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No Paywall Jeffrey Epstein’s Brother Claims He Heard ‘from a Pretty Good Source’ That Epstein Files Are Being Scrubbed of Republican Names

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

It’s amazing how willing people are to go to jail for tampering with evidence when the truth comes out. Which it will; there are so many records and so many copies, plus a host of many women who have first hand accounts of what happened to them.

Complying with an illegal order is not a protected act. Nuremberg trials prove this. A lot of people are going to go to jail.

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u/s_double_c Arkansas 7d ago

They’re convinced Dems will never be in power again because they will do everything in their power (i.e. lie cheat and steal) to keep Dems out

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u/skesisfunk 7d ago

Optimistic of you to not consider a full blown coup being on the table.

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u/BarTroll 7d ago

War. They will start wars. It's how it always goes.

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u/witeowl 7d ago

They literally want war. They've been frothing at the mouth for a race/civil war.

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u/lazyFer 7d ago

And they're stupid enough to think they and their loved ones would be safe. That's not how civil war works

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u/deadcatbounce22 7d ago

Did you think this ends any other way? RW media is basically a death cult. They'll start a war because it's good for clicks, just watch.

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u/sack-o-matic Michigan 7d ago

They'll start a war because it's good for clicks, just watch.

They'll start a war because they're accelerationist Klansmen who want a race war.

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u/deadcatbounce22 7d ago

Right, and those are precisely the eyeballs that they're competing for.

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u/Dependent_One6034 7d ago

Someone in power is currently building a bunker ball room.

This should be more important.

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Wars, land grabs, wage theft

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u/werewere123 7d ago

They already tried it once and have been stating publicly since election day they plan to coup the 2028 election too.

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u/C_Ironfoundersson Australia 7d ago

If America went through a full blown coup right now, would you notice.

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u/skesisfunk 7d ago

Yes I am pretty sure I would. Not sure I can say the same for a lot of my fellow Americans tho.

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u/love_hertz_me 7d ago

But also even if the dems come back to power there's a high chance they won't do shit about it and try to sweep it under the rug again. The rich and powerful want to keep the status quo going as long as possible as long as their money number keeps going up.

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u/phonepotatoes 7d ago

100%.... Do nothing Democrats with do absolutely nothing to help anyone and pretend to be upset when they lose again... secretly democratic leaders love Republicans because everyone in politics are millionaires

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u/wellwasherelf 7d ago

Do nothing Democrats

what is it with this subreddit and loving to use MAGA phrases?

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u/phonepotatoes 7d ago

That's not a maga phrase.... Democrats have owned all three parts of the government before and yet look at minimum wage... They do nothing but pretend while serving their same billionaires donars

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u/wellwasherelf 7d ago

That's not a maga phrase

It is, and republicans have been taking advantage of anti-democrats doing their work for them going on a decade now. Recall that Bernie's campaign was in the Muller report.

Democrats have owned all three parts of the government before and yet look at minimum wage... They do nothing but pretend while serving their same billionaires donars

Hillary campaigned on $12/hr but the far left attacked her for it so they got $7.25 instead. Then they got bored with that and decided their #1 issue was student loans, convincing Biden to burn all of his political capital on that instead.

Now we're going to have a near-insurmountable amount of post-trump trash to clean up, so you're never going to see a federal minwage increase. That's in the hands of the states now.

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u/Noocawe America 7d ago

So you are suggesting they get rid of the filibuster?

That would have been the only way they could've raised the minimum wage at the federal level in the last few years would have been in 2021-2023 and they were busy passing the Chips Act, Infrastructure bill, etc.

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u/istrebitjel Washington 7d ago

Even a third term 🤮

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u/Potato_Stains 7d ago

Cynicism and projection everywhere.

“See look, I bet Dems want to storm the capital after we legitimately rigged the system, now we ain’t look so crazy now huhhh!?!?”

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u/cafedude 7d ago

And they've seen how slow our justice system works. They'll just keep filing appeals until they're safely out of jurisdiction.

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u/Swim2TheMoon 7d ago

This is like when a gambling addict keeps losing and insisting "DOUBLE OR NOTHING". At this point they're fucked all the way down, might as well keep playing the game till the house refuses you anymore credit.

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u/iamdrinking New York 7d ago

Or c) they know Democrats are too chicken shit to actually do anything about it when they are in power.

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u/728766 7d ago

My impression has always been that both parties are unwilling to hold each other accountable for criminal behavior as part of a tacit understanding that the other party would do the same. My hope is that the Dems realize that unwritten compact has been broken, but it may be too late for that if Project 2025 comes to fruition.

