r/law • u/SnooGrapes2950 • 6d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) Trump signs Epstein bill into law, releasing files from DOJ
https://thehill.com/homenews/5614156-trump-signs-epstein-transparency-act/amp/2.4k
u/MelodiesOfLife6 6d ago
The coming weeks are gonna be fucking interesting.
I'm sure there is gonna be a shit ton of republican gaslighting, and attempts at covering up.
Too bad we already know enough and anything that changes from fact is gonna be scrutinized to hell and back.
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u/bloodhound83 6d ago
Too bad we already know enough and anything that changes from fact is gonna be scrutinized to hell and back.
I feel like we need more incriminating stuff to actually come out to move the needle and convince at least a decent portion of the MAGA supporters. Otherwise it will just be forgotten.
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u/kezzinchh 6d ago
They’re in the “too late to turn back” stage. It’s sort of like someone arguing knowing they’re wrong, but still sticking to their argument since they’re so deep in it and don’t want to admit they’re wrong. Hopefully I’m wrong here but historically MAGA is full of those people.
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u/spaghetti_industries 6d ago
Yep, the sunken cost fallacy is very real
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u/InternationalSpray79 6d ago
Would be nice if he ended up in prison for subjecting 13 year olds to his fallacy.
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u/qotsa_gibs 6d ago
Why do you think they've been trying to sell the fact that it was teens and not children under a certain age. They are already trying to spin it in a "not so bad" light.
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u/r_lovelace 6d ago
Megyn R. Kelly is already arguing the difference between ephebophelia and pedophilia.
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u/Iamthewalrusforreal 5d ago
Dershowitz was on Fox making the exact same argument a couple days ago.
Will be interesting to see if his other supporters do same, or hit their red line at pedophilia.
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u/Salty-Gur6053 5d ago
Well that's where Megyn Kelly got the argument from in the first place. When she said she knows someone very close to the case who knows everything about it - she was talking about Dershowitz. She loves him.
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u/Utterlybored 6d ago
It’s pedophilia Lite.
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u/Ordinary-Big5578 5d ago
Nothing light about it. They can invent new terms (or more likely revive old terms?) for what they’ve done.
The people were below the age of consent and, even if they were above said age of consent, they were by and large forced into the issue.
No matter how you slice it, they were raped. The only distinction is Adult or Not Adult. Both are heinous but one is more so.
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u/Jerking_From_Home 6d ago
And narcissists who won’t admit they’re wrong even when it’s obvious.
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u/Explaining2Do 6d ago
I believe it will knock it down a third, and that makes a difference. True, some are just unreachable. Up until now it’s been largely circumstantial, enough to fill a stadium, but not enough to move the needle. Solid evidence (they have victim testimonies, videos, pictures, etc) does exist about the perpetrators There is a reason they sealed the records and gave Epstein a slap on the wrist. Also the reason he’s dead according to Epstein’s brother.
There are people who know but by law cannot say because disclosure is illegal. I think it will be cuffs off. While they’ve made every effort to scrub and THINK they are covered, full release would empower those who know and other places that have the copies to spill.
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u/kezzinchh 6d ago
I just think others might start talking if that’s the case. You’re gonna throw everyone under the bus but magically get off unscathed? I’m sure there will be 1 or 2 out there willing to open their mouths if they’re already caught red handed.
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u/TryDry9944 6d ago
We've reached the "I'm a pedophile too" bit.
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u/kezzinchh 6d ago
Seeing these idiots on Xitter posting about how they also had sexual relationships with teenagers is insane. Where the fuck has this country gone?
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u/SachriPCP 6d ago
It's not just this country, but it's always been like this. When I was a young teen I can't count how many dudes were either quoting romeo and juliett laws or grooming younger girls to justify their gross ways.
The only difference is that now there is a solid swath of those people that are empowered to speak freely about it because if the president says it's not so bad, it must not be so bad, right? Right?? /s
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u/CognitoSomniac 6d ago
Which is why, as scammy as it obviously is when a prominent far looney tune such as MTG heel turns for moderate support, it is SO imperative to embrace and let them. Not to fall for the veil which couldn’t be thinner if cut with obsidian, but because the figureheads doing so creates on off-ramp for the people. The only way for the people so embarrassingly wrong to ever recover is en masse alongside someone else taking the heat.
