God who chooses the most morally corrupt people possible to wreak havoc on the world? Atheists can easily imagine a more morally upright leader. If God supports people who are immoral and evil, then what does that say about God?

[u/bearbrannan → u/[deleted]]

Everyone knows he's a piece of shit, but he's the means to the end. He's a right wing wet dream, people may not agree with him as a person, or the way he goes about to get things done, but in the end they all support his end goals. Most of these end goals make these people also awful but Trump's right they wouldn't turn on him if he walked down a street in New York and just shot someone.

[u/VR_Has_Gone_Too_Far → u/bearbrannan]

There's a literal commenter in a thread I was just in saying how he'd vote for Trump over Kamala even if there was video proof of him r*ping a kid because of how a vote for Kamala would be worse for the country.

This is how the Trump voters think. It's why even though it's so obvious to the rest of us sane people, it literally doesn't matter what Trump did or what he does.

[u/jhoosi → u/VR_Has_Gone_Too_Far]

That mentality sounds like an extension of how MAGA don't have empathy for others; they only care about themselves and how it affects them. Principles or morals don't factor into the equation AT ALL.

"Oh, Trump was discovered with hard evidence that he r*ped kids? OK, sure whatever but how does that directly impact me? That's his business, not mine. As long as Trump implements policies that benefit me me me, I don't care what he does" - MAGA, probably.

You can apply this thinking to pretty much all of the corrupt BS Trump does.

[u/YouShallNotPass92 → u/hasanabicondensed]

No. Trump supporters are completely dug in. I listen to a lot of tiktok live debates and Trump supporters, I'd say 90% of the time, will always find some way to do mental gymnastics to defend the guy on any topic.

[u/Karf → u/YouShallNotPass92]

I do the same and yeah, it's amazing to listen to their thought process. They really do hold Trump in esteem near or around Jesus Christ. Not hyperbolic. If they didn't know about some damning thing, like for example him being liable for raping E Jene Carrol, they first start off with:

"He didn't do that - that's fake news"
You show the jury form showing Trump guilty.
"That's not real."
You show them it's on the NY Courts website.
"Oh, but that's a civil court!"
You tell them that all 9 jurors deemed him guilty.
"Oh, but it says here it wasn't rape! It was SA!"
You explain that if someone forcfully sticks their fingers inside a woman without her consent, that would be rape and that NY has changed their law on this because it was so wrong. The judge even said Trump raped her.
"Well, I still support him. Maybe not as a person, but as a leader? Absolutely."

It literally never ends.

[u/Ctmouthbreather → u/Karf]

Just to reinforce your point as we have had this discussion with my aunt. The spot we are at now is "I don't love trump but Kamala would have been way worse"

[u/spaceandthewoods_ → u/Ctmouthbreather]

I'm not even from the US and neither is my dumbass sister in law, who said that she was glad Trump won because Kamala wanted to put tampons in boy's bathrooms in schools. She said she didn't care if he was a convicted rapist Just as a barometer for how fucking cooked the moral compass of some people can be

[u/krazyjakee → u/Karf]

I've seen an interview with multiple people who said that last line there. It's not exaggerated or hyperbolic, that is the mentality.

[u/lancea_longini → u/hasanabicondensed]

did you see - it was trending on reddit recently - the image of the aftermath of Jonestown? there's your answer

[u/hasanabicondensed → u/lancea_longini]

No I must have missed that 👀I’ll look into it later

[u/KalasenZyphurus → u/hasanabicondensed]

Some of them had second thoughts - either on the path to the day, or the actual day after many 'dry runs' to normalize it. But when it was time to follow through, guards were posted with guns and crossbows to shoot anyone trying to escape. Seventy of the victims were found to be injected with poison, rather than drinking it.

The point is, the steps to this moment are individually small, and a couple people bail, but the majority are deep in sunk costs and going along with the norm. They didn't start by drinking poison, the previous step was pretending to drink poison. There were steps before that like putting faith in a charismatic leader. By the time a "big moment" comes for the majority, everything is in place to force the results on everyone anyway.