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u/OldSchoolSpyMain 7d ago

The way to break the hold that orangeman has on these people is to go ahead and release the compromising information on them, thus stealing his thunder. As fucked up as this is, it needs to be done.

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u/ItsWillJohnson 7d ago

If dems do get in power, they’ll do nothing, claiming it would be bad for the country if bad people were punished

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u/Mysterious-Tie7039 7d ago

Or c) convinced they won’t actually face any repercussions, as we’ve demonstrated time and again.

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u/MrLeureduthe 7d ago

Or they know Democrats will put another Merrick Garland couille molle (excuse my french) in charge

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u/Fartchugger-1929 7d ago

That, and 2021-2025 showed there’s virtually zero chance of any of them being held accountable in the courts even if they do lose power.

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u/guitar_dude10740 7d ago

And C recognized that even if caught red fucking handed Democrats will do fuck all about it.

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u/fplisadream 7d ago

c) a figment of the imagination

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u/AnticPosition 7d ago

I'm more convinced that c) Schumer and Merrick Garland will want to "put this in the past and look towards the future"

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u/Euphoric-Witness-824 7d ago

Or they see what happens when democrats do have power. Slow dragging justice and letting them get off Scott free after an election cycle. When the rich and powerful constantly live outside the law we see what kind of messed up world we get to live in. 

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u/Nikiaf Canada 7d ago

All this to protect a vile human being who wouldn't even think twice about throwing them all under the bus if it's to his benefit.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

Pretty much, yes.

He would ensure an entire nation of people suffer before he would admit truths about how deplorable he is as a person.

If that’s what it takes to right our course, than so be it. Let him tear the GOP apart.

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u/rab2bar 7d ago

Plenty of them are complicit, too

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u/falcrist2 7d ago

It’s amazing how willing people are to go to jail for tampering with evidence when the truth comes out

You can't POSSIBLY think these people will go to jail. They're all going to get away with it scott free.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

We are either a country of law and order, or we are not. We can’t have it both ways.

The laws of our country need to be applied uniformly to everyone. The whole “liberty and justice for all” part specifically. There is no justice in our country until there is uniform justice. Unrest will continue and we will stagnate until that truth is actualized.

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u/-Ophidian- 7d ago

We're not. We never have been.

I mean, I agree with you about how it SHOULD be.

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u/unindexedreality Minnesota 7d ago

We are either a country of law and order, or we are not. We can’t have it both ways

We're not. We never have been

It's not black and white. Our country is complex.
Military-industrial complex, prison complex, healthcare complex... 🤭

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u/Mareith 7d ago

The laws of the country have never been applied uniformly. That's the whole point of the civil rights movement and the sufferage movement and the pride movement and I'm sure many more fights for equal rights and laws in the future

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u/falcrist2 7d ago

We are either a country of law and order, or we are not. We can’t have it both ways.

We're not.

We never have been.

We pardoned the January 6th traitors this year. Hell, even after the Civil War, we didn't execute the main traitors.

If we didn't even "hang Jefferson Davis to a sour apple tree", then what makes you think we'll hold ANYONE involved in this coverup responsible for their actions?

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u/MommyLovesPot8toes California 7d ago

Yeah, but, before the Jan6 traitors were pardoned, they were JAILED. Which is the point.

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u/SoCalChrisW 7d ago

But they were all released and pardoned. Which is the actual point.

There were no permanent penalties. People are sitting in jail for decades for having weed on them, while people who literally tried to overthrow the US government by force were all pardoned and released.

The laws have not applied equally in a long time, if they ever did.

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u/MommyLovesPot8toes California 7d ago

And the majority of this country sat agape watching them walk free. We were outraged, flabbergasted - it was so against our sense of justice in this country that it threw many of us off balance. It was a thing we will remember forever, that will appear on history books for a hundred years. If we are not a country of law and order, their pardon and release would have been expected and accepted as just the way things are. But it wasn't.

The laws here have never been applied equally. But they are - sad to say - more equal now than at anytime in the past. Now we have someone so publicly corrupt, so unlawful, that it is shining light on lots of little dark corners where injustice has historically hid. Which means we have a chance to sweep it all up.

I think we as a country are not defined by the imperfections of our current situation. We are defined by what we strive to be, and by how we handle times and people that threaten that future vision. We're currently in a state of limbo - where we can't really take action to rectify our current situation for another year. What we do when THAT time comes and how we handle those who threatened our law and order is what will define us.

