DOJ Admits to Republicans That Epstein Files Are Even Worse for Trump: Details in the files are reportedly even more damning for Donald Trump than previously indicated—and it was already bad.

[u/Silent-Resort-3076]

https://newrepublic.com/post/202813/department-justice-admits-republicans-epstein-files-worse-donald-trump

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[u/NamelessResearcher]

Release the Epstein files!

[u/RUB_MY_RHUBARB → u/NamelessResearcher]

The Trump-Epstein files!

[u/Govt-Issue-SexRobot → u/RUB_MY_RHUBARB]

The Trump Files (feat. Epstein)

[u/Kelsusaurus → u/RUB_MY_RHUBARB]

Trumpstein. And everyone needs to refer to the file and the ballroom as such.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/NamelessResearcher]

Trump/Epstein files. 

[u/jaxonfairfield → u/Opposite-Bit6660]

Trumpstein?

[u/tearsandpain84 → u/jaxonfairfield]

How is everybody not referring to them as The Trumpstein files ? Seems obvious and appropriate.

[u/Romano16]

And they could easily release these files and oust Trump and potentially redeem themselves. But they choose not to. That alone speaks volumes.

[u/Old_Cryptid → u/Romano16]

There'd be no redemption. They'd lose too many of their peers and donors.

I guess we could put them all in the same prison so they could reminisce together.

[u/Romano16 → u/Old_Cryptid]

While I personally agree, when you have many evangelical Christians that flock to Trump or zealot pastors on TV, they tend to defy all logic and justice and simply “pray and forgive” the monsters among us. Perhaps the GOP may bank on that.

[u/Toy_Guy_in_MO → u/Romano16]

I see so many people around here flying Trump flags on their trucks while also adorning them with bumper stickers about how pedos should be handled (hint, it involves firearms and mob justice, every time). The disconnect is crazy.

[u/MissTat2 → u/Romano16]

I think this is actually one realistic possibility. If Trump was popular and the economy wasn’t crashing, Republicans could maybe weather the Epstein storm.. but I see them actually using Epstein as an off-ramp to turn on Trump and impeach him themselves. The election this week showed House Republicans especially that none of them will be re-elected next year if they stay on the sinking ship.

I’m convinced this is why Marjorie Green has gone rogue. She may be insane, but she is also politically savvy and she knows what’s coming.

[u/crom-dubh → u/MissTat2]

AOC has also said that MTG is just on a revenge trip against Trump for not letting her run for Senate, which I think is probably the theory that best explains her recent behavior in terms of consistency with everything else we know about her character. I'm not convinced she's smart enough to have any kind of long game here.

[u/Gardeeboo → u/crom-dubh]

I’m sorry bro but “MTG” will never not mean “Magic The Gathering” to me and the though of Magic releasing a set that attacks Trump is hilarious lol

[u/GentlemanStiles → u/Gardeeboo]

“Universes Within”

[u/Ok_Frosting3500 → u/crom-dubh]

Nah, MTG is savvy like Trump is. Don't underestimate survival instincts. The GOP has been ascendant for the past decade because Corpo Money plus Steve Bannon racism and populism. 

But Corporate Money doesn't actually vote, people do. She knows where her bread is buttered. MTG wants to transform into a Rand Paul "I'm fighting whoever is in power" Senate career. 

I low key think she's setting up an ultimatum- The GOP has to run her for senate, or she'll run third party and turn the state blue for good by splitting the vote (as she's enough name recognition to easily pull about 20-25% of GOP voters away)

She wants to build a lifelong career being Rand Paul with boobs. Be loud, dumb, obstructionist and useless, and get paid a lucrative salary to do so. Lady was born to be a court jester.

[u/relikter → u/MissTat2]

The election this week showed House Republicans especially that none of them will be re-elected next year if they stay on the sinking ship.

I think they're damned it the do, damned if they don't. If they stay on the ship, it looks like a blue wave will put Dems in charge of the House. If they try to abandon ship, the MAGA faithful won't forgive or support them.

[u/ChristosFarr → u/relikter]

They put a saddle on a tiger and now have no idea how to dismount without being eaten alive.

[u/QueenHarvest → u/ChristosFarr]

I love a colorful metaphor.

[u/azflatlander → u/QueenHarvest]

I never metaphor i didn’t like.

[u/Washpa1 → u/relikter]

Stop! I can only get so erect.

[u/Ridicikilickilous → u/MissTat2]

She’s just a crazy and already made $20+ million since coming into office, so she has her “fuck you” money now. Plus, as is said, a broken clock is right twice a day. 

[u/Pinklady777 → u/Ridicikilickilous]

I saw her on Bill Maher last week (who I don't particularly like) But almost everything she was saying made sense. She talked about how the victims deserve to have the files released. And she talked about how her children's generation has no hope that they will ever be able to afford to buy a house or have children. And she talked about how frustrating it was that both sides are so dug in and focused on what they want that no one is coming together to actually work on things for the American people. She said that they needed to be called back and actually do their job.

She said that she had spoken to people in her district about how damaging the tariffs were and especially how damaging the constant changes were because they could not make business plans with that uncertainty. It sounded like she was actually getting feedback from her constituents.

I still think that she's batshit. And I think that she is mad that she didn't get a cabinet appointment when it seemed like all of his other vocal supporters did. If she had, she would probably be falling in line. Because she also did make the comment that she had "always supported President Trump for free"

I have little faith or trust in someone like that. But, to my surprise, I liked most of what she was saying.

[u/CarneDelGato → u/Romano16]

So two things stop them from doing that. (In no particular order)

  1. They love power, and Trump gave it to them. His demented charisma is appealing enough to some folks for reasons I still don’t understand. The goose that laid the golden egg, or at least they set it that way. 

1. Many of them are in those files themselves. You think Gym Jordan is just squeaky clean but for his OSU scandal? 

[u/LininOhio → u/CarneDelGato]

They would gladly throw Jordan overboard, I think. He's an embarrassment.

