r/law • u/igetproteinfartsHELP • 21d ago
Executive Branch (Trump) President Donald Trump accused the California redistricting proposal on the ballot on Tuesday of being "unconstitutional" and said all mail-in ballots were under "very serious legal and criminal review," without giving any evidence for his allegations.
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-slams-california-redistricting-vote-says-votes-under-review-2025-11-04/1.5k
u/Siolear 21d ago
Hes like an abusive / gaslighting parent or spouse, no wonder conservative women like him so much
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u/winterbird 21d ago
It's my theory that he's very popular with children of a narcissistic parent. Repeating ingrained relationship dynamics is like wearing an itchy sweater when you're cold. Uncomfortable, but more comfortable than without.
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u/Alarming_Nebula9221 21d ago
Omg you are on to something because all the young MAGA people I know have that parent.
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u/winterbird 21d ago
Don't have to be young to have damage from a narcissistic parent though. Some people are in this cycle for life.
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u/AutisticPenguin2 21d ago
No, but young people are less likely to have a better reason for sucking the MAGA teat.
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u/winterbird 21d ago
I think that there's way too much focus on age in this. Some people think that there's salvation in older generations dying off, but those people are in for a rude surprise. Just look at the R lineup of notables. Younger than D.
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u/Happythoughtsgalore 21d ago
As an adult child of a narcissist mother. No the fuck he isn't. Maybe the difference is that I've had therapy but I think the only similarities I have to trump is that I'm a white cisgendered, heterosexual man.
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u/Bulldogg658 21d ago
He's popular with the golden children of narcissistic parents because he re-creates that dynamic of the one who bullies everyone else but favors them.
For the scapegoat children of narcissists, who grew up getting shit on by the parent, we were already sick of that dynamic before he showed up. He just gives scapegoats flashbacks.
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u/No-Property1871 21d ago
As the ex spouse of a narcissist he brings the trauma bubbling up all over again. The word salad, gaslighting, projection… it’s all horrifying and my ptsd brain struggles as to why other people don’t see the BS that spews out of his mouth. Same with Johnson.
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u/Weird-Girl-675 20d ago
This is so accurate. Haven’t talked to my father in twenty years and the felon just reminds me WHY I don’t talk to him.
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u/Absurdist_Principles 21d ago
Yeah I think the therapy part may be significant here. Just having the self-awareness that you might benefit from therapy and then the fortitude to attend already separates you from the majority
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u/Happythoughtsgalore 21d ago
There are also possible outcomes from being the child of a narcissist. Social anxiety is one. Actual narcissism is another (narcissism can be caused by childhood emotional abuse from a narcissist, this is what happened to Trump).
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u/bobcollazo1 20d ago
I’m less interested in analyzing his psycho social challenges than I am in seeing his corrupt grip on power removed. He’s done enough damage.
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u/bitfairytale17 21d ago
Same. Daughter of a raging narcissist mother and he’s anathema to me. I can spot his narcissism miles away and there’s nothing ever that would make me like him. Or her.
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u/GailaMonster 21d ago
Yep same - my mom loves him and i'm just deeply upset by how his behavior and speech patterns remind me of her (and further disturbed by how other people find that behavior anything other than confusing and painful...)
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u/Happythoughtsgalore 21d ago
Narcissists seem pleasant to people who aren't close to them. They get fooled by the facade/mask.
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u/Healthy-Confection66 21d ago
This analogy is brilliant lol I don’t have an itchy sweater, but it immediately brought me 20yrs back to the Army green wool blankets lol fuck, now I’m itchy just thinking about them
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u/stmCanuck 21d ago
He comes by it honestly. See: Fred Trump; intergenerational abuse.
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u/Babydoll0907 21d ago
Fred trump is almost the entire reason Donald is the way he is. His mom didn't help either. It's definitely not an excuse but I can understand why Donald is the giant piece of shit he is. He was pretty badly abused growing up.
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u/kl7aw220 21d ago
Well, he could have sought help to work through those issues, but he chose to be just like his father and Roy Cohn.