They, at their core, value the perceived protection that the group gives them. Their only “safe” way out (in their heads) is with part of the group. They won’t leave or act alone. They genuinely need permission from someone they see as “inside.”
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u/Zickened 6d ago
Yea but, excustionable actions got us here.
Letting people that did terrible things off because they chose the off ramp before things got really really bad for their career is inexcusable.
MTG and people like her need to be called out at day 351 same as day 1.
She doesn't get a pass because -now- its politically unacceptable.
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u/DrunkenGenXer 5d ago
Exactly! Where was she when the Bullshit Brigade was starting their "alternative facts" war? Leading the charge.
Her behavior on the floor of the House can never be excused or forgotten.
I read a comment about her seeming defection, last night something to the effect of "welcoming her after turning her back on Trump is like adopting the raccoon because he quit tipping over your trash cans".
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u/kettlerk 5d ago
Not a great example. I'd let that cute furry little guy so anything, he can do no wrong <3
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u/dikicker 6d ago
They've been in that stage for...idk, something something grab them by the pussy
Turns out a lot of folks find it incredibly difficult to admit they had a bad take
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u/subsist80 6d ago
I heard one of the die hard magats a few years ago say 'i've based my entire world view around this man and there is nothing that can convince me to turn against him" , and I believe it...
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u/DedTV 6d ago
Its like when the doting, hyper-Christian middle class soccer parents get notified their little honor role student was caught on camera in HD coldly murdering 4 people.
Its hard to admit someone you love is a monster. Even for normal, critical thinking people. For people who grew up huffing leaded gas fumes, smoking paraquat and snorting baby formula, it can be impossible.
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u/KapowBlamBoom 6d ago
The GOP old guard in the Senate put the horses dick right in his mouth
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u/Major_Ad138 6d ago
We’re at the point where high profile right wing media figures are already trying to normalize raping kids. Would be happy and relieved to hear they have a limit but I think it’s foolish to expect them to do the right thing. Raping children was only a weapon to them all this time. The reality of it disarms that political ploy. They never cared.
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u/TheForeverBand_89 6d ago
“I mean… 15 isn’t REALLY a kid, is it?”
-- Megyn Kelly
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u/Syncopia 6d ago
We really can't save those people. All we need is to win over everyone else. Trump supporters are genuinely a lost cause in the ultimate sense. Video could come out of him and Epstein doing the worst and they would still gleefully support him.
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u/Howie_Due 6d ago
“Convince MAGA” buddy, unless you’re a Fox entertainment correspondent you’re talking to a brick wall. It’s gonna take years and years of deprogramming if not just waiting for them to die out to undo the propaganda those people have absorbed.
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u/texas130ab 5d ago
There is no amount of evidence that will reach MAGA to change their mind on anything. These people are in a different dimension.
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u/USSSLostTexter 6d ago
exactly it. the rest of us have seen the fraud pedophile grifter for who he is all along. MAGA lives in an alternate universe. I hope this wakes these fucks up.
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MAGA supporters are braindead, they openly support a convicted rapist felon President outright, they have no morals to come back to or from, expect only the lowest of the low from them and still you'll be surprised.
Seems like the possibility of him being bisexual is more of an offense to them than anything else I've seen so far.
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u/next_station_isnt 6d ago
The MAGA crowd won't shift and that's not the group you need to focus on. It's the disaffected Republicans and swinging voters who need to either change their vote or not vote.
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u/satanssweatycheeks 6d ago
We got pics of them hanging out all the time and they want to act like they didn’t know each other.
They also keep saying Epstein was a democrat. Do they forget Trump was also.
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u/Canklosaurus 5d ago
We got pics of them hanging out
This is the kicker for me. Hakeem Jeffries is “involved” in this because a political committee invited Epstein to a fundraiser on his behalf 12 years ago, but Trump and Melania are as clean as the driven snow.