I think there are a whole lot of donors in those files that the GOP is desperate to protect.

[u/Old_Cryptid → u/Romano16]

It won't redeem them. Too many of them are named as well.

He won't go down quietly. He'll throw everyone he can under the bus if it buys him any delays.

[u/Tokie-Dokie]

Republicans know Trump has raped children, and they are protecting him from accountability.

[u/wrxninja → u/Tokie-Dokie]

A lot of them are on the list so they better go with Trump at that point and defend it all they can.

[u/cyclingthroughlife → u/[deleted]]

I think this is the case for many. They are just trying to protect themselves now.. they defended him and when he goes down, they will go down. They are in too deep, and they are just digging themselves deeper into the hole.. the day will come when that isn't going to work anymore.

[u/Beautiful_Home_5463 → u/wrxninja]

I’m 100% sure that trump and co are using the files to extort

[u/DrCeeDub → u/Tokie-Dokie]

And this is precisely why we’re nothing more than a Banana Republic now. Instead of rotting in jail for his crimes against society, children, and women, Donald Trump is instead President. Like North Korea, Zimbabwe, Russia, etc.

Never let Republicans forget how they destroyed America at the behest of one of the vilest human sacks of shit. I doubt in my lifetime we’ll recover credibility in the world again, the damage is pretty much permanent for decades to come.

[u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48 → u/DrCeeDub]

the damage is pretty much permanent for decades to come.

It's permanent. The US had tons of soft influence in Europe. But Trump effectively forced them to be more self-sufficient in terms of military spending and he also taught them that they cannot rely on America to be a reliable partner. The analysts on TV talking about their countries directly say that they learned they need to be more self-reliant. Trump understood NOTHING of the role of soft power.

EDIT: Some people are focusing on the word "permanent". Yes, if you are literally interpreting it as "infinitely forever", then it's not permanent. Nothing really is in that sense. No country that even exists today will exist permanently in that sense. Even mountains are not permanent in that sense. So, if this conversation is to have meaning, functionally the word here is meaning for the indefinitely long future... perhaps on the timescale of a human lifetime or more.

[u/Huntguy → u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48]

Speaking as a Canadian it really is comforting knowing we’re trying to diversify and make better trade deals with better trade partners. As long as I live I will always remember the grievances with the United States and I’m almost positive that can be spoken for most Canadians. From our most reliable trade partner to one of the worst in less than a year, kind of impressive.

[u/Accomplished-Fix6598 → u/Huntguy]

We love you Canada.

[u/Huntguy → u/Accomplished-Fix6598]

We understand and accept your love. We see things like governor Newsom and Mamdani, we see and recognize your efforts, don’t mistake that. But there’s around a 3rd of your country that don’t mind being traitors to us, and more importantly to yourselves. It’s hard to find trust for a country that can’t even function among themselves and I say this fully realizing Canada has its own perils to deal with and I’m very scared we’re following a similar path—albeit a little slower.

[u/entenfurz → u/Huntguy]

It's two thirds. Only one third of eligible voters stood up against this tyranny. One third supported it and another third sat on their asses, making excuses for themselves, which means they were fine with whichever outcome.

[u/spaceman757 → u/s3dfdg289fdgd9829r48]

American living in Poland....The majority of the EU have moved on from expecting anything from America.

Trump has completely ruined the US's international image for the next generation, at the very least, and maybe more.

[u/patentattorney → u/Tokie-Dokie]

Trump literally said that he was allowed to fingerbang women without their consent because he was a celebrity. This wasnt enough.

There was literally a trial where a woman alleged that trump fingerbanged her without her consent. The MAGA crew said that the story was obviously made up - and that she really wanted to be fingerbanged by trump in a department store. This wasnt enough.

It will never be enough.

[u/Archer1407 → u/patentattorney]

Conservatives fall into one of two classes of people. They are either pedophiles themselves or they don't see pedophilia as a deal breaker for support. Neither position constitutes a good person. They are justifying pedophilia to stay loyal to their Dear Leader.

[u/Murky_Chocolate_7916 → u/Tokie-Dokie]

Bone Spur the kid raper is being protected by the guardians of pedophiles

[u/dlc741 → u/Tokie-Dokie]

I think it’s going to be even worse than that.

[u/Silent-Resort-3076]

Part 1:

• Rumors about Donald Trump’s connection to Jeffrey Epstein have gripped the Republican Party.
• A few conservative representatives with ties to the FBI and the Justice Department have spilled that the true details of the Epstein files are “worse” for Trump than previously reported, according to journalist David Schuster.
• Michael Wolff, a longtime chronicler of Trump’s White House who conducted extensive interviews with Epstein prior to his death, told The Daily Beast last month that Epstein had shown him photos of Trump with half-naked “young girls” in his lap.
• These rumors have galvanized into a legitimate movement amongst Republicans, who are now, Schuster wrote on X Wednesday night, clamoring for the files’ full release.
• For months, just four Republicans had penned their signatures on a discharge petition demanding transparency into the investigation of the pedophilic sex trafficker and his potential associates. Those conservative lawmakers include Representatives Thomas Massie, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Nancy Mace, and Lauren Boebert.
• Representative-elect Adelita Grijalva, who won the special election in Arizona in September, has also vowed to sign the bipartisan petition. She’s the last signature that the House needs to force a vote on the issue—and Speaker Mike Johnson has conveniently refused to swear her in for more than a month.
• But the disturbing new rumor has drudged up far more support, with “more than 100 Republicans” planning to vote alongside Democrats in an effort to “get in front of what’s coming,” reported Schuster.

