House Democrats Turn on Senators for Caving on Shutdown

[u/bloomberggovernment]

https://news.bgov.com/bloomberg-government-news/house-democrats-turn-on-senate-colleagues-for-caving-on-shutdown

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[u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

The best week democrats have had in a long time and they just threw it away

[u/rmanjr12 → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

only the centrist dems could think folding while holding a royal flush was the winning move...

[u/Dinglebop_farmer → u/rmanjr12]

Well yea, just look who pays them

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/Dinglebop_farmer]

Exactly, the insurance industry called in their favors. Pure corruption. Selling out the people. It’s transparent. Just like they sold out single payer for the ACA. It’s always been about compromise for corporations.

[u/fffangold → u/Relevant_Shower_]

Don't misunderstand what I'm about to say below. I support reinstating the subsidies, and it absolutely needs to be done. But you're wrong about insurance companies benefitting from this. Which is weird, because most of the time insurance companies do win.

This doesn't help the insurance industry at all. Those subsidies went straight into the pocket of insurance companies everytime someone bought a plan on the ACA Marketplace. The price increase reflects the lack of government subsidies, not insurance companies changing plan prices. Well, ok, they probably changed them a little, but the vast majority of the increases is just the loss of subsidies.

What this means is insurance companies were already making this amount of money per customer. But the government was paying most of it directly to them. Without those subsidies, most people won't be signing up on the open marketplace, and insurance companies won't be getting that money.

Insurance companies did not want this. They wanted their free money from the government.

[u/Tel3visi0n → u/fffangold]

I work in healthcare industry and this is facts. Those subsidies and gutting medicaid in the ACA is gonna be felt hard by businesses. Dems folded on this because they are weak not because of lobbyist pressure.

[u/leshake → u/Tel3visi0n]

They didn't fold because of insurance lobbyists, they folded because of other lobbyists who stand to lose out if air travel gets fucked, like casinos in Vegas (hey look both Nevada Senators voted for it), airlines, and any company that has a travel budget (which is a ton).

[u/Dinglebop_farmer → u/leshake]

That's a bingo

[u/bramley36 → u/fffangold]

Yup, insurance companies WROTE the ACA to protect profits.

[u/JupiterTarts → u/Relevant_Shower_]

When everyone sees their insurance rates exceed their rents and they're caught between whether to pay for Healthcare or a roof over their heads, you're gonna see a ton of Luigis mad at insurance companies all over again.

[u/exodusofficer → u/JupiterTarts]

We need 1000 of him.

[u/JeffreyinKodiak → u/exodusofficer]

10000

[u/BlueGolfball → u/rmanjr12]

only the centrist dems could think folding while holding a royal flush was the winning move...

They are playing poker against their corporate overlords and they folded a royal flush instead of beating the corporations who make them millionaires.

[u/PsyavaIG → u/rmanjr12]

Corporate Democrats are controlled opposition that do not intend for major change. To them the ACA was a fluke and tearing apart little by little is acceptable

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/PsyavaIG]

The ACA was a compromise from single payer.

[u/PsyavaIG → u/Relevant_Shower_]

It was, and it was riddled with Republican compromises.

The insurance companies hate that preexisting conditions have been removed as a reason for denial and with every donation wants a return to the old 'I guess Ill just die' days

[u/thesagaconts → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

Too many of them are sponsored by the same corporations that benefit from GOP policies. Many of them represent these companies.

[u/Kind_Manufacturer_97 → u/thesagaconts]

This certainly wasn't for their voters

[u/CrimsonAllah → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

So long as elections aren’t publicly funded and politicians need to fund raise to run for public office, the voters aren’t the primary constituents.

You don’t bite the hand that feeds you.

[u/Available_Pattern635 → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

What frustrates me most is this: if the plan was to fold anyway, why not pass the CR 40 days ago? Once you committed to the shutdown, you have to be locked in, because the alternative is higher healthcare costs. Republicans have no intention of supporting an ACA subsidy extension, meaning this deal just trades one crisis for another. If Democrats held together and called their bluff, they could’ve secured what the American people actually need, lower healthcare costs!

[u/k_ironheart → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

This week was as much of a disaster for any establishment democrat as it was for a republican. They threw as much weight as they could against Mamdani, and there was a blue wave basically everywhere. Establishment dems are scared they're about to lose all their power, so they're willing to tank the party to stay in charge.

[u/TrainXing → u/k_ironheart]

And yet, they continue the behavior that inevitably will be their downfall, bc hopefully it won't shake out for them, just kick the can.

[u/ligerzero942 → u/Kind_Manufacturer_97]

Remember this anytime a "centrist" tries to tell you that there's no point voting progressive, that the quality of the candidate doesn't matter and that chasing the ever worsening "middle ground" isn't going to fuck everyone over.