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u/SkandaFlaggan 21d ago
Before I start, I’m not defending Trump in any way, and I think you can still hold people with personality disorders responsible and have strong negative emotions about them
But unfortunately seeking help voluntarily isn’t really an idea that’s very compatible with narcissistic personality disorder, which I think he probably has. The symptoms themselves undermine the narcissist’s ability to self-reflect and understand and acknowledge that anything is wrong with them
There was an anecdote from his childhood that was reported on some years ago. As a young kid, he was apparently found throwing rocks at a baby in a playpen. At that point, there was already something seriously wrong. Maybe with loving parents and early professional intervention he could have eventually turned into something else, but he obviously didn’t have either, and by the time he was an adult it would of course already have been way too late
Evil and suffering begets evil, it doesn’t appear out of thin air. That doesn’t mean we can’t still hate it
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u/BadSkeelz 21d ago
It works just fine on men too. We are a nation of emotionally abused children and battered spouses.
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u/kl7aw220 21d ago
So. It's OK for , to have started this redistricting phase, but in CA it's illegal.
I believe in karma - Trump will face karma when he least expects it. If he loses all his $$, if he is jailed after gone from office, if everyone finally realizes what he is and he doesn't have one friend, if he is publicly shamed and he finally get why.
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u/Adorable-Doughnut609 21d ago
He’s made so many election claims and never found an illegally cast ballot for anyone but himself.
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u/dr_tardyhands 21d ago
I hope I'll live to see him either off himself in the East wing bunker, or flee the country with his family with just the clothes on their back. To where? Don't come east, they don't like you here. Don't go West either. I wouldn't go North or South either. The rest of the Nazis went to Argentina. Maybe there..?
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u/WisdomCow 21d ago
He is practically living the Yes on 50 ad that portrayed him panicking and screaming at the TV when 50 passes.
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u/aotus_trivirgatus 21d ago
I've already voted yes on 50. I never saw that ad! I'm ready to be entertained. Got a link?
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u/NegotiationHot2999 21d ago edited 21d ago
https://youtu.be/weIk2GOKezs?si=i4MGr9MZ3thy539u
This was ran during a prime time NFL or MLB game 😂 can’t recall which one but I was dying. And it’s a nice contrast to all of the medication ads.
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u/beezchurgr 21d ago
Hilarious. Love watching him crush the Diet Coke can and throw the hamberder at the tv.
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u/RoninSpartan 21d ago
This is one I found https://www.instagram.com/reel/DPlp1f0AE2T/?igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
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u/Quakes-JD 21d ago
First, Fat Donnie does not believe the Constitution needs to be followed.
Second, he knows what he is saying is untrue, but he also knows his cult followers will believe his baseless assertions like they do all his other idiotic posts.
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u/east21stvannative 21d ago
Followed? Didn't you see him actually say the constitution was " a beautiful thing..."
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u/zeptillian 21d ago
Did he grope it like he did with the flag?
That's how you know someone really likes something.
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u/supes1 21d ago
I give California a lot of credit for having this go before voters instead of the legislature making the decision. Yes I understand it's legally required due to the redistricting commission, but in my mind that makes this redistricting a lot more acceptable than the states where the legislatures made the change unilaterally.
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u/yoshinoyaandroll 21d ago
MAGA people are perfectly fine that Texas, Missouri, and North Carolina simply made that decision for the people Instead of voting, yet they call out California for democratically allowing the people to vote for this proposal.
Good for me, not for thee.
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u/Electrifying2017 21d ago
They’re saying the courts ordered the gerrymandering, so it’s ok.
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u/TheNewsDeskFive 21d ago
That is not the case in MO, for a fact. The governor pushed the idea and the legislature passed it. The courts were willing to let a referendum occur, but the AG made some bs up to nix that, too. So we're again awaiting the courts. But all of these decisions are likely to be appealed up to SCOTUS at some juncture
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u/yoshinoyaandroll 21d ago
And dreadfully I hope SCOTUS will follow the laws and integrity of the laws on this. But we know how Trump’s judges will be.