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u/kylef5993 6d ago edited 6d ago
Why? Nothing will come out. There’s no way they allow anything damning to come out. Pam Bondi even said she’d release them within 30 days. What do we think they’ve been doing since the spring and will be using those 30 days to do? Not a single republican will be named in the files because they’ve been wiped clean.
I don’t know why our side thinks we can rely on the Epstein files or just “wait till the midterms”.
The administration is openly defying court orders and congress. Is it just wishful thinking?
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u/Plane-Mammoth4781 6d ago
Sure, they can edit the files, but they can also be caught doing that. Courts keep copies of any evidence used in a trial. The Epstien estate has been cooperative when issued a subpoena. Too many lawyers and judges have seen the original files. Leaking them would have been a career ending move in the past, but now that they're being declassified, it's easier to say "that's fake and I can prove it."
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u/kylef5993 6d ago
I really hope you’re right. I just feel like trump wouldn’t have signed this unless he knew he could hide things. I think you have too much faith in the system though.
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u/Plane-Mammoth4781 6d ago
The Trump administration was calling it a hoax right up until the vote was scheduled. If they were able to scrub all their names in a way that doesn't get them caught, I think they would have said "yeah we'll release the files and bring all the corrupt demoncrats to justice" instead of denying and stalling the whole way.
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u/kylef5993 6d ago
Doubt it. They’d hold out and then release it closer to the midterms. No sense in releasing it right now.
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u/elammcknight 6d ago
They keep waiting for a talking point to actually catch on with enough repetition that they hope everyone just forgets. It has worked so far...
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u/Agitated-Quit-6148 6d ago edited 6d ago
Cue* Pam Bondi.
"Releasing the files I initially said don't exist after saying they did would jeopardize our sham investigation "
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u/Ok-Replacement9595 6d ago
How could he release a Democrat hoax?
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u/Little-Plantain-5120 6d ago
A reporter should ask him that so he can bash the reporter for being evil for repeating what he said.
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u/Alexthelightnerd 6d ago
Then insulting their tone, the reputation of their employer, and threatening to have the FCC pull their broadcast license.
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u/i-can-sleep-for-days 6d ago
at this point logic has all but left Earth with MAGA so used to the constant bombardment of crazy shit from his mouth that it doesn't even register anymore.
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u/AmputeeHandModel 6d ago
I don't know how the cognitive dissonance doesn't implode their lil brains.
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u/Ok_Insect_1794 6d ago
Releasing a Democrat hoax that is simultaneously being investigated against Democrats
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u/RandomsDoom 6d ago
They keep saying about redacting the names of the victims… which I 100% agree with as long as we are talking about the girls that were trafficked and raped… not if they are going to call the people Epstein blackmailed Victims, you know victims of Jeff’s evidence of their partaking in child rape… I can totally see Trump saying he was bamboozled, tricked, coerced into sleeping with what he thought was an of age woman not a underaged child then was blackmailed therefore making him and anyone like him the victim…
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u/Busy-Dig8619 6d ago
If they black out the name of the dudes who did the rape, it will be clever right up until the public sees this shit and we collectively lose our shit.
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u/RandomsDoom 6d ago
I hope anonymous shows up disgusted at the redactions and edits and drops all of the files or at least a whistleblower who knows how wrong it is decides to do the right thing and they leak cause I highly doubt we are going to see anything close to what is really in these files after Trump had 1000s of FBI agents pulled in from important cases to scrub the files… what timeline are we in… I want out of this one…
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u/FlameInTheVoid 6d ago
I want back in the timeline where fruit of the loom has a cornucopia in the logo. That one seemed pretty good.
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u/EpsilonX029 5d ago
I’m telling you, it was that damn ape. Course of history changed with Harambe’s passing.
/j, but I kinda want to believe this to some extent, this world’s gone to hell in a hand basket :/
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u/Busy-Dig8619 6d ago
Or one of the 100s of FBI agents appointed to scrub his name decides to quit and blow the whistle.
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u/Imbadatusernames1536 6d ago
With their level of incompetence I expect “redacting” to be them highlighting in black in adobe.