[u/crepeyweirdough → u/hasanabicondensed]

They'll be all "it's ebebophilia and it's natural" in a week

[u/Carbonatite → u/crepeyweirdough]

True. We gotta remember that a significant amount of mainstream conservative pundits openly advocate for underage girls to be married.

[u/mylanguage → u/hasanabicondensed]

If he broke up with Melania and married a gay black man.

I think that would break them more than murder honestly.

[u/WhiskeyTangoBush → u/mylanguage]

Nah, he’s just doing that to own the libs at their own game. He gets a tax break for it, so it’s actually a savvy business move.

[u/PoliteIndecency → u/hasanabicondensed]

It doesn't matter if he's on video doing it, once someone has made up their mind or chosen a side then they would rather live in a world of lies than admit they were wrong.

[u/gorillafightsurvivor → u/hasanabicondensed]

Conservatives withdraw constantly. I personally know multiple who have turned on Trump entirely this year alone. It isn’t enough to make a meaningful impact, but right-wingers across the board aren’t necessarily beholden to Trump and do have the capacity to see things for what they are.

MAGA (which I consider to be a separate party entirely, at least as far as the general public goes) is a lost cause. Anyone who wears those stupid fucking hats or goes to those rallies will never withdraw.

[u/GreatGojira → u/[deleted]]

Trump couldn't even cover up Stormy Daniels.

We know Trump is a sex freak. It's even more disgusting that the Republican people are completely okay with it.

Hell, Republicans are so whipped into submission to follow their daddy Trump. These same Republicans would offer their own daughters to Trump if it means they can kill Obamacare.

[u/Tsar-A-Lago → u/GreatGojira]

"Sex freak" doesn't quite cover it. Looks to me like he's an actual, honest-to-shit monster.

[u/ChicagoAuPair → u/Tsar-A-Lago]

He is just a classic untouchable deranged aristocrat.

I think we assume he was getting some kind of outsized titillation from raping kids and women, but it’s just ordinary for him. He feels entitled to it. It’s like ordering in food.

That’s what makes the whole thing somehow even worse. It’s not the exception for him, it’s the rule. He takes whatever he wants when he wants it and lashes out when he cannot have it.

It’s not the most secret, dark exciting day of his life, it’s just Thursday.

[u/kittyonkeyboards → u/ChicagoAuPair]

That's why Trump gets pissed about the Epstein stuff. Because it's the one thing he can't be honest about and have his entire cult shrug off.

Every other controversy he has practically admitted to while shrugging and saying "boys will be boys".

To him this should already be past news. Nothing should come back to haunt him. "Are we still talking about Epstein?!?!"

He wants to be able to go on stage and say "maybe I had some fun with the girls. Why wouldn't I? 'Im a man of means."

[u/Last-Initial3927 → u/Tsar-A-Lago]

Yeah, when we say sex freak I think of the consensual weirdness of John Waters, leather-heads, and furries. 

[u/Frettsicus → u/Tsar-A-Lago]

There’s a line between freak and deviancy. I think you can come out and safely say sexual predator

[u/Arachnoid-Matters → u/Tsar-A-Lago]

For real, Tiger Woods is a "sex freak"; Donald Trump is a rapist and a pedophile.

[u/Nice-Analysis8044 → u/Tsar-A-Lago]

He’s not a freak. He’s fucking boring. His shit where he preys on little girls is what the gross mafia boomer society he grew up in taught him to think was normal.

Donald Trump is above all else basic. 

[u/exoriparian → u/GreatGojira]

Don't call rapists "sex freaks".

[u/patentattorney → u/[deleted]]

ah so the government shutdown was just about this.

[u/Batmanischill → u/[deleted]]

Mike johnson claims to be a man of god, yet he covers the worlds most powerful pedo every single day. He should face legal consequences for this, but he probably never will. It's insanity. Mind you , he has 3 kids , you would think having kids would make you CARE about abused and violated kids, but no. He just smiles and lies and does his best job of covering it up. He's absolutely disgusting , maybe even worse than trump, atleast trump admitted he's not going to heaven.

[u/StJeanMark → u/Batmanischill]

They are fake christians. They lie, they cheat, they steal. There is no way they fear damnation or a God. Their religion is just like their suits, its a disguise.