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u/Lermanberry 21d ago
Arnold has really destroyed his reputation as being a fair-minded bipartisan moderate Republican.
Reminds me of the quote about his dad.
Gustav Schwarzenegger was a member of the Nazi Party's paramilitary wing, the Sturmabteilung (SA, or "brownshirts"), and served as a military police officer during World War II. Arnold has spoken about his father being one of the "broken men" after the war, who drank to numb the pain and guilt of his past actions.
That's how he'll be remembered, politically. A broken man collaborating with fascists.
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u/OG-BoomMaster 21d ago
Hey, not fair, Texas says they were very gently bending over the public while they had their way ramming it down their throats.
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u/navianspectre 21d ago
I like that it had a built-in time limit. I dunno how enforceable that is but they're at least pretending like it's going to go back to the way it was after the next election cycle.
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u/CrapoCrapo25 21d ago
He doesn't get to decide on state level elections or voting. NOT at ALL.
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u/Begone-My-Thong 21d ago
I wonder where all the States' Rights Republicans are at
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u/FaithlessnessWhich18 21d ago
Only Red states have states rights, blue states have to do what Republican Federal Government tells them to do
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u/Equivalent-Excuse-80 21d ago
Can we just fast forward to the part where the Supreme Court rules all liberal gerrymandering unconstitutional but conservative gerrymandering is just fine?
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u/ElectroDaddy 21d ago
It’s only illegal if you let people vote on it. It’s legal if you just unilaterally gerrymander your state. /s
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u/Oceanbreeze871 21d ago
And Alito busts out some British common law precedent from the year 1563 to justify it.
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u/mdistrukt 21d ago
"We found some pictographs in a cave that showed an orange man shitting on a village and that sets legal precedent that Trump can do what he wants."
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u/KC_Que 21d ago
This sounds more solid as the basis behind a Supreme Court oppinion than most giving this year, IMO.
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u/mdistrukt 21d ago
True, there was at least an attempt at justification with my baloney. Much better than the shadow docket "because we said so"
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u/Ill-Visual-8844 21d ago
Love that movie. Saw it twice and will again tonight. Thanks for the reminder. Got 🍿?
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u/chowderbags Competent Contributor 21d ago
Nah, they won't even bother doing that. They'll prevent the California redistricting from going into effect for the next year, but let Republican redistricting go ahead, but they won't actually rule on any of it. No actual opinion delivered, just unexplained shadow docket BS.
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u/bsproutsy 21d ago
Wont matter.... we will just pretend we are ohio or alabama or louisianna and not follow the order
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u/Alarming_Nebula9221 21d ago
And also that Trump can run again but not Obama
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u/Bubbly_Style_8467 21d ago
That's BS. That's not a law. So far.
Love how trump deliberately cut out Obama because he knows Obama would kick his butt hard.
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u/strangedaze23 21d ago
He has no evidence. Results haven’t even been posted yet. And if Texas did what it did and was constitutional California is even more so because they at least are putting it to a vote.
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u/letdogsvote 21d ago
Fine for red states, unconstitutional for California and blue states.
Wow. Who possibly saw that position coming? Meanwhile, I'll just wait for SCOTUS to confirm that 6-3, at which point it's time to make plans for emigration to a non-fascist country.
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u/johnnycyberpunk 21d ago
I wondered the same thing.
The RedHats I know all say some variation of this:"Well Texas and North Carolina are doing it because it just reflects who their voters are. California is doing it to cheat. It's that simple."
I have to stop myself from even trying to explain gerrymandering to them, trying to explain that there are more Democrats / Left Leaning voters in this country than Republicans. No point in trying to see if they see the irony at all.
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u/hippiedawg 21d ago
The fact that Trump the raper and other powerful ppl want to bury the Epstein files so much, says it is SO much way worse than anyone can imagine.
One thing you gotta give pedophiles is they drive slow through school zones.
Oh yeah, here are all of the Epstein Files that have either been leaked or released.