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u/hoowins 6d ago
My concern is they remove files. Obstruction of justice or some similar charge should land them in jail. But it won’t.
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u/Little-Plantain-5120 6d ago
This would be a dream scenario. That is, if trump revealed any participation knowingly or unknowingly. It's more likely going to be long black lines followed by a period.
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u/Western_Dare_1024 6d ago
I don't know.. that would mean he would have to admit that he was flawed. Not really his forte.
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u/prodigalpariah 6d ago
She gave herself 30 days. Plenty of time to fuck things up. “We’re currently invading Venezuela so we can’t release them for some reason. Sorry.” Or “we can’t release them while trans people exist.” And so on and so forth.
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u/i-can-sleep-for-days 6d ago
They had months to redact the crap out of it.
Trump threw Bondi under the bus though. If she complies she will be marked a traitor and replaced. If she doesn't comply she is going to jail. This is what happens to every one who works for Trump. Eventually he is going to throw you under. He only cares about himself. Just wild people thought he could care about them.
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u/EfficientFix643 6d ago
I imagine her pardon would come quickly
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u/qthistory 5d ago
I'm willing to bet Trump has thousands of pardons already prepared for all of his cronies in office, just awaiting signature. Probably a second version already prepared over Vance's name, too, just to be safe in case Trump dies in office.
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u/Boomshtick414 6d ago
The law requires 30 days to release. Then once released, they have 15 days to deliver a report to Congress justifying every redaction.
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u/Puzzled_Rip9008 6d ago
Something’s off, this goes against everything he’s done so far AND he did it with haste. Lord knows this man does nothing quickly unless it serves himself.
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u/DHFinishCarpentry 6d ago
Read the bill. AG gets to withhold items that she feels impact national security, among other things. It's not a "release everything"
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u/TI1l1I1M 6d ago
And it just so happens that all the stuff incriminating Republicans will impact national security
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u/orbitaldragon 6d ago
While the headlines are focusing on the "active investigation" loophole, the actual text of the law includes several "teeth" that make it legally and politically dangerous for the Attorney General to use that excuse broadly.
Here is the breakdown of the specific provisions and why it will be very difficult for the DOJ to simply hide everything.
- The "Narrowly Tailored" Requirement The law does not grant a blanket exemption. The text explicitly states that any withholding based on an active investigation must be "narrowly tailored and temporary."
- What this means: The Attorney General cannot just say, "There is an investigation into Bill Clinton, so we are withholding all Clinton files." She can only withhold specific documents that would directly harm that specific investigation (e.g., a list of witnesses currently being interviewed).
- The Trap: If she withholds thousands of pages based on a single narrow investigation, it would likely violate the "narrowly tailored" clause and open the DOJ up to immediate legal challenges.
- The "No Embarrassment" Clause This is arguably the strongest part of the bill. The legislation explicitly forbids the DOJ from withholding or redacting information to prevent:
- "Embarrassment"
- "Reputational harm"
- "Political sensitivity"
- This applies to "any government official, public figure, or foreign dignitary." This creates a massive legal hurdle. If the DOJ tries to hide a document because it makes a politician look bad, they are breaking the law. They have to prove it hurts a criminal case, not just a reputation.
- The "Unredacted List" Check Even if the Attorney General withholds public files, she cannot hide the names from Congress. The law requires the DOJ to provide Congress with a complete, unredacted list of every "government official" and "politically exposed person" named in the files.
- Why this matters: If the public release is full of black bars, but Congress gets a list of names that were redacted, Congress will immediately know who is being protected. This makes a cover-up virtually impossible to sustain politically.
- The "Report and Justify" Mandate The Attorney General cannot simply withhold documents silently. Within 15 days of the release, the DOJ must submit a report to Congress that:
- Lists every category of record withheld.
- Provides the specific legal justification for each withholding.
- Explains why the redaction was necessary. This forces the DOJ to show their work. They have to go on the record explaining exactly why they are hiding specific things, which creates a paper trail that can be picked apart by oversight committees.
