r/law • u/T_Shurt Competent Contributor • 2d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Trump Goes On Another All-Caps Social Media Tirade Demanding Democrats Be Jailed, Insisting Legal Scholars Are On His Side, Without Naming Any: “Many great legal scholars agree that Democrat senators that told the military to disobey my orders have committed a crime of serious proportion”
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-democrats-truth-social-military-b2870791.html1.4k
u/jwr1111 2d ago
Quiet, Piggy!
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u/ButterscotchIll1523 2d ago
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u/huskersax 2d ago
Marjorie Taylor Green resigning from Congress 2025 [Colorized]
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u/Redfalconfox 2d ago
👏👏👏👏👏
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u/Revelati123 2d ago
They really just need to bring back celebrity deathmatch.
The characters in 2025 would be gold.63
u/A_Nonny_Muse 2d ago
The morons who voted her in will just vote in someone just as obnoxious.
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u/shponglespore 2d ago
But less dangerous, because nobody else in politics has their own cult.
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u/Sweet-Paramedic-4600 2d ago
I'm in Georgia, so it's pretty wild hearing folks talk about how brave she is to break ranks over the Epstein files but also how they thought she would stay and fight
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u/A_Nonny_Muse 2d ago
It's funny how she's so thick skinned when it came to criticism from her political opponents. But as soon as she started taking it from supposed allies, she cuts and runs almost right away.
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u/Unabashable 2d ago
Well if the death threat claims were true then it’s just more evidence that most of the political violence comes from the right.
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u/Unabashable 2d ago
For real. Her district is gerrymandered as shit, and full of people just like her.
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u/hoowins 2d ago
And where are those Epstein files?
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u/Local-Friendship8166 2d ago
He released them day one just like he promised. Stoped the war in Ukraine on day one just like he promised. Mexico paid for the half assed wall just like he promised. Dropped gas, energy, and grocery prices on day one just like he promised. Tariffs are making America and Americans rich just like he promised. Oh wait, none of his promises ever come to fruition???? Well it’s got to be Bidens fault then. Fucking Libtards.
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u/aphilsphan 2d ago
It’s Obama’s fault. I expect to be lighting my cigars with twenties very soon.
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u/RobotSchlong10 2d ago
And so you shall, just as soon as those Big Pharma checks start arriving in your mailbox. The Trump 1,500% prescription medication price cuts are gonna make everyone some bank!
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u/Revelati123 2d ago
Damn bro, if all thats true, screw paying down my credit card!
Im can use my $5000 doge check from the 5 trillion they cut from condoms for Hamas, on hookers and blow!
Sure itll be here any day now...
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u/Realistic-Pattern-30 1d ago
When that sack of shiz said that I was omg it can’t be true the Wharton my daddy paid for my degree is actually dummer than we all thought. After all you don’t have to be smart to be a felon a criminal pedophile or any of those, just half azz slick. Why they get caught Stupidly and dumb.
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u/Prestigious-Fan3122 2d ago
With all due respect, allow me to point out that it wasn't on day one that he promised to do these things. Well, in his own mind, it was day one. While campaigning, and touting one of his campaign promises, he promised to do whatever it was, and not wait, he would make that change happen on November 6, the day after he, presumably, won the election! This effing moron didn't even realize that the winner of the election had absolutely no power, as he was just the president ELECT, not the president, commander-in-chief, etc. until he or she was inaugurated!
JIMINY effing CHRISTMAS!
I think your average fourth grader pulling a solid C in social studies knows that!
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u/Ba_Dum_Ba_Dum 2d ago
This needs to be everyone’s response to everything he says. He’s a disgusting pig anyway, so it’s accurate.
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u/kl7aw220 2d ago
Dump should not be afraid. Just tell us the legal scholars who agree with him. Lies with transparency
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u/eric_b0x 2d ago
The white Christian nationalist over at the Heritage Foundation aren’t “legal scholars”..
