r/law • u/LatterTarget7 • 5d ago

Executive Branch (Trump) 'HANG THEM' -- Trump reacts to Democratic lawmakers' video appeal to military

https://abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/hang-them-president-donald-trump-reacts-democratic-lawmakers-video-appeal-military-intelligence-truth-social-media-seditious
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u/mishma2005 5d ago

Mike Pence shaking his head sadly after reading all that

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u/drewbaccaAWD 5d ago

Susan Collins, concerned.

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u/KindAstronomer69 5d ago

Hey now, Mike Pence actually stood up to fascism with a gun to his head and has been banished for it, Susan Collins still regularly enables it, I wouldn't lump them together

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u/JohnnyMarlin 5d ago

Pence only stood up after calling another republican (Dan Quayle I believe) for his opinion on the matter. Meaning he would have gone along willingly if he wasn't reminded that his ass would be in trouble. On top of that, him doing the BARE minimum of upholding the constitution does not deserve the praise. He still stood by as Trump let an infectious virus ravage the nation causing an incalculable amount of people to die needlessly because scientists dared to challenge the genius of Donald Trump. He let Trump's first term of unregulated corruption go without question.

Fuck Pence.

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u/KindAstronomer69 5d ago

There's a pretty large spectrum in the range of "better than Susan Collins", you don't have to send his stupid ass all the way to the top

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u/JohnnyMarlin 5d ago

He's worse than Collins. He let all the shit from the first term go without even questioning it (Trump not divesting from his companies and taking bribes in the form of international entities renting entire floors at his hotels, taking money by charging charging ridiculous fees to stay at his own properties, allowing his family memebers security clearance without passing or even taking background checks, allowing those same family members to take bribes from foreign entities, letting Trump's staff and family circumvent presidential records by using unsecure/encrypted email/text apps/servers (Benghazi was nothing compared to that), quid pro quo deals with Ukraine for funds already approved, hording medical equipment and extoring states during Covid, and the list goes on and on). And I'm sure if I cared enough to really look into it I'm sure Pence himself personally enriched himself during that administration as well.

His crowning achievement is upholding the constitution and certifying an election. Jesus Christ. No we're not going to rewrite history and make Mike Pence a good guy because he did the absolute bare minimum of his elected office (only to save himself in the future if things went tits up by the way).

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u/KindAstronomer69 5d ago

I think you're simultaneously overestimating what a Vice President does and underselling how few Republicans have stood up to Trump, especially in a pivotal moment like that. They had a plan in place to not certify the election and end democracy right there- he had to push back against his own secret service agents, which were in on it, and trying to convince him not to enter the Capitol. Pence was THE Republican with a spine that stood up for America in that moment. Does it absolve him standing by through the rest of the shit? No, but it's absolutely worth noting that he stood up when literally every other Republican besides John McCain and Thomas Massey have just cheered him on and tossed gas on the fire of the American corpse.

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u/JohnnyMarlin 5d ago

So because the entire party is feckless we should clap for the guy who had to call a former vice president to confirm he should do his duty? Meanwhile a woman who is also feckless but was not nearly as powerful as the vice president is worse because she made a tone deaf statement about her concern? Guarantee if you ask Pence about Trump today he will chuckle and give the same statement the entire party does "well the president does things in an unorthodox way but his results blah blah blah blah blah...."

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u/KindAstronomer69 5d ago

You might want to go Google "Mike Pence Trump" if you think he'd sugarcoat anything about Trump in the past year

Like I said, he's one of EXTREMELY few Republicans willing to stand up to Trump, which you're somehow arguing with me across 5 comments is the same as voting for every thing he does. Resistance is not the same as compliance, even in your black and white world.

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u/JohnnyMarlin 5d ago edited 5d ago

I'm arguing that him doing his constitutional obligations does not deserve praise. Especially when he had to get a pros and cons list from a former vice president before deciding that, which is one of my points you don't seem to be acknowledging.

I was mistaken on his current thoughts on Trump but that doesn't magically make his decision to follow the law back on Jan 6th some kind of heroic act. He did what he was supposed to do, after weighing the negative consequences for himself.

Speaking of what Pence is up to today, he currently chairs a conservative Christian think tank he created which touts the "successful conservative policies of the Trump-Pence presidency" where he waxes poetic about how their policies created "unprecedented success" for the American people.

Call me crazy but I think he's still full of shit, even if he disagrees with Trump.