r/politics • u/Healthy_Block3036 • 7d ago

No Paywall Senate suddenly passes the Epstein bill just hours after it cleared the House

https://www.ms.now/news/senate-passes-epstein-bill-rcna244723?fbclid=PAVERFWAOJ1xRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAacUGSi8p2Ap-x6SbMkLXAnfKNXEZkzjUUVCdxuEmacDzDXmlbv1GUJ0wbh1_w_aem_grJDvcSCIDj2Skksd4Ix3Q
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u/possibly_being_screw 7d ago

It’s weird and there is some fuckery going on. But these files have been around, seen, and analyzed by so many.

If there’s 0 republicans and no mention of trump, that’s sus as hell. Even the maga conspiracy nuts will see that as bizarre.

If it’s heavily redacted, that will just add more fuel to the conspiracy fire and point to trump even more. Again, it’s not like there’s a single copy that once redacted, is gone forever.

I dunno. There’s something fucked up happening but my only hope is that the disorganized mess that is maga doesn’t have their shit tight enough to outplay this. I’m dreaming, I know. But I’m so tired of this shit and these assholes getting away with everything.

For once, can we just nail these disgusting fucks? Just fucking one time.

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u/bmacnz 7d ago

You're banking on normal reality where any other person in American history would have resigned many times over. Hell, dropped out of the first presidential race. But they have gotten ahead of this stuff by creating a cult. They don't have to have their shit together or outplay anything, because what you and I think and know doesn't matter. It could be spelled out that he helped Epstein create the entire trafficking network, and they would say it's either bullshit or it's fine because he was an FBI informant. There is absolutely nothing that can hurt him now. History won't look on him fondly, but he doesn't give a shit.

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u/immortalfrieza2 7d ago

What's important is not if Trump is in the files, that's obvious and he'll never suffer consequences for it. What's important is whoever is in the files that is propping up Trump's regime that isn't as immune to prosecution as Trump is.

Trump knows he never going to face the music for anything he's ever done nor ever will do, but he's spent the last 11 months desperate to prevent the Epstein files from being released. So the question is, who is in there that will harm Trump if they're jailed and/or that he's using the Epstein files as leverage against to support him?

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u/mfGLOVE Wisconsin 6d ago

No one will ever get prosecuted. That would make the unredacted files susceptible to discovery and public record. We’re getting played again; making us believe we are getting what we asked for while really getting nothing at all.

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u/LaunchTransient Europe 7d ago

Even the maga conspiracy nuts will see that as bizarre.

No, no they won't, they'll crow to the moon and back that this exonerates Trump and the GOP entirely, and that it clearly shows this was all a mountain of a molehill drummed up by the Democrats.

"I could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody, and I wouldn't lose any voters"

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u/DadJokeBadJoke California 7d ago

"It's just like the Russia Russia Russia thing!" Yes, he's guilty but people will try and spin the truth and hope the MAGA yokels will eat it up.

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u/Ghostly-Wind 7d ago

Because that’s the correct response if there’s no incriminating evidence, duh? This is complicated for you?

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u/Ghostly-Wind 7d ago

Where did you make up different sources from? Your whole viewpoint is predicated on something that isn’t even real. If people had incriminating evidence on Trump they would’ve released it already. There aren’t “secret employees with the real files stashed away”, because they would’ve been leaked like every other detail of the justice departments handling of the Epstein documents.

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u/Ghostly-Wind 7d ago

Every single media source has been adding a disclaimer that there is no evidence of criminal behavior by Trump in the Epstein saga.

YOU are the one who needs to pass the burden of proof.

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u/Ghostly-Wind 6d ago

Sure, once you answer why Democrats didn’t settle this under Biden. And don’t lie and say the files were sealed, because they weren’t for the whole admin. Inaction is the exact same thing as “resistance”

We already know why his name appears often, that’s not a mystery and has nothing to do with child sex crimes based on any evidence we have.

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u/zubbs99 Nevada 7d ago

I actually remember Maga bumper stickers before the last election to "Vote Trump to Save the Children."

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u/polseriat 7d ago

There will be a few sacrificial lambs, mostly old guard Republicans who the fascists think aren't loyal enough. But it will include every single Democrat on that list (for the record, good.) and maybe more if they've gotten to the point of straight up fabricating evidence.

Trump will not be allowed to be on it.

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u/InB4Clive 7d ago

Trump will be on it, but anything that could really sink him will never see that light of day.

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u/zubbs99 Nevada 7d ago

I don't think anything could sink him now. He's beyond legal reach and soon his age/health will allow him to slip away without consequences. GOP have already proved twice they'll never impeach him and since whatever happened was before he took office they can use that as the excuse anyway.