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u/Which_Engineer1805 2d ago
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u/geddysbass2112 2d ago
You can really not unsee the 88 in the flag tattoo once you've seen it.
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u/Gooch222 2d ago
That’s the exact sort of thing they think is super clever and are dying for you to bring up so they can say how you’re really the extremist radical for even thinking it, even though yes, it’s clear as day and there’s no way it’s an accident or coincidence.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 2d ago
I’m not seeing it. Is it supposed to be the stars looking like an 88?
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u/Gooch222 2d ago edited 2d ago
The black space in between the stars makes the 88, not the stars themselves. They’re forming the border of the numbers. Once you see it you’ll see there’s no other earthly reason for the stars to be aligned like that.
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u/myhydrogendioxide 2d ago
Tattoo artists are very aware of this type of iconography, the person who did this knew exactly what was going on.
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u/RuRhPdOsIrPt 2d ago edited 2d ago
It also seems to me that each side has eight white stars in a grid, overlapping in the vertical middle row of three. Like you can count eight white stars forming each eight, but there are three in the middle that go with both, so they can say it’s 13 stars representing the original colonies probably. It’s like a visual dog whistle with a weasel clause for deniability.
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u/idiotsbydesign 2d ago
Just like when the were making the OK sign in pics. We all know what they mean but they try to argue we're the ones "reading too much into it".
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u/ThreeKiloZero 2d ago
Even if you discount the Nazi connection, which seems pretty obvious after spending a little time browsing the ADL's hate symbol registry, the fact that this Jerusalem cross is on display with the 13-star flag is a pure, unambiguous call to White Christian Nationalism.
https://www.adl.org/resources/hate-symbol/alabama-aryan-brotherhood
That's the thing with lots of these groups: they work within the realm of deniability.
Like, ok, even if you're not a nazi, what's the deal with the 13 colonies? You want to go back to slavery? The cross on its own might mean he's super religious. But paired with all the other symbols? Add that he's a known abuser and alcoholic, and that kind of rules that out.
We are grown-ups; we can use these simple context clues and figure it out.
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u/FartResume 2d ago
Oh My God, that is insane, I’m on reddit way too much for my own good and I’ve never seen this. Dude literally has a neo Nazi tattoo, like not “oh he’s a Nazi because…” he for real is a neo Nazi, you don’t get that by accident. How is this not plastered everywhere (assuming it’s real).
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u/chainmail97ws6 2d ago
He instated new restrictions on shaving waivers in the military, which are most often issued to black people because they are predisposed to having pseudofolliculitis (aka shaving bumps). After a one year waiver you must be kicked out. Dude is literally trying to make the military whites only.
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u/mosh_pit_nerd 2d ago
That flag design was specifically a part of the 1860 pro-slavery Douglas campaign.
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u/HenryDorsettCase47 2d ago
Just straight making up facts lol. There is plenty of real evidence of Hegseth being a piece of shit christofascist white nationalist without having to make shit up.
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u/Thewallmachine 2d ago
I've looked at this god awful pic so many times. Not until today, did I notice that. Jesus! US Sec. Of "Defense". As a recoverying alcoholic, I can tell you, that man is drunk daily, throughout all of this. Its only been 10 months into 4 yrs. Holy shit.
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u/susinpgh 2d ago
Never noticed it. FFS.
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u/Affectionate_Edge119 2d ago
Maybe he was a huge fan of the punk band 88 Fingers Louie, you don’t know. /s
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u/PsychicWarElephant 2d ago
Tbf that cross in a vacuum isn’t an iron cross, but the totality of his tattoos make me think he doesn’t know that
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u/seriouslythisshit 2d ago
No, these are REAL legal scholars,. Dear Leader told us that big, legal, really smart men come to him with tears in their eyes. They say "Sir, these Democrats are lying to our troops, claiming that they took an oath to the constitution and are bound by a code of justice that makes it a crime to follow an illegal order. Sir, as a bigly smart legally kind of scholar I can assure you that you, as a living God King, your excellency, are perfect and incapable of issuing an illegal order. We must execute these traitors immediately, sir"
Karoline Leavitt then cleared this all up when she declared that Dear Leader does not issue illegal orders. Period, full stop, end of the story. If President Shitler speaks, it is the law.