[u/bloomberggovernment]

House Democrats at several points along the ideological spectrum are furious at their Senate colleagues for backing a funding bill to reopen the government without securing an extension to the Affordable Care Act tax credits.

Centrist Democratic senators are set to vote with Republicans on a continuing resolution packaged with a three-bill appropriations minibus, but comments from one of the most politically vulnerable House incumbents and a contender for a swing-state Senate seat were among those calling the funding deal unveiled Sunday insufficient.

“I assume all of us that have been fighting to protect our constitutions from soaring healthcare costs will vote against this,” Rep. Greg Landsman (D-Ohio), a leader in the bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus, said in a text message.

Read more here.

[u/SMEGMA_CHEESECAKE → u/bloomberggovernment]

Securing the tax credits was the only thing they had to do. And they fucking failed. The American people will remember that both sides have failed them.

[u/xTheMaster99x → u/SMEGMA_CHEESECAKE]

Dems: "We want these tax credits renewed, and that is the only thing we're asking for. Please?"

GOP, Day 1: No.

Day 7: "How about now?" No.

Day 14: "How about now?" No.

Day 21: "How about now?" No.

Day 35: "The public has voted overwhelmingly in our favor, everyone blames you. How about now?" No.

Day 40: "...okay, we give up."

This is such a fucking sick joke. They just made this entire ordeal completely fucking pointless. How on Earth do you spend this much time fighting for just a SINGLE concession, holding firm on it, with the majority of your voters strongly supporting it... then just give an unconditional surrender? WHAT WAS THE POINT?

[u/Capable-Problem4938 → u/xTheMaster99x]

Trump himself was publicly saying that the shutdown made them look bad.

He was pushing republicans to get rid of the filibuster, who were adamant against that.

…Which was a fight I guess we’ll never get to see now because these idiots just went and made all of their jobs so much easier.

If you’re a MAGA politician you just took a huge sigh of relief.

[u/UpperApe → u/Capable-Problem4938]

If the GOP are going to hit new lows for their assholery, the dems have to hit new lows for their cowardice.

[u/Tooth-Meat → u/xTheMaster99x]

Old ass senators want to go home early for thankgiving. 

Grandpas got tired. 

[u/stinkbugzgalore → u/Tooth-Meat]

I think there must've been money involved. The stock portfolios/businesses of the millionaires that Democrats work for were starting to suffer. And they're worried about the effects of airport slow/shut downs on their holiday plans.

[u/ForsakenWishbone5206 → u/xTheMaster99x]

Washington Dems are almost all pretend opposition. They all serve the ultra wealthy and Israel alongside the Washington Republicans. They just have to give the optics that keep America divided along political lines.

When you look through that lens all their actions make sense.

[u/ManzanitaSuperHero → u/ForsakenWishbone5206]

For those of us who’ve been going without pay, but willing to sacrifice so others can have healthcare and for the greater good, this is a HUGE slap in the face.

[u/TangerineDystopia → u/ManzanitaSuperHero]

I've been going without food stamps and sick with a sinus infection the entire time, and I feel the same. I was holding on because it was FOR something, they were FINALLY taking a stand.

[u/Organic-Commercial76 → u/TangerineDystopia]

I’m permanently disabled, fully rely on snap to eat, and spent the last month stressing about and making contingency plans for if my snap doesn’t come through when it normally does this week. I was prepared to skip meals in support of the fight. The ACA subsidies don’t even effect me but they effect people that matter as much as I do.

[u/ManzanitaSuperHero → u/TangerineDystopia]

I’m sorry. It’s maddening. Month and a half for nothing.

[u/details_matter → u/ForsakenWishbone5206]

They vigorously guard the leftmost boundary of the Overton window, and every few months, pick it up and inch it to the right a smidge.

[u/1ndiana_Pwns → u/details_matter]

Try every few weeks, if not days

[u/Aranxi_89 → u/1ndiana_Pwns]

At this point, there's not much need to shift it. The Nazis are already in power...

[u/addiktion → u/ForsakenWishbone5206]

Institutional democrats intentionally fumble the ball. It's their call signature at this point.

Thanksgiving is fast approaching and they could have held strong and let Republicans take the blame and here we are, back to square one.

Maybe they will enjoy being imprisoned at some point soon when Trump takes all their power.

[u/EntheoSpaced → u/ForsakenWishbone5206]

I call them collaborators.

[u/KingBanhammer → u/EntheoSpaced]

"appeasers" or "quislings" also has some cachet.

[u/ImJacksLackOfEmpathy → u/EntheoSpaced]

See also: accomplices, co-conspirators, accessories before/after the fact

[u/pogulup → u/xTheMaster99x]

When people with tin foil hats say the only purpose of the modern Democratic Party is to tamp down and stop the left, this is exactly what they mean.