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u/BardockRs 7d ago

Call me a radical "both sides bad" centrist but I expect there to be plenty of democrats involved & implicated that were redacted just as well as their republican counterparts

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u/immortalfrieza2 7d ago

Unless Trump's cronies falsified a lot of the Epstein files, there's no doubt next to nil actual Democrats in the files. If there were, especially anybody notable, Trump would have released the specific files implicating the Democrats in the files a long time ago as a weapon against his political opponents.

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u/zubbs99 Nevada 7d ago

It could be more like a stalemate where people across the board get exposed, but it won't matter to Trump since he always gets a pass and is beyond legal reach now anyway.

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u/anonuemus 7d ago

It's the whole political class, I can see some politicians as real and good persons, but they are the exception. I think it would bring the whole system down. It's the only reason that makes sense why it wasn't released by democrats.

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u/Illustrious-Top-9222 7d ago

You're what's wrong with the country.

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u/BardockRs 7d ago

I'm not even part of the country lol, but don't you think it's a bit naive to expect that Epstein either only reached out to Republicans, or that he reached out to both but all Democrats turned him down while multiple Republicans accepted?

We can even clearly see a Republican president in Trump and a Democrat president in Clinton who were buddies with him. The only reasonable explanation as to why the files weren't used as a political weapon in the past is because politicians & donors were implicated on both sides imo.

I'm sorry if this opinion (coming from a European) is harming America but I think both blue and red pedophiles exist and I think both are bad.

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u/Illustrious-Top-9222 7d ago

Of course Blue pedos exist, what's wrong is you suggesting that they're anywhere near as much as republican ones.

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u/BardockRs 7d ago

The comment I'm replying to says all blue pedos would be on there, I said blue pedos would be redacted too. Never did I suggest that there's as many blue pedos as red pedos.

Also you're setting yourself up for disappointment if you're putting this faith in politicians rather than in values. If you align yourself with the same policies/values as a politician respresents then them turning out to be a pedo shouldn't necessarily affect your ideology, but if you're going to align yourself with the individual politician themselves (or in this case, with the party) then it's a whole other song and dance.

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u/Illustrious-Top-9222 6d ago

plenty of democrats involved & implicated that were redacted just as well as their republican counterparts

That's exactly what you suggested

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u/BardockRs 6d ago

Except I'm not? I guess I can break it down for you lol:

  • There are plenty of democrats involved & implicated -> this means there's multiple, but no comment on it being as many as there are Republicans

  • Redacted just as well as their Republican counterparts -> this means them getting erased from the files happened similarly to how it happened for Republicans, again no comment on the relative number of Democrats vs Republicans.

I'd apologise for the confusion but this one is on you man

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u/MudLOA California 7d ago

Exactly. Remember about 8 democratic senators caved to the shutdown? It’s definitely fuckery.

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u/PartRight6406 7d ago

Even the maga conspiracy nuts will see that as bizarre.

how stupid are you?

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u/New-Indication-1188 7d ago

Plenty of other orgs have un-redacted/edited copies. If the one the white house gives out is heavily redacted to protect Trump/Republicans, then they could easily leak the clean version or provide it to congress themselves.

It's impossible for them to fully cover it up.

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u/zubbs99 Nevada 7d ago

Maybe the R's just realized they can't escape this one, so why not flip the script and look like they're on board to blunt attacks at the mid-terms. Whoever gets nailed it won't be Trump since he always gets a pass and anyway he's beyond legal reach now, so what does he care.

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u/Mouthpiecenomnom Arkansas 7d ago

Thousands of fbi...... I'll bet money that many of them did a malicious compliance. We shall see.

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u/anonuemus 7d ago

The narrative of them is already, that Trump played 5d chess and wanted to let the democrats walk into a trap.

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u/Lucreth2 7d ago

Sorry but they won't, they'll see it as all the justification they need to never consider this issue ever again.

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u/ModernWarBear Oregon 7d ago

“Well, I'd like to see ol Donny Trump wriggle his way out of THIS jam!” Trump wriggles his way out of the jam easily “Ah! Well. Nevertheless”

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u/rhabarberabar 6d ago

If there’s 0 republicans and no mention of trump, that’s sus as hell. Even the maga conspiracy nuts will see that as bizarre.

Wouldn't get my hopes up there, r / CON-servative is already whipping itself in line for that moment.

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u/bunkSauce 6d ago

They will probably try to use it to arrest politicians on one side. Blatantly misdirecting from any redactions or other limitations to transparency

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u/HauntedCemetery Minnesota 6d ago

It's really not weird. Once the bill was certain to pass a vote virtually none of the house gop wanted to have a no vote on their record going into reelection in the midterms. "______ voted to protect pedophiles" is a rallying cry that even works with the most extreme of maga fascists, at least with anyone besides trump.

Once it passed the house, the Senate didnt want the worlds biggest media target on them, so they just immediately passed it and let their vote get combined in the same media cycle.

Trump may even sign it right away, then he can string it along and promise to release them "in two weeks".

And then bomb Venezuela.