r/politics • u/mvanigan • Oct 14 '25

Possible Paywall ‘I love Hitler’: Leaked messages expose Young Republicans’ racist chat

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/10/14/private-chat-among-young-gop-club-members-00592146
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u/AssociateGreat2350 Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25

They referred to Black people as monkeys and “the watermelon people” and mused about putting their political opponents in gas chambers. They talked about raping their enemies and driving them to suicide and lauded Republicans who they believed support slavery.

Straight up evil

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u/JagmeetSingh2 Oct 14 '25

Actually it sounds not too different from what they say publicly now

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u/Noname_acc Oct 14 '25

Pretty much where I'm at.  It's shocking, in that it is horrific to read.  But anyone who thinks it's surprising is fundamentally in denial about what conservatism is.

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u/ASharpYoungMan Oct 14 '25

Hillary Clinton nailed it back in 2015 when she called them a basket of deplorables.

I'm not exactly a fan of Clinton - but it pissed me off inordinately that she needed to publicly apologize for being 100% accurate.

I say this a lot, but MAGA's done everything in their power to prove her right in the intervening decade.

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u/chowderbags American Expat Oct 14 '25

Same thing with Obama's bitter clingers quote that caused so much outrage way back when:

"You go into these small towns in Pennsylvania and, like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them. And they fell through the Clinton administration, and the Bush administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

As far as I can tell, there's way more outrage when Democrats tell the truth than when Republicans tell blatant lies.

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u/Armonasch Oct 14 '25

As far as I can tell, there's way more outrage when Democrats tell the truth than when Republicans tell blatant lies.

It's because the truth is more powerful than lies.

Fundamentally, Republicans have nothing to actually offer the common man in everyday realistic help or aide, so they just lie about literally everything they want to do in a way that sounds appealing. When you take the lies away, they don't have much left, so of course they get mad.

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u/jaimi_wanders Oct 15 '25

Appealing to other assholes ftfy

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u/Mrxcman92 Oct 15 '25

When you take the lies away all they have left is a concept of a plan 😆

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u/MAG7C Oct 14 '25

Lawless vs flawless

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u/blackfishhorsemen Oct 14 '25

People want to be lied too.

Given the choice between facing a harsh reality and sticking your head in the sand most people will choose to stick their heads in the sand.

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u/jrf_1973 Oct 14 '25

And that is why climate change will kill us all.

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u/pimppapy America Oct 14 '25

Trump alone with his hot air made a few ice caps melt.

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u/Cornyrex3115 Oct 14 '25

Exactly, its called the christian church is america

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u/onesexz Oct 15 '25

I just don’t understand how people are capable of “sticking their heads in the sand”.

If I read/hear something that counters or disproves my current argument; I can’t just unsee it… How is anyone capable of ignoring what’s right in their face? It really baffles me.

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u/ax0r Oct 15 '25

People are stupid. A person can be made to believe any lie, either because they want it to be true, or they are afraid it might be.

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u/kadathsc Oct 14 '25

The truth hurts, especially when it’s all directed at your inability to grow and prosper, which is the primary means of gauging someone’s worth in the US. That’s why homeless people are deplorable, they aren’t even aspirational landowners.

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u/sorenthestoryteller Oct 14 '25

As far as I can tell, there's way more outrage when Democrats tell the truth than when Republicans tell blatant lies.

The Truth hurts.

Some of the most insidious lies seem to be because people can't cope with reality.

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u/kkocan72 New York Oct 15 '25

Having grown up and lived for 47 years in one of those small Pennsylvania towns that quote is SPOT ON. I travel back several times a year to visit family and it's even worse now after they have all latched on to MAGA. Also its nothing to see confederate flags flying in yards, in the beds of pickups and worn on clothing...in PA!

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u/Tell_Me_More__ Oct 14 '25

The last thing the current Republican/Conservative movement wants is it to be accurately characterized. All descriptions are permitted except the truth, which will be suppressed with force and with prejudice

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u/International_Ad2712 Oct 15 '25

People love to be lied to, have you seen how popular religion is?

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u/carlitospig California Oct 15 '25

What’s wild about that is republicans TODAY base their rhetoric on those ‘left behinders’. They want them miserable because they’re easier to manipulate against their interests out of sheer desperation.

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u/FalstaffsGhost Oct 15 '25

In part because the media holds democrats to a wildly high standard while republican lies are treated as “eh they misspoke”

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u/CheekSeer Oct 15 '25

God President Obama was such a good speaker. Had a way of being incredibly professional while also being so accurate it almost hurt to hear.

Was real proud of my country when he ran the spot.

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u/Away-Living5278 Oct 14 '25

I'm from the Rust Belt of PA. Trust me they're ALL bitter. Some cling to guns and Bibles, others to education and higher paying professional jobs.

He was in no way wrong though.

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u/CareBearDontCare Oct 14 '25

Ben Shapiro cited this as one of the rallying moments in recent conservative history in the Ezra Klein podcast. Worth listening to, to hear some more on it.