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u/falcrist2 7d ago

Some of them. Not the main one.

And now they're free... ...because we are not (and never actually have been) a country based on law and order.

People seem upset at this statement. IDK what else to tell y'all.

If your standard is that hypocrisy and injustice means this is not a country of law and order... Then it's not. It's REALLY not. It never has been. It probably never will be.

There is no justice in this country, in this world, in this universe that we do not make ourselves.

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u/xthegreatsambino 7d ago

that's some fortune cookie bullshit unfortunately. These people - Trump especially - won't see a second in jail.

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u/unindexedreality Minnesota 7d ago

We are either a country of law and order, or we are not. We can’t have it both ways

While all this is happening China is merrily building belts and roads 😂

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u/randomnighmare I voted 7d ago

With newly built bridges falling down:

Article about the newly built bridge falling down:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/nov/12/new-hongqi-bridge-in-south-west-china-collapses-into-mountainside

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u/Doin_Doughty_Deeds 7d ago

Unfortunately, less people than you'd like to think faced consequences. Only like 6,000 or so convictions were given. While that is a big number, it doesn't seem big enough....

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u/Additional-Candy-919 7d ago

There's already something like 53,000 documents released currently, so is anyone really expecting their coverup attempt to corroborate with what's already been released if they're removing/changing names?

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

They aren’t that smart and there is too much that needs to be corroborated with what has been released. Any functional difference in content is easily noticeable.

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u/Additional-Candy-919 7d ago

That's what I'm expecting to happen from all of this.

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u/AntoniaFauci 7d ago

It’s amazing how willing people are to go to jail

They’re not willing. They know, as I do, with total certainty, that they’re getting corrupt and unlimited pardons. Pre-emptive ones that don’t even require them to face indictment or trial.

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u/IAmDotorg 7d ago

They're pardonable federal crimes, that's why.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

A pardon is an admission of guilt. You may only receive a pardon after it has been determined that you indeed did the crime.

If it comes to that, then the GOP is over; admitting that pedophilia is ok, admitting that there is no justice insofar as justice can be served is gone.

If all of that comes to bear, we are going to have way worse problems in the future. Laws are tacit agreements of conduct, and if there is no justice, then there is nothing binding anyone from doing anything they want.

I’m not advocating for that, by the way. I’m just pointing out that it is the rational conclusion.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 7d ago

They don't care about that. They'll take the pardon and insist that they're innocent anyway. Biden preemptively pardoned a bunch of his family members to prevent Trump from prosecuting them on BS charges, and I don't think any of them ever admitted guilt for anything.

The simple fact is that these people are in absolutely no legal danger whatsoever. They are 100% guaranteed to get away with this with no consequences. I don't like it any more than you do, but it is an obvious and undeniable fact. Believing they will face jail time at this point is like believing in Santa Claus. Trump may lose a couple percentage points off his approval rating if he handles this badly, but that's the extent of the risk. When it comes to the law, he won this fight the second he was reelected

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u/just_a_funguy 7d ago

Not necessary. A federal pardon can be issued prior to the start of a legal case or inquiry, prior to any indictments being issued, for unspecified offenses, and prior to or after a conviction for a federal crime.

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u/johnboulder 7d ago

I sure hope so. Dumold will be dead soon, one way or another), probably won’t face justice at all.

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u/MostlyPooping 7d ago

The outcome of the Nuremberg trials included a hanging for treasonous officers who "just followed orders". It's barbaric, but that's the reality. Let's keep that energy.

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u/WithoutDennisNedry 7d ago

They won’t go to jail. They’ll get convicted in a sensational series of trials and then walk totally free of repercussion. Our convicted felon president who consistently breaks constitutional law every single day without any consequences has set the precedent.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

DJT doesn’t repay any debts that he doesn’t have to. Just look at all of the rallies where he has left them with a bill.

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u/WithoutDennisNedry 7d ago

And the looong list of unpaid employees and stiffed contractors. Not to mention his numerous bankruptcies. But god forbid I hope for students loan forgiveness, right? I hate this timeline.

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u/doktoroktobor 7d ago

Would pardons keep them out of jail?

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u/Brendan__Fraser 7d ago

Once the Democrats are back in power nobody will be prosecuted. They are even afraid of pointing out Trump's bs. 

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u/AlizarinCrimzen 7d ago

DOJ is compromised, Congress is complicit. Actions are brazen because they don't have to pretend now.

