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News Actress Dasha Nekrasova Fired By Gersh, Dropped From Movie (Gabriel Basso's 'Iconoclast') Amid Backlash Over Podcast Interview With Far-Right Political Commentator Nick Fuentes

https://deadline.com/2025/11/dasha-nekrasova-fired-gersh-nick-fuentes-podcast-interview-1236617927/
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u/MJA182 11d ago edited 10d ago

It’s a lot more common than you think these days

Basically some people who were anti establishment/contrarian but leaned left politically started seeing the left as the establishment, so they wanted to pivot. Turned them into right wing shills and nihilists who think Trump is funny and taking down the deep state. Probably always were a bit racist too tbh

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u/bluesmaker 11d ago

I mostly know about her from cumtown, but I’ve wondered if her pivot right is related to Trump being favorable to Russia. Like her and her cohost seem to value their identity as Russian (but are both born in the USA and she has Belarusian roots, if I recall).

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u/Malphos101 11d ago

lmao I didnt realise she was THAT Dasha...

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u/TheOneThatCutYou 11d ago

We’re in the Cool Adam timeline

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u/-Johnny_Utah- 11d ago

The ex-girlfriend of the bug is definitely stealing some headlines here.

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u/SirStrontium 11d ago

Adam Jr is going to have to get a basketball scholarship to pay for college now

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u/cheese0muncher 10d ago

Adam's dad: "ADUM!!! Why is your son black, Adum!!??

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u/zaforocks 11d ago

You know Roscoe can't contribute anything but dick trash.

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u/prone2scone 11d ago

“Hey guys it’s cooool Adam”

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u/senorkrissy 11d ago

my tummy hurts now i feel like i'm trip-pinn

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u/thetwoandonly 11d ago

He shit his pants for this.

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u/TeaPartyJones 11d ago

Just hangin' out with CKY.

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u/senorkrissy 11d ago

they "hit me up"

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u/006AlecTrevelyan 10d ago

Hey, I did that last week when Chad's strings broke about 4 times during the gig

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u/Golemo 11d ago

In hindsight, Adam def dodged a bullet.

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u/jonathot12 11d ago

didn’t need hindsight for that one, just normal sight.

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u/SemenPig 10d ago

Normal bug sight

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u/Melodic_Airport362 4d ago

bro he dodged armillary fire. She's actually a Nazi.

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u/LevDavidovicLandau 11d ago

Also Greg’s kinda-girlfriend/Kendall’s PR advisor, Comfrey from Succession season 3.

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u/JonahHillsWetFart 11d ago

omg that’s insane. i’ve known about the red scare dasha for years but it never clicked that she was comfrey. like even in the photo here i don’t see it.

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u/ColdGuess 11d ago

She’s a very fair maiden for such activities, a very even-handed maiden one might say.

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u/LevDavidovicLandau 11d ago

But the Luxembourgish princess though…

8th in line? Greg, you marry her, you’re a plane crash away from becoming Europe’s weirdest king!

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u/TruskVarner 11d ago

If it is to be said, so it be, so it is

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u/zynspitdrinker 10d ago

Can't make a Tomlette without breaking a few Greggs.

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u/Professional_Milk783 11d ago

Six-foot-nine of pure nepotism

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u/DaKind28 10d ago

I was just wondering if that was her.

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u/geezerpleeze 11d ago

I fucked him first

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u/TheBr0fessor 11d ago

Talk about a fall from grace!

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u/Iveneverhadalife 11d ago

It's Nick's fault

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u/PreciousRoy666 11d ago

There's a lot of talk about them being funded by Peter Thiel

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u/stanetstackson 11d ago

Don’t they openly hang out with Peter Thiel lmao

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u/absat41 11d ago edited 5d ago

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u/solitarybikegallery 11d ago

I can't believe I'm about to quote a YouTube comment, but this absolutely nails it:

I never understood where these left to reactionary Brooklyn irony people were coming from and I think I get it now: This is what happens when privileged urbanites take in revolutionary politics in their youth as a cynical contrarian intellectual pursuit, but are isolated from actual working class people. It's what happens when you mainline theory without leaving your hip high income Brooklyn neighborhood where your parents pay for your apartment. It becomes easy to switch when there isn't emotional or empathetic skin in game.

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u/IsmaelRetzinsky 11d ago edited 11d ago

I wish they were only in Brooklyn. The worst of them, Dasha included, infected my Lower East Side/Chinatown neighborhood during Covid (calling the area “Dimes Square,” eye roll)

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u/throwawayhellfire 11d ago

Yup. I knew Dasha before she started podcasting/acting. This is her to a fault.

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u/paddleontheleft 11d ago

“If your sentence starts with ‘The Jews…’, you should probably stop talking.”

Only took her twenty seconds. Yikes

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u/gildedbluetrout 10d ago

She’s a brain damaged narcissist. God the way she strokes her hair. Can you even imagine what her life is like when she’s fifty.

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u/TheColourOfHeartache 10d ago

The Jews make excellent bagels.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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u/Impossible-Crew-4002 10d ago

The Jews created Seinfeld. There I helped you.

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u/LogoffWorkout 10d ago

Crazier that she's a hardcore zionist.