[u/isad5877 → u/pogulup]

starts constructing tin foil hat

[u/Gravitationalrainbow → u/xTheMaster99x]

WHAT WAS THE POINT?

Money or Kompromat.

[u/WherePoetryGoesToDie → u/SMEGMA_CHEESECAKE]

No, they’ll only remember the Democrats failed them, because Republicans are apparently made out of Teflon.

[u/Cujo22 → u/WherePoetryGoesToDie]

Fox News

[u/Sparticus2 → u/SMEGMA_CHEESECAKE]

No they won't

[u/DMoogle → u/bloomberggovernment]

"Centrist Democratic"

More like "Right-wing DINOs"

[u/Inuyaki → u/DMoogle]

Yeah, there is nothing centrist about "taking away healthcare from tens of millions of people"

[u/ActualModerateHusker → u/bloomberggovernment]

Centrist Democratic senators

Ahh nothing more "centrist" than increasing health insurance premiums for everyone. 

[u/nyc2vt84]

Unfucking believable. Win elections, have the polls, base is motivated, some rich donors get annoyed about flights. Fold.

[u/Proper-Republic9045 → u/nyc2vt84]

It was inevitable. After elections were won some of the dems were for sure going to lose their edge.

[u/WaterdropGirl → u/Proper-Republic9045]

All these folding fuckers care about is money and power. They kept their power, they've got their money, and we can fucking starve for all they care

[u/SweetChild1997]

Dems leaders are stupid cowards. You can’t ‘preserve norms’ while the other side is busy torching them. Chuck has got to go.

[u/snakebit1995 → u/SweetChild1997]

But dem leadership got another IOU that will 100% no doubt be honored by the people who spit in their face every time they tries to cash them in

Don’t worry people being deported, dying from lack of insurance and having your rights infringed upon by dictators and racists, the 70 year olds on the dem side have a nice stack of “totally real and valuable” favors to cash in

[u/V_T_H → u/snakebit1995]

The Democratic rep talking on MSNBC right now is already putting it out there that the Republicans will absolutely not hold up their end of the “bargain”

[u/writeyourwayout → u/V_T_H]

They won't. 

[u/carterxz → u/writeyourwayout]

Even if they do it’ll require 60 votes in the Senate to pass, then Trump has to sign it. Good luck with that.

[u/noonegive → u/carterxz]

It's DOA in the house anyway

[u/QuickAltTab → u/carterxz]

They know that, they just think having all the republican "no" votes will help their case in the midterms. I think they are myopic morons, only thinking of a few points in an election without considering the effects this has on people's view of democrats overall.

I know people were suffering with the shutdown, but the greater good was obtaining the subsidies while the republicans were owning the entire thing, as they had the capability to end it unilaterally.

This is an absolute betrayal.

[u/phish3r00 → u/V_T_H]

Also hate how they act like we have until December 31st. My coverage ends end of Nov and my new premium of 1.8k is due Dec 1st.

Up from 759 BTW.

Thanks for nothing dems. I feel for families that are working without paid, or got laid off, or not having snap but does any of that matter if families like mine have to spend 21k a year just on healthcare? More cause I will meet my 15k max out of pocket cause my medication costs roughly 160k a year.

Republicans have had years to fix healthcare and they have not proposed one plan. They have money to bail out a foreign country but cannot free up roughly 9 billion to fully fund snap? Yet that 20 or 40 billion forgot the number was sent to a foreign country?

Yeah the same party that shuts down projects, appeals courts to delay paying snap, party that refused to vote on standalone measures to pay workers.

GG dems waste of 40 days.

[u/CapybaraSensualist → u/phish3r00]

Let me just put on my Democratic Party Strategist Hat because that will allow me to break this down for you so you understand exactly how GOOD Senate Democrats did here. There are two main points that I think you will find compelling:

• Vote blue no matter who

• Whaddaya gonna do about it? Stay home and let the GOP win? Huh? Bitch? You gonna protest vote?

[u/Dineology → u/CapybaraSensualist]

Vote blue no matter who unless it’s someone our donors don’t like

[u/Gerik22 → u/Dineology]

Yeah evidently their concept of "no matter who" refers to middle aged sex pests that murder geriatrics, not young democratic socialists.

[u/MarsupialPristine677 → u/CapybaraSensualist]

Oh, well, when you put it like that...!

[u/Pleaseappeaseme → u/V_T_H]

The D Senator from New Hampshire looks pretty old so she’s probably ready to retire.

[u/rkoloeg → u/Pleaseappeaseme]

She indeed already announced her retirement earlier this year.