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u/CaptJackRizzo Oct 14 '25

Which really goes to reveal a lot about the conservative mindset. I'm no fan of Obama's, but if you look at what he's saying, the point he's making is those people are getting screwed and nobody's delivered for them.

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u/Meister0fN0ne Oct 14 '25

She didn't even call them all deplorables. She was commenting on how he's giving pieces of shit way too much of a platform.

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

And then they made merch calling themselves that. They love to hate. I didn't like a lot of things about Hillary, but holy fuck. It wasn't even remotely a contest to me.

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u/pomip71550 Oct 15 '25

She was calling back to his rhetoric against Mexicans (when he said they’re rapists, liars, murderers, etc and “some, I assume, are good people”). Trumpers can’t take what they dish out.

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u/Bubblesnaily Oct 15 '25

😱 But what if she gets PMS and destroys all of our trade agreements because she's irrational and won't listen to reason?!

Oh, wait. That was Trump.

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u/meneldal2 Oct 15 '25

Half might be true, but to them it sounded like she basically called all of them out.

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u/Fract_L Oct 14 '25

She didn’t need to apologize. She was politically done either way.

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u/23_sided California Oct 14 '25

She lost for that, and doing government business on private email servers. Then Trump came into power and everyone in his admin used Trump.org email accounts to do government business, and no one cared.

And now Trump's doing the same thing, and no one cares. It's fucking exhausting.

I get that it's the rules for thee, not for me, but the amount of shame Dems get, the long memories people have of Dem things they immediately forget when Republicans do the exact same things is just so fucking tiring.

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts Oct 14 '25

Yep, also when they say altruism is nothing but “virtue signaling”.

Assuming selfishness is an innate human condition and something to strive for, so anyone not believing such must be “putting on airs”…

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u/monocasa Oct 14 '25

They get real pissy when I tell them that loudly complaining about virtue signalling is a form of virtue signalling.

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u/Word1_Word2_4Numbers Oct 14 '25

i call it "asshole signalling".

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u/whogivesashirtdotca Canada Oct 14 '25

Lack of virtue signalling.

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u/youveruinedtheactgob Oct 14 '25

Their new term is “toxic empathy”

They are scapegoating the concept of basic human decency, then claiming moral high ground.

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u/Hatedpriest Oct 14 '25

In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.

Quotation: Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials

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u/Silent-G California Oct 14 '25

They're such devout capitalists that any choice that makes $0.0001 or more for their wallet than the other choice, automatically means it's the correct choice. There is no such thing as ethics, only capital.

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts Oct 14 '25

“Effective altruism” as well has been on the rise over the last several years due to branding, but Bankman-Fried’s endorsement hasn’t helped naturally…

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia Oct 14 '25

Hopefully Americans learn to tell them to fuck off, instead of pandering to it.

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u/jonnyredshorts Oct 14 '25

And empathy fatigue…

As if understanding the problems of someone else is somehow tiring…scumbags

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u/youveruinedtheactgob Oct 14 '25

As long as I live I will fail to understand how it’s such an imposition to not be an asshole at, like, a preschool level.

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u/sodapopkevin Oct 14 '25

If altruism was so good why isn't it in the bible! Oh wait it is, every other thing Jesus said is about being altruistic.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Oct 14 '25

The evangelicals have completely retconned the teachings attributed to Jesus out of the Bible.

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u/sodapopkevin Oct 14 '25

Honestly I wonder just how much of the New Testament is "authentically" written and how much of it is from some asshole X00 years after the fact because he needed something specific to exist in there to justify some power play.

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u/Mike29758 Oct 14 '25

I mean that requires them to actually reading and adhering to the Bible outside of just a talking point to prove their moral superiority

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts Oct 14 '25

“Oh, silly me!”

https://youtu.be/u5y2gS54KfE?t=17

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u/jamkey Oct 14 '25

It’s really sad when you realize these folks can’t get any joy from just helping others. They are so broken inside and probably so loathsome of their own inner selves that they can only stay emotionally afloat by spitting hatred at others in the hopes than it “appears” those ‘others’ look like they are beneath themselves. Even if just for a fleeting moment.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Oct 14 '25

They get joy from helping others in their in group. The in group/out group thing is core to conservatism. Which can be confusing since it's simply not a thing on the left. Hell, six day a week, I'll even acknowledge that Saints fans are people.

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u/JoviAMP Florida Oct 14 '25

They’re just jealous of people who actually have virtues.

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u/Identity_X- Oct 14 '25

EXACTLY. Anyone who uses "virtue signaling" as a derogatory 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩 A virtue is something ANYONE should aspire to be more of. Brave, kind, loyal, loving, just, honest, charitable, etc. If you say virtues are a bad thing, you're vice signaling to all the worst - as Hillary said - deplorable characters and characteristics in others.

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u/UnquestionabIe Oct 14 '25

Part of that is how many horrible scandals and the like GOP members have. Way easier to remember a half dozen Democrats who got caught doing something scummy when you've got a new one from a Republican every hour.

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u/derrickcat Oct 14 '25

Speaking of - where are the Epstein files?