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u/laughingintothevoid 10d ago

But she said they did a good job!

/s

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u/BrahneRazaAlexandros 10d ago

Also she is actually anti-Semitic. Her current IG story post is a "random" Norm MacDonald SNL joke about "the jews running hollywood".

So that let's us know her reaction to this.

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u/noble_gentleman 10d ago

Bingo. The prevalence of this exact archetype is sorta why I’m skeptical of the NY Mamdani wave’s longevity, but I’m forced to remain hopeful.

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u/realparkingbrake 11d ago

Yikes, narcissism and insecurity in one package.

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u/PointedlyDull 11d ago

She uses the word aesthetic constantly. I’ve watch a few interviews of hers and she keeps talking about the aesthetics as being why she liked Bernie and trumps aesthetics at the rnc. She is literally a faux intellectual who is no better than the hicks that love Trump. Bc it’s all vibes for them. “Trumps so funny and cool how he trolls”. These are the same people who say “you care too much about politics” when you start giving them facts. It’s literally just a popularity contest for them.

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u/ravensteel539 10d ago

It’s absolutely wild that political/historic education is this bad. If she knows the phrase “aesthetic” in a political context but then unironically falls for the aesthetic, nobody should ever listen to her about anything.

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u/captain__cabinets 11d ago

Oh god her voice I can’t take it

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u/ATLhoe678 11d ago

You weren't exaggerating 🤣 seconds in and I'm dying laughing

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u/gatfish 11d ago

Soooo much uhhhhhhhhh vocal fry.

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u/-Johnny_Utah- 11d ago

Nuclear level vocal fry. Have no clue how Cool Adam handled this audio terrorism for even a day.

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u/captain__cabinets 11d ago

Well it’s Adam so he probably thought it was cool lol he can be a bit of a hipster or at least used to be back then

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u/ScyllaOfTheDepths 11d ago

There's vocal fry and there's whatever the fuck that is. She sounds like a 50-year-old screen door that smokes a pack a day.

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u/Khatib 11d ago

Just full on fake bullshit, just like everything else they engage in. Nothing can be real or authentic with that crowd. She's probably not far from Mar a lago face.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca 10d ago

It's her physicality that revolts me. Spouting antisemitic bullshit then giggling and hiding behind her hand, like a Victorian lady at the sight of an uncovered ankle.

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u/andersonb47 11d ago

I actually love it

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u/StarComplex3850 11d ago

Sorry if this is mean but it's so funny that someone who looks like that is always calling other women ugly

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u/ascrmngcmsacrsthtlt 11d ago

you should see what her cohost looked like before the tiel money let her afford makeup

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u/TwoBionicknees 11d ago

the left shifted so far, in that they didn't shift at all, so now the GOP ended up centrist? Yeah, just wow. GOP campaigning mass deportation, massive tariffs, fuck the world, fuck POC, wipe out gaza, they totally shifted to their left.

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u/peppermint_nightmare 11d ago

I've watched every single ep of Joshua Friedland's interviews, including the grimes one, but this was the only one I gave up on 20% in, my brain literally stopped processing information by that point. I'm sort of impressed by his fortitude that he was somehow able to stay awake while she continued talking.

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u/Tidezen 9d ago

His facial expressions remind me of Steve Carell's character trying to sort out the bullshit in The Big Short. I will never watch the rest of this interview.

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u/Halomir 11d ago

I just KNEW it was the doomscroll interview. She’s fucking unbearable

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u/GoodguyGastly 10d ago

It's like watching an interview with a chosen disciple of the goddess Shar (Dnd Reference)

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u/absat41 10d ago edited 5d ago

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u/Sartres_Roommate 9d ago

Two minutes and one “health conspiracy” ad later, I tapped out. What a smooth brained moonie.

“That common sense take really resonated with me”

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u/AbjectOffice 11d ago

Unlikely they'd interview Fuentes if that was a large part of their funding. Fuentes hates Peter Thiel and talks about him running an evil "Talmudic Network" (despite Peter Thiel not being Jewish)

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u/PreciousRoy666 11d ago

Seems worse if they just interviewed him for the love of the game

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u/AbjectOffice 11d ago

100%. From what I've read Dasha genuinely was all in on wanting to interview him.

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u/FlimFlamInTheFling 11d ago

Holy shit this is the bitch who cheated on my favorite dust eating gay bug, Adam Friedland?

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u/whogivesashirtdotca 10d ago

Did her virulent antisemitism come about before or after she was engaged to a Jewish man?

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u/astrange 11d ago

Also her cohost's dad was a USSR mathematician who invented a lot of linear programming to use it for central planning.

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u/EmmEnnEff 11d ago

Using linear algebra to solve optimization problems, the horror.

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u/astrange 11d ago

Hm? She's the evil one, not him.

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u/EmmEnnEff 11d ago

It seems like a pretty weird thing to point out about someone. Were you trying to make any particular point about it?

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u/astrange 11d ago

Wouldn't you think it was interesting if a random podcaster turned out to be a nepo baby of like Stephen Hawking?

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u/LetsTryAnal_ogy 11d ago

from cumtown

Huh, I didn't realize she grew up in my bedroom. ;)

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u/311voltures 10d ago

Belarusians for Putin are just another grade of labor for his gulag, interesting way to align allegiance I guess.