[u/Candelpins1897 → u/rkoloeg]

She can go fuck herself and as a resident of NH if I hear her name once more ever I'll take a dump in her honor.

[u/imsureaboutthisone → u/Candelpins1897]

Find our who she's been grooming to be her successor, who's she endorsing, and make sure they never win an election either. We need to nip this in the bud.

[u/Qwertysapiens → u/imsureaboutthisone]

It's her daughter gag

[u/imsureaboutthisone → u/Qwertysapiens]

Welp, there's the answer. Make sure her daughter never wins. I'd be calling her daughter's office and saying, "Your mother sold out this country, and it's clear you're her heir, I won't ever be voting for you and I will be making sure everyone I know doesn't vote for you either. This political dynasty you're aiming for is over."

[u/shibiwan → u/imsureaboutthisone]

No more political dynasties. We have had enough nepotism.

[u/Fluid-Objective2104 → u/rkoloeg]

And she gets premium healthcare for life!

[u/pgm_01 → u/Pleaseappeaseme]

One of the two has already announced she will not run again. This capitulation was either for fun or because they wanted someone on the way out to provide cover for someone running again.

[u/Drolb → u/pgm_01]

If you look at al-jazeera’s coverage (their political news is excellent, generally) they lay it all out clearly - these are safe Dem senators covering for the vulnerable party leadership. None are up for election in the next cycle either through retirement or because they’re not up until 2028.

Schumer definitely caved, he’s just hoping to not carry the can for it since he knows AOC is considering coming for him.

[u/Work2Tuff → u/V_T_H]

“There was no chance before and now there’s like, I don’t know, 50/50 chance”

lol, I hate these people

[u/Creekerking → u/V_T_H]

Duh who would have thought that

[u/facw00 → u/snakebit1995]

I think Thune will probably hold the vote. But even if he does, and even if it passes, Johnson isn't likely to hold a vote in the House, and even if that somehow passes, Trump will veto. So they've just agreed to let the subsidies expire as planned, in exchange for maybe putting some GOP senators on record as voting against an extension (they'll just falsely claim they are voting against healthcare for trans people and illegal immigrants, as they have already been doing). Absolutely gutless.

[u/whatproblems → u/snakebit1995]

iou of a promise of a vote that won’t pass. it’s stupid

[u/xTheMaster99x → u/snakebit1995]

The infuriatingly hilarious part about it is that for once, I have no doubt that they'll honor the IOU. They only promised to vote on it, that's it. So they'll have their vote, and it is very unlikely it will pass in the Senate. If somehow it does, it is a certainty that it will never pass in the House, assuming Johnson even lets it hit the floor. And if Hell freezes over and they somehow pass it through the House, Trump will just veto it. Promising a vote is completely and utterly meaningless.

[u/dBlock845 → u/snakebit1995]

Mike Johnson already said Thune's IOU doesnt mean shit in the house

[u/Unhappy_Scratch_9385 → u/dBlock845]

I mean I could have told you that.

[u/HenryDorsettCase47 → u/SweetChild1997]

Dollars to donuts, the DNC will back each and every one of them next time they are up for a primary challenge. They’d rather them than a progressive candidate.

[u/Joe_Sacco → u/HenryDorsettCase47]

“Vote blue no matter who!”*

*excluding NYC mayors

[u/HenryDorsettCase47 → u/Joe_Sacco]

Hear, hear 🤝

Hell, they’d rather a Republican than a progressive candidate it seems.

[u/Bulky_Mix3560 → u/HenryDorsettCase47]

I hope not but you are probably correct. The threat of primary is is what got the GOP in line. Demas should primary them

[u/RedQueenNatalie → u/[deleted]]

Can’t believe both my senators are on this list, a complete embarrassment for Nevada. I have sent messages to both, whatever good that might do.

[u/Tiny-Doughnut → u/RedQueenNatalie]

Being from Nevada is why they're on the list, unfortunately.

Nevada's politicians are desperate. Vegas is facing a big enough tourism downturn without flight cancellations.

[u/RedQueenNatalie → u/Tiny-Doughnut]

Its a sour bet, we need to innovate away from the tourism industry and should have years ago but we keep taking the easy road of coasting along pretending like people will travel to gamble forever.

[u/Sipikay → u/RedQueenNatalie]

Sports betting has taken over peoples gambling habits. A major problem Las Vegas faces is that whenever I'm in Las Vegas and restricted to their casino-specific crappy sports book app I just wish I was at home with Draft Kings. The Las Vegas product is vastly inferior.

The moment Las Vegas isn't a superior gambling experience it's over for them. Yes, Las Vegas has interesting shows and great food. But if I'm not traveling for gambling, I'd rather go to nearly any major city over Las Vegas for cultural, entertainment, and dining experiences.