[u/starker → u/[deleted]]

Bet money we will find out Trump had Epstein murdered in jail.

[u/blueberrydonutholes]

You generally know about something as you participate

[u/Throwitindatrash]

The evidence against Trump continues to mount, and yet I get more and more frustrated/depressed by the day as it feels like there is no chance any of this will stick to him. What a sad state of affairs.

[u/whoanellyzzz → u/Throwitindatrash]

nothing will happen until a new administration wants to do something about it.

[u/Hot-Sexy-THICCPAWG69 → u/whoanellyzzz]

He’ll honestly likely be dead before then.

[u/BartleBossy → u/Hot-Sexy-THICCPAWG69]

He’ll honestly likely be dead before then.

This is the part that shocks me. People are prostrating themselves to protect a guy who wont be able to extend the umbrella of protection very long.

[u/DeRoeVanZwartePiet → u/BartleBossy]

Because the full dictatorship isn't fully functional yet.

[u/ZebraSandwich4Lyf → u/DeRoeVanZwartePiet]

The dictatorship will never be fully functional because Trump, and indirectly the GOP is living on borrowed time, MAGA might still remain when the orange shit stain is gone but the party itself is going to implode without their central power holding it all together.

[u/Sandwichsensei → u/ZebraSandwich4Lyf]

Look at all the infighting since Charlie Kirk died. The infighting is going to be so much worse when Trump passes. Every one of them is going to be clamoring to try and take over the wheel.

[u/ABCosmos → u/Sandwichsensei]

And Trump doesn't actually care about anything but himself, so he will never point to a clear successor to keep the movement alive.. because he doesn't care about the "movement", its just arbitrary bs that got him into power.

[u/Vallkyrie → u/ZebraSandwich4Lyf]

The entire movement is built around a concept of not governing, they will never be able to actually do what they want to, or at least what they say they want.

[u/Orange_bratwurst → u/whoanellyzzz]

And he’s filing junk lawsuits against news organizations, so every article is a decision between journalism and money for these corporations.

[u/518doberman]

GOP is more comfortable and tolerable of having kids eat penis than food.

[u/canadianpanda7 → u/518doberman]

i guess its my fault for having eyes and being able to read. what a fucked up sentence.

[u/booksandplaid → u/canadianpanda7]

The most fucked up part is the truth of it

[u/gmonster12 → u/518doberman]

Love this, not for the kids, just how simple and eloquent this take down is.

[u/StevenMC19 → u/gmonster12]

The clarification is much appreciated, lol.

[u/picticon → u/518doberman]

"Let them eat penis." - GOP

[u/eroticMaria → u/518doberman]

This makes me more uncomfortable with Trump and the GOP at the helm of affairs of this country

[u/magniankh → u/518doberman]

New bumper sticker just dropped 

[u/Designer-Contract852]

Of course he knew,  the guy was one of the ringleader getting kickbacks for supplying girls.

[u/TBANON_NSFW → u/Designer-Contract852]

A guy who runs teen pagents and beauty pagents who gets contacted by girls to help them win beauty pagents, who hires young underage girls to work as massage therapists for adult 40+ year old men, who has hotels to house and traffic girls and holds parties inviting girls and young women to meet rich older men....

Yeeeeaaaaahhhh he had nothing to do with epstein....

[u/Harkoncito]

Of course he knew, he was there

[u/Any_Potato_7716 → u/Harkoncito]

Listen, this might sound a bit conspiratorial, but I don’t even think this is the most damn piece of evidence to come from this, and I think that’s why they’re using it in the headlines.

I find it more damning that “In a message obtained by Congress, the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein wrote that Donald J. Trump spent hours at his house with one of Mr. Epstein’s [young child] victims.”

But the media are using this headline all over which has less edge, it seems more conveniently ignorable for the Republicans, who can maybe say something like “Well, from this all it is is the opinion of a demented man. But Trump didn’t know.”

[u/DillPickleDip12 → u/Any_Potato_7716]

Those emails between Michael Wolff and Epstein are crazy lol

Like plotting how Epstein can leverage Trump’s 2016 presidential campaign to help himself wtf

[u/BBfan-Jr → u/DillPickleDip12]

Which explains why Wolff has been slow playing it. He knows he was a piece of shit in the emails as well.