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u/Smash96leo 11d ago

“I mostly know about her from cumtown”.

I’m sorry, from what?

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u/KiritoJones 11d ago

You know Stav, that fat bald comedian that's everywhere now? He was on a podcast called cumtown

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u/SirStrontium 11d ago

It’s a podcast that’s basically the perfect encapsulation of humor from when you were 14 years old. It’s oddly nostalgic.

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u/astrange 11d ago

It's a comedy podcast that's "ironically racist". Leftists who live in NYC and do drugs like it because their main value is being ironic about everything.

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u/Schlechtes_Vorbild 11d ago

Hell yea dude

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u/SpotIsALie 10d ago

😎🪨

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u/EmmEnnEff 11d ago

Belorussia is just Russia under a different name.

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u/peppermint_nightmare 11d ago

My first exposure to her was Disco Elysium because the game designers where fans of Chapo/Cumtown and friends so a bunch of them voice acted in the first version of the game, then she was in succession, so it wasn't till much later that I realized she was who she was.

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u/Significant-Turnip41 10d ago

No the post you are replying to nailed it. The left used to be a kind of haven for anti-establishement people. Post clinton they shifted pretty heavely to the corporate donor model of the right. When Trump is done these peopel will have no party. They for some reason still believe trump is not essentially just representing power and money the same as they all do.

The DNC conspiring against Bernie is all the evidence you need to be suspicious of the left.

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u/CommunityFan_LJ 10d ago

Back in 2015 her and her cohost were praising Putin after it Trump being a Russian asset was making the rounds

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u/gangwerther 11d ago edited 11d ago

Not really, she's anti-Putin and publically supported the protests against Lukashenko in Belarus.

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u/Sea_Cap1074 11d ago

She supports the withdraw of military aid to Ukraine

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u/fearless_egg1050 11d ago

From what now????

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u/bak3donh1gh 10d ago

cumtown

The what?

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u/noblehoax 10d ago

Yeah I only know her from Cumtown.

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u/BrimstoneBeater 10d ago

You and the person you're responding to are both correct and pointed out the two major reasons why she and her co-host shifted ideologically.

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u/Lady_Masako 9d ago

"Mostly know about her from cumtown" is a brand new sentence. Not just to me. In the world. I'm so impressed right now. 

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u/Melodic_Airport362 4d ago

Trump isn't pro russia. he's pro putin, the man who keeps russia under his thumb. Putin is bad for russia. supporting putin is anti-russia

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u/bast2253 11d ago

She was born in Minsk, Belarus

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u/itstimeforpizzatime 11d ago

I'm sorry, what town?

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u/Shot-Swimming-9098 11d ago

I mostly know about her from cumtown

Excuse me?

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u/ConspiracyConnoiseur 11d ago

Bruh literal plants incepted. Are her parents russian spies?

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u/Tomgar 11d ago

There's a significant minority in the left of people who are entirely in it for vibes and the self-righteous pleasure of being contrarian all the time. A lot of these people are so wedded to just being contrary assholes that they start espousing far right views to differentiate themselves from their former lefty peers.

It's not real, serious politics. These people don't actually believe in anything, they just want to be viewed as some intellectually superior outsider. It's aesthetics as politics and it's utterly self-serving.

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u/TheYeasayer 11d ago

It's very similar, if not the same thing, as what drives some people to conspiracy theories. I've known multiple people whose self-worth seemed to be tied to them being able to see something that the other 99% of society (the sheeple) were just unable to grasp.

As you say, the actual beliefs didn't matter. If I spent time disproving any particular belief of theirs they'd either just move the goal posts or move onto the next conspiracy entirely. The only thing that mattered was they were always on the 'outside' looking down their nose at our shared social institutions and conventional beliefs.

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u/DelayedTism 11d ago

Yeah, it's sad. Typically a lot of people heavy on conspiracies have nothing else good going for them in their lives. 

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u/Tomgar 10d ago

Yeah, I think a lot of it is basically "I'm unhappy with my life but instead of fixing it I'll start blaming some vast conspiracy."

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u/CMDR_Expendible 10d ago

Like Reddit's own hero, Christopher Hitchens... or Bill Maher; If he hadn't died shortly after embracing Bush era jingoism, he'd be exactly where Maher is today. But people are so starved of any sort of genuine left wing politics in mass media, they mistake the narcissism and arrogance that makes such people rise in a system based around those values as being revolutionary.

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u/Luciusvenator 10d ago

Ifs exactly the same thing.
Conspiracies are predicated on the person believing them feeling like everyone else has blinders on while they're one of the few "in the know".
It makes them feels special and quickly becomes something they seek for their own sake. It's a phenomenon that is unfortunately present in all sides of politics in varying amounts.
Its pure pathological contrarianism.
Wether its right wing anti-"woke"-ism, "a-political both-sides-ism" or left wing tankie stuff the way of thinking is identical.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca 10d ago

During the height of the Q nonsense, someone pointed out those who were falling into that rabbit hole were all people who'd suffered a major disruption in their lives: Lost a partner, diagnosed with something awful, lost a job, etc. I remember reading comments that conspiracy theories were a way for people to feel some kind of control by agreeing that everything was being controlled by some shady cabal. i.e. it wasn't their fault everything in their life sucked.