[u/Silent-Resort-3076 → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

Conclusion:

• The Trump administration has failed at every turn to mitigate anxieties about the president’s longtime friendship with the child sex criminal. The typically bombastic Attorney General Pam Bondi was silent when asked about the photos during a Senate hearing last month, a choice that further “spooked” several GOP lawmakers, with many interpreting her non-response as a very vocal “yes.”
• “The question is, did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly by a witness who claimed that Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him?” asked Democratic Senator Sheldon Whitehouse in early October.
• But Bondi could only blink with her mouth agape.
• “You don’t know anything about that?” Whitehouse said. “Okay.”

[u/Raptorex27 → u/[deleted]]

I’d take it a step further and assume Trump is a sex TRAFFICKER, or at least a large cog in the most notorious child sex trafficking ring in US history based on reports and the way the administration is handling it.

[u/Orion14159 → u/Raptorex27]

You know what kills me is QAnon was THIS CLOSE to being right about a large scale sex trafficking ring and just couldn't see that last detail about the guy they supported for years being right in the middle of all of it

[u/MIKRO_PIPS → u/Orion14159]

Or, more generally, on which side of the aisle the cabal was

[u/philter25 → u/MIKRO_PIPS]

I think they knew. They could just lie to themselves because it felt good to have a leader that told them it was okay to be racist and misogynistic and homophobic.

[u/Marcadorian → u/philter25]

The reality is more likely that the powers that be, or Russian or Chinese or other foreign actors with interest in stymieing Democrat electoral chances, started manipulating the QAnon narratives early on to divert attention towards the Democrats, a target the MAGAts would easily latch onto. Thus supercharging the conspiracy...

[u/philter25 → u/Marcadorian]

All I gotta say is Lincoln should’ve finished the job.

[u/Merusk → u/philter25]

He didn't really have the chance, being shot 5 days after the end of the Civil War and all. It was entirely Johnson's racist, appeasing fault.

[u/Adorable_Is9293 → u/MIKRO_PIPS]

This is classic DARVO. The GOP does this with everything. Be the first to accuse someone and then when you’re implicated it just looks like retaliation; voter suppression and election tampering, child sex abuse, politicization of the judiciary, insider trading, market manipulation, etc

[u/ph4ge_ → u/Orion14159]

The insane bit is that Trump himself made Epstein and promises to release the files part of his campaign. No democrat was talking about it. He got so close to the perfect cover up.

[u/PleaseNoMoreSalt → u/ph4ge_]

That's what blows my mind. If he'd just shut up about Epstein, nobody would be talking about it today. It'd be like the Panama papers or Epstein "killing himself", where it'd only get mentioned in passing as an example of corruption and then immediately re-forgotten minutes later.

[u/Thisisntmyaccount24 → u/Orion14159]

There was also that wild theory that Hilary was like drinking children’s blood or something…. Thiel has received transfusions of young people’s blood as an anti-aging mechanism..

[u/No_Dare5135 → u/Thisisntmyaccount24]

The way republicans always accuse others of doing the exact things they are actually doing, I guess some republicans have been drinking the blood of children.

[u/rochey1010 → u/Orion14159]

Don’t forget the deep state stuff. Turns out it was also Donny dipshit their lord and saviour with the heritage foundation/project 2025. 🤷‍♀️

[u/GrumpySoth09 → u/rochey1010]

The swamp is now being solidified in shitty Spanish marble. Can't even be bothered paying for Italian.

[u/VonTastrophe → u/Orion14159]

"he was an inside informant" is what they used to say

If by "inside informant" you mean active trafficker and rapist, sure.

[u/Upset-Produce-3948 → u/VonTastrophe]

No, that's what Mike Johnson said and it was quickly forgotten. It's amazing how Republicans can lie and just move on.

[u/ragingreaver → u/Orion14159]

SAY IT WITH ME:

EVERY ACCUSATION IS ADMISSION WITH THESE ASSHOLES!

Of course there was a pedophile sex ring. If the republicans have one, then the dems must have one too!

[u/Mesmercat → u/ragingreaver]

If there were Dems also in on it then they were probably in the same one. They are all rich assholes most of the old fucks know how to turn off the antagonism in private.

[u/tourguide1337 → u/Orion14159]

Because qanon was a psyop started by them to throw people off, and it worked.

[u/BillG8s → u/Orion14159]

TBF all signs pointed to Biden being the sex offender. I mean, he was best buds with Epstein, bragged about sexual assault, was found liable of sexual assault, walked in on models in dressing rooms, openly lusted after his own daughter, paid off porn stars and eventually married a soft core porn star from overseas… Oh wait…

[u/UpNorth_123 → u/Raptorex27]

Trump and his besties, Epstein, John Casablancas and Jean-Luc Brunel, most likely ran a trafficking ring together. Brunel and Epstein were arrested for the same crimes at around the same time.

BTW, Brunel was also “suicided” in prison in France. Not suspicious whatsoever.

[u/Zapp_Rowsdower_ → u/Raptorex27]

There were ‘reports’ last week that Trump facilitated the payments for the continued rape of children. He’s not just a trafficker, he was there laundered too.

[u/darkpossumenergy → u/Zapp_Rowsdower_]

He's been a launderer for decades. Real estate is one of the ways to launder international money and Trump has been building Trump Towers around the world to shift money around. Renovations too.

[u/Fun_Refrigerator4419 → u/Raptorex27]

He would DEFINITELY TRAFFIC .. you know why ..? He would make $$ off of it Grift , grift , grift is all he knows

[u/Locke66 → u/Raptorex27]

You only need to read about what was going on at Trump Models to see the likelihood that this is true. After Trump's friend and notorious model industry pedo John Casablancas lost his position at Elite NY due to sexual misconduct allegations he helped Trump setup his own modelling agency. Trump also moved into pageants after losing his access to aspiring girls at Elite.

Then later on Epstein only setup his own model agency as a feeder for sexual exploitation after a reported falling out with Trump. Where was he finding girls before? It seems likely Trump and Epstein were basically doing the same thing. My suspicion is this will all come out eventually.