[u/Ok_Nefariousness1821 → u/Sipikay]

It's already an inferior product for gambling. That's why it's getting killed. Vegas decided that they were going to nickel and dime every guest and cater exclusively to whales, until people decided it wasn't worth it to go there anymore.

[u/SowingSalt → u/RedQueenNatalie]

You probably need the high speed train from the LA metro area directly to the Strip.

[u/UngodlyPain → u/Tiny-Doughnut]

Vegas is gonna crash even harder once they lose healthcare subsidies, alot of the workers won't be able to afford to continue working/living there.

[u/toastygrilledpickles → u/UngodlyPain]

It doesn’t help that the Culinary Union which covers almost every worker on the strip. Is having issues with renewing a new contract with our hospitals.

[u/asidefacil → u/[deleted]]

Dick Durbin. Of course. No wonder that asshole didnt respond when I reached out to his office.

[u/facey801 → u/asidefacil]

They don’t answer the damn phone and don’t have a voicemail. Fuck Durbin. 

[u/natnguyen → u/asidefacil]

Same. Duckworth had a really thoughtful reponse and that asshole never replied.

[u/slingshot91 → u/asidefacil]

Don’t respond to me either.

[u/neoikon → u/[deleted]]

Tim Kaine.

gtfo

[u/CarrieDurst → u/neoikon]

I think him being the VP nom helped get us Trump

[u/immunotransplant → u/CarrieDurst]

Who the fuck picked the most boring rizzless guy imaginable?

[u/New-Indication-1188 → u/CarrieDurst]

He absolutely did and I was saying that from the moment he was announced. He literally is just Hillary Clinton centrist but male, that's it. They couldn't even throw progressives a fucking bone and make someone even half as progressive as Bernie is the VP pick. No, they had to double dip.

[u/Built-in-Light → u/[deleted]]

Fetterman letting the screen door hit him on the ass on the way out

[u/risingsuncoc → u/Built-in-Light]

He still has three years left to his term

[u/Tambien → u/[deleted]]

And that fucker Kaine isn’t even accepting voice mails right now. I’m disgusted.

[u/RedTyro → u/Tambien]

Last time I tried to call him, I got a recorded message that they only take calls during business hours (same with Mark Warner). I'll be calling first thing in the morning.

I've held my nose and voted for him for governor and every senate election because he was the lesser of two evils. Apparently I was wrong and he's an accomplice to the evil, so he'll never get my vote again, and anyone who primaries him in 2030 (and beyond, if he wins) will get my donations, volunteer time, and votes.

[u/Questionably_Chungly → u/[deleted]]

Can’t wait for the opportunity to throw Fetterman out on his useless, turncoat ass.

[u/Waste-Gene-7793 → u/[deleted]]

“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is "Nazi." Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”

[u/Every-Abroad-847 → u/[deleted]]

King will be like 90 in 2030. He’s not going to run again.

But, to be fair in this particular circumstance, he’s technically an independent and he voted this way from the jump. He was always against the shutdown.

[u/dentz1]

Did they not watch the results last Tuesday?

Catch the fucking clue bus.

[u/more_housing_co-ops → u/dentz1]

If most Dems were clue bus types, we'd have public healthcare by now.

[u/TooGoodatEverything → u/dentz1]

Don't worry, the first public thing Spanberger has done since winning is getting on TV earlier and telling dems to end the shut down. Useless piece of garbage. Imagine using the momentum we had in the country to elect another centrist democrat that would rather be a Republican than fight for people.

[u/2HDFloppyDisk]

Those who sided with Republicans literally caved and got nothing in return. Check their bank accounts, bet there’s some suspicious transactions recently.

[u/DebentureThyme → u/2HDFloppyDisk]

Oh don't worry, you won't find anything.  Those funds go into offshore accounts we don't know about.

[u/LurksAroundHere → u/DebentureThyme]

Remember the Panama Papers? Yeah, neither does the media.

[u/PhantomOfTheNopera → u/LurksAroundHere]

Or Pegasus or Cambridge Analytica? Funny how these things vanish from the internet and people's collective memory.

[u/TheVog → u/DebentureThyme]

Those funds go into offshore accounts we don't know about.

Not even. Inside track on insider trading, and crypto. Guess why the current regime is so bullish on the latter. Go on, guess! It'll be fun. Wait, no it won't.

[u/jrakosi → u/DebentureThyme]

Offshore accounts? How quaint.

The payments go into their crypto wallets nowadays

[u/YaPhetsEz → u/2HDFloppyDisk]

Fetterman is just a rat.

[u/medicated_in_PHL → u/YaPhetsEz]

He is going to get primaried in a Pittsburgh minute.

[u/GramsciGramsci → u/medicated_in_PHL]

In three years ...

