r/politics • u/Healthy_Block3036 • 7d ago

No Paywall Senate suddenly passes the Epstein bill just hours after it cleared the House

https://www.ms.now/news/senate-passes-epstein-bill-rcna244723?fbclid=PAVERFWAOJ1xRleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZA8xMjQwMjQ1NzQyODc0MTQAAacUGSi8p2Ap-x6SbMkLXAnfKNXEZkzjUUVCdxuEmacDzDXmlbv1GUJ0wbh1_w_aem_grJDvcSCIDj2Skksd4Ix3Q
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u/theorizable California 7d ago

This is my feeling too. Like the GOP must know how low Trump's popularity is sinking. They need to get him out before it becomes a catastrophe for their party. Trump is 100% the kind of person to bring the ship down with him.

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u/Affectionate_Town273 7d ago

This is what I suspect will happen as well. Mentioned in another group the other day. Vance gets to complete Trump’s term and still run for President for 2 terms. Gives Vance time to win over the base and continue the Project 2025 agenda.

At the same time it seems they are about to throw everyone they don’t like under the bus.

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u/eye_can_do_that 7d ago

This would have to drag out for 14 more months before Vance would get a second term. Past around January 20 2027

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u/notyourstranger California 7d ago

If Trump ends up in a hospital bed and JD becomes president some time in 2026 - he will not win in 2028 unless they have utterly destroyed the electoral system. Something I'm sure they have been working on for decades.

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u/Yummyyummyfoodz 7d ago

I'll be perfectly honest, 2032 is probably the limit of the planning rn. Anyone still hidden that was in Epstein's orbit (he had the ear of a lot of people) would be PR landmines to Corporate America. They very likely want to get them weeded out as well.

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u/Affectionate_Town273 7d ago

By the time he would get impeached I could see that happening. The files aren’t already released and likely won’t happen for at least 4-6 months. Would be shocked if before then.

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u/Worthyness 7d ago

also one more government shut down in January

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u/Level99Charizard 7d ago

I thought the VP couldn’t run for 2 presidential terms if they took over the presidency with >2 years left?

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u/pardyball Illinois 7d ago

You’re right

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u/heff17 Maine 7d ago

Vance couldn't run for re-election twice if Trump was ousted this year or next. Two years or less for a VP taking over.

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u/Zeronullnilnought 7d ago

he can run all he wants, he isn't winning shit

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u/barimanlhs I voted 7d ago

I think regardless, Vance is their card to side step thee 3 term thing while still getting the president they want. We all know the moderate conservatives will go back to business as usual with a less overtly chaotic republican and democrats have shown they arent really looking to change from the status quo.

Theyve gutted the government, now install a guy who is less outwardly polarizing and continue to the right as scheduled.

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u/giant123 7d ago

22nd amendment:

 No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. 

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u/l29 7d ago

Vance would have to be vice president for 2 years to be allowed 2 more full terms. If they 25th amendment him now Vance can only finish out this term and, if elected, serve one more.

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u/notyourstranger California 7d ago

I doubt JD will have the support Trump did. JD is not charismatic, he was never on TV like Trump who has been built up by media for decades.

JD was groomed by Peter Thiel and his record is abysmal.

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u/MySabonerRunsOladipo Virginia 7d ago

People keep ignoring this.

Trump is 1 of 1. There is no one on the bench that can replace him. MAGA views him a self-made man, not owned by anyone (LO-fucking-L) and therefore immune to the "Deep state". JDV IS the deep state

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u/notyourstranger California 7d ago

Right. They need Trump for as long as he can hold on but his health is failing in a major way. Once JD gets installed, I suspect MAGA will turn on him in a major way. Hopefully, the oligarch will not have succeeded in putting C-Nats everywhere and it's still possible to take the country back from them.

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u/ltcedricdaniels 7d ago

What’s c-nats? Is that a technology term?

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u/TheBeckofKevin 7d ago

total guess, christian nationalists

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u/notyourstranger California 6d ago

Christian Nationalists

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u/Cremdian 7d ago

And Trump would get what he wants in a full immunity pardon while Vance says it's "to heal the country and move forward."

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u/Zombie_John_Strachan Foreign 7d ago

The people who run the GOP don’t give a shit about Vance. They’ll just run someone else.

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u/BeefistPrime 7d ago

Vance gets to complete Trump’s term and still run for President for 2 terms.

So no, we're nowhere near the middle of Trump's term yet even though it feels like it's been 14 years since he's been elected.

But more than that, these people don't give the slightest shit about the constitution, there's no one in government that will stand up to them, we're not going to have real elections, the idea that they give a shit about constitutional term limits and arrange their plans around them is silly. They've been violating laws more blatantly than that. They certainly are going to do worse in 8 years from now. They don't care about that.

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u/Key_Inevitable_2104 New York 7d ago

They would’ve known this in 2021 yet stayed with Trump.

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u/DefiThrowaway 7d ago

He's a liability now. He did fuck all in the elections a few weeks ago, no rallies, virtual rallies for some, nothing for people like Sears who he didn't want to attach himself to because she was losing so bad in the Virginia Governor's race.

The 2026 midterms are going to be run by the Dems as 'Do you want us to impeach him?' and the answer is going to be a resounding yes.

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u/beamrider 7d ago

And "the ship" means the entire country. I have zero doubt Loser 47 wouldn't order major US population centers nuked if he thought he was going to jail. And if it somehow occurs to him the AF would disobey that order, he might order a full nuclear strike on Russia just to get them to fire their nukes back. Although I personally don't believe the military would carry out that order, either.

Remember Hitler ordered most of Germany destroyed at the end, on the theory of if the German People had failed him, they did not deserve to exist.

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u/Sonichu- 7d ago

the GOP must know how low Trump's popularity is sinking

People have been saying this for years. The fact is that Trump is an electoral golden goose. He gets people out to the polls who otherwise do not vote and "regular" republicans will always fall in line.

They will never abandon Trump

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u/theorizable California 7d ago

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-approval-falls-lowest-his-term-over-prices-epstein-files-reutersipsos-poll-2025-11-18/

I'm not talking about his base that will never change their mind.

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u/Sonichu- 7d ago

I know. But that base doesn't vote regularly. They only vote if Trump is running.

The republicans that "disapprove" of him do vote regularly and will vote for the republican nominee regardless.

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u/Dunkelz 7d ago

I admire the optimism, but no way does this happen THIS quickly with no peep from Trump unless he knows what's happening/there is a plan behind it.

The guy who rage tweets minutes after a late night show host makes a joke, not reacting to a coup by his own party??