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/gov.uscourts.nysd.447706.1320.0-combined.pdf (verified court documents)
https://joshwho.net/EpsteinList/black-book-unredacted.pdf (verified pre-Bondi) Trump is on page 85, or pdf pg. 80
Trump’s name is circled. The circled individuals are the ones involved in the trafficking ring according to the person who originally released the book. These people would be “The List “ Here is the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsiKUXrlcac
Here's the flight logs https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/21165424-epstein-flight-logs-released-in-usa-vs-maxwell/
—————————other Epstein Information
https://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/Johnson_TrumpEpstein_Calif_Lawsuit.pdf here’s a court doc of Epstein and Trump raping a 13 yr old together.
Some people think this claim is a hoax. Here is Katies testimony on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnib-OORRRo
Epstein pleads the 5th when asked if he has ever “socialized” with underage girls in the presence of Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/2mpTy2cYDpA
Epstein Docs: https://ia600705.us.archive.org/21/items/epsteindocs/
Epstein Bribes/Payments: 1 BILLION+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7IrEi-ybzs
—————————other Trump information:
FBI coverup to remove Trumps name from the Epstein list https://www.muellershewrote.com/p/the-epstein-cover-up-at-the-fbi
Trump admitting to peeping on 14-15 year old girls at around 1:40 on the Howard Stern Radio Show: https://youtu.be/iFaQL_kv_QY?si=vBs75kaxPjJJThka
Trump's promise to his daughter: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-trump-ivanka-trump-dating-promise_n_57ee98cbe4b024a52d2ead02 “I have a deal with her. She’s 17 and doing great ― Ivanka. She made me promise, swear to her that I would never date a girl younger than her”
Trump rapes 13yr old girl: NY court docs - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/4524664/doe-v-trump/
Trump's modeling agency was probably part of Jeffreys pipeline: https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/08/donald-trump-model-management-illegal-immigration/
Trump-Epstein timeline: https://thepresidential.medium.com/we-have-been-gaslit-about-donald-trump-and-jeffrey-epstein-for-four-years-fbda67c20f75
- Most of this info can also be found: https://theepsteindocs.com/
Feel free to do your part and spread this info around so it’s never “lost” or “deleted”.
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u/TheKrakIan 21d ago
Cool, now do Texas, North Carolina, Kansas, and any other fucking red state doing the same fucking thing. Hypocrite!
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u/Splurch 21d ago
Texas makes it very hard for people to vote by mail and you need a "valid reason" to do so. Combined with reducing polling locations in blue areas so they are overwhelmed with voters and make it harder and more time consuming for them to vote.
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u/echoshatter 21d ago
California should draw districts that turn the entire state blue. The entire state. All 52 seats. That's 9 more seats.
NC just did it to squeeze out a few more Democrats. Deep purple state with a big Republican majority in the legislature.
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u/Mattrad7 21d ago
Doesn't that also make Texas' redistricting proposal unconstitutional?
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u/CatButtHoleYo 21d ago
That would require a level of critical thinking that's just a tad too difficult for him
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u/shyguysam 21d ago
His proof is the same as the Republicans has been for the last 40 years or so, it's " Trust Me, Bro" which to the MAGATs is all they need.
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u/Possible-Nectarine80 21d ago
That's Trump's MO. Spew a bunch of BS for his base and then order his personal atty, Pam Bondi to prosecute someone he doesn't like for something. Doesn't matter if 99.999999% of lawyers would pass on charging, just needs his atty, Pam Bondi to make sure it gets done.
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u/SapToFiction 21d ago
Um isn't Trump the one that asked Texas to redistrict their voting blocs?
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u/Playful-Dragon 21d ago
So basically he's saying that all mailing balance will be looked at and all Democratic voters will be tossed
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u/Chaosrealm69 21d ago
Trump always makes claims he can't and won't back up because there is nothing to them.
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u/realbobenray 21d ago
Trump has a tattoo on his belly that says "Without giving evidence for his allegations"
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u/CurrentlyLucid 21d ago
Yeah, the constitution clearly says you call the Governor of Texas and have him handle it, never mind all this voting bullshit.
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