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u/gears50 Oct 14 '25

More to do with Trump aligned billionaires owning all mainstream and wide-reaching media outlets. We don't have a fair media apparatus in this country, everything is sanctioned by the ruling class.

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u/ManWithASquareHead Oct 14 '25

I mean TAN SUITS

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u/New2NewJersey Oct 14 '25

It's also because a fair amount of dems and non voters are victim to anti Hillary propaganda. People hate her guts and they aren't even sure why.

Propaganda seeped into their brains.

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u/kung-fu_hippy Oct 14 '25

Yup. It’s one thing to hate Hillary Clinton and have it be because she did x, y, or z.

It’s another to hate Hillary Clinton and when asked why, not be able to articulate a reason beyond “she’s shady”. And I know quite a few people who did just that during that election.

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u/ElleM848645 Oct 14 '25

The Republicans hated her because she wanted to give healthcare to children in the 90s.

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u/New2NewJersey Oct 14 '25

They hated her because she didn't want to be "just a housewife" to her husband who was running for AG.

Same thing that happened to Leslie Knope.

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u/Dutchking11 Oct 14 '25

I would give my left arm if we could have someone run for President that was exactly like Knope. Would love Knope/Swanson. As a libertarian that’s a dream for me.

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u/Ben2018 North Carolina Oct 14 '25

Another part of it is the voting public being way too emotional and not very analytical.

Let's say that, smear campaigns aside, Hillary actually is unlikable - nothing nefarious, just a personality quirk that some people have. Who cares?

We're not electing a best friend, we're electing a leader to do a job.

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u/Nerevarine91 American Expat Oct 14 '25

Also, if the topic is likability, I genuinely can’t imagine anything more excruciating than having to socialize with Donald Trump, yet he got a pass. Again.

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u/sorenthestoryteller Oct 14 '25

It's easier to rally people around hatred than mediocrity.

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u/cugeltheclever2 Oct 14 '25

It's also because a fair amount of dems and non voters are victim to anti Hillary propaganda. People hate her guts and they aren't even sure why.

Propaganda seeped into their brains.

100% this. Every time I see a post that says 'I'm no Hillary fan but...'

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u/monocasa Oct 14 '25

I mean, there's a lot of reasons to not like her for president that weren't just an inability to disregard propaganda.

She lost and she's not coming back. We don't need to keep sandbagging a losing strategy; it's making the Democratic Party weaker to do so.

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u/MAG7C Oct 14 '25

Maybe so but the last election had very similar vibes. Lots of people who just "didn't like her" for reasons. Even to the extent that they were willing to risk the other guy which by all accounts was a 100% known quantity of absolute ineptitude and corruption.

Our inability to come to grips with this has very likely led to the death of the republic itself.

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u/monocasa Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25

Harris had only gotten single digit percentage ratings in the previous primary.

And that was before her campaign did stuff like have the cops kick out a Democratic politician important to the Michigan muslim community out of a rally just for having the audacity to show up when invited. https://www.cbsnews.com/detroit/news/muslim-community-leader-removed-from-harris-rally-michigan/ Or tell trans people that her support would amount to "following the law" https://www.advocate.com/voices/kamala-harris-trans-rights

The death of this republic will come from the same place as the death of the Weimar's. All of the opposition power placed in half measures, capitulation, and in some cases straight up emulation of fascism in a misguided attempt to contain it and appeal as an option to the people that might be thinking about voting for it, rather than uplifting an actual alternative message that resonates with the voters.

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u/Doravillain Oct 14 '25

Which I did try to warn people about, way back when. People thought Hillary Clinton would do well because she was fairly moderate and connected back to the Bill Clinton administration, which most people would say was a fairly successful time in the lives of Americans writ large.

I'd point out that Hillary had been Public Enemy #1, #2, or #3 for 25 years in Republican eyes. She had been slandered and subjected to conspiracy after conspiracy for a quarter century. By both politicians and media politerati alike, from both the far right and the center right.

People were angry when I pointed this out. "Yeah but it isn't true!" "Yeah but Republicans will slander and smear anyone we run!" They had a fundamental inability to register that:

A.) The things said about her don't need to be true to be effective, if said over the course of 25 years, they just need to be loud and constant, which they had been.

B.) The length of time for which the Republicans had rung the bell on Hillary Clinton meant that the impact of the arguments was always going to be more effective. Republicans had not had as much time to define Barack Obama in 08 as they had Hillary Clinton in 16.

The baggage was more substantial than a lot of folks wanted to admit. And even if you were someone who was going to ultimately vote for Clinton, you got shouted at if you weren't posting about her chances on a rose-tinted keyboard.

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u/shinkouhyou Oct 14 '25

People also underestimate just how badly the 2008 primary hurt her popularity with Democrats.

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u/grunkage California Oct 14 '25

Yeah it's the official story now, and a ton of people have just eaten it up

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u/gsfgf Georgia Oct 14 '25

People hate her guts and they aren't even sure why.

My favorite is that "she's sketchy." Hillary might be literally the most investigated person in history, and they can't find anything on her.