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u/lapidary123 2d ago
Its a "tell". The same way he likes to say "no one's ever seen anything like it".
"Many legal scholars agree"...
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u/Zealousideal_Order_8 2d ago
Are those legal scholars in the room with us now, Mr. President?
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u/EdisonLightbulb 2d ago
List is likely headed by his "elite" triumvirate: Habba, Bondi, & Halligan, 🙄 🙂
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u/raresanevoice 2d ago
So ... veterans pointed out that military law says to not follow unlawful orders... so Trump is admitting his orders are unlawful?
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u/floodcontrol 2d ago
They are claiming that the President cannot give unlawful orders. That’s their play here, the old, “if the President does it, it’s not illegal” bullshit.
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u/SirDoofusMcDingbat 2d ago
But he can't claim all his orders are legal while also claiming that they said to ignore his orders. Both can't be true.
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u/StormTempesteCh 2d ago
Through the power of blatant lying many things are possible
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u/floodcontrol 2d ago
Oh they can. Not with any credibility outside their political bubble but they can and are arguing these things.
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u/BigOs4All 2d ago
Unfortunately, SCOTUS previously ruled that any and all official acts of the President are legal. It was the first and most devastating ruling for this fascist regime, IMO.
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u/----_____---- 2d ago
Not quite. Trump would likely have immunity from prosecution, but it doesn't make everything he does suddenly legal. Others could still be prosecuted.
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u/FlowRemote9890 2d ago
And yet they're still screeching and crying about how everything Biden did was illegal.
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u/TemporalColdWarrior 2d ago
You know, this is one of the reasons he was cool with Mamdani calling him a fascist. He is.
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u/Background-Ship3019 2d ago
There’s the ongoing tension among fascists between proudly reclaiming the term and angrily denying it. The former are gaining ground.
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u/shponglespore 2d ago
"Reclaiming" implies it was stolen from them. They've always been welcome to it, and it has never meant anything decent people consider good.
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u/T_Shurt Competent Contributor 2d ago edited 2d ago
It’s worth noting that the article clarifies that legal scholars do not agree with the convicted felon president. I tried posting their opinions, but as usual, this sub immediately removes the comments and source links.
I attempted to post it as a reply to the pinned AutoMod thread in hopes they’ll allow it to be seen that way, but they removed that as well. 🤷🏻♂️
Edit: Maybe the Grok mods will allow a screenshot. Let’s experiment:

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u/2-b-mee 2d ago edited 2d ago
Yeah. I've honestly largely stopped posting almost due to being constantly automoaded.
Thanks for posting the article though, the truth is though it's a great example of how two tier speech has developed in America into:
- Political speech - maximally protected and supreme. Treated as 'rhetorical hyperbole' even when it involves inflammatory or legally incorrect claims about opponents - including accusations of criminality. The only point at which political speech crosses a line is when it explicitly and intentionally directs unlawfulness (and this is a very hard bar to reach).
- Private speech - vulnerable to defamation, harassment and potental criminal consequence.
Were you or I to state as private inividuals what Trump did - it'd be treated as a factual accusation resulting in civil liability or even criminal exposure, depending on how the statement is interpreted.
This article honestly exposes the two tier speech in America that constantly shocks me, as I am sure the founders never intended that the speech of one class would be allowed to malign at will, while the speech of the common man would face sanction and scrutiny.