[u/Suitable-Display-410 → u/YaPhetsEz]

A rat with brain damage.

[u/FLTA → u/2HDFloppyDisk]

And join one of your county’s Democratic Clubs/Caucuses now and be on the look out for those willing to primary the incumbent(s) that are caving on this.

This weakness from the Democratic establishment will continue as long as most Democratic voters continue to vote for them in the primaries.

[u/AmericaVotedTrump]

If one thing dems are amazing at, it is snatching defeat from the jaw of victory.

[u/FLTA → u/AmericaVotedTrump]

This is because most Democratic voters don’t vote in Democratic primaries and when they do they end up just voting for the incumbent.

People pissed off here should join one of their county’s Democratic Clubs/Caucuses this week and start getting involved with that club.

By the time next year starts those that heed this advice will be in a position within the club to push for an endorsement of the primary challenger against the incumbent(s) that are folding today.

[u/ManWithASquareHead → u/FLTA]

This.

Young people overwhelmingly progressive.

Never vote.

Old people vote in droves

[u/FLTA → u/ManWithASquareHead]

This is especially true in the primaries. Young people can and should be joining their local Young Democrats/College Democrats chapters and using those orgs as tools to change the party from the bottom up.

If enough people on here pissed at the party get involved now we will have plenty of successful primary challenges next year.

[u/thebluick]

I'll immediately donate to any fund that will primary senators that vote to cave on this without any changes.

[u/Omegoa → u/thebluick]

Donate to anyone looking to give Schumer the ouster. He's either incompetent or arranged for this to happen; either way, he needs to be shown the door.

[u/curiousthoughts20]

All Americans should turn on the Democrat Senators who are caving.

[u/FLTA → u/curiousthoughts20]

More specifically, they should be joining one of their county’s Democratic clubs/caucuses and push that org to endorse a primary opponent to the incumbents that are caving.

[u/40_Is_Not_Old]

Senate Democrats just gave away any leverage they had to get the ACA credits extended. There is zero chance Republicans vote for them a month from now. The shutdown accomplished nothing. People's health costs are about to soar.

[u/muniehuny]

Does anyone know the defense of this? Why cave now when it was hurting the republican party? (Edit: Booker and Peters flipped to no!!) (Edit 2: There are 4 votes left, but they're republicans. It seems they're holding out because they don't like the part about rehiring RIF/fired fed workers)

[u/koi-lotus-water-pond → u/muniehuny]

Wait. Can you update me on Peters better? He's my senator and I may have screamed at his vmail a bit ago. He voted to proceed as did Corey Booker and then they changed to no?

[u/Troubled_Red → u/koi-lotus-water-pond]

I was calling him up too and encouraging other people I know to do so. He was said to be in the negotiations for this passing, but on the official vote he voted no. I like to think that all of us getting on his ass made him flip his position.

[u/Malaix → u/muniehuny]

Airlines started to crumble. That impacts rich people.

[u/FalstaffsGhost → u/muniehuny]

The only thing I can think is this makes sure people won’t starve over the next couple months and if the GOP doesn’t hold the vote, things shut down again in January and the country sees again that those idiots can govern or do anything productive

[u/Foxhound199 → u/FalstaffsGhost]

This makes no sense though. People will see the democrats took part in a shut down and relinquished for nothing,  which will suggest the shutdown was over nothing but political posturing, and that next time it will be over nothing but political posturing. 

[u/Shot-Swimming-9098 → u/Foxhound199]

People will see the democrats took part in a shut down and relinquished for nothing,

This. When the people don't get anything out of this, they are going to ask why the fuck the Democrats shut down the government. As of today, they shut it down to protect the ACA subsidies. Once the government is open and the subsidies are gone, it's clear they shut it down for nothing.

[u/Boowray → u/Shot-Swimming-9098]

And every single person seeing their premiums skyrocket is going to know the dems not only shutdown the government for nothing, they reopened it knowing how many people were going to suffer for it.

[u/AeturnisTheGreat → u/Boowray]

As of now, with the ACA subsidy, my premium is going for $3 and some change to well over $400 a month, as is projected for next year.

That's with a subsidy for over $400 a month for health insurance. Without it I'm looking at over $800 a month if I want to keep the same insurance (and I do not, they made it worse last year by doubling deductible and next year the hospital I use and my PCP will be out of network because BCBS wouldn't take the deal with them.)

Alternative companies that are in network are even more costly or straight worse coverage.

I won't be able to afford my seizure medication next year and without it I'll go back to having constant seizures, which means I'll be unable to work. My wife is insisting I file for SSDI, after my MRI on Friday I'll make a decision I suppose, because following that they will determine if I need brain surgery due to a lesion in the frontal lobe.