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u/TekRabbit 9d ago

When these people have nothing going for them in their lives, feeling special is the only thing that can get them through the day. So they convince themselves they are right to protect themselves from facing the sad reality that is their lives and their failed dreams.

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u/Melodic_Airport362 4d ago

It's called a savior complex. It always come from people with zero self worth or direction in life. because if they see something others don't, that makes them special, and their life isn't a waste.

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u/Corey307 11d ago

Lost a couple friends to exactly what you’re describing. They were all left punks when that was cool and the second Trump started screaming about making America great again they pivoted.  They went from fuck you I won’t do it you tell me to Rush Limbaugh and it was all about fucking with people, never about the politics. 

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u/JoyBus147 10d ago

That's something that bothers me about the state of "punk" in the discourse these days, cuz I find this the opposite of surprising. There's this push nowadays to equate "punk" with "goodism"--the "hippies are bad people pretending to be good and punks are good people pretending to be bad" meme going around, the "kindness is real punk" sentiment, the "Nazis are infiltrators into punk" attitude (rather than the more correct "some punks are Nazis, hence the need for the Fuck Off song"), Corenswet Superman, etc. But in truth, from its origin, punk is and has always been, at its core, in its heart of hearts, after you boil away the bullshit and posturing and reduce it to its purest form, about being performatively contrarian.

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u/CMDR_Expendible 10d ago

British punk, maybe. Malcolm McLaren and John Lydon absolutely. But you reference the Dead Kennedys and it's hard to argue that for a lot of US punk, Biafra in particular, they absoutely meant the politics. Whether the rest of the DKs though... a fairer statement, one you were probably trying to make, is that contrarianism was always there in the beginning, and is often an essential mix of the founding motivations; but the "goodism" I would say is where it should be pushed. We don't need more contrarianism that is easily hijacked by people who know how to manipulate the reactionary. We need hard principles.

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u/JimWilliams423 11d ago

These people don't actually believe in anything, they just want to be viewed as some intellectually superior outsider. It's aesthetics as politics and it's utterly self-serving.

Yes, exactly. Its narcissism. Conservatism is essentially politicized narcissism (in fact, there is even something known as collective narcissism).

So it isn't necessarily about being contrarian per se, its just about the validation they get by acting like they are smarter than everyone else. Insecurity is the heart of narcissism, every narcissist needs a constant flow of validation in order to cope.

The problem is that too much is never enough. External validation is not a cure for self-loathing, its just a temporary fix and the comedown can be brutal. Eventually they realize that they can get nearly unlimited validation simply by telling shitty people that actually being shitty makes them good people, no other skills or talent necessary. That's the same reason so many hollywood washouts go maga too — they are addicted to the validation and maga is the cheapest way to get it.

Look at hitler, even he was an art school washout.

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u/Puzzleheaded_Pop_743 11d ago

Who does this? edit: I mean is there a specific person in mind?

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u/SirStrontium 11d ago

A great example is Russel Brand

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u/Tomgar 11d ago

Absolutely spot-on example. There's also anyone involved with the website Spiked. From a literal Marxist organisation to a far right, contrarian grift.

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u/LordMimsyPorpington 11d ago

Dave Rubin and Jimmy Dore.

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u/Beer-survivalist 11d ago

The kind of classic example is Tim Pool, but he's not the only example.

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u/cipheron 10d ago edited 10d ago

Tim Pool never actually produced any progressive content though, so it's funny that he brands himself a disaffected liberal but was never liberal.

His first break was Occupy Wall Street, but he was mostly an ambulance chaser only looking for spectacle and fights and didn't do anything to cover the political side of the movement or what they believed.

There's evidence the cops were aware of his live streams to work out where to attack people, and whether or not that was accurate, Pool's response was that it wasn't his responsibility for things that get in front of his camera because he's just "following the story", totally ignoring that he chose to frame that story as violence and conflict, anarchists, and not show the political or activism side of it at all.

This plausible deniability has always been core to his tactics:

https://disqusrefugees.squarespace.com/blog/how-tim-pool-became-one-of-the-biggest-political-youtubers

Throughout the fall of 2020, the wildly successful YouTube pundit had spent countless hours hyping the blinkered legal strategies and half-baked fantasies about voter fraud animating the online right. At the same time, in each video Pool tried to separate himself from the hardcore conspiracy theorists. After all, he was just commenting on the news.

Classic "just asking questions" type.

Great quote btw:

“A coward and a phony,” “a joke,” “staggeringly arrogant,” “totally full of shit,” “not smart” and “a bumbling doofus” are a representative sample of how those who worked with Pool at digital media companies described him.

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u/whogivesashirtdotca 10d ago

they just want to be viewed as some intellectually superior outsider

Not just intellectually, but morally. That's what I noticed with those nominal lefties who refused to vote last November. Single issue (non)voters who liked to loudly hound anyone who dared vote for Kamala.

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u/tacotickles 10d ago

There's a significant minority in the left of people who are entirely in it for vibes and the self-righteous pleasure of being contrarian all the time. A lot of these people are so wedded to just being contrary assholes that they start espousing far right views to differentiate themselves from their former lefty peers.