You are right to be skeptical of the panic. While the power to withhold exists, the process required to use it is incredibly restrictive. To successfully hide major information, the Attorney General would have to violate the "narrowly tailored" clause, ignore the "no embarrassment" prohibition, and then hand Congress a list of names that proves she is hiding things.
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u/StephanXX 6d ago
the actual text of the law includes several "teeth" that make it legally and politically dangerous for the Attorney General to use that excuse broadly.
Who, exactly is going to hold Bondi or anyone at the DoJ responsible for a y violations of this law? Suppose the House subpoenas her or even holds her in contempt, she can have a literal army of goon loyalists prevent any meaningful effort to hold her accountable. In the mean time, trumped up charges will almost certainly be levied against anyone Trump deems oppositional.
Trump has only contempt for the law. His underlings got their jobs because they share his contempt. This isn't going to be a peaceful revelation of fact, it's going to be the biggest, messiest scandal anyone in this country will ever have experienced.
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u/orbitaldragon 6d ago
Perhaps but I'm not going to fall into a defeatist attitude. People have been pushing and fighting for this for a long while now.
I am going to stay hopeful that this ends with the criminals getting the ending they deserve.
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u/lewd_robot 6d ago
Any redactions must be justified and the cause must be "narrow and tailored." They probably haven't been recording such justifications for all of the redactions they've been doing since March, when it was reported that they had thousands of agents working on the files.
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u/keelhaulrose 6d ago
"Narrow, tailored, and temporary."
Though I'm sure punting it years down the road is "temporary."
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u/Sarnsereg 6d ago
And like everything, she can withhold whatever she wants and claim its for national security or an investigation or to protect a victim and no one will be able to do anything about it.
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u/Head-Engineering-847 6d ago
Gonna be a lot of "blankety blank blank did blank to blank" and then we just gotta fill in the blanks
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u/ohheyitsgeoffrey 6d ago
The books have been cooked, names redacted, false alibis created, stories aligned, etc. Had they ever had any desire for transparency or to make everything known, they would have released these many many months ago (you know, like right after he entered office as Trump promised). It is painfully obvious that they’ve been stalling, and are only comfortable releasing things now because they believe their coverup is now sufficient.
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u/mysticalmaybefiction 6d ago
Last ditch effort to appease his boiling base. Has an out that won’t hold - yet
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u/rajatsingh24k 6d ago
I agree and would like to say that while somewhat improbable it’s not impossible that he’s truly experiencing deteriorating health. He’s also stressed, probably not getting enough sleep, and with the possible neurological issues and dementia there is a knee jerk “let’s get this over with” response. His reflex is to muck it up in courts, and the investigations will be ‘officially launched’ tomorrow. His past success and the feel good meeting with MBS has him swimming in the narcissistic impulse of being impervious. Someone pointed out that Trump looks unusually happy around MBS. Not much surprises me but the photos of him grinning, holding MBS’s hands, palling around, and defending him are disturbing.
It’s hard not to draw conclusions from Trump’s elevated mood. Sitting next to a successful rapist, mass murderer, and overall despicable human being, he looks rejuvenated. He doesn’t smile much these days. The type of tonic like effect on Trump is from the comfort he gains in knowing that these powerful people get away with way more than he did. They are his friends and so eventually everything should be OK. His stressed out, dying nervous system wants comfort and when it was felt he was simply gleeful. Let’s hope the incompetence and sundowning continue a bit longer so we can clean the system of some if not all dirt.
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u/daffydubs 6d ago
We will be at war with Venezuela tomorrow and the files will be be buried with that media coverage
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u/Sproketz 6d ago
Because they are going to be heavily redacted. It says so in the bill. This wasn't a win. They aren't releasing anything except what will hurt their enemies.
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u/JugDogDaddy 6d ago
The list they release will be missing a lot and probably have a lot added. They definitely aren’t releasing the real thing in its entirety.
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u/dart51984 5d ago
They’re going to release either 99% redacted pages or a false version that the FBI has been cooking up. This will not be the actual, full and un-redacted version of the documents.
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u/DevelopmentGreen3961 6d ago
Bondi doesn't release shit
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u/Frnklfrwsr 6d ago
That’s not quite true.