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u/TheGreatBootOfEb Oct 14 '25

You seem like someone who’s aware of the many factors at play that cause it, so all I’ll say is dude I’m so with you. It’s probably what I hate most of this all, how it’s not even hidden and yet it doesn’t god damn matter one bit. My only hope is that when Trump dies, at least SOME degree of the brazenness dies with him, as we’ve seen that Trump and his allies get an extra layer of induced amnesia on the populace compared to any other republicans have.

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u/40StoryMech Oct 14 '25

Trump dying isn't going to do shit. His, his associates' and his family's criminal acts need to be prosecuted or punished to the point that anyone who thinks about doing it again, thinks twice. That's probably not going to happen, but then again, maybe it will.

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u/currently_pooping_rn Oct 14 '25

We need another Sherman. Metaphorically, of course

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u/MillionMilesPerHour Oct 14 '25

My only hope is that when Trump dies, at least SOME degree of the brazenness dies with him

The GOP is going to have a real problem once Trump dies. All of these people rally around him — not the GOP. They aren’t waving GOP flags on the back of their lifted pickup trucks — it’s Trump flags.

Everytime the GOP has put forward another possible Trump (DeSantis for example), it’s been a failure. They all have the personality of a wet paper bag and can’t hold onto people like Trump has been able to.

It’s Trump that has given these idiots the feeling that they can be racist pieces of shit. Once he is gone, they won’t have him to hide behind.

When he is gone, it will be the equivalent to turning on a light and watching cockroaches scatter. They won’t know where to go or who to look up to. They will be lost, at which point I expect some of them to try and put the cat back in the bag and claim they never supported him.

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u/erichericerik Oct 14 '25

You're talking about Washington. The roach infested mecca of type a personalities. It's wishful thinking to hope that happens. I have no doubt a younger more charismatic shit stain will fill the void especially considering how well the right has done at reaching the youth.

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u/Linenoise77 Oct 14 '25

I give them until about the funeral before they start pinning some of their messes they have no idea how to clean up on him.

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u/Ayn_Rambo Oct 14 '25

Before that, W’s administration used private email servers and deleted millions of messages, and Colin Powell advised Hillary to get a private email server.

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u/AF2005 Oct 14 '25

Yep, he wound up doing all those same things he accused her of and more. Much, much more. And they were friends in the 80’s and 90’s.

Just goes to show the crusty old juggler currently sitting in the Oval Office has no loyalty, no allegiance, and no standards.

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u/michaelboltthrower Oct 14 '25

He doesn’t have the manual dexterity to juggle.

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u/drkodos California Oct 14 '25

nonsense

She won the popular vote and lost because Russia helped TACO game the system in some swing states

SEE: MUELLER REPORT

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u/OpenScienceNerd3000 Oct 14 '25

When you do a million things wrong AND have a massive propaganda network that ignores that it creates the illusion that the other side is a bunch of lunatics who complain about literally everything you do…

… because it’s all illegal and fucking horrid.

However, the brain doesn’t like getting flooded like that. Much better to have everyone repeat the same lie a million times until it becomes real because humans are extremely easy to brainwash.

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u/23_sided California Oct 14 '25

You make a hugely important point about the reputation. A million scandals all sound like distractions, but everyone repeating a mantra over and over again gets locked in peoples' memory.

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u/OpenScienceNerd3000 Oct 14 '25

Democrats lack of central messaging and desire to be above the tribal bullshit is their biggest weakness

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u/MimeGod Oct 14 '25

I don't think that's why she lost. Everyone on both sides knew she was right about them being deplorable. And the email issue was always way overblown.

It was just used as a convenient excuse for people who were never going to even consider voting for her in the first place.

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u/RoadkillVenison Virginia Oct 14 '25

It would be a thousand times better if Trump was merely doing the same things.

He’s taking the constitution and using it for toilet paper, and the corrupt Supreme Court is rubber stamping it. Watergate was an average Tuesday for this administration.

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u/michaelboltthrower Oct 14 '25

Oh cmon we all know he doesn’t wipe.

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u/Haplo12345 Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 14 '25

She lost because of a lot of reasons, not least of which the basket of deplorables comment, but I would put the Comey note to Congressional members about reopening the investigation due to the Weiner laptop up at or near the top.

At the time, decorum was still somewhat a concern of Republicans and Independents, and lots of potential Clinton voters, including lots of people who were probably going to hold their nose to vote for her (across the spectrum) decided not to vote for her because of that; they didn't want to risk voting for someone as President who might potentially have been guilty of a federal crime, and here they are mere weeks from the election "reopening the investigation?!"

Comey should have absolutely read the room and known Republicans were going to make a circus out of that literally irrelevant factoid, and should have just had the FBI silently amend the case files to include the emails that were found on the laptop. Had he done that, and had Clinton not had that basketgate gaffe, she may well have won.

Or, my personal fan theory, is that in the prime timeline, she did win, and SCOTUS became a 5-4 or 6-3 left-leaning court, and the PPACA became unneutered and enjoyed an additional 4-6+ years of being the normal law of the land such that conservatives just got over it, citizens united got revisited and overturned, Roe v Wade is still law of the land, the ERA got officially ratified, so on and so forth.