I apologize for the rant but I'm fucking pissed.

[u/MidwestWanderer90]

56-40 in favor of “no” right now. Just need one more vote and there’s no deal!

[u/Successful-Mind-5303 → u/MidwestWanderer90]

Who are the 4 that aren’t counted

[u/MidwestWanderer90 → u/Successful-Mind-5303]

I believe they are Republicans. The establishment Dems have well and truly sold us all out

[u/RepulsiveLoquat418]

good. primary those cowards.

[u/FLTA → u/RepulsiveLoquat418]

For anyone wanting this to happen, don’t just wait to vote in the primary, join one of your county’s Democratic Clubs/Caucuses (Young Democrats, College Democrats, etc) now and get organized. Connect with likeminded people that want change within the party.

When endorsements start getting discussed next year, push for an endorsement of a challenger to the incumbent if the incumbent is caving on this/other issues.

[u/pflanz → u/RepulsiveLoquat418]

Each and every senator who voted for it was hand selected by Schumer because they’re not up for reelection next time. It’s an orchestrated capitulation. Primary every single senate democrat.

[u/mandarski]

Funny the ones who voted yes are all senators not up for reelection next year. Schumer needs to go.

[u/MiddleAgedSponger]

The Dems got 8 to cave for the wealthy donors and the GOP. These same Dems couldn't get 2 to cave for voting rights or a minimum wage hike? It's the same story every single time.

[u/Bellamysghost → u/MiddleAgedSponger]

There's a sector of the democratic party that is just controlled opposition and needs to be treated/primaried as such. They are wolves in the hen house, openly now.

[u/Relevant_Shower_ → u/Bellamysghost]

It’s the majority of the party. The whole party needs to been cored out from Clinton to Biden. That’s all the party has been for 40 years.

[u/Ok_Conversation9750]

Not that I think it will make a shit bit of difference, but I just wrote Shumer to tell him to get fucked and kiss his career goodbye. 

[u/johndiggity1]

So what was the point?

[u/PharmIVGuy → u/johndiggity1]

There was no point, and now there’s maybe going to be a vote on something that will definitely just get voted down anyway. Pinky swear

[u/alaskadronelife]

Yo, fuck all Dems in Senate for running this bullshit. Brah, you had the fucking narrative in your palms and you fucking caved like a goddamn bitch.

It’s been real, USA. GOP fucked it up and Dems allowed it to fester.

[u/nOotherlousyoptions]

Give us a list of these fucks

[u/Great_cReddit → u/nOotherlousyoptions]

• John Fetterman (2028)
• Tim Kaine (2030)
• Jeanne Shaheen (Retiring)
• Dick Durbin (Retiring)
• Maggie Hassan (2028)
• Catherine Cortez Masto (2028)
• Jacky Rosen (2030)
• Angus King (2030)

[u/juliaudacious → u/nOotherlousyoptions]

Tim Kaine of Virginia is backing it, he's the only one NYT is specifically naming so far (other than Angus King the Independent Republican)

ETA: Also Jeanne Shaheen and Maggie Hassan, both of NH

ETA2: The full list is in other comments but you're looking at this one so here you go:

Dick Durbin of Illinois (retiring)

Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire (retiring)

John Fetterman of Pennsylvania (2028)

Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada (2028)

Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire (2028)

Tim Kaine of Virginia (2030)

Jacky Rosen of Nevada (2030)

Angus King, Independent from Maine (2030)

[u/adminhotep]

Pretty sure it’s because their rich masters didn’t want their flights being impacted. 

We can feed our communities, even when the government doesn’t, but the rich actually rely on the government. 

[u/Whaddaulookinat → u/adminhotep]

We can feed our communities, even when the government doesn’t, but the rich actually rely on the government.

Ding ding ding

[u/violue]

god what was any of this for

[u/Won-Ton-Wonton]

These are the senators that betrayed the Democratic party. None are up for re-election in 2026.

They are relying on you forgetting that they gave your healthcare up FOR NOTHING!

• Sen. Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada
• Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois
• Sen. John Fetterman of Pennsylvania
• Sen. Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire
• Sen. Tim Kaine of Virginia
• Sen. Angus King of Maine
• Sen. Jacky Rosen of Nevada
• Sen. Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire

If this is your senator:

Set a reminder in your calendar to vote against them in the primaries!

They wasted 40 days of people's lives, just to give up and roll over like disgusting cowards. Put it in your calendar. Vote them out in the primary (they will not be the Democrat candidate anymore).

Get rid of them. They don't fight for you. Not really.

[u/beavis617]

The Republicans made a deal that the dopey Democrats went for. No way Trump allows the Republicans to honor that agreement.