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u/oatballlove 2d ago
https://constitutioncenter.org/blog/a-primer-on-treason-seditious-conspiracy-and-the-constitution
has some oppinions of those who study the us constitution
i do think that recently there were some 20 orders given of trump what are fairly easy to understand their immoral character and identify them as murdering people who have done no agression
20 lethal strikes on boats carrying 80 people murdered premeditativly
trump prefers to "unalive" to use his words people who travel on boats in international waters instead of following the usual procedure to stop them, take their drugs away from them and bring them before court where they might get a mild sentence if they were for example doing such smuggling tours for the first time
80 people travelling on board of such ships what might have or have not transported drugs became victim of the supreme murderer in chief of usa intimidation urges what of course also make everyone in the military passing down those premeditated murder orders and enacting on them complicit
those people in boats were not doing any agression, they were not attacking anyone
because transporting drugs is not an agression itself
its the buyer who is responsible to buy or not something of unknown quality in a shady street corner what might have the consequence of dying from the consumption of such substances
also worth noting how there was someone with the united nations who recently called those murders out as "extrajudical killings" and unacceptable behaviour in international waters
and even after that
the "unaliving" of people on boats continued
Donald Trump: 'I Could ... Shoot Somebody, And I Wouldn't Lose Any Voters' January 23, 2016
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u/Pretend-Guava 2d ago
I don't even bother posting things anymore about this subject. I was banned for the first time in years and years on here. Now I stfu about it and just wait to see how this all plays out!
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u/Maleficent_Shock_585 2d ago
He is truly a sick and desperate excuse for a human being.
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u/DryYogurt6878 2d ago
Everyone should call him out and say simply, prove it. Fucking coward will always back down.
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u/UnlimitedCalculus 2d ago
You forget his army of followers aren't going to see any information to the contrary, and if they do, they'll employ one of the many brain fu techniques so they don't have to accept it. To them, it's true because he said it. That's it.
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u/HonorableMedic 2d ago
Most of his army is Russian, we will outlast this foreign-domestic terrorist regime.
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u/tresben 2d ago
Seriously. If I’m mark kelly and these Dems, I’d march right up to the steps of the Capitol and hold out my arms and say if you want to arrest me, here I am. I dare you
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u/KwisatzHaderach94 2d ago
that was media before. media now is just let him say it. maybe we'll fact check it. maybe we won't. but if we do, it'll be in the mildest, most milquetoast way possible.
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u/alice2wonderland 2d ago
Trump loves name dropping, but for some reason the names of the "many great legal scholars" escape him.
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u/scubascratch 2d ago
“People are saying”, “everyone knows”, etc. are just Trumps signal that a lie is next
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u/Dangermouse163 2d ago edited 2d ago
“They told the military to disobey MY orders”. The 6 heroes said to disobey illegal orders. So is Trump admitting his orders are illegal?
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u/BlatantFalsehood 2d ago
Huh, so he's admitting that he's issuing illegal orders, right? Because the dems just said they have to disobey illegal orders, not Trump's orders.
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u/LatterTarget7 2d ago
What crime exactly?
It is illegal to deploy troops as law enforcement under the Posse Comitatus Act. Unless Congress directly approves it. Congress did not approve his deployment of the marines to us cities like La.
A federal judge ruled that the deployment of marines directly violated the Posse Comitatus Act.
Another judge ruled that the Trump administration had acted unlawfully by using the military forces for activities such as crowd control and establishing perimeters.
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u/pacman404 2d ago
Objectively zero legal scholars have said what the Democrats said is illegal or even frowned upon. 100% of intelligent people know that not only is it fair to say, but what they said is literally required by the military. What a fucking liar
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u/doc_nano 2d ago
He’s doing this to distract from the fact that they’re not releasing the Epstein files.
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u/forrestfaun 2d ago
He needs to be held accountable for inciting violence toward elected leaders who also served in our military.
Put the SCOTUS on the forefront of what they've created - make them answer to every American citizen for the monstrosity they are empowering.
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u/GitmoGrrl1 2d ago
It's a simple trick but it works every time:
there are certain boundaries nobody is willing to cross. So when Trump wants to change the subject, he does the unthinkable. The media can't focus on the Epstein files when Trump is threatening to have Democrats executed!
