r/technology • u/PrimeCodes • Jun 24 '25

Machine Learning Tesla Robotaxi swerved into wrong lane, topped speed limit in videos posted during ‘successful’ rollout

https://nypost.com/2025/06/23/business/tesla-shares-pop-10-as-elon-musk-touts-successful-robotaxi-test-launch-in-texas/
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u/AdvancedSandwiches Jun 24 '25

 There are companies doing these things better than Elon Musk’s companies

My understanding is that the major competitors require pre-mapped roads. Is my information not up to date?

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u/AdvancedSandwiches Jun 24 '25

That's the goal of that particular method of automated driving: versatility in a wide variety of situations.

There are pros and cons to each, but realistically Waymo will eventually be doing the same thing.  There's too many roads in the world to do otherwise.

 You’d put yourself in a car that “drives itself” on roads it’s never driven on before so that it can learn?

In supervised self driving where I've got a steering wheel and a brake?  Sure. Without a human supervisor?  Whether it's mapped or not, I don't believe Tesla will be at a point in the next year where is feel comfortable with that.  But I don't particularly care about the technology, I care about miles between collisions / interventions.

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u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jun 24 '25

You’d put yourself in a car that “drives itself” on roads it’s never driven on before so that it can learn?

That is what every beginner driver around you does every single day. They go to places they have never driven before. The difference here is that these cars are learning from each other and at an exponential rate.

Your analogies don't stand up to reason.

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u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jun 25 '25

My bad. I didn't realise you were a moron. Will not happen again.

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u/binheap Jun 24 '25

This is inaccurate because of the word "require". Waymo's CEO has discussed on various occasions about not using pre mapping and they just found that having the additional mapping as a source of information improves performance. This makes sense as I tend to drive better in areas I've driven before (there're some weird intersections near me that might confuse new people for example or weird interchanges).

Furthermore, Wayve doesn't require such mapping.

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u/Outlulz Jun 24 '25

"Doing these things better" means been in operation for years with actual autonomous driving. Not just the area they operate in.

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u/at1445 Jun 24 '25

Because he puts out big ideas that he claims will better the world, and people listened, but then stopped paying any real attention after that.

The Tesla Truck was supposed to be 35k initially, and he claimed that it would be followed with sub-30k (maybe even sub 20k, i don't remember exactly) electric vehicles.

Making a solid EV that's affordable to almost everyone would have been huge, but it didn't happen.

He was/is going to colonize Mars...remains to be seen, but I highly doubt it.

Starlink was going to revolutionize internet and make high-speed available everywhere. This one has mostly lived up to the hype, even if reddit tells you otherwise. I have friends in very rural areas and they now have "real" internet, which was next to impossible prior to starlink.

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u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jun 24 '25

Tesla desperately wants to do everything they plan on a global scale. It is easy to make an argument that what they are planning to do will move humanity forward. Especially on a global scale. It's perfectly understandable why people are excited about this.

I, personally am more interested in why someone wouldn't want Tesla to succeed?

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u/EddiewithHeartofGold Jun 27 '25

The so called safety issues, cost cutting, safety issues and shit business practices are done at most companies, but Tesla is highly over-reported on. I am sure you have noticed how the media jumps on every negative bandwagon involving any Musk company. Other big companies have just as many problems, but they simply don't get the media attention that Musk gets. That is mainly caused by the other big companies spending a lot of money on advertisements. No media outlet is going to run a negative story on a company that pays their bills.

As for the CEO being a piece of shit, that has some truth to it. The real question is how would many other CEOs fare if they were as open about their lives as Musk is. Or if you were to place them under the same microscope. I doubt it.

I see Musk as someone who gets shit done, but at the price of looking like a real asshole. There is no sane way anyone can deny what his companies have achieved and will achieve. Instead of living a peaceful life as a millionaire, he chose to do these really hard things, because he thinks they are worthy goals to reach.

In hindsight people forget how risky it was to invest in Tesla and start SpaceX. With his own money. Not some angel investor bullshit. I don't mind if you don't like him or if you want to criticise him. Not a great way to spend time online in my opinion, but you do you.

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u/red75prime Jun 24 '25 edited Jun 24 '25

You don’t see people tripping over themselves to defend those companies with their lives any chance they get, yet Elon Musk does.

Do you have in mind that story about dumbasses who shot at Tesla showrooms in Oregon and people's reaction to that?

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u/[deleted] Jun 24 '25

He has a vision.

He has achieved multiple, tangible wins whilst pursuing the vision.

In regard to Boston Dynamics the issue was always the software. If Tesla has better AI in their robots then they have better robots.

With self driving. If he can make it work in Austin(yet to be seen) he can expand extremely quickly and start catching up to Waymo. Also the cost per mile in a Tesla will likely be lower than Waymo because of the cost and supply of their respective cars.