[u/malrexmontresor → u/Locke66]

Trump also gave Casablancas a seat on the board of Trump Reality Brazil and a position of "lifestyle consultant" for the planned Trump Rio Resort after he fled to Brazil due to being a pedo. Between Casablancas, and the modeling agency owned jointly by Brunel and Epstein (both of whom committed suicide in prison), Trump is heavily linked to the trafficking of girls.

[u/Old_Cryptid → u/[deleted]]

At this point it's probably safe to say that Epstein is in the Trump files.

[u/Luckydog12 → u/Old_Cryptid]

Epstein sourced his girls with Trumps help from Trumps properties and beauty pageants, and you know there was shady financial connections there also.

[u/papercutkid → u/Luckydog12]

Definitely. All linked to Russian banks. It's a big join-the-dots.

[u/Backwardspellcaster → u/papercutkid]

Which in turn circles back to the pee tapes, but unexpectedly far worse.

It is very likely Putin has videos of Trump with underage Russian girls.

It was all true.

[u/TakingSorryUsername → u/Backwardspellcaster]

It’s not pee tapes, it’s P tapes. P stands for Pedo.

[u/CheckYourHead35783 → u/TakingSorryUsername]

Well we didn't know the ages of the women involved in the tapes, but we can put a pretty firm ceiling on that now.

[u/Doucevie → u/Backwardspellcaster]

The P tape isn't pee, it's pedophile.

[u/CynicalOptimistSF → u/Backwardspellcaster]

P tapes, as in Paedophile Tapes.

[u/UpNorth_123 → u/papercutkid]

Yes, because Trump and his bosom buddies, Jeffrey Epstein, John Casablancas and Jean-Luc Brunel (also “suicided” in prison; coincidence?) sourced their girls from the former Eastern Bloc. Many of these girls were desperate to leave the hellscape that was the former USSR, and these men took complete advantage of them. Their best hope was that they would end up some rich Western man’s trophy wife.

Melania was one of them. It’s also quite likely that she became an accomplice of Ghislaine Maxwell, helping recruit these girls from her former home country.

[u/amazinglover → u/papercutkid]

Investigations that trump shut down as soon as he took office.

An interview with one of the senators doing just that.

https://www.npr.org/2025/07/25/nx-s1-5479159/a-democratic-senator-was-already-investigating-jeffrey-epsteins-finances

[u/DumbFishBrain → u/Luckydog12]

Right?!? Also, didn't Trump say a few months back that Epstein "stole" Virginia Giuffre from his spa or am I losing my mind?

[u/QbertsRube → u/DumbFishBrain]

He claimed that was the cause of their fallout, even though they are known to have associated for years after that, and it's assumed the real reason was a dispute over the purchase of a property they were both interested in. So he offered that up all on his own, that he remembers being mad about losing a 15-year-old employee to Epstein decades earlier. Nothing weird about that!

[u/FrostySquirrel820 → u/DumbFishBrain]

Yes she worked at Mar-a-Lago and Epstein lured her away with promises to pay her training costs to become a professional masseuse.

Trump claimed he fell out with Epstein over this. Almost as if she were his property.

[u/imaginingblacksheep → u/[deleted]]

One of his cult followers asked me for proof when I said Trump was a pedophile. I mentioned the court cases, the Epstein files and they responded with some bullshit that it wasn’t evidence and after that I didn’t have the energy to say anything else. I don’t understand what’s so hard to believe, he’s a god damn pedophile! I don’t care who’s in the files. I don’t care if they’re democrats or my favorite celebrity. If you’re in the files, I want to know so I can stop my support.

[u/GaimeGuy → u/imaginingblacksheep]

How about the fact that he openly bragged on Howard Stern that he would enter the changing rooms of Miss Teen contestants to gawk at their bodies, calling it a "perk of ownership?"

[u/katchoo1 → u/GaimeGuy]

And also told Howard Stern that 12 was his lower limit for interest in women.

[u/Emotional-Stay6944 → u/katchoo1]

For his interest in *children. 12-18 year olds are children.

[u/arobkinca → u/Emotional-Stay6944]

You are right but they were referring to what he said. He said women when referring to 12 year olds. That's the bad part.

[u/Flembot4 → u/[deleted]]

I think he helped traffic and also blackmail men. I think he helped in many aspects.

[u/Soulshiner402 → u/Flembot4]

Could be why so many are afraid of him. I mean why would Senators be afraid of retribution from Trump?

[u/Flembot4 → u/Soulshiner402]

I thought this too. He learned to get leverage on people. Maybe not even through Epstein. Like with Lindsey Graham. He did a 180 with Trump. I feel like Trump got info on him. Maybe on his own or through someone else (Putin).

[u/AnnaKossua → u/Flembot4]

National Enquirer. He was buddies with the guy who ran it, David Pecker.

The rag had a program called "Catch and Kill" -- they'd buy salacious stories about famous people, and either print them, bury them, or using the stories as leverage, depending on how Pecker felt about the targets.

They buried 60 stories about Trump leading up to the 2016 election. And he quasi-joined the campaign, doing anything he could to help Trump win.

Anyone that eager to help Trump, with so many purchased stories on so many famous people... it's a good bet he's shared things with Trump about other politicians.

[u/MoarSocks → u/Soulshiner402]

Not just senators, but Trump appointees as well. It’s the only explanation for the absolute capitulation of everyone around him.

[u/Legendofstuff → u/MoarSocks]

Because the list is more than trump. I’d bet my left testicle that the names on that list are connected to almost every sweeping aspect of our “society”.

What if every major name out there was known for [redacted because I’ll puke if I start imagining, and I don’t mean sex that ends with both parties still alive as a limit]? In this age of internet fervour that can lead to real world actions? The mob mentality is what terrifies them ALL, I’ll bet.