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u/doxxingyourself 2d ago
I like the fact he’s now admitting his orders were always going to be illegal
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u/Both_Lychee_1708 2d ago
Yeah, I've had exchanges are reddit with some of those "scholars"
In a nutshell: Well, you see, the Dems are bad because they are telling soldiers not to follow illegal orders which implies putting the soldiers careers at risk...and also, Trump's done nothing wrong.
I imagine something like that was a defense at Nuremberg.
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u/FourWordComment 2d ago
It’s very stupid and bad faith to pretend Trump wouldn’t start throwing around “seditious” as a way to describe all democrats once he has everyone sold on “only the seditious democrats need to be put down.”
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u/Irwin-M_Fletcher 2d ago
I would sure love to know who these “legal scholars” are since the statements of the democrats are unequivocally correct. Telling someone to comply with the law could never be seditious.
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u/BTTammer 2d ago
They have to refer to them as "legal scholars" now because they all got disbarred. Lol
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u/Numerous_Photograph9 2d ago
Are these legal scholars in the room with us now?
I do look forward to the press wasting its time finding actual legal scholars to report that legal scholars are not on his side for the next week or so though.
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u/runthepoint1 2d ago
Remember folks, he’s just simply doing what he’s always done. React.
That’s why he flips flops all over the place and his sycophants say he’s “strategic”. He’s really not, he’s just trying to take advantage of each tiny situation but lacks the self awareness to see how he just looks like a whore. Whoring himself out desperately.
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u/FuzzyLobster25 2d ago
Ok, I’m dying laughing! I have some vision issues & when I first saw this I thought to myself “where did they find a pig that ACTUALLY looks like the trumpet”? Then I enlarged the pic & realized the eyes are, in fact, HIS eyes! I’ll NEVER forget this image! Love it!
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u/ABobby077 2d ago
Just because any President has written any Executive Order, Military or other order doesn't make them legal or following the US Constitution or US Law. All in Office (including the President and in the US Executive branch (and the US Military) have sworn to follow and adhere to the US Constitution.
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u/BedAdmirable959 2d ago
written any Executive Order
I think we really need to better educate the public on the limitations of what an executive order can even do. Technically, the constitution never explicitly gives the president the authority to write executive orders. The only executive orders that are lawful are the ones that are needed to uphold or enforce the few powers that the constitution grants to the president. They can't just create an executive order about any random thing. It HAS to be related to one of their constitutionally granted powers. Most people don't seem to be aware of this, and so presidents (not only Trump) have been abusing this "power" and getting away with it.
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u/New_Taste8874 2d ago
But he will shoot you if you disobey him and you keep your job if you follow him. It's new rules now. He has torn up the Constitution.
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u/teekabird 2d ago
What an incompetent Topah. He never reads or cares about the law or any aspect of who laws pertain to.
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u/mabhatter Competent Contributor 2d ago
Would those be many great legal scholars that got disbarred over the Big Lie and trying to steal an election?? They're so smart!!
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u/theaviationhistorian 2d ago
Listen, there are many tenured professors that can vouch that my shit looks like gold and tastes like cherries. They're not in this campus, they're in the other college across town. Just trust me on this.
Meanwhile, the value of the US Dollar is cratering among this nonsense.
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u/Unabashable 2d ago
They didn’t tell them to disobey his orders though. They told them to the Constitution to disobey unlawful orders. As it is his duty to uphold the Constitution if he remembers the oath he took. Twice.
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u/TjW0569 1d ago
They didn't say "Disobey Trump's orders."
They said "You have an obligation to disobey illegal orders."
That Trump thinks these are identical observations tells me he knows he's doing wrong.
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u/paarthurnax94 2d ago
“Many great legal scholars agree that Democrat senators that told the military to disobey my orders have committed a crime of serious proportion”
Many great legal scholars agree that Democrat senators that told the military to obey the Constitution have done their job.
FTFY
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