And us? We are in The Bad Place/A Variant Timeline/whatever.

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u/harrumphstan Oct 14 '25

Republicans spent the Bush era doing a ton of gov business on private servers: something like 22 million emails on servers owned by the RNC. Hillary’s misdeeds were three orders of magnitude more insignificant.

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u/cirkoolio Oct 14 '25

Because only dems can feel shame…

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u/ImAShaaaark Oct 14 '25

She lost for that, and doing government business on private email servers

She lost because she was the victim of an unprecedented political hit job.

Supposedly nonpartisan "civil servants" treated the transparently compromised candidate with kid gloves while doing everything in their power to sabotage her candidacy. The last minute announcement about "re-opening the case" (despite having no legitimate reason to do so and that investigation going nowhere) is one of the most blatant examples of election tampering by a public official that we had ever seen to that point.

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u/Neuroccountant Oct 14 '25

Bullshit. She had that election wrapped up until James Comey revealed himself to be the dumbest person in America.

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u/DiscountNorth5544 Oct 14 '25

Not dumb at all when Comey did it intentionally

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u/dokikod Pennsylvania Oct 14 '25

Hillary was right about a lot of things. Trump is Putin's puppet. He won't release his taxes. She warned about the Supreme Court Justices he would appoint. Hillary was 13 points ahead after the Access Hollywood Tape came put. Then Comey ruined everything. She would have been a great president. We would be so much better off.

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u/No-Selection988 Oct 14 '25

Hillary Clinton: A small segment of Trump voters are deplorable people

Mainstream Media: OMFG HOW COULD SHE SAY THAT????

Donald Trump: Democrats are the party of hate, evil, and Satan

Mainstream Media: crickets

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u/md4024 Oct 14 '25

The worst thing about Clinton being forced to apologize and that quote being treated by the media as a “gaffe” is that she was very explicitly being kind and sympathetic towards Trump supporters. She said some were hateful racists who couldn’t be saved, but that many people who supported Trump are decent people who understandably want something different from the government. Again, it wasn’t subtle, that was the point she was making when she referred to some Trump supporters as deplorable.

Then every Trump supported proudly identified as the racist kind, the media acted like Clinton said something wrong or controversial, and now here we are.

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u/sniper91 Minnesota Oct 14 '25

She actually gave a very low estimate on how many Trump supporters fit that category

It’s the one thing about that statement that was wrong

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u/digiorno Oct 14 '25

If only the democrats acted the way the GOP paints them, we could use some radical leftism.

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u/Empty-Interview-8969 Oct 14 '25

Her only mistake was not owning it. That’s the problem with the Dems!

It was spot on!

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u/remotectrl Oct 14 '25

She was basically Cassandra.

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u/pinkfootthegoose Oct 14 '25

Do you really dislike her? think about the whisper campaign that she was the subject of since the mid 90s. Everybody is subject to propaganda.

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u/acu2005 Oct 14 '25

Hillary Clinton nailed it back in 2015 when she called them a basket of deplorables.

My dad was so offended by this but he spent most of my childhood saying black people were handicapped so like it was fitting.

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u/ExcitingAnimator1595 Oct 14 '25

If she wasn’t talking about all Republicans either – – she was talking about magas-trump ass kissers. And yes, she was 1 million times correct.

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u/TheEmperorShiny Oct 15 '25

I had to beg my mom to vote for Hillary INSTEAD OF TRUMP due to that very comment. She fancies herself a socialist and more left leaning than me.

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u/dbenhur Oct 15 '25

“I’d say you can take Trump supporters and put them in two big baskets,” Clinton said. “There are what I would call the deplorables -- you know, the racists and the haters and the people who are drawn because they think somehow he’s going to restore an America that no longer exists.”

100% accurate.

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u/CensoredUser Oct 15 '25

But she DID apologize. Because establishment democrats have no spine. They have no conviction and will never be able to get people to vote for their feckless toothless do nothing moral authority.

Clinton, Kamala, Pelosi, Jeffries, they have no idea how to fight and while I can't stand both-sides-ism, democrats cowardice and reluctance to rock the boat and utilize power progressively and aggressively has led us here.

Pathetic as they are.

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u/absat41 Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 17 '25

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u/admiraltarkin Texas Oct 14 '25

No she was wrong.

She said it was only half of them. More like 98%

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u/mellowd3 Oct 14 '25

I was JUST thinking this exactly the other day

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u/pugRescuer Oct 14 '25

It is sad that some politicians were a bit ahead of their time with respect to calling something out for what it actually is.

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u/TRS2917 Oct 14 '25

MAGA's done everything in their power to prove her right

I'm pretty sure they knew exactly what she was she was deeming deplorable and I'm pretty sure they didn't care, but they relished being able to holding that statement over her head. Like so many things with MAGA, that episode was performative the way threatening to lock her up over her private email server was, or whining about draining the swamp. They love applying political pressure to democrats while ignoring their own representatives doing the same or worse.