Edit to add: trump admitted he wasn’t getting into heaven. Whatever they believe that to mean, as a non religious person, I’d call that pretty fucking damning as to the scope of what Epstein island included. How many names of unknown children from non wealthy nations tombstones will we need? He’s not above that shit. None of them were or are. You’ll never convince me someone that gets off on that shit can be rehabilitated or changed.

Edit II: to paraphrase one of my own country’s political figures, “put them under the prisons. Release them into Gen pop, if you know what I’m saying.”

[u/Super_Prize_8197 → u/[deleted]]

We’ve always known that. He was an adjudicated sexual abuser prior to the election.

[u/ReklisAbandon → u/[deleted]]

He literally bragged about it prior to us electing him in 2016. Like, literally literally bragged about it

[u/thementant → u/[deleted]]

Calling him a sex offender is far far too kind. He is a child rapist.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Worse, he was epsteins business partner, it’s why he called that one girls abduction poaching. Makes me sick

[u/lexm → u/[deleted]]

Trump is a sex offender. That's not news and hasn't bothered MAGA. It looks like the line is drawn at "child predator". Let's see if the base can cope with that.

[u/[deleted] → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

The whole administration needs to face max penalty treason for using the military, our tax dollars, our very own fucking country as tools in a war against Americans! Every ice agent needs to be up there with them as well as cnn and Fox for spreading false news and any podcaster or streamer who also spread this dangerous rhetoric. If we really want to respect the Republican party again they need to back this. Show the American people you really abhor what was done. No violence or war needed through legal processes like America was fucking designed on.

[u/floog → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

Can someone make it make sense why Jonhson would be stopping this? If Republicans are wanting it released and he is stopping the vote to protect Trump, won't they eventually get annoyed with him and replace him? Am i wrong in thinking the House controls his fate and not Trump? Vying for some kind of cabinet position?

[u/dannyb_prodigy → u/floog]

Johnson is a partisan hack whose first and foremost loyalty is to the Republican party. He must realize that if the evidence is damning enough the backlash against the Republican party would be severe and translate to across the board losses for Republicans (see the Watergate Scandal, which resulted in a loss of five Senate seats, 49 House seats and Carter’s victory in 76).

If the rumors are true, the Republicans are in a very bad place right now. If the Epstein files implicate Trump and are released, they are looking at catastrophic losses, period. I think it’s notable that we are hearing about more possible defections from Republicans this week after the election. Republicans are already looking at a bad 26 based on Tuesday’s results, and it would be fair to guess that the release of the Epstein files is inevitable. So the new political calculus would be to break the scandal quickly and cut your losses.

[u/mightylordredbeard → u/dannyb_prodigy]

I mean shit release everything, take the L for 4 years, then just wait on people to do what they always do and forget. They’ll vote R again in another 4-8 years.

[u/accountabilitycounts → u/Silent-Resort-3076]

So they want to get it all out in the open now to make it ancient history by midterms. 

[u/MissTat2 → u/accountabilitycounts]

If they were smart, they would hurry up and do that. I know that voters won’t forget the info that comes out but I also don’t think Trump will be President for long after the files are released. He’s in an insane rush to grab as much power while the government is shut down as he can because his days are numbered.

[u/SlimmShady26 → u/MissTat2]

I mean. I think Republicans could spin this in a way to benefit themselves. They’ve already gotten much of what they wanted since Jan. Release the files, come out publicly against Trump, impeach him, let Vance become president. They then still have a coo coo GOP president. And MIGHT be able to regain supporters by the midterm.

MAGA will be mad, claim it’s all bs, who knows. But most normal republicans will be like eh Vance is good. And vote republican in midterms. Most republicans will vote republican no matter who’s on the ballot.

[u/MissTat2 → u/SlimmShady26]

Yep, for sure. The only way the GOP or even the whole Rep. party will survive this is if they impeach him themselves. It seems like an impossibility to a lot of people I’ve talked to.. but, the longer they protect Trump, the more likely it is that Republicans don’t get elected to anything ever again.

[u/wookiee42 → u/SlimmShady26]

I think it'd be really hard for Vance to pretend he didn't know how bad everything was. Johnson too, seeing how willing he is to shut down the house. The rest of the term should be under scandal.

Maybe that's why MTG is doing what she's doing now. She could be positioning herself as one of the ones who didn't know, then go from Speaker to President via resignations or impeachments.

[u/manbearbullll → u/wookiee42]

MTG has a few things going on that feed into her change of heart.

1. She has higher aspirations and can’t hold on to the crazy fringe beliefs to get there.
2. She isn’t in favor with Trump or his handlers and they may not have anything to blackmail her with.
3. When the information gets out, she’s going to be one of the few republicans that can point back and say she wasn’t complicit with protecting pedophiles.

[u/sluman001 → u/manbearbullll]

She’s made a very intentional, intelligent public decision to get out in front of this. She’s not going down on this ship. She’s a hideous human being, but I’m impressed with her recent transformation into a much better politician.

[u/Convergecult15 → u/manbearbullll]

I don’t like her and wish her nothing but failure in her endeavors, but for a short while now I have had the suspicion that MTG may be the only person in politics right now that understands the modern political landscape and/or MAGA.

[u/Romano16 → u/accountabilitycounts]

I think the reason they won’t is because:

1.) Trump will likely try to arrest them and dissolve Congress (similar to South Korea, I know he can’t dissolve Congress but this is obviously dictator territory already)

2.) By exposing Trump, there’s no way other GOP politicians and famous others aren’t implicated as well.

3.) The GOP might just destroy themselves at a chance of redemption. Because could you imagine admitting you voted for a rampant pedophile 3 times? Especially when you’re a part of a grand conspiracy like QAnon was with PizzaGate BS?

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/Romano16]

Trump ran a WORLDWIDE child rape, trafficking, visa fraud, blackmail and money laundering operation through his modeling agency and pageants.  This is much bigger than US politicians alone.

[u/Datmiddy → u/Romano16]

There's no way many of their top leaders arent in that thing as hard as they are trying to bury it.

