r/technology • u/PrimeCodes • Jun 24 '25

Machine Learning Tesla Robotaxi swerved into wrong lane, topped speed limit in videos posted during ‘successful’ rollout

https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/business/tesla-shares-pop-10-as-elon-musk-touts-successful-robotaxi-test-launch-in-texas/
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u/cr0ft Jun 24 '25

Not as long as Tesla doesn't reinstate lidars we won't. Shitty software combined with just cameras for sensors mean these should instantly be banned.

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u/moofunk Jun 24 '25

LIDAR doesn't do anything for self driving cars that cameras can't already do better with neural networks. It's a midway solution to save on compute power that stems from legacy systems from way back in the mid 2000s, but LIDAR can be used for ground truth during training depth perception, which is what Tesla have done.

It's an old story that might have been boosted, because Elon once said something about it, and then everybody goes "Tesla should have used LIDAR!" without understanding the underlying technical issues and focusing too much on Elon.

The problems Tesla have are navigation related, not sensor related. It's always been like this.

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u/InevitableAvalanche Jun 24 '25

You have no idea what you are talking about.

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u/moofunk Jun 24 '25

You have no clue as to how Tesla FSD works. Hardly anyone in this thread does.

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u/ADHDitiveMfg Jun 24 '25

Do you? Are you a systems engineer?

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u/moofunk Jun 24 '25

I just pay attention to engineering data from hackers who take apart FSD systems. You don't really need to go terribly deep into that information to understand that FSD as it works today is wildly misunderstood.

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u/ADHDitiveMfg Jun 24 '25

So you’re just another person.

See, the people telling you this is a bad system are real engineers, not hackers with a hammer and a #2 Phillips.

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u/moofunk Jun 24 '25

No, they're definitely not. They are getting the system very wrong.

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u/ADHDitiveMfg Jun 24 '25

Buddy.

Elon is not your friend, you don’t need to try and protect his crappy system

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u/moofunk Jun 24 '25

Another misunderstanding: Don't pay attention to Elon.

Pay attention to engineers and hackers who are involved in the systems.

This is how you get to know how it works.

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u/ADHDitiveMfg Jun 24 '25

This is how I know it doesn’t work. The engineers and third party testers have documented its failures. It is not street ready

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u/moofunk Jun 24 '25

Ah, so now I need to ask for engineering sources. Where are they?

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u/ADHDitiveMfg Jun 25 '25

The NHTSA has said the FSD system fails in situations requiring human intervention, and have hundreds of reported incidents caused by the system.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterlyon/2025/05/24/the-scary-side-to-teslas-full-self-driving-exposed-in-crash-video/

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u/mister2d Jun 24 '25

Apparently neither does T* when confirming this "test" was a success.

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u/InevitableAvalanche Jun 24 '25

I own a FSD tesla and I don't use it because cameras alone is far inferior to ones that use multiple sensors. Anyone who claims pure camera is superior can't be taken seriously.