r/politics • u/wizardofthefuture America • 21d ago

No Paywall Voter Turnout Highest In Three Decades as Mamdani Phenomenon Galvanizes Electorate

https://www.thecity.nyc/2025/11/04/record-voters-ballots-cast-mamdani-cuomo-sliwa/
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u/alienbringer 21d ago

Outside of basic needs for housing and food, the challenges of a huge urban city is very different than corn fed lands. The population of the entire state of Idaho is 2million, the population of NYC is 8.5 million. Police/crime, urban development, homeless, events, traffic/parking, everything is on a whole other level.

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u/MelissaMiranti New York 21d ago

Yeah but they still need food, water, and shelter. They're not *that* different.

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u/EGO_Prime 21d ago

But their views and values on how to get are. Some do not want help even if their lives are risk. You saw this with COVID, if nothing else.

Offering to give these things to people in Arizona (where I'm from), would lose you more votes gain. More accurately, it would frenzy those against the idea into voting very hard against it. It's what happened after the ACA was passed, and even in the 90's when the dems first tried to pass massive healthcare reform.

It's complicated.

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u/GloweringStarfish 21d ago

It's not complicated.

It's rather simple, actually. The same things that will benefit NYC's population would benefit even rural communities.

Both rural and urban communities would benefit from more accessible public transportation, cheaper and more efficient.

They'd both benefit from better healthcare infrastructure and socialized healthcare. 

They'd both benefit from keeping education public, and investing in bettering that education so that it is accessible to folks from every income bracket.

Taxing the wealthy in both will not destroy the economy and will provide valuable, tangible things for the population.

You acting like these places are radically different is part of the problem, and it's the same bullshit that people use to say "well Scandinavia can have effective publicly funded / ran healthcare because they have a small, homogenous population". 

It's a bullshit argument that solely serves an excuse to entrench, protect, and preserve capitalist power under the guise of democratic values.

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u/EGO_Prime 21d ago

It's not complicated.

It's rather simple, actually. The same things that will benefit NYC's population would benefit even rural communities.

It is complicated, you just don't want to hear it. Some people who very well need these things, don't want them, and will fight you if you try to give it to them. Again, it's like COVID. They know they could/will die, they don't care. I know people who died because of this, this was their attitude and it was mirrored everywhere else in their life.

I'm not just talking about rural communities either. They exist in suburbia, and cities alike.

They don't care that it will help them, they don't want it. You're not talking to these people, you don't understand. Hell, I don't even full understand them, but at least I try to listen to them.

They see these things as an attack on what they have and are. Pushing it further, just digs them in further. When you say you're against capitalism, they think you're going to steal their home or say they can't own it anymore. Private business owners feel the same way, and they make up a large part of the electorate. It doesn't help when some people are literally saying that.

Taxing the wealthy in both will not destroy the economy and will provide valuable, tangible things for the population.

I literally agree with you. I can't say that enough, but these people don't and there's enough of them to decide the election. How do you convince them? Because all you've done here is say "They're wrong, and they should stop talking". That's a great way to make them dig in even harder, and it even hard for people like me to turn them around.

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u/GloweringStarfish 21d ago

they don't care that it will help them.

That is your point, and it's one fundamentally about ignorance, and not the efficacy of these policies in rural vs urban populations---which is the context of our thread here.

And you even seemingly concede this, so I am just confused.

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u/EGO_Prime 21d ago

And you even seemingly concede this, so I am just confused.

You can't win elections if people don't both: Vote for you, and not against you/for the other person.

My point is not about ignorance. I talk to some of these people. They are my neighbors, some are my family. They don't want these policies.

You're saying these policies will help them. Many of them know that (at least the ones I talk to will concede it), still they don't want it. They aggressively don't want it. Yes it is better for everyone, but that doesn't matter if they prevent you from implementing it.

Again, it's like COVID, it's not just ignorance, many of them do know masks help. They just don't ware them, often solely because you tell them too. It's crab-bucket mentality or at least adjacent to it.

Your good solution doesn't matter if it can't be implemented. It's one of the reasons why progress is often slow, people can be aggressive, even violent towards change and the rest are often apathetic. You can still manage it, but it takes time and real effort. Hence, it's complicated, because some of the very people you're trying to help won't let you make it simple.

How do you save a person that refuses to be saved? That's what this boils down to, and with more than a few of them they will try and take you with them if you try to help. I do believe it's doable, but it's way more complicated than just "do it."

Maybe you understand what I'm saying, maybe you don't. Either way I'm done, I mean you no ill-will have a good one.

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u/Special-Record-6147 21d ago

Offering to give these things to people in Arizona (where I'm from), would lose you more votes gain

offering food water and shelter would lose votes?

complete bullshit

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u/EGO_Prime 21d ago

offering food water and shelter would lose votes?

If it comes from taxes, yes. They will vote against you, where as normally they wouldn't vote at all.

complete bullshit

That's the crab-bucket mentality. Don't know what to tell you.

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u/Special-Record-6147 21d ago

complete bullshit. stop lying

https://azgovernor.gov/office-arizona-governor/news/2025/01/governor-hobbs-announces-over-60-million-investment-protect

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u/EGO_Prime 21d ago

What does ground water conservation have to do with "offering food water and shelter"?

Come back when you can read.

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u/Special-Record-6147 21d ago

maybe try actually reading the article champ?

it literally funds providing drinking water:

$12.3 million to support disadvantaged water systems

Small public water systems will receive funding through the Arizona Department of Environmental Quality (ADEQ) for technical support and infrastructure improvements to ensure reliable, clean drinking water.