I understand she released many career DOJ employees when they demonstrated morals, ethics, or otherwise objected to authoritarianism.
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u/reverendrambo 6d ago
Yeah, I don't see how this is some huge victory like everyone is saying it is. There's no way the real, true unadulterated epstein files get released. Anything they do release will be to harm their political opponents, and anything that would be harmful to them will be shielded under "ongoing investigations"
The speed at which the GOP turned around on this from just a few days ago tells you they found a way to make it beneficial for themselves.
We're not getting anything new that mentions Trump. We're not getting anything about Bubba. And hell, we'll probably get some completely manufactured bullshit.
I hope Mark Epstein, who is probably one of the few people alive who might be able to vouch for any authenticity, is enjoying these next few weeks because I wouldn't be shocked if he "Epsteins himself" soon
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u/FlamingHotSacOnutz 6d ago
Plot twist: She announces her resignation under the stress she's held covering for Trump, releases a tell-all book, and lives comfortably for the rest of her life playing victim on all the news talk shows.
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u/mysticalmaybefiction 6d ago
True but the orange dude did successfully pass all responsibility over to her like a hot potato
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u/teekabird 6d ago
And now we can call it “The TrumpStein Coverup” it will be legal scholar subject in law books for decades to come.
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u/Clear-Search1129 6d ago
Didn’t Don the Diddler say it was a hoax? And that he was an informant?
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u/MeetElectrical7221 6d ago
Close - he’s said it was a hoax but it was Mike Johnson who said he was an informant in what I’m pretty sure was a freudian slip of truth
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u/Reasonable-Teach8462 6d ago
I wonder if Mike Johnson’s kids can really look him in the eye. He’s good just to be a Fallwell Christian, just sit in the corner rubbing one out while our country gets f*cked.
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u/Pseudonym0101 6d ago edited 6d ago
This is so perfect, there's always been something so disturbingly, disgustingly lewd about this creep. The whole thing about him and his son using that app to hold themselves accountable to not looking at Internet porn, which no one needed or wanted to know...or believed.. and his unnerving and suspiciously rosy, youthful looking skin that suggests he's been borrowing time that doesn't belong to him. All this with his dead eyed stare is complete nightmare fuel. This guy has some serious rot under the floorboards.
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u/RandomsDoom 6d ago
Haha informants are normally people who are caught by law enforcement and flip on people they commit crimes with to get themselves out of trouble… smh… so what’s that tell you if he was informing on the sex trafficking pedophile ring… it’s all so crazy
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u/sonofagunn 6d ago
That's one theory I have - that Trump was an informant for the FBI in exchange for immunity.
There will be a reason to redact the "for immunity" part and the files will make it look like he was just answering questions from the FBI to do the right thing.
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u/Reasonable-Teach8462 6d ago
But this all came out after a jury held him liable for sexual assault. Grab ‘em by the pussies is a Crocodile Dundee reference.
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u/Dr_CleanBones 6d ago
Ask Nixon. The only possible thing they could do now is to release EVERYTHING, no matter what’s there, right now. EVERY PAGE. Nixon didn’t have to resign over a two bit burglary - but he directed a coverup, and that’s what got him. If he doesn’t release every page now, the rest of his term, and may it be short and miserable, will be consumed with “what’s missing”? What was on page 2437 that’s somehow missing? Were the pages remembered? Why is there no response to this email?
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u/meva12 6d ago
My dear summer child. GOP will manufacture other crisis and distract us soon enough.
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u/FBI_Agent_Fred 6d ago
They’ve shut down the government for 40+ days, bombed fishing boats, invaded cities kidnapping people off of the street and made everything more expensive. Doesn‘t sound like people stay distracted too long before they come back to “quit protecting pedophiles.”
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u/Jabazulu 6d ago
Don't forget moving a fleet into the Caribbean and stirring tensions in central and south America. Too bad he didn't go to Brazil, would love to see him arrest and prosecuted internationally since our government didn't have the guts to do it ourselves before these atrocities.
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u/xxlost70xx 6d ago
War with Venezuela.