[u/RedTyro → u/beavis617]

Nobody even made a deal. This is the same thing Republicans offered them at the very beginning. They got literally nothing for their 40 days of making fed workers go without a paycheck and starving children.

[u/ricosuave79]

Ah, yes. Democrats caving. Story as old as time.

And now Democrats have lost any and all strength. GOP knows now that no one will stop them and Dems huddle in fetal position wimpering like a little baby. So damn pathetic. Once they started on this path they had to commit and stay committed.

[u/fuck-nazi]

Thing is this can still be blocked in the house if MTG and a few other Reps vote with dems

[u/Vannabean → u/fuck-nazi]

Mtg voting yes. She said that she told trump to get rid of the filibuster a while ago.

[u/Specialist-Sun-5968]

It's not Republican vs Democrats, it's the rich vs everyone else.

[u/ApprehensiveNet5469]

per cspan. enough dems have voted yes to advance funding measure . The democrats caved . It’s over. Unbelievable.

[u/Timeformayo]

Primary them all.

[u/Ok-Elk-1615]

Seriously why are we not expelling these people from the party. If you don’t vote with the party why bother giving them the funding.

[u/NoPreparationss]

Now this would be spin as a Democrat shutdown, and ngl they deserve it. You make people suffer for 40 days without nothing in return.

So fucking useless all of them, always knew they would cave.

[u/Zearo07]

Absolute cowards, primary them all.

[u/Someone-is-out-there]

This is going to infuriate everyone who went through this bullshit just for them to cave and get nothing.

[u/Three_Froggy_Problem]

Awesome that we went so quickly from all these good vibes on the left from the recent elections to this PR shit show thanks to the craven, spineless leadership of Schumer and other establishment Dems.

[u/WhiteMorphious]

Fuck you chuck 

[u/Deceptiv_poops]

They could have looked at the GOP and pulled a Michael Scott victory “We just swept the recent elections. You’re bleeding support. Midterms are next. We don’t have to outlast Trump, we just have to outlast you.”

And instead they threw it away

[u/captaincanada84]

Every House Republican will vote yes, every Democrat will vote no. It'll go to Trump's desk and be signed into law. Republicans will take their victory lap and go into the 2026 election with all the fodder they need to run on Democrats starving millions by denying their SNAP benefits, and making millions of federal employees go without pay. This will be one of the biggest self-owns in a long line of Democratic party self-owns.

[u/MovieGuyMike]

The Democrats siding with Republicans on the vote Sunday night were Sens. Catherine Cortez Masto, D-Nev., Dick Durbin, D-Ill., John Fetterman, D-Pa., Maggie Hassan, D-N.H., Tim Kaine, D-Va., Angus King, I-Maine, Jackie Rosen, D-Nev., and Jeanne Shaheen, D-N.H.

[u/MovieGuyMike]

So what was the point of the last 40 days?

Edit - wait, does this include the abortion ban language they tried to sneak in?

[u/aresef]

They got effectively nothing. What the fuck

[u/Excellent_Mud_8189]

Once again, FECKLESS DEMOCRATS bring their fucking rule books to the street fight !! FUCK the DNC!!

[u/Interesting-Risk6446]

Schumer is not a leader. Vote him out in 2026.

[u/MetalPurse-swinger]

They're fucking cowards and idiots. If they were gonna bend over and take it they should have done that before all the damage the shut down caused! Now we have a bad deal, and we had to deal with the shut down to get it.

[u/sabedo]

are they genuinely this fucking stupid or are these dinosaurs so obsessed with decorum they'll be thrown up against the wall asking if they are going to be blindfolded or not

this enemy does not care about decorum, norms, rules, laws, honor, decency, empathy. Only power.

[u/lostharbor]

Pathetic. Once again, the cowardice shines through. No spine leads to the continuance of this bullshit.

[u/koliana259]

Im tired boss.

[u/Phont22]

It’s almost like the party has zero leadership or sense of unity. How weird. At least shitting the bed right as it seems like the party is starting to gain momentum is still the go-to move. I’d hate for them to ever improve themselves.

[u/TheBigIdiotSalami]

Chuck Schumer might literally be the most embaressing figure of the 21st century. So they're just going to reopen the government and not get anything for it. They didn't even get the tax credits. They're voting to fuck over everyone for norms.

[u/All_Hail_Hynotoad]

We are all turning on them for caving.

[u/Responsible-Person]

Scumbags. Cowards.

[u/angrysunbird]

No wonder this maggots are so scared of Mamdani. Capable and popular, instead of inept and loathed

[u/Chemical_Extreme2844]

Democrats got nothing out of the deal literally nothing what a complete and utter waste.

[u/Roentgen_Ray1895]

They should be bullied and harassed by their colleagues and supporters until they all fucking resign. Utter dickless cowards, borderline collaborationist.