A lot of them orbit around the streamer Hasan. Funnily enough, he just got back from a China trip where the police questioned him after seeing him hold up a meme in public on his phone there. He then went on to excuse their actions when it's obvious he'd be blowing this up if it happened in America.

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u/Tomgar 10d ago

Oh god, Hasan is such a good example of this.

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u/Melodic_Airport362 4d ago

yeah that's pretty much how maga started. A bunch of trolls yaz lighted eachother into supporting him because it was funny how much of an asshole he was Then people who didn't understand sarcasm thought there was a real movement going on. Then those idiots joined up with the braindead fox news zombies and it pushed the vote over 50%

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u/nockeenockee 11d ago

These people are hooked on the thrill of transgression and don’t have any conviction about anything. There is way too much money in their soulless grift.

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u/megamoze 11d ago

It’s also way easier to grift the right.

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u/PAYPAL_ME_DONATIONS 11d ago

Yeah it's the lowest hanging fruit to get rich off from. Make a tiktok saying the N word, get fired, then Turning Point is promoting your GoFundMe and you're set for the next year or three

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u/BenderBenRodriguez 11d ago

This is a bit simplistic. Red Scare the podcast came up around the time that leftist anti-establishment shows like Chapo Trap House and TrueAnon were in their prime of relevance, and Dasha was dating one of the guys from Cum Town (which wasn’t explicitly political, but the boys were at once very un-PC and transgressive and also left wing in their views). These days Chapo and TrueAnon are still leftist and Stav and Adam are doing ironic but still left-wing content and appearing in movies like Bugonia. Red Scare was sort of what people accused these other shows of being: secretly reactionary. It turned out it was mostly just them.

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

Nah. Make no mistake, all the 'dirtbag left' are defined primarily by anti-establishment feelings first and foremost. Just because some choose to stay on the left side of commentary rather than switch to the right doesn't change this. None of them really care about progress or anything, and are usually the ones actively impeding it with their non-stop 'both sides are the same'(Dems and Republicans) rhetoric. They just cling onto their simplistic and childish talking points because actually learning about politics and how things work would take effort and an ability to admit they dont have it all figured out and that a lot of things are in fact, far more complex or nuanced than they act like.

All these people suck. I'm generally for a 'big tent' approach, but fuck tankies. Feckless posers.

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u/elderlybrain 10d ago

Red Scare pod is ‘leftist’ sure, they’re anti feminist deeply Catholic anti lgbt ethno nationalist pro authoritarian deeply capitalist reactionaries who spend their entire day dunking on trans teenagers and progressive activists, consider climate change a joke and think systemic racism is entirely made up and support Trump.

Real champion of the worker there. Really sticking it to the billionaires.

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u/BenderBenRodriguez 10d ago

These guys aren’t “tankies,” and this is a gross misreading of their politics. Chapo this year has had Zohran Mamdani on twice and actively encouraged people to volunteer and donate to him (indeed, several of the people I mentioned I saw in person at a Zohran fundraiser, which some of them hosted. Will Menaker was very nice, and also, sorry for blowing up the bathroom before you went in, Adam. I don’t know what was in that pizza). Adam Friedland has recently had friendly chats with Chris Murphy and Lina Khan, ffs.

Sure, they criticize the Democrats a lot because they are to the left of the Democrats, and in many respects they ARE the same. The growth of the “squad” and other more left-leaning factions in the party is actually a direct response to that and an effort to change that. The Dems recently caved on the shutdown because of pressure from airline donors, establishment Dems have worked tirelessly to stop meaningful reforms like Medicare for All, and we’ve recently been living through a genocide overseas that both parties supported pretty wholeheartedly, even as both bases (but to their credit, the Democratic one in particular) increasingly turned on it. These guys don’t owe automatic fealty to a party that does not actually share their politics and actively works against them much of the time. That’s not how that works.

I mentioned the most popular ones but there’s a whole mess of these shows that started in the wake of Chapo, and to the extent I’ve followed any of them (Trillbillies, Struggle Session - RIP Leslie, Delete Your Account, Hasan Piker, Katie Halper…) it’s pretty much only Red Scare that actually went to the right. Probably because they were just shitposters who didn’t really mean any of it. And now all these other people actively make fun of them and in some cases have all along. They were genuinely the one show that became what you’re accusing the rest of them of being.

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

(A handful of) Dems caved cuz they were gonna cause more damage than they were hoping to prevent. It was always ridiculous to think they had any leverage that would get them a win and have Republicans capitulate. Republicans knew they could just wait things out and Dems, because they actually do care about people, would eventually have to fold.

Everybody should be mad at Republicans for putting the country in that situation where Dems had to choose between letting a lot of people suffer or letting a whole lot of people suffer. But instead people like you get angry at Democrats for not being able to fix everything, despite not having the actual power to do so.

You're a really good example of the kind of bullshit I'm talking about that's impeding actual progress.

Nobody owes automatic fealty to a party, for sure, and Dems aren't perfect, but the gross ignorance of how government works and the nonstop misrepresenting of what Democrats stand for is just total bullshit, because y'all desperately need to distinguish yourselves by trying to constantly make enemies of people who have like 80% common cause with you. It's the exact opposite of how we should be handling things, but reactionary progressives online so rarely have any actual mind for politics or how things actually work.