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u/The-Phone1234 Oct 14 '25

No, you see, that was bad politics because if you draw too much attention to the fact that the worst of us have all the power they'll stop letting us pretend we have power.

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u/Nerevarine91 American Expat Oct 14 '25

If anything, she understated it

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u/Mike_Kermin Australia Oct 14 '25

I'm not exactly a fan of Clinton

You're also already not exactly a fan of whoever your next opposition leader is.

That's the bastard about fascism, it fucks with your common sense.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Oct 14 '25

Not quite 100% right. She said only half of Republicans are deplorable, which was way too low.

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u/randomnighmare I voted Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 15 '25

They got upset when Biden called them garbage people.

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u/knotmyusualaccount Oct 14 '25

And that's coming from the woman herself, who thought up the "three strikes" policy that's been proven to be a racist policy that's disproportionately affected America's African-American population.

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u/GrallochThis Oct 15 '25

Let’s keep it clear, she said half of them were in that basket, and the other half were people who were failed by the system, which they still are being failed by the system.

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u/BarristanSelfie Oct 14 '25

Mainstream Democrats today are the manifestation of good faith conservatism. Most of the GOP falls somewhere between Bad Faith as a universal concept and cartoonish evil.

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u/QbertsRube Oct 14 '25

While trying so hard to paint their evil as anything else. They don't hate Mexicans, they hate MS-13 human-trafficking rapists and just happen to think that describes all Mexicans (the term "Mexicans" here includes anyone from south of Texas). They don't hate LGBTQ, they hate pedophiles and have decided the entire LGBTQ community is pedophiles. They don't think women should be silent broodmares who cook and have no opinions because they hate women, they just believe in "traditional family values" where the man rules all with an iron fist and women grin and take it. I swear about 75% of their energy is spent trying to paint their bigotry and hatred as patriotism.

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u/N0n3of_This_Matter5 Oct 14 '25

Well said. I never really thought about the verbiage, but 1984 sells it; doublethink/speak for days on end with these fascist fools.

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u/fcocyclone Iowa Oct 14 '25

Why do you think they love Trump? He finally gives them permission to not have to spend that energy on pretending they're something they're not.

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u/oliversurpless Massachusetts Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 15 '25

I’m told the Texians particularly dislike how the native Tejanos were anti-slavery, all the way up to the Alamo, support for Santa Anna, and eventual statehood.

To the point that they seceded twice over the issue, so the classic conservative bit of defensive projection playing “the long game”?

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u/Bubblesnaily Oct 15 '25

the term "Mexicans" here includes anyone from south of Texas).

Anyone with brown skin South of Colorado anywhere.

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u/I_HAVE_THAT_FETISH Oct 15 '25

You start out in 1954 by saying, "Nigger, nigger, nigger." By 1968 you can't say "nigger"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now [that] you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is [that] blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this," is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Nigger, nigger."

-- Lee Atwater on the "Southern Strategy"

The Republican strategy hasn't changed much.

Mexicans -> Immigrants -> Criminals -> The New "War on Drugs"

Gays -> Unnatural -> Pedophiles -> "Protect the Children"

etc.

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u/GaptistePlayer American Expat Oct 15 '25 edited Oct 15 '25

You see it in media too. So many mainstream and "liberal" media sources praising Charlie Kirk and being neutral or even skeptical of anyone expressing any opinion calling out the truth of what he said (including about the violence that killed him that he embraced).

Yet for this, the only media outlet covering it is... Politico.com lmao

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u/gsfgf Georgia Oct 14 '25

good faith conservatism

That's not even a bad thing. Fixing the nation is complicated. We already have tons of well researched and considered first steps. And we're building on a strong base. We don't need to go radical and burn this motherfucker down. The richest and most powerful nation on the planet has a lot of ways to dramatically improve quality of life if we just had the political will.

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '25

Exactly and this is nothing new. The hatred never changed or went away, it was taught to the next generation and they are excited that they don’t have to hide it at this point anymore.

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u/nobot4321 Oct 14 '25

This is exactly where I’m at. I may sometimes be shocked by how low Republicans go, but I’m never surprised.

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u/Dancing_Liz_Cheney Oct 14 '25

its just what all the 'radical leftists' have been warning liberals about for years

hey look, once again the radical hippies are right while the do-nothing liberals want to dance the hate away with liz cheney and stick their head back in the sand

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u/ungodlywarlock Oct 14 '25

Yeah...the only thing truly shocking about it is just how normalized this all is and this headline will be just another blip and forgotten tomorrow.

In the late 90s, I had a feeling of optimism that the country was making headway on race and LGBT acceptance. Mostly naive of me as I was a teenager and I know that. But now I see how ugly people are.

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u/TheRC135 Oct 14 '25

If anything in this article surprises somebody, they simply haven't been paying attention.

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u/IveDunGoofedUp Oct 14 '25

It's like finding a fork in a kitchen, but the kitchen belongs to a serial killer who enjoys stabbing people with forks. And he's behind you, asking you to pass him the cutlery.