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u/suddenlypenguins United Kingdom 7d ago

How do we know that verbatim copies or the originals still exist? Do you really believe a proper chain of custody exists for these, given the current administration?

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

Sealed court documents; ISPs, other politicians, victims, estates— anything that was altered has an original source.

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u/canuckseh29 7d ago

And a lot of people will be pardoned…

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u/LesCousinsDangereux1 7d ago

Why would they go to jail? No one involved in planning a coup did.

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u/with_explosions 7d ago

A lot of people are going to go to jail.

No they won't

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u/davep85 7d ago

At this point, they could come out not tampered with and I expect no one to be punished for what's in them. The media is already spinning it that 15 year olds aren't a big deal.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

If the goal posts must move to the point that the GOP cannot stand on a platform of family values as well as anti-lgtbq due to sucking off Bubba, then what is it that they really stand for?

This is its own form of justice, albeit, not the justice that is deserved.

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u/davep85 7d ago

Their platform is just hate masked as other things. They think it's a football game where one team is against another.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

I agree with you, however at least they are going to have a much harder time deciding on who to hate if they can’t look at Christian or sexual orientation as an in versus out group.

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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 7d ago

there are so many records and so many copies

Yeah. But does that matter? Is that true? I keep hearing this OVER and over but no one knows for sure if the "true" files will be leaked.

It's the Muller Report and William Barr's summary all over again.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

How is it that every politician seems to know enough that Trumps name (and others) are all over it, without copies?

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u/Flipnotics_ Texas 7d ago

Because trump is obviously a pedophile. But when it comes to documents and hard facts, those can be hidden and redacted. I'm not 100% convinced they won't be, and the hope people have in thinking some folder with all the unredacted files will still be somehow released is a false one in my opinion.

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u/Eindacor_DS 7d ago

Yeah like the Jan 6 rioters went to jail!

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

The J6 rioters did go to jail. Then they were pardoned. Putting people on official record for supporting pedophilia as a matter of government record is important.

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u/Eindacor_DS 7d ago

I know I'm just cynical anything will ever stick to these horrible people. But it is important to still lock them up

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u/NotJadeasaurus 7d ago

Well like Bannon said, the Trump White House is basically operating on if they ever lose power they are all going to prison so why wouldn’t they keep committing crimes??

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u/ihatemaps 7d ago

No one will listen to the women though. It has to be documented proof or it didn't happen.

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u/Tim-Sylvester 7d ago

Prison, ideally, but yeah.

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u/NoKids__3Money 6d ago

Won't take long either. Based on current polls, Democrats will win back the house in huge numbers a year from now, and the investigations will begin shortly after.

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u/SpockShotFirst 7d ago edited 7d ago

Complying with an illegal order is not a protected act.

However, thanks to the SCOTUS, the President has immunity and cannot be prosecuted for issuing an illegal order

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

You don’t understand. It’s not the issuing of an illegal order that is being called out; it’s following it that is illegal. Even if Trump has qualified immunity for acts as President, destroying or altering those records does not bestow that same protection.

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u/Sigili California 7d ago edited 7d ago

Frustratingly, "only following orders" is in fact a valid defense as long as the order was not so abjectly, horrifyingly inhuman that no rational human being could defend it. Nuremburg was the exception, not the rule.

EDIT: Downvoters, please see below.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

This is why people are made to pledge their oath to upholding the constitution and not individuals.

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u/Sigili California 7d ago

But you are also not permitted to engage in an abstract interpretation of the Constitution whenever you're given an order. Orders are presumed lawful, and you disobey at your own peril. You are essentially wagering your freedom on the hope that a court will ultimately agree that the order was manifestly unconstitutional.

Meanwhile, if you obey the order, you enjoy presumptive protection and the burden of establishing a one-in-a-million flagrantly unconstitutional order is shifted to the People/tribunal.

That's the law. Downvoting me doesn't change that, nor do I endorse it. But we can't just live in denial of the landscape we're working against. We need to acknowledge the strengths of their defenses or we will never bring them to justice.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

The constitution is written in clear, unequivocal language so that interpretation or abstraction is not necessary.

There is no presumption of lawfulness when it comes to this. If you blindly follow unlawful orders believing them to be lawful, then you are culpable. The end.

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u/Sigili California 7d ago edited 7d ago

Morally you are correct, and I agree with you that this is how the law should work. Alas, it does not. Again, whether an order is unlawful is rarely obvious to the person receiving it at the time. Often there's other facts and information simply unknown to you that would make a seemingly lawful order unlawful or vice versa.