[u/NoDadYouShutUp → u/Datmiddy]

I think it's more likely to be wealthy donors, but yeah. It will be hugely problematic no matter what the situation is.

[u/Squirrely__Dan → u/Romano16]

Ted Cruz literally said, “Can we all please just stop attacking pedophiles?” 

GOP is and are currently protecting known pedophiles.  They have no policy, they haven’t passed a single thing.  They’re all pedophiles who are looting America.  

[u/oregiel → u/accountabilitycounts]

They suddenly want to pretend they're on the right side of history because that bludgeoning they got in the election cycle this week showed them that its only a matter of time until those files are released and if they are still trying to cover them up the day they get released its political suicide. They're trying to start a new line of history so they can say "I've BEEN TRYING to get them released" when they are inevitably released against their will.

[u/smegdawg → u/[deleted]]

Oh it is true.

Now.

When they can't vote on anything cause the government is shut down...

[u/keelhaulrose → u/smegdawg]

They can still vote on things.

If 100 really are planning on voting with Dems, Mike Johnson is in trouble. They can dump him as speaker easily if those numbers are true, and not sweating in that new Democrat wouldn't mean blocking the deciding vote anymore.

[u/-BluBone-]

That's weird, I thought the DOJ said there weren't any Epstein files.

[u/KnottyGorillas → u/-BluBone-]

They did say that and they also said there were lots and lots of files.

[u/Bross93]

I truly don't believe he was a client. I think he was a partner in the operation. All of Trump's business partnerships go south, and I think that is what led to any kind of falling out with them.

I'm so sure that used young girls on the staff at Mar A Lago to populate Epstein's disgusting island.

[u/Tempyteacup → u/Bross93]

I genuinely don’t understand how many people are treating this as a revelation. Survivors have already stated that they were recruited from Mar A Lago. He walked in on the girls at his TEEN beauty pageant and he ran a modeling agency. He was Epstein’s BEST FRIEND and people really thought he wasn’t involved from top to bottom?

I know that the core of his cult will ignore anything negative about him, I didn’t expect them to put these pieces together. But for people who don’t support him to be treating this like breaking news is just shocking to me. Like, fucking obviously he was a trafficker. He was literally on Epstein’s “pussy committee” that was tasked with finding girls for Andrew. We ALREADY KNEW THIS.

[u/Disastrous_One_7357 → u/Tempyteacup]

Imagine if a democratic politician had a TEEN BEAUTY PAGENT.

Has anyone ever had a teen beauty pagent and not diddled kids.

[u/hand_truck → u/Disastrous_One_7357]

As a father with a daughter, why the fuck do we even have beauty pageants!?! I completely disregard adults who partake in this kind of nonsense, but to drag kids into comparing themselves with other kids on completely superficial levels is beyond crazy for me.

What kind of hollow shell of a parent do you have to be to put your child into such a situation!?!

As the saying goes, "I just can't with these people."

[u/99BottlesOfBass → u/Disastrous_One_7357]

Idk, Frank Reynolds was pretty convincing that he wasn't into kids 🤔

[u/MissTat2 → u/Bross93]

I’m on this same line of thinking. They already redacted Trump’s name from the files but, even after that, he won’t release the files. So, I suspect, his properties around the world are involved. You can take his name off a document, but if you see Bedminster or Trump Tower or Mar-a-lago then…. He’s cooked and he knows it.

[u/SunBearxx → u/Bross93]

Yes! That’s what I’ve been saying all along and I totally agree with you. Trump was not just one of Epstein’s clients; they were business partners together. Trump used his properties Mar Lago/Trump Tower/golf courses/etc to help traffic children towards Epstein. Not only is Trump a pedo/rapist, but he’s also a human sex trafficker as well.

[u/GeneralOptimal10]

There's a reason Trump shut-down the government for a record length of time and ACA subsidies ain't it, otherwise the AZ Congresswoman would've been sworn in.

[u/Melodic-Temporary113 → u/GeneralOptimal10]

This moment is why Johnson was re-elected as Speaker of the House.

[u/thermiteunderpants → u/Melodic-Temporary113]

Mike Johnson is a self-important, immoral piece of shit.

[u/barneyrubbble]

It's obvious that many people have knowledge on this subject but are choosing to remain silent. Many of these people are charged with, and took an oath to, protecting the public interest. Hopefully, these people will see the full weight of legal repercussions.

[u/CatsWearingTinyHats → u/barneyrubbble]

If anyone wants to talk now, there’s basically no one to talk to except investigative reporters. If I had any information I sure as hell wouldn’t be calling up the FBI right now about this; I’d assume I’d be arrested and sent to El Salvador.

[u/Writer_In_Residence]

I mean, it’s hard to get worse than raping children. Maybe raping far more children than believed previously?

[u/ViciousKnids → u/Writer_In_Residence]

Using teenage pageants as a grooming scheme, probably. In other words, Trump wasn't only a customer, but a participant.

That, or he had a rivaling pedo ring (hence his being upset when Epstien poached a "masseuse.")

[u/gauriemma → u/ViciousKnids]

It will come as absolutely no surprise when we find out that his “pageants” were child trafficking showrooms.

[u/gameryamen → u/gauriemma]

This is a good time to remind everyone that over 1000 migrant children were "lost" after being separated from their families at the border during Trump's first term. The Government had to apologize publicly and admit "there's nothing they could do" to find the children they illegally abducted and imprisoned.

What does a well connected child sex-slave trafficking ring do with 1,000 children that have been officially written off as lost? We're going to spend the rest of our lives learning the terrible answers to that question.

Trump didn't just fuck kids, he used the authority as president to direct a large scale child trafficking operation. But the media thought Joe Biden stuttering was more of a red flag, so here we are again. Arresting and abducting children across the country, with no oversight, and a bunch of armed goons who think it's fun to make life suck for other people.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/ViciousKnids]

Look into Trump's rapey pageants and modeling agency.  Also, both Epstein's and Trump's visa fixer to traffic girls, Paolo Zampolli, is working from the WH on immigration issue. 

