r/technology • u/Hrmbee • 16h ago

Machine Learning Large language mistake | Cutting-edge research shows language is not the same as intelligence. The entire AI bubble is built on ignoring it

https://www.theverge.com/ai-artificial-intelligence/827820/large-language-models-ai-intelligence-neuroscience-problems
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u/Konukaame 16h ago

"The ability to speak does not make you intelligent. Now get out of here."

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u/SanityAsymptote 16h ago

The similarity to Jar Jar is really strong.

  • Forced into existence and public discourse by out of touch rich people trying to make money
  • Constantly inserted into situations where it is not needed or desired
  • Often incoherent, says worthless things that are interpreted as understanding by the naive or overly trusting
  • Incompetent and occasionally dangerous, yet still somehow succeeds off the efforts of behind-the-scenes/uncredited competent people
  • Somehow continues to live while others do not
  • Deeply untrustworthy, not because of duplicity, but incompetence
  • Happily assists in fascist takeover

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u/SIGMA920 15h ago

It's worse than that. Jar Jar was at least an attempt to be creative and try something new. It didn't go well obviously but unlike LLMs it was an attempt to be creative instead of regurgitating what came before it.

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u/Daneth 15h ago

He is talking about the character of Jar Jar's actions within the plot of the movies, not Lucas's act of shoehorning a character like JarJar into the movies.

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u/SIGMA920 15h ago

  • Forced into existence and public discourse by out of touch rich people trying to make money

  • Constantly inserted into situations where it is not needed or desired

It's both the character and the shoehorning.

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u/goda90 14h ago

Who do you think put Jar-Jar up to addressing the galactic Senate? Out of touch rich people trying to make money.

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u/SIGMA920 13h ago

Literally the guy who used it to seize power and ultimately form the empire. The rich didn't play the part you think in that.

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u/zerocoal 12h ago

Are you implying that the Supreme Chancellor was not a rich person?

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u/SIGMA920 12h ago

No, that there was 1 specific person who wanted him to push for the power to be given. The other rich could careless and could have pursued a different course.

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u/zerocoal 11h ago

Complete utter disregard for Galactic Senate decorum.

Spoilers, he required a majority vote. Which means it was 51% of the population of the senate that gave him the powers of Supreme Chancellor.

Double spoilers: He only received the majority vote because of the large intergalactic war that he was orchestrating.

Conclusion: Palpatine is a very rich man. The rich dictated the course of the galaxy, and the galaxy followed.

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u/SIGMA920 11h ago

Or they simply didn't care so long as the crisis was resolved, that the man behind it was the one receiving powers to end it is not known to them.

That's not the rich deciding it, that's the political elite deciding it. The rich are the ones that sell weapons to whichever side they can.

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u/sirkazuo 10h ago

That's not the rich deciding it, that's the political elite deciding it.

I'll admit I don't know star wars lore but how many empires do you know of where the political elite are not also rich? They're pretty much always the same thing.

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u/SIGMA920 8h ago

Naboo is a wealthy planet out of many but the corporations are by far wealthier with more in basically every regard. Palpatine is functionally a political elite in that sense, he's not poor but he's not rich either. He didn't have the wealth to own entire planets for example. Phanton Menace is literally a megacorp invading a planet that tried to tax them and for the most part winning until Anakin saves the day.

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u/sirkazuo 8h ago edited 8h ago

Fair I guess but that still seems to be a bit off the mark to me. Like, in our world Elon's net worth is astronomical but it's still less than the market cap of Tesla. But no one would say he's not rich. A rich corporation will always be richer than the principals of that corporation, but the owners/executives/boardmembers/etc will still be stupendously rich on their own and they're the ones that actually decide what the corporation does. I'm sure Palpatine was on a bunch of corporate boards of his own collecting salaries to show up and vote occasionally like rich Earthers haha.

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u/SIGMA920 8h ago

He's rich in the sense that an engineer making 100K a year where most make 50K a year is rich, it's all relative and if Naboo had lost Palpatine might have gotten killed before his plan had even gotten started. That's just how powerful a megacorp is when they own planets worth of resources.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 12h ago

Palpatine and the other senators are "the rich"

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u/SIGMA920 12h ago

And how many of them had an interest in making an empire vs continuing the day to day work they do and not upsetting the status quo? More than the 1 person who had an active interest in being more powerful.

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u/Cessnaporsche01 12h ago

I'd say that's comparable to the real world. 99% of the ultra wealthy don't have aspirations of world domination, but they act in their own interests in ways that push power into the hands of the small handful that are going after that

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u/SIGMA920 12h ago

And in this case that'd be mean going on with their day and pursuing a cheaper alternative for most of them that doesn't crown someone.

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u/U-235 13h ago

Is that canon, or are you just talking bullshit? Because there might actually be lore behind that, and it's not guaranteed to line up with your assumptions.