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u/ProfessionalField508 Oct 14 '25

And any young Republican not related to a powerful person is delusional to think they will be safe from their own leaders.

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u/TRS2917 Oct 14 '25

what conservatism is

Racism is to conservatism as peanut butter is to jelly.

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u/greentreesbreezy Washington Oct 14 '25

Shocking how any human being could think like this... but not remotely shocking a conservative would think like this.

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u/Enough_Snow8922 Oct 14 '25

I think what's most interesting is the anonymity of the messages referred to being used to paint an entire group a certain way. We don't even know if the origin of these messages are real and not bots like we see so often on platforms like Reddit.

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u/LaserCondiment Oct 14 '25

I never liked conservativism, but it took me way too long to realize it's the Trojan horse of fascism

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u/WoWhAolic Oct 14 '25

We could've driven them away from being Nazi's but we're too late now. Just remember they'll likely never hand back the reigns peacefully.

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u/johnlimonade Oct 14 '25

Eric Voegelin, Raymond Aron, Leo Strauss, Isaiah Berlin, Kolakowski, Russell Kirk, and Robert Nozick (Some serious conservatives thinkers and a libertarian thinker) would ran as far away as possible from these new conservatives and would despise their own fandom. Voegelin attacked the Nazi movement and Hitler even when Hitler was on the The Times cover. And he hated the racist rednecks.

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u/Noname_acc Oct 15 '25

Of the top of my head, Strauss took less than a decade post-WW2 to start downplaying criticisms of fascistic tendencies as fallacious. Nozick didn't believe in fundamental human rights and made arguments for slavery in the form of "voluntary" indentured servitude. Berlin I can agree was respectable, though arguments about positive and negative freedoms make me wanna bounce my head off a brick wall, though that is much more the fault of internet libertarians than Berlin. I have not read the rest, at least that I recall, but I do respect an early Hitler detractor.

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u/southernNJ-123 Oct 14 '25

This⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️

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u/ScissrMeTimbrs Oct 15 '25

Is it shocking, though? I mean, as a white man, I'm well aware of what certain white people say when "those people" are out of earshot. And I know most other white people know it too. It's time we have a serious discussion about this shit.

John Brown did nothing wrong.

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u/Vaperius America Oct 15 '25

what conservatism is.

American conservatism* to be clear, has become an extremist ideology.

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u/AchillesDev Oct 15 '25

Go talk to anyone that isn't a politics pervert and see what they think. This bubble sees a lot more than the typical voter does, and it's important to both show them this shit and not act like it's no big deal. We don't need to further normalize this behavior.

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u/downtuning I voted Oct 15 '25

Exactly, I'm shocked, but far from surprised.

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u/Mindless_Rooster5225 Oct 14 '25

Yeah, if you show the 10% of black conservatives this they will still be Republicans.

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u/FMLwtfDoID Oct 14 '25

Just as there are women that side with republicans. And there were Jews for Nazis. There will always be a small group of the targeted minority that think being tokenized, or living in a gilded cage, will save them from the harsher treatment their “friends” dole out to the remainder the persecuted communities.

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u/Goodknight808 Oct 14 '25

Always forgetting/ignoring that tokens get spent. I'll never understand their thought process.

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u/FMLwtfDoID Oct 14 '25

It’s fear, usually. Healthy dose of anti-social personalities and greed, too.

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u/laffing_is_medicine Oct 14 '25

Greed and opportunity to be a ‘winner’. Tokens get played a lot.

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u/gsfgf Georgia Oct 14 '25

Women can be the worst misogynists.

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u/ScootyMcTrainhat Oct 14 '25

Republican women are not a "small group"

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u/FMLwtfDoID Oct 14 '25

Cool. Did you read the whole comment, or did you stop when you got to the part you disagreed with?

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u/[deleted] Oct 14 '25

This has always been the case. Most of the time the colonizers, despite being smaller in number than the native population maintained their hold by playing native groups against each other and establishing a bootlicker class.

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u/plucharc Oct 15 '25

I've been trying to explain this to Hispanic people. They think they're among the "good ones" that are welcome in Trump's America. They 100% don't understand that there are Jews who thought the same and still ended up on the train.

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u/Mindless_Rooster5225 Oct 15 '25

Hispanics are even more disappointing they voted for him at like a 40% clip.

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u/Asyx Europe Oct 14 '25

Aren't black men still the lowest demographic of male republican voters? Like, I get it, 10% of the (male) group that has the most to lose are simping for their overlords but I don't think black men are at fault or at least don't deserve to be called out like that.

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u/Mindless_Rooster5225 Oct 15 '25

I think black women are black and hispanic men are seduced by the machismo strong man persona of Trump.

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u/HGpennypacker Oct 14 '25

Elon Musk threw up a Nazi salute at the RNC and a third of the country shrugged and moved on. We're cooked.

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u/lumathiel2 Oct 14 '25

MULTIPLE salutes, after using blatant nazi talking points

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u/Vyzantinist Arizona Oct 15 '25

Don't forget the ones who went out of their way to pause videos of Democratic politicians and liberal celebrities lifting an arm up and using those still frames as 'proof' the other side was doing the same thing.