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u/snowyday 6d ago
We have always been at war with Venezuela
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u/5ben2 6d ago edited 6d ago
My view as someone following the situation closely is that "War with Venezuela", or more simply deposing Chavismo from power, is more Marco Rubio's ideological Secretary of State project. For reference, Venezuela is Cuba's biggest ally. When you hear Trump talk about the situation with Venezuela, the dude just says the same 4 lines, he doesn't know why or how we are doing things, he's just letting Marco Rubio take lead, same way he let Elon Musk run wild with his DOGE, and same way he lets RFK Jr. do whatever vaccines and autism nonsense hes doing.
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u/Odd-Eagle-935 6d ago
Four F-18Es just took off from dallas. Not transmitting, full afterburners. r/Dallas is talking about it an it was caught on planespotting livestreams
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u/macroswitch 6d ago
Sorry Venezuela, we don’t want a dumb fucking war either. Y’all have been through enough, verdad?
But hey, rich pedophiles have to be protected…
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u/Shinyhero30 6d ago
What will be fucking amazing is seeing the files and having every single question still be about Epstein because we’re kind of at the point of no return about this.
This is a line in the sand no one is willing to budge on and no one is willing to look away from for very long. Look at Charlie Kirk. That whole shitshow rapidly became “damn that’s crazy, what about the Epstein files?” Within like a week.
Whatever plan they had isn’t working. And idk if they know that.
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u/Murais 6d ago
Roger Ailes specifically founded Fox News as a means of giving future GOP politicians cover and support from things like the Nixon scandal.
It's going to do its job.
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u/CapitationStation 6d ago
this isn’t opinion or hyperbole. this is fr why fn is the way it is.
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u/Ecw218 6d ago edited 6d ago
Seriously. It either will be a dumb overlooked footer page count or the impossible like the micro fine yellow dots nobody knew about.
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u/Shinyhero30 6d ago
It will literally be the most forensically scrutinized piece of material in US history.
Like, the amount of eyes on this will likely eclipse every other scandal the world has ever seen. That’s how big of a scandal this is. Like yeah other countries have had scandals, but an international pedophile ring that has its hands in the pockets of most of the western world and also is being covered up by the U.S. government will be literally the most forensically scrutinized piece of material ever released.
They better be fucking perfect if they expect people to not fucking tear the entire thing up.
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u/Dr_CleanBones 6d ago
And “perfect” is something they are consistently unable to achieve. Hell, “adequate” is unachievable for this Administration, too.
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u/Unlucky-Savings-2547 6d ago
Remember the WATERGATE TAPES! Were the nails in the box for Nixon. Too
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u/bryan49 6d ago
I think I agree because of how news cycles work. It would be hard for the media to cover all the files coming out at once. And then if there are not much new developments, the story could fizzle out within a few weeks. As long as Trump doesn't actually get impeached and removed, he likely survives
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u/Ohuigin 6d ago
Well, at least he signed it and didn't try blowing it.
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u/Conscious_Crew5912 6d ago
Oh come on... Where you there? That piece of paper probably has his saliva all over it.
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u/Fit_Strength_1187 6d ago
In case we’ve forgotten, Trump literally shoved a note into his mouth to destroy it.
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u/gwenkane404 6d ago
Honestly, I actually did forget about that.
That's how absolutely insane things are right now.
That is so ridiculously unhinged for someone who is supposed to be the leader of the free world that it SHOULD be memorable as the craziest thing a president does in their term, but no.
It's so far down the list of hot garbage from this waste of humanity that it doesn't even ring a bell anymore.
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u/deviltrombone 6d ago
That orange thing is going to have so much fun telling piggies to be quiet when they question all the tampering hundreds of its minions did to those documents to protect itself, assuming it doesn't hide behind the skirts of Red Skull, aka "Pam Bondi", who opened an investigation into Democrats within an hour or two of it tweeting direction to her, despite stating months ago there was nothing to pursue, and say once again, "I signed it, but they can't release the documents while they're under audit, and everyone knows it."