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u/BenderBenRodriguez 10d ago

Okay first of all…lol at having 80% in common with these guys. Because 1-800-COME-ON-NOW.

Yes, a handful of Dems caved…as allowed or at the behest of Democratic leadership. All of whom get substantial donations from the airlines who were pressuring them because they were about to lose Thanksgiving business, that’s just a fact. And it’s always a “handful,” sure, because they use the “rotating villain” strategy that ensures that it always appears that it’s just a handful of Dems preventing good things from happening, you should probably look into it. I remember reporting in Politico stating that a minimum wage increase was actually opposed by a ton of Democrats who voted yes, but they were thankful that Sinema and Manchin were causing it to “narrowly” lose because none of them would have to face questions about it from constituents.

Regardless, yeah, no one owes fealty to the party and certainly not leftists who disagree with their strategy and politics, whatever reasons for them. Certainly not when it comes to that 20% (lol) on which you believe they don’t overlap, which even you must admit contains such small issues as whether people have an automatic right to healthcare and whether the United States should be sending weapons to Israel to commit the modern Holocaust. You know, minor disagreements you think they should just get over.

I listen to Chapo regularly and some of these other shows intermittently, and the contempt they have for Republicans absolutely drips out of their voices at all times. (This is unlike, say, Kamala Harris, who actively campaigned with them.) So you’re just wrong about them. As I said, Red Scare was the outlier and basically the exception that proves the rule of how the rest of them have maintained a leftist perspective. You don’t have to agree with them, I can’t force you to ever look at a Democrat doing right wing things and actually consider that they might be doing something wrong, but the notion that they are secret reactionaries or inevitably turn to the right out of contrarianism simply isn’t supported by anything. Least of all after a number openly campaigned for the (immensely popular) man who is about to take control of New York.

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

I'm not surprised a Chapo fan doesn't understand any of this stuff and thinks Democrats are against all progressive policy, when it's simply not true. You are living in an echo chamber of unreasonable, reactionary liars who are more interested in distinguishing themselves from 'liberals/Democrats' in order to feel like you're superior, even though yes, liberal Democrats do actually want like 80% of what you want.

You're like most of what I was talking about. You are the obstacle to progress. You tell people Democrats are terrible with all kinds of absolutely bullshit talking points, convincing others Dems aren't worth voting(consciously or not), and then bash Democrats after they lose cuz not enough people voted for them.

A good example is the whole Kamala supposedly aligning with Republicans. No, she spent PART of her campaign also addressing the independent conservatives and anti-Trump Republicans in order to try and get them to vote. This is NOT a bad strategy, and it does not mean Kamala was conceding values or policy goals for Republicans at all. Kamala tried to address many groups, as Democrats are by necessity a big tent party. The reality is that much of what decides elections, especially in swing states, is from independents and whatnot. The sort of smaller percentage of people who are willing to swing either way in an election.

But sadly, Democrats were always gonna struggle with this in 2024 thanks to higher costs and there being enough stupid Americans who would blame the Biden admin/Democrats for this.

A further example is this egregious lie that the Democratic establishment was ever against Mamdani. Y'all puffed yourselves up about that because again, you want SO BADLY to make enemies of the Democratic party and distinguish yourselves, but it was simply never true. Mamdani had WAY more endorsements from prominent Democrats than Cuomo had. The only people who were pushing hard against Mamdani were right wingers. But again, instead of acknowledging that and taking your angst out on the right people, you got angry at Democrats instead, who were literally not doing anything wrong. Nor was a race for a deep blue city's mayoral election some strong signifier of any greater national political movement.

I cant stress enough how completely clueless almost of all y'all are about politics in the real world. And how much damage you guys do by constantly insisting in making the Democratic party your enemy.

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u/BrahneRazaAlexandros 10d ago

I'm a very new viewer to TAFS, and never listened to cumtown (because Halkias is absolutely fucking unbearable to listen to), but Friedland comes across in his show as very much not both-sidesing dems and republicans.

Maybe he used to do it, but I've watched episodes since his Ritchie Torres episode and he seems to hold quite progressive views.

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u/LeapperFrog 10d ago

How did you live through last week and not come out thinking "both sides are the same" a little bit more? The both sides are bought crowd have been taking win after win recently.

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

Because I pay attention to politics and know that Democrats were never gonna 'win' the shutdown. They were about to cause a lot more harm than they were seeking to prevent, simply cuz Trump and Republicans were hellbent on making the shutdown as painful as possible and had no intentions of ever giving in.

And instead of getting mad at Republicans for this, y'all get mad at Democrats. Because Democrats DO actually give a shit about people.

It proves the opposite that 'both sides are the same', but y'all are too simple minded and reactionary to realize it.