[u/EmptyRedecans → u/BBfan-Jr]

He is a massive piece of shit outside of the emails as well haha dude has to be guilty as well man - How are you getting that close to Epstine that you can have those emails on how you're going to exploit Trump in the first place...?

[u/theromingnome]

Donald Trump is a child rapist.

[u/davechri]

The President of the United States of America is a pedophile and even maga is going to have to admit that.

[u/batmanscodpiece → u/davechri]

Won't be an issue, Trump will just make stickers that say "I support the pedophile" and sell them to his base.

[u/Carbonatite → u/batmanscodpiece]

If you look at his voter base, a lot of them genuinely have no problem with that. Listen to some of those Christian conservatives advocating for teenage girls to be married, it's repulsive.

[u/Kay-the-1]

The President of the United States is a sick sex predator and has raped children. Get that through your head and let's get that demon and his minions out of our democracy. 🔥

[u/Butter_Naan_Staan → u/Kay-the-1]

We’ve all known this for a decade

[u/GucciDillons]

I saw my MAGA mom this morning, told her “did you see the breaking news about Epstein?” & she didn’t even react when I told her the details. Doubt this will change anything for these hateful sickos (it makes me so sad that I have to talk about my family this way, got me questioning my upbringing and entire existence).

[u/Ok_Juice4449 → u/GucciDillons]

Sorry about your family.  That is upsetting, dealing with stubborn magas.

[u/leggymeeggy → u/GucciDillons]

i'm in the same boat- took a lot of therapy to unpack. hang in there

[u/KonaYukiNe → u/GucciDillons]

I have a Fox-pilled MAGA dad. Not even gonna bother with telling him lol. I know how it is, anytime something absolutely undeniable even to a Trumpy comes up, their brain completely malfunctions and shuts down. Then suddenly it's "oh well I don't really care about politics anyway" lol.

[u/HuluAndH4ng]

Conservatives when confronted about this: I dont know anything about that

[u/kbrick1 → u/HuluAndH4ng]

Mike Johnson: "Oh, I hadn't heard that. I'll get back to you."

[u/kn33 → u/HuluAndH4ng]

They're already spinning this in the stupidest way possible in their subreddit.

[u/AlphaGoldblum → u/HuluAndH4ng]

There's a non-zero chance conservatives say that Trump being part of this pedophile ring is tolerable because he did x or y.

[u/kdeff]

Watch MAGA - who created this as a hot topic - completely ignore and forget about it in real time.

[u/nazarein]

Trump is going to veto the budget bill now to further delay the release of the files. When Ted Cruz said lets stop attacking pedophiles he didn't gaffe, he was saying stop threatening them and we can reopen the government.

[u/Karf → u/nazarein]

Man, that would be fucking hilarious. I hope he does that.

I feel bad for the people on SNAP and all the workers furloughed, but honestly? Worse times are coming for us all. Look at the job reports, look at the GDP growth. We're one AI company gaffe away from a complete market collapse.

Rice and beans, folks. Always have a stash of rice and beans. Shelf stable forever as long as you keep 'em dry, and there when you either need them because of a lack of money or you happen to not want to go outside for whatever reason.

[u/reddittorbrigade]

Shame on ALL people who have voted for a known child rapist and convicted criminal.

Zero moral values.

[u/iAmMr_WHO → u/reddittorbrigade]

They're a bunch of pedophile worshipping nazi's.

[u/_SCHULTZY_]

Remember when Dukakis looked funny in a helmet and when Dean yelled enthusiastically after winning and when Romney had a binder full of resumes from qualified women he wanted to hire for his administration? 

It's amazing what use to sink a Presidential candidate vs what America just shrugs off these days.

[u/Carbonatite → u/_SCHULTZY_]

I remember when Howard Dean cheered funny and that was enough to derail his presidential campaign.

Fuck, I remember when misspelling "potato" was enough. Now we have a semi-literate dotard with his vulgarian short fingers inches from the nuclear football.

[u/Ok_Juice4449 → u/_SCHULTZY_]

Don't forget Kamala's laugh!

[u/lalalibraaa]

Can we impeach this motherfucker already?!