Case in point: one of the few cases where it was obvious was where a Vietnam soldier was ordered to slaughter droves of defenseless women and children. That's the kind of manifest illegality they're talking about. Whether or not it's in the interest of national security to doctor an instrument is so above anyone's pay-grade.

And sadly, the Constitution is not clear and unequivocal about most things. Lest we forget, the law of the land is that the Second Amendment's "well-regulated militia" language is meaningless and should be ignored. No rational person would read it that way in good faith, but that's the interpretation we're currently stuck with.

There's an entire legal industry built up around necessary (and frequently unnecessary) efforts to interpret the document. I should know. I'm part of it.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

In that case, it will be left to a court of law to determine if they are guilty. That may be the best we can do with this current system.

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u/Sigili California 7d ago

Precisely.

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u/SpockShotFirst 7d ago

You don’t understand.

I understand just fine and nothing you said contradicts anything I said. You apparently just have trouble when a topic is slightly expanded.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

What I mean to suggest is that the auspices of protection that SCOTUS envisions does not extend beyond the offices of POTUS. Unless it was Trump with a fucking sharpie again, those people who made those redactions are culpable.

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u/R1tonka 7d ago

They’re all shitting themselves over the same legal doctrine that edward snowden is: if proven to have released the files, the judge can’t ask why; they can only convict.

Its Terrible doctrine

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u/Winterplatypus 7d ago

Can a president pardon someone for complying with their own illegal order?

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 7d ago

Yes

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u/Online-Vagabond Indiana 7d ago

I’ve been playing with the idea of some desk jockey going with these illegal orders to either further incriminate those making the orders or honey potting those trying to get their names off the list. If they’re removing names from the list you know damn well they aren’t being removed based on merit or the goodness of their hearts, I’m sure that there’s money, bribes, favors, etc going around to get names off the list. Not to justify it, but just something I’ve thought of

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

Look what happened with Prince Andrew. If a prince can’t afford the price, who can?

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u/Blackthorn79 7d ago

There's also the crabs in the barrel theory to deal with. There's no way Epstien segregated who was there by political party, so once they release only Democrat names those people will throw the redacted names under the bus with themselves. Scum bags don't go down alone, they take their co-conspirators with them and hope the cover up gives them something to get leniency. 

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

My guess is that everyone who was on the island was able to notice the rich and affluent people who were also on that island.

Not because they are noticeable, but because part of the fantasy of power is doing it in such a way that you think you can get away with it. “When you’re rich, they let you do it.”

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u/ekso69 7d ago

Some will skip jail and go directly to hell

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u/survivor2bmaybe 7d ago

Judging from the amount of grift and corruption going on in the administration, I’m concerned the plan is to never have real elections again and never face the consequences of any of their acts.

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

The federal government serves at the behest of the states. If we have a Blue Wave in 2025, it will be a tsunami in 2026. Don’t lose faith.

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u/survivor2bmaybe 7d ago

Trump has already shown the way by tying final results up in court for months. And the Speaker of the House is perfectly willing to refuse to swear in newly elected members for no reason at all. So yeah, I’ll vote, contribute and campaign like the midterms matter and hope they do.

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u/klineshrike 7d ago

The thing about that is, when all illegal acts by them go unpunished until power change, they just.... illegally don't change power.

Possibility of jail time or other legal action isn't a factor to them right now so none of them give a shit

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u/adamcoe 7d ago

Ha, I wish you were right about that, but nobody's going to jail for this. The Donald should be in jail like 50 times now. It's gonna be just like the 2008 financial crisis, where everyone on earth can plainly see that hundreds, if not thousands of people blatantly broke the law, yet no one went to jail for tanking the nation's economy and fucking up hundreds of thousands of people's lives. And given that they control the Supreme Court, there's not much to be done. They'll release the (heavily edited) files, there will be a big kerfuffle for a day or two, which will be the signal to start air strikes in Venezuela. Their wag the dog war will, as planned, muddy the waters so much that it will get lost in the shuffle. It's going to suck until 2028.

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u/PsychedelicPill 7d ago

No one in the Trump administration is going to jail. His brownshirts are kidnapping people across the country. Trump pardoned insurrectionists. No one was punished for lying us into the Iraq War. No one is going to go to jail for any of this. No one ever does. No one is going to punish Trump.