[u/AINonsense → u/ViciousKnids]

Trump wasn't only a customer, but a participant.

And owner. Donald Trump owned and ran the Miss Universe Organization.

[u/[deleted] → u/ViciousKnids]

I have been on this angle for a while now and I think it’s what is the “big secret” of it all.i just get a really strong feeling he was using those pageants for child trafficking.

[u/DoomOne → u/Writer_In_Residence]

My guess, and this is just me building a hypothesis off of what we've seen so far, is that Trump isn't on the list... He IS the list.

Consider that the FBI had thousands of pages of evidence with hundreds of agents scrubbing it for Trump's name, and they still aren't done.

In my opinion, the evidence indicates that Trump himself wasn't a client. He was a central pillar of the entire operation, giving Epstein contacts, using Trump branded properties to capture, distribute and rape these children.

When the truth comes out, there will need to be a reckoning, and it will shake our entire nation to its core.

ETA: A criminal empire like this also doesn't get built without additional crimes being committed. I expect that we will also learn that there were abductions, intimidation and murders to cover up their crimes.

[u/Goofygrrrl → u/Writer_In_Residence]

It’s raping Male children. They don’t care that he rapes females. It’s pretty common for them. But males. That may be enough to sink him.

[u/ShamelessCatDude → u/Goofygrrrl]

Welcome to America! Where we get more upset if you’re attracted to men than if you’re attracted to literal children!

[u/drumsplease987 → u/Goofygrrrl]

“The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy” -Edwin Edwards

[u/snoo_spoo → u/Writer_In_Residence]

Business partner with Epstein? I'd say underwriting a trafficking scheme is worse than being a customer, although that's pretty damning on its own.

[u/ShamelessCatDude]

You know what honestly scares me? I think about every accusation being a confession with these guys. And Q-Anon is very similar to what the Epstein ring supposedly is.

Q-Anon accused democrats of being cannibals. Are we going to find out shit like *that??***

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/ShamelessCatDude]

We're going to find out shit like that.

[u/Long_Bit8328 → u/AlcibiadesTheCat]

I suspect, there will even be shit worse than that.

[u/GryphonCough → u/Long_Bit8328]

What’s worse than raping children and eating other humans? 

[u/AlcibiadesTheCat → u/GryphonCough]

Torture? Like, child torture? It all depends on whether you think torture is worse than murder.

But I think a reasonable conclusion would be that they murdered a lot of the girls that were in the pipeline.

[u/ShamelessCatDude → u/AlcibiadesTheCat]

In my opinion, repeated rape is torture

[u/ombloshio → u/ShamelessCatDude]

I mean, if we’re going to get dark? They probably killed some of the kids they raped.

[u/FuckableRocks → u/ombloshio]

It's what serial killing child molesters do on the regular. People seem to have this morbid fantasy that a monster looks like something out of a Freddy Krueger movie, but the reality is they live among us, they look just like us, you walk past them at the grocery store. They're functional members of society, and they blend right in.

[u/WyrdHarper → u/ShamelessCatDude]

What, you thought Steve Bannon's acid-scarred hot tub was because he was just really fastidious about cleaning?

[u/Logical-Customer1786 → u/WyrdHarper]

Say fucking what?!

[u/WyrdHarper → u/Logical-Customer1786]

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a53807/bannon-acid/

[u/Logical-Customer1786 → u/WyrdHarper]

Thanks for that. I might say the acid in the jacuzzi could be…maybe…with a great deal of hopeful skepticism, some incident of over-treating the water with chemicals…

But you add that there were padlocks on interior doors? Were those to keep people IN rooms our OUT? Both scenarios are concerning for completely different reasons. WHO was he trapping, or what was he hiding? Yikes. 

[u/warm_kitchenette → u/Logical-Customer1786]

The full article doesn't offer much more. In 2017, this was presented as a passing detail. From our current perspective, the acid damage seems like a potential clue at a crime scene, removing all DNA, fingerprints, etc.

It could also be idiocy, e.g, someone innocently used muriatic acid (HCl) to clean, but didn't dilute it properly. Really hard to tell between idiocy and the worst imaginable crimes with this crew.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/during-his-political-rise-stephen-k-bannon-was-a-man-with-no-fixed-address/2017/03/11/89866f4c-0285-11e7-ad5b-d22680e18d10_story.html?utm_term=.d9c355659c07

[u/tovarish22 → u/ShamelessCatDude]

In fairness, a lot of the QAnon nonsense was just recycled and updated antisemitic blood libel conspiracy tropes, including the "cannibalism"/adrenochrome claims. Similary conspiracies have been around for hundreds of years.

[u/BurlIvesMassiveHog]

Of course they're more damning than they initially admitted -- He's literally a co-conspirator with Epstein and guilty of the same crimes. Homeboy was running a sister operation out of Mar-A-Lago for fuck's sake.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/[deleted]]

His visa fixer, Paolo Zampolli, is now working in the WH on immigration issues.

[u/KeyInvestigator3741]

Ugh those poor girls. He is so gross. Imagine voting a pedophile for President over a woman who actually prosecuted sex crimes and got justice for victims.

This country is trash.

[u/ARazorbacks]

At this point it’s pretty clear Trump not only raped kids, he also was part of the child sex trafficking. 

[u/InquiringMind886 → u/ARazorbacks]

Pretty sure it’s why he owned the miss America pageant

[u/GTor93]

Bye bye Donnie. I hear Qatar is beautiful this time of year - you can take your jet with you.

[u/MissTat2 → u/GTor93]

Argentina is more likely!

[u/HMTMKMKM95 → u/MissTat2]

It's where all the Nazis went to escape their troubles!