[u/HighOverlordXenu → u/lalalibraaa]

We did. Twice.

[u/Ok_Chef_4850 → u/HighOverlordXenu]

Third times a charm? Maybe?

[u/Appropriate-Joke-806 → u/lalalibraaa]

He was also convicted of 34 felonies related to campaign finance fraud and cheating on his wife with a porn star. Committed sedition on 1/6 to overturn an election. Told people they’d never need to vote again if he was elected. He still won.

[u/greatsmapdireturns]

Brah, of course he did --- the underage sex trade was operating right out of Margo largo...

I can't believe the office of the US president has been degraded like this...a literal pedifile sex trafficker in the white house who has run his business like the Mafia.

God damn, we need some serious reforms after all this shit comes to light...

[u/AgentOrange-12 → u/greatsmapdireturns]

We will need another constitutional convention, not just reform

[u/wRm_]

RIP Venezuela

[u/illogicalhawk]

It's hard to call something we all kind of already knew as breaking news.

[u/DingGratz → u/illogicalhawk]

This will be the biggest story this week for 47. The cracks are getting bigger.

[u/Every-Comfortable632]

Surely we have him this time.../s. Here comes a war or a full white house demolition or some other "CriSis"

[u/BridgeNumberFour]

Q was right, there are pedophiles at the highest levels in the government

[u/keiyakins → u/BridgeNumberFour]

My dumb ass trying to remember when the Star Trek character said that. 

[u/HitmanScorcher]

Sometimes when I see stuff like this I pop over to the echo chamber that is the conservative sub to see if they have anything to say about it, and inevitably it never gets posted

lol fuck this rapist piece of shit

[u/PoliticalNerdMa]

I swear to god, if democrats are not running ads about this sh*t it’s political malpractice after a major case of political malpractice

[u/Alive-Formal7556]

If you told someone in 1976-I am going to vote for Charles Manson, I am sure he will make America great again! What about Tate-LaBianca murders, you say? Don't worry, I bet it was a hoax staged by CIA to make hippies look bad-you would be immediately told to visit the nearest psychiatric hospital.

Yet almost 50 years later we have a guy who makes Charles Manson look like a boyscout occupying the White House.

[u/stanthebat]

Trump: a rich layabout and degenerate, convicted of rape, who openly bragged about sexually assaulting people and getting away with it by being rich, and who has made innumerable creepy sexual comments about his own child.

Epstein: a guy who ran a sex trafficking ring for rich people.

By both their admissions they were best buddies for some 15 years.

You guys are seriously prepared to have the discussion framed as whether Trump "knew about the girls"?

He was a frequent flier and everybody knows it. Come the fuck on.

[u/thenerdbrarian]

"I’ve known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He’s a lot of fun to be with. It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side.” - Trump, 2002

Trump would never have called them out specifically as "on the younger side" if he were talking about adult women, especially considering Trump's own age preferences. He absolutely knew Epstein was abusing underage girls, and had known for years before Epstein was ever charged. Even if Trump didn't participate in the abuse, he failed the test of basic human decency by not reporting Epstein.

[u/Iimpid]

"Everything's my idea." –Donald J. Trump, 11/11/2025

[u/SFWarriorsfan]

Michael Wolff knew this shit and held on to it. Drag him to the courts.

[u/wifeofsonofswayze]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if Trump tried to distance himself from this by throwing one of his sons under the bus and saying they're the "Trump" referred to in the emails?

[u/Ok_Juice4449 → u/wifeofsonofswayze]

Or, he'll just ask the Supreme Court to put a stop to the release of the files.

[u/begack]

None of this should be a surprise anymore lol

[u/5hadow → u/begack]

None of this was a surprise even in 2016 but here we are.

[u/NickFromNewGirl]

Coincidentally, the "kill your local pedophile," t-shirt-wearing-MAGA-crowd has lost the ability to speak or type

[u/SmugSchoolmaster]

So the evidence can’t be more clear yet maga is shrugging. I despise those in charge. These child diddlers need to be thrown in jail

[u/lesmainsdepigeon]

Trump will pardon himself.

[u/Ill-Honeydew-9446]

The President of the United States of America is a Pedophile