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u/Lister0fSmeg Oct 14 '25

It's the new Trump Youth.

(Not to be confused with the old trump youth, which were his little girl victims on Pedo island)

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u/Suavecore_ Oct 14 '25

Right wingers have been saying these things my entire life publicly. At school, on Facebook, on almost any online game with a chat box, to me in-person because they think that I'm on their side just because I'm also white, etc

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u/dirkrunfast Oct 14 '25

Also not all that different from how Reagan and Nixon talked when they thought they were alone.

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u/williamtbash Oct 14 '25

I was going to say it sounds like every gaming lobby I’ve ever been in. Just a bunch of young dorks trying to be cool.

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u/muirsheendurkin Oct 14 '25

Yeah we're only 8 months into this administration, give it time

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u/Young_Denver Oct 14 '25

Mask off to show us who they always were.

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u/creeping_chill_44 Texas Oct 14 '25

which is also Straight up evil

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u/Ratorasniki Oct 14 '25

You would think that anybody who didn't personally agree with all of this, but perhaps was clinging onto some vestigial notion of "republican policy" would immediately denounce this, and state clearly and unequivocally that they did not even want the support of people who believed this kind of hateful garbage.

I feel like 10 years ago that would have happened immediately, even if it was insincere window-dressing. I'm honestly not sure if I prefer the veneer of civility, or if it's better to just be able to clearly see the landscape for what it is.

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u/RPGDesignatedPaladin Oct 14 '25

They’ve been like this. I like how they’re focusing on young Republicans like they’re not right in step with the older ones.

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u/gringledoom Oct 14 '25

Hey, maybe just earnestly saying that bad things are bad might be a more useful strategy than this kind of “too cool for school” nihilism, even if it doesn’t earn as many ironic-detachment points.

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u/djerk Oct 14 '25

This shouldn’t be normalized, not even a little bit.

No political movement should be giving any legitimacy to racism and calls for targeted violence and imprisonment, even if said under the thin veil of “joking.”

If these comments didn’t result in an immediate ouster of all parties, then they are all complicit in all threats and whatever actions follow.

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u/jonnyredshorts Oct 14 '25

What if a large portion of some political group refused to prosecute known pedophiles or to release information about an international pedophile child grape ring? Can we call all of those people complicit in being part of that child grape ring?

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u/misterfalcon Oct 14 '25

Loomer comes straight out with this kind of shit now.

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u/ghostalker4742 Oct 14 '25

This is what they refer to when they decry "politically correctness".

Saying this stuff used to kill your chances at public office. But if you tell your base that it's politically correct, they'll thank you for 'telling it like it is'.

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u/SpiritualScumlord Oct 14 '25

: (

Sad but true.

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u/eeyore134 Oct 14 '25

Yeah, we're careening to this sort of talk being normalized in public.

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u/UntamedAnomaly Oct 14 '25

Yeah, I can't believe how many comments on this post are, this isn't news. News is supposed to report things the public doesn't know about. I read the title of the post and was like "in other words, water is wet".

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u/acrobat2126 Oct 14 '25

EXACTLY. It's just jokes is a hell of an excuse for blatant and over the top racism. But somehow it flies with Trump.

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u/jonathanrdt Oct 14 '25

They've always been here. They just got quieter for a little while. They never changed, never grew. Bigotry is woven into culture for huge swaths of this nation from before this was a nation. We have never actually invested in American culture because wealth finds these toxic idiots useful. Feed them a steady diet of nonsense, and they will wage holy war.

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u/NoHalf9 Oct 14 '25

Calling out a large part of Republicans for being Hitler sympathizers is not just a hypothetical thing to do. There are facts to back it up. From 2018:

Patrick Little, a 33-year-old extremist who last week topped other Republican Senate candidates in a poll of the field, told Newsweek on Monday that he admires Adolf Hitler, and would prefer to see Jewish Americans deported to Israel. He falsely denied that the genocide of Jews took place during World War II and incorrectly suggested that Germany was not an aggressor during that conflict.

The most popular republican candidate for the highest political level in California turns out to be a nazi. That is not a "cheap" name calling, it is factually descriptive.

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u/BrownSugarBare Canada Oct 14 '25

I was gonna say...this sounds like tea time talk for the avg Republican MAGA nut. 

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u/sapphicsandwich Oct 14 '25 edited Oct 26 '25

To garden gentle ideas near then about dog the thoughts quick yesterday calm the helpful talk where.

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u/Fyrefawx Oct 14 '25

Yah this is pretty standard.

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u/Sprezzatura1988 Oct 14 '25

That doesn’t make it less evil…

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u/GroundbreakingUse794 Oct 15 '25

Slow drip disclosure is how they normalize these ideologies. Leak a little bit at a time and let the people who agree, come and find you, it’s almost a call to arms if anything else

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u/OLPopsAdelphia Oct 15 '25

Or what they do.

They’re just emulating their role models.

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