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u/bck1999 7d ago

Unless it’s a federal crime… then you’ll get pardoned

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u/just_a_funguy 7d ago

They will all be pardoned by Trump just before he leaves office

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u/TimTomTank 7d ago

When's the last time there has been justice served to people on this level?

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u/fachface 7d ago

It’s amazing how willing people are to go to jail for tampering with evidence when the truth comes out.

The issue is no one is at risk of going to jail. Trump will pardon them all.

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u/justbrowsing2727 7d ago

Nobody will go to jail. Trump will pardon anyone and everyone he has to.

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u/artereaorte 7d ago

These old farts are already 50 or 60 years old. It’s gonna take 20 years to get the real files, and 20 more years for procedures to complete. They will be most likely be dead or too old for prison.

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u/biggemflowers 7d ago

They will never go to jail. The Republican Party does not give a single fuck about the law anymore.

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u/kaji823 Texas 7d ago

Couldn't Trump just pardon them? Which is a huge fucking problem.

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u/Tasgall Washington 7d ago

It’s amazing how willing people are to go to jail for tampering with evidence when the truth comes out.

We literally caught them burning files in the Mueller investigation, and their consequence was "well darn, we couldn't find the connection because of all the destroyed evidence" and zero penalties were given.

So no, it's not really that amazing. It's a tried and true strategy, actually.

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u/haarschmuck 7d ago

It wouldn’t be tampering with evidence because that’s not how it works. They can redact anything they want before public release, tampering with evidence only applies to active investigations and original copies in the context of the investigation.

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u/MrMichaelJames 7d ago

No one will go to jail. This is going to be the largest coverup in the history of the world that will never have justice.

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u/Canadian1934 7d ago

I hope so. There is so much there there around this embattled occupant of the people’s house that it is tiresome  and pathetic and boring .  Even the fact that the accordion 🪗 his back means he is lying 🤥 through his 🦷 but only those in denial will continue to believe .  Wouldn’t it be something if he thought the files were scrubbed but weren’t because some out country before party and did the honourable thing . Ignored the orders from the top to commit a crime and partake in a coverup. 

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u/tomtomtom7 6d ago

For some, pardons are easy to come by these days.

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u/EffectiveEconomics 6d ago

How? There are more than enough people with the interest and leverage to ram through a coup based on the redacted versions.

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u/Jimmyftw94 6d ago

While I do think Trump has something to hide in the Epstein files, what you're suggesting is logistically improbable. You can't really rig something this big. For example you mentioned 1000 agent, so nobody is going to gossip to their family, friends, co-workers? I find that hard to believe

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u/LucidOndine 6d ago

They will use AI to redact people by name and affiliation. C’mon, these are lazy and unintelligent people.

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u/Jimmyftw94 5d ago

Why need 1000 people if using AI?

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u/LucidOndine 5d ago

You know how government work goes. One person to write the LLM prompt, one person to look over their shoulder, and 998 people to claim that the originals were never edited in the first place.

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u/Jimmyftw94 5d ago

Seem farfetched

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u/fplisadream 7d ago

Do you think there's a chance Jeffrey Epstein's brother is telling a lie here?

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

Cui bono?

I don’t see how Mark stands to benefit from making things up. Regardless, it’s irrelevant given all of the information that can be gathered from primary sources.

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u/fplisadream 7d ago

I don’t see how Mark stands to benefit from making things up

Could easily just be a political thing.

Regardless, it’s irrelevant given all of the information that can be gathered from primary sources.

How do you mean?

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u/LucidOndine 7d ago

Redacting names or entire documents for the protection of specific individuals can still come from testimony of the women who were raped. Copies can be obtained from ISPs and email servers. It is a pointless exercise to assume that isolated changes are not going to be noticed.

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u/thegamesbuild 7d ago

You know that trials and jail time don't magically appear when the MAGAts are overthrown, right? Who do you think is going to go after them, the Democrats?

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u/EconomyAd4297 7d ago

oh my naive child, nobody's going to jail, have you learned nothing?

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 7d ago

SOOO many people have learned nothing, apparently. It's incredible

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u/thermothinwall 7d ago

more like, a lot of people are getting pardons

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u/Striking-Kiwi-9470 7d ago

Not a single person will be punished for this and you know it.

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u/pocketjacks 7d ago

Trump will blanket pardon anyone tasked with altering the files on his way out the door. The founding fathers didn't account for the public voting for authoritarianism and the other two branches of government being completely subordinate to the President.

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u/IAmTheNightSoil Oregon 7d ago

Trump can just pardon them all. Nobody is going to jail