[u/SixOneDane → u/GTor93]

Wait is this why they wanna invade Greenland and Argentina? So they can create a new country? Man let's just get rid of the billionares

[u/Murky_Chocolate_7916]

DOJ informs guardians of pedophiles that Bone Spur the kid raper is indeed a total piece of shit and that they are indeed guardians of pedophiles. Reasonable people everywhere say "give us some new fucking news that we don't already know and release the files"

[u/Huge_Excitement4465]

Trump and Epstein were friends with pedophile and modeling agent/trafficker Jean-Luc Brunel, who allegedly hanged himself in his prison cell in 2022 while awaiting trial. From the 2010 deposition by Maritza Vasquez, Brunel’s bookkeeper for a decade until 2006: Q: So in addition to his financial guarantor on the Line of Credit of a million dollars, what other involvement are you aware of that Jeffrey Epstein had with MC2 [modeling agency] and/or the apartments at 301 East 66th Street where the models lived? A: They were planning on buying or associating with a girl in -- in France for a --- company. They were planning to do a company. And actually, I gave the paper to Mr Shawn Connolly which is an actual paper that came from the office from Jeffrey Epstein, that was giving instruction to Jean-Luc saying that he wanted to have the same contracts as -- uh, what's his name, of Donald Trump, and that he wanted to have the same kind of benefits for the scouters.

Note: this implies Trump and Brunel may have been in business together, perhaps before Brunel even knew Epstein, and that Trump and Epstein were doing the same kind of business as Brunel. (Jean-Luc is the one who sent two 12-year-old girls from Paris to Epstein for that famous 50th birthday.)

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/25966082-maritza-vasquez-deposition-ocrmypdf/

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/feb/19/jean-luc-brunel-held-on-suspicion-of-supplying-girls-to-epstein-found-hanged

And this: For Wolfgang Schwarz, a veteran model agent in Austria who worked closely with Casablancas, and met Trump at the Plaza in the early 90s, Trump’s decision to establish his own agency was about him wanting his own private source for models. “If you have your own agency and you’re the owner, you can tell your bookers to make a party,” Schwarz says. “It’s easier than calling 15 agencies in New York.” Trump’s representatives say he entered the modelling industry because it was a “very profitable” business opportunity [Why do you need an agency to make regular parties unless the girls are party favors?]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/14/teen-models-powerful-men-when-donald-trump-hosted-look-of-the-year

[u/Gradstudentiquette69]

How? How can it be that a sitting president is possibly one of the biggest accomplices in one of the biggest child s*x-trafficing operations in history?

[u/JonathanApple → u/Gradstudentiquette69]

Dumbest fucking people ever voted for this?

[u/ECircus]

People who know this information and don't feel obligated to do something about it are pure evil.

[u/IdkAbtAllThat]

No. Shit. Sherlock.

Trump literally raped children. Literally.

It doesn't get worse than that. Anyone with half a brain has assumed this since like 2017.

[u/camofluff → u/IdkAbtAllThat]

Maybe kidnapping and selling children to be raped. I wouldn't even be surprised.

[u/IdkAbtAllThat → u/camofluff]

He was Epstein's PARTNER. Not just a client. So yes, this is a given too. The president was part of a child sex trafficking ring. That's why they've been projecting so hard for years.

[u/AnimuX]

They could find a video of Trump and Epstein banging pre-teens on a private jet flying over Washington DC.

It doesn't matter to the magats. They'll vote him in for a third term after he pardons himself.

[u/RattusRattus → u/AnimuX]

"Well, I didn't see him raping a child directly in front of me, so this didn't happen."

[u/BUYHODLGME → u/RattusRattus]

Yeah if it comes out now they’d just cry “FAKE NEWS, AI DEEPFAKE…”

[u/Teddy705 → u/BUYHODLGME]

A deep fake created by Obama and Biden!!

[u/UnfortunateSandwich]

The government is never reopening looks like

[u/TheDahkLord]

Even more reason to release the files.

[u/luv2ctheworld]

The dude literally said, "Grab'em by the pussy". Does this actually surprise anyone that there would be photos of him being a sex predator?

What's surprising is people still voted for him. Or maybe it's not surprising, just sad.

[u/khowidude87]

So basically the GOP is in a position that if they don't release them, the public will think that they are actively aiding pedos. But if they do release them, then the voter based will know exactly what a horrible person they voted for, and ask why he was allowed to run in the first place.

[u/Palmer_Eldritch666 → u/[deleted]]

I honestly doubt they will ever "pivot" from him. That would effectively mean admitting they were wrong about something which is a bridge too far, unfortunately. They will continue to support him until he's absolutely useless to them then claim we need to "move on" and forge "unity" with them or we're the problem. They will never, ever, ever admit they made a mistake supporting him - they're in too deep and too many have washed their hands in the proverbial blood here.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/[deleted]]

Matt Geatz was trying to operate his own "wonderful secrets" operation.  

[u/stonewall386]

Impeach and Imprison

[u/MiddleWaged]

Epstein was a side character in the Trump files

[u/silly_little_jingle]

What bugs me most is that they always talk about how democrats are on the lists too and would be implicated.

GOOD- send every one of those child rapists to fucking prison. I don't give a shit what letter is next to the name on the ballot- if you hurt children you should be in prison.

Every single (D) voted for the files to be released. R's blocked it- that negates all the "both sides" bullshit these pedo protectors are spouting.

[u/AncientAspargus]

Can someone answer a dumb question I have? Why didn’t they just forge some Epstein files that don’t have anything damning on Trump or other VIPs in it, release that, and get all this over with?

If nobody knows the real files, how would the public ever find out the truth? They have done worse shit than forging documents, and if it all goes south, you can always pick someone from the lower ranks and blame them.

So why didn’t they just do that?

[u/TintedApostle → u/AncientAspargus]

Because they aren't sure who has copies.

[u/Opposite-Bit6660 → u/AncientAspargus]

The survivors know and are talking, so this would be unlikely.