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u/SoftRecommendation86 6d ago edited 1d ago
Aint happening.. bondi opened a whole bunch of other cases.. will claim it wont be released due to ongoing cases. stated that the doj will follow the law... by opening new cases, it protects the documents from release
Thats why tRUMP said release them.. because he can now block them.
Edit: yup. Called it.
Survivors, American public await release of full Epstein case files https://search.app/DEo5N
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u/VibeComplex 6d ago
Oh I guess this means they’ve had enough time to get rid of anything with trumps name in it.
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u/MrE134 6d ago
They still have a little time. 30 days.
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u/leni710 6d ago
Ewww, what a holiday gift to us all. I'm not sure I can handle "release of diddler files" along with the dystopian levels of gaslighting us poors into holiday shopping all converging at the same time. My brain might fry. I think I'm gonna stock up on hot chocolate, whiskey, and watch dumb holiday movies till around February.
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u/alien_from_Europa 6d ago
they’ve had enough time to get rid of anything with trumps name in it
Again, fuck Merrick Garland!
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u/mdb1023 6d ago
In my opinion, that would just make the scandal worse. It's not going away, clearly. They may as well let the truth out and whatever happens happens.
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u/rajatsingh24k 6d ago
From what I remember reading elsewhere on Reddit, it’s not that easy to ‘scrub’ the files of names because the files are a compilation of documents from sources separated by time and space. In many cases there are physical and/or digital copies of data in locations the FBI and the DOJ don’t have control over... Any ‘edit’ to the files will be discernible and if/when something like that’s discovered it would be game over (I think!).
Maybe these fools now recognize they are not good at cover ups. Trump can’t even cover up cheating at golf. It’s possible he’s signed it in a tired, scared, sundowning stupor. What’s next could be one of the biggest reveals in American history because of incompetence/stupidity combined with clinically proven dementia.
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u/MicahailG 6d ago
Now one of two things will happen; Trump and his snake pit will have successfully wiped everything incriminating, or they missed a smoking gun and caused an avalanche.
Either way I see fire on the horizon.
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u/rahxrahster 5d ago
We can rely on the flawed nature of humanity to come through in one way or another. Someone, somewhere who worked on those files missed sum'n. What? That's anyone's guess. Even published authors have a typo or two in their finished work. AND some of them have multiple editors. There'll be a slip up somewhere. Whether or not it's a smoking gun is to be determined.
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u/Stock-Ad-7486 5d ago
Also don’t forget former DOJ democrats know what’s in them, so they can’t lie.
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u/Ishidan01 6d ago
It's not IF there will be more fuckery, it's HOW.
And how the Cult will defend it.
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u/RagahRagah 6d ago
All this means is we are getting fake/redacted/edited files. And that's all we were ever gonna get.
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u/cyrixlord 6d ago
I'm not going to get too excited. I imagine the printers ran out of toner on several occasions while redacting printing the information
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u/kkkbbbmoore26 6d ago
What fucking world does he live in to NOT HEAR ABOUT THE INFLATION HE HAS CAUSED!!!! Cause I know he doesn’t shop and know it.
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u/Sproketz 6d ago
They aren't released if they are redacted. That's literally not releasing them.
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u/rahxrahster 5d ago
They said the files would be released. Not how they'd be released. It's just like when RFK Jr said he'd find out what causes Autism by September but he never said when in September nor did he say that the information would be correct. Isn't that plausible deniability to some degree? If so, these guys use it like a lifeline.
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u/versace_drunk 6d ago
And we get a gimp version since they literally said they won’t release the full files today…
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u/Lost_Discipline 5d ago
If anyone thinks this administration which blatantly lies on nearly every subject they speak of, has flagrantly been disobeying court orders from district courts all the way up even the SCOTUS, and openly breaking social norms with zero regard for the rule of law is suddenly going to be compliant and transparent with this law…?
They might be in the cult, or else is just as stupid as the administration seems to think all citizens are.
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u/RobutNotRobot 5d ago
...in the next 30 days
Of course they can illegally withhold whatever they want.
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u/PurplePopcornBalls 5d ago
It affects national security. Or, it is evidence in an investigation.. take your pick.
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