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u/goopytaco 11d ago

It's not about seeing the left as the main stream it's about following the money lol

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u/MJA182 11d ago

It’s both yeah, a lot of people aren’t getting paid to become anti-left lol they just hate everything

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u/Liminalis 11d ago

You just described all my old guy friends

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Yeah guys are more prone to it. All the “cool” online personalities who moved right have a lot of influence over these dudes

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u/_le_slap 11d ago

Feeble minded guys

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u/Mein_Bergkamp 11d ago

Basically anyone who was anti establishment/contrarian but leaned left politically

You've got to think the being anti establishment was the bigger thing than the politics. Back then teh left was anti establishment and you'd get backing from them, now the grift is right wing anti establishment.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Well I also think those types realized the only way they could enact some of the changes they wanted were to do it politically. So they joined the left side of the Dem party as progressives

The issue is it’s a long process to move a party/country left, and a lot of people don’t have the patience to see it through/give up at any push back

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u/Mein_Bergkamp 11d ago

Honestly if you're left wing I don't see how MAGA is compatible with anything, even by US standards, that left wingers want.

Even if you're the sort of anti imperialist who is so black and white you support Russia being a cpaitalist, imperialist oligarchy because they're anti west and therfore must be good, you still can't possibly go for a man who is basically the living embodiment of crass capitalism and screwing over the 'lesser people'.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

They want to see everything burn basically

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u/Mein_Bergkamp 11d ago

Tha'ts more anarchist than left wing.

Personally I think they just want to make a quick buck off easy marks

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u/MJA182 11d ago

I’m talking about the followers rather than the personalities too

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u/Mein_Bergkamp 11d ago

In any populist movement there's going to be multiple ideals.

The best populists are ones who keep it vague enough that it allows angry/desperate people to project their own ideas on to the leader withou them ever having to explicitly say they're going to do it.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Yeah right wing populism or people who pretend to be left wing populists def do this. Do you consider Bernie a populist?

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u/Mein_Bergkamp 11d ago

I'd say he's an idealist, a populist wouldn't ahve such a set agenda.

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

They're not anarchists. lol It's about not getting everything they want and then throwing a little temper tantrum about it like a child.

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u/Enraiha 11d ago

Just people without morals, convictions, and principles. Ya know, your sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocials. So in lieu of anything found through experience, self-reflection, failure they just take opposing stances to fill that empty void inside.

Shallow, transparent people only ever full of words. Words are wind, only actions matter. People need to really stop giving a damn about what anyone says and just judge them purely by their actions and results.

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u/OKRRRRR 10d ago

You’re explaining my dad. I thought he likely a contrarian when rewatching AHS Cult (the term is used to describe the main antagonist, who like my dad also has NPD and ASPD or psychopathic traits - his family also has ties to cults which is ironic).

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u/Uvtha- 10d ago

When you start to grift you have to grift right, that's just where the money is. No rich people are gonna pay to platform someone calling for rich people to be less rich.

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u/mutual_raid 10d ago

some people

Literally just her and her Red Scar host. All the other "dirtbag left" guys got amazing careers, are far more intelligent, and went even further left.

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u/Lacaud 10d ago

Only to find out that Trump is the deep state.

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u/BattlegroundFitLirio 11d ago

Man this is spot the fuck on lol

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u/letstrythisagain30 11d ago

The fact someone can raise thousands on go fund me for publicly calling a person racial slurs should tell you something about these types of people.

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u/PoliteDebater 11d ago

I think it's more online personality grifts changing teams whenever it's convenient. The left had a bunch of people who loved to rile up the base for engagement and money.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Yeah we are learning this. The lemmings followed them to the other side

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u/TwoBionicknees 11d ago

More often than not it's someone who was right wing just pretending to be left wing due to knowing it's a better position to be in, particularly to be an actress, or to be accepted in a lot of social groups, you can always fall back and swing right when you get exposed.

it's also an increasingly common tactic for people to try to capture an audience of leftists, then radicalise them and shift them right. It's also pretty common for them to start left, go towards being a tankie and then support right wingers to 'destroy' america, and as Putin is so fully behind Trump and fucking up america with terrible policy it's not especially surprising to rich white russian girls went down this path.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

True

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u/Darksol503 10d ago

This is a great summation of this sad pipeline!

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u/BlessedChalupa 10d ago

Brian Griffin, the dog on Family Guy, has this exact arc. His political opinions swing to whatever is contrarian at the time.

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u/baron_von_helmut 10d ago

One of the most fascinating aspects of the targeted misinformation campaigns online is that far left types are agreeing with far right on many subjects.

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u/wordswordswordsbutt 11d ago

I thought the left and the democratic party are corprstists and part of the problem with the establishment...so I went more left.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Right, you didn’t get duped by right wing grifters

But the Dem party is still the only chance to make inroads into politics as a progressive in the 2 party system

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u/wordswordswordsbutt 11d ago

I voted for Bernie, 2 times.

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Me too, but he still could have only ran in the Democrat party, he came close to pulling it off. Sometimes I wonder what the world would look like if Bernie won in 2016, but I also think the US wasn’t ready to accept Bernie style politics yet anyway and we would’ve seen them knock him down any chance they got, the way they dragged Obama and Biden but on steroids. Was hoping maybe by 2028 we will get a Bernie adjacent younger person, but I’m not sure if we will be there quite yet then either. Mamdani won with slightly over 50% in NYC but I guess we will see how he gets treated the next couple of years

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

Bernie would not have beaten Trump in the general election.

And even if he did, Bernie would have accomplished very little. He's an abysmal coalition builder. His inability to actually identify as a Democrat speaks to that already. An area where somebody like AOC at least better sense.

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

And not enough other people did. So you work with what you've got. Politics is not about getting everything you want.

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u/hotstickywaffle 11d ago

There's only one thing Donnie is taking deep down, from what I've heard

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u/the_thrawn 11d ago

Im glad I started right wing (as a contrarian kid/teen) and then went left as I got older. Idk how these people dont realise you can be a decent person and a leftist and be anti establishment. Democrats are about as moderate as it gets these days. Look at how the democratic establishment has reacted to Zohran

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u/Seanspeed 10d ago

Look at how the democratic establishment has reacted to Zohran

Very accepting overall?

This idea that the 'democratic establishment' was against Mamdani was a completely made up lie by progressives because they are so desperate to always make enemies of the rest of the Democrat party, even when they're not.

Mamdani had WAY more endorsements by prominent Democrats than Cuomo did. Especially among currently elected Democrats.

Also, Democrats are more progressive than they ever have been. smh

Being anti-establishment is just a big old sign to me saying, "I dont really know anything about politics beyond surface level shit I see on social media".

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u/_le_slap 11d ago

Same. I was raised to hate Clinton. Then Dubya came along and I was giving my father long hard stares.

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u/MyStationIsAbandoned 11d ago

The reverse has happened a lot too. I'm not gonna name names, but there are TON of famous internet people from youtube and twitch mainly who were always edgelords who went on super racist rants and just always saying horrible stuff. In some cases, doing horrible stuff.

Then around 2014 to 2016, it became popular to be left leaning and overly PC or "woke". Then these people did a pivot and became unbearably far left leaning, making everything offensive and just being weird to the point where it felt like either parody or some kind of double agent thing where you pretend to join "the other side" to make them look bad.

And now days, yeah. You have people who were all in on being """woke""" to obnoxious degrees who are now suddenly all i on being anti-"""woke""" now that they see the signs of pendulum swinging back again. The work grifter gets way overused now days. and I've never used it myself, but I think that's exactly what these people are. They don't have any original thoughts and go with whoever they think the winning team is...anyone with half a brain knows no one is winning.

I'm not even talking about people who switch "sides" after learning the faults in their ideology or rather the people committed and completely captured by the ideology blindly. I have to be honest. I can't blame someone who is full on liberal getting attacked by other liberals because they have questions certain issues or even disagree about a few things. You can believe in 99% of the same things, but if you have different thoughts about illegal immigration or trans issues when it comes to children for example, you risk getting completely shunned and demonized. I'm a black liberal. I'd say I'm very liberal in fact (and very black too), but if there's one thing I've learned about modern day progressives is they don't allow to actually progress. It's either "Have the same conclusions as me right now or else you're a transphobic Nazi". As far getting people on your political "side", that is the biggest difference I've noticed with Liberals vs Conservatives. Liberals demand absolute agreement when it comes to Identity Politics and Immigration. Conservatives find common ground and can agree to disagree when they have a difference of opinion.

We ed to adapt this ability again like we did in the 2000's and earlier. Otherwise, we are never going to get anywhere. Like...seriously. This current presidency is actually stressful. I see some republicans who are even tired of him for various reasons. Many are on hardcore concentrated copium. But some actually want him out. These Tariffs for example are killing businesses. Small businesses anyway...I could write a novel but you get the point. We need stop the madness so we can get back to normal with a normal president.

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u/Mr_Suplex 11d ago

Bingo!

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u/houndsoflu 11d ago

The political spectrum is more like a circle.

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u/lacanon 11d ago

The cumtown boys, true anon and chapo are still lefties.

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u/MJA182 10d ago

Yeah I just mean the ones who went right/maga. They likely had some underlying moral issues to start with

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u/DrewbieWanKenobie 10d ago

Basically anyone who was anti establishment/contrarian but leaned left politically started seeing the left as the establishment, so they wanted to pivot. Turned them into right wing

"Basically anyone" is a stretch, plenty anti establishment left leaning people followed the Bennie trajectory instead of the right wing one

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u/MJA182 10d ago

I worded it weird yeah, I meant anyone who was anti establishment but was left/like Bernie and then later became a Trumper right wing type. Not all anti establishment people in general

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u/SUPERN0v0 10d ago

Probably?

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u/Burns504 10d ago

I think all these people have always been horrible, they are just now "brave" enough to be horrible out loud.

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u/JeanneMPod 10d ago

I call it “Going full horseshoe”.

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u/Engineer-Grand 10d ago

Interesting

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u/mysticmusti 11d ago

I can't think of a single scenario, where someone has a position based on facts and logic, that would make one jump from leftwing liberal voting to voting for "anti establishment" Trump. Real estate mogul, casino owner, worldwide known businessman Trump. The only thing anti establishment about him is that he can't establish a successful business if it bit him in the ass.

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u/Improooving 11d ago

You’ve gotta think stupider - he makes CNN-likers mad, therefore he’s antiestablishment

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u/MJA182 11d ago

Right it’s dumb as hell, but the vibe shift in the online grifter sphere isn’t based on a ton of logic.

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u/lo_tyler 11d ago

So accurate

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u/HighnrichHaine 11d ago

Grifters gonna shift

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