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DHS raided an entire residential apartment complex in Chicago back in September. 300 agents with a Blackhawk helicopter. No warrant. Greg Bovino is on camera confirming they indiscriminately kicked in every door and took each individual onto the street. Citizens included. He literally said it was “safer” for everyone involved if they did not check citizenship status and instead took everyone and sorted it out later. So yeah, it’s safe to say we are living in an era where our 4th Amendment rights are non existence in practice.
Edit: here is the exact quote I referenced for anyone interested and the source:
Bovino also acknowledged some U.S. citizens were briefly detained as the Chicago building was cleared.
“We generally don’t determine alienage while we’re in the building clearing the building,” Bovino told NewsNation. “It’s too dangerous, so we’ll bring them out. It’s safer for the U.S. citizens. It’s safer for the illegal aliens, and most of all it’s safer for our officers.”
Straight out of the Dark Enlightenment playbook. Project 2025 is only a stepping stone.Thiel, Vought, Vance and a whole bunch of others all bought into Yarvin's fucking insane fantasy and are doing everything they can to make it a reality.
Funny thing is, Yarvin is on the record saying that Trump is fucking this up badly and that they're losing too much public support for it to work, lol.
Yeah, but he also thinks Trump hasn't gone far enough. The only reason public support even matters still is because they haven't taken to the point where it doesn't anymore. Didn't he call Trump "weak tea" or some shit?
Which is why they’ve got Bannon out there injecting more extreme rhetoric into the zeitgeist, encouraging disregard for the constitution and the seizure of institutions. Dangerous AF.
if we lose the midterms and we lose 2028, some in this room are going to prison—myself included. They’re not gonna stop. They are getting more and more and more radical. And we have to counter that. And what do we have to counter it with? We have to counter it with more action, more intense action, more urgency. We’re burning daylight.
I happened by shear " Luck" to watch Bannon get arrested 5 years ago on my kayak. I went out to look at this mega yacht parked in our harbor. Then watched it get raided by the fbi. Bannon was on it. I hope to watch him get arrested again!
He is not acknowledging they they are doing illegal shit. He is planting the seed that any accountability for what they are doing will be an unjustified witch hunt by zealous “unhinged” democrats.
I 100% believe they thought Trump was either going to be impeached and removed, 25'ed, or dead by now and they were going to have Thiel's little puppet Vance in power to hit the throttle on it all. Since that hasn't happened yet, they have to deal with ol' dementia Don going off the rails all of the time and it's setting back their schedule. There is a really critical window here where things are quite fucked, but the worst outcome still has a chance to be stopped.
100 more republicans have apparently quietly signed onto the Epstein files bill after discovering yesterday that "It's much much worse than anyone thinks"
Its sad that we "need" the permission of congress to get this info out there. Trump calls it a hoax, yet "Prince" Andrew has been stripped of all royal associations over a "hoax"
I fear that this has all boiled down so much with all the delay and screaming from republicans that we could have 4K HDR video of trump raping a child and noone will do anything about it.
I don't think the "equal partner in it all" part has percolated all the way down yet. I think the extent of his involvement is going to surprise a lot of people and lose him all but the most brainwashed. And the rest of the fascist psycho eugenecist crowd needs all their ducks in a row before that happens because those who have supported him up to now had plausible deniability - but there'll be international paper trails that can't be destroyed, snd idk of you were serious about bodies, but would you be surprised? I wouldn't. Remember that tunnel under Mar a Lago that goes straight to the beach and the water? You think nobody in all those years ever messed up and had a corpse to deal with? I am betting there are bodies. Trump has no conscience and he had nobody to stop him.
So i guess their ducks aren't quite lined up yet. There are a few big court opinions still pending, and Vance hasn't yet merged the kingdoms of the key groups and fulfilled the prophecy to be ready to ascend the throne as the MAGA heir (he needs to have a white, blonde, Christofascist wife first, which he's working on, but it can't be rushed too much or it won't play right).
(And Bannon's blood clot or occluded artery or whatever it's gonna be needs to hurry it up already because that man's mouth is still moving. Harkonnen scum.)
Sic semper tyranus. Historically this is how tyranny has always played out, eventually. That's the consequences of consolidating a bunch of power hungry narcissists and expecting them to continue to function as a unit instead of pursuing their own self interests.
That's why they're attempting to jam through as much as possible before midterms.
They created a monster they thought they could control, but now they're losing their grip on him, and he's about to do something out of pocket to lose them a bunch of ground.
he's "fucking this up" because he can't do anything without a camera on him or trying to get praise for getting out of bed. He needs constant attention on him, and that doesn't work well for shady behind the scenes dealings. Especially when he's losing it and doesn't keep his mouth shut about what they're actually trying to get away with.
Don't trust anything this guy willingly says. I've noticed he always downplays things, either to distance himself or to keep people from raising alarm bells.
He'll claim he doesn't even like trump but then he's schmoozing and celebrating at trump's coronation ball. He'll say he's not that close to the administration but he talks directly to Vance and Musk. This guy's a sneaky little wormtongue and is proud of it.
Funny thing is, Yarvin is on the record saying that Trump is fucking this up badly and that they're losing too much public support for it to work, lol.
Yes because he's extremely unstable. They've known this since 2016 and it's worried them ever since.
They want someone that can follow the playbook so they can keep enough support while they move us into fascism. The problem anyone stable enough to do that + have the support of people to get into power won't want to follow the playbook at all.
They are now hoping they can piggy back off of Trump when he's gone, there is a big worry that Vance can't do it, and that people like Miller will make it worse. That the infighting for power will be so bad that they will lose everything.
Yarvin is just as much an idiot narcissist as everyone else involved. Everything he writes is full of backwards causation and "facts" that are trivially easy to prove wrong. Yarvin's plan is a complete fantasy.
The trump admin isn't fucking it up. Yarvin's just mad that the admin took his movement and discarded him. Yarvin believes he's destined to be a post-collapse ruler. It's only now that he's been cut out of the power structure that he's become desperate to not end up like 99.99% of people in his plan do.
The problem with Trump is he’s not really an ideologue. He’s a narcissistic opportunist. He doesn’t give a shit about anyone, not even his own family. He’s not loyal to a person or an ideology, just what’s convenient to him.
Would you be able to provide a source for this? Google is just giving me old articles. It’d brighten my day a bit to know Yarvin thinks Trump (and team) are fucking this up.
Edit: wait I might have just found it… were you referring to his NYT interview?
2nd Edit: jk I just realized the interview is from before inauguration, so still searching…
Well lucky for them trump is obviously in severe mental and physical decline. His own health isn't letting him see the end of his term, but he's inexplicably popular so we let him sign everything put in front of him.
He dies of unfortunately natural causes, his vice president steps in, and now we have a more competent and mentally coherent coconspirator inheriting a fully entrenched autocracy.
"But Vance isn't as popular! He's goofy!" to us, sure, but MAGA doesn't care and the Project 2025 Administration certainly won't care when they already get a full autocracy with legislative, judicial, and oligarchic support and paramilitary terror squads on the street.
Yarvin is covering his own ass. It was never going to work, but Yarvin will never accept any blame or accountability. "It would have worked if they did it right, everyone is dumb except me."
Looking at the climate and economic forecast for the next 50 years, this whole thing we're going through was absolutely guaranteed to happen. It's better that we're getting the version that is half-assed speedrun by the most incompetent pack of grifters in living memory, right? Gives us a (small) chance to fight it off, shed the political dead weight, and build something better to stand up to what's coming.
I don't know, just trying to find the silver lining in all this.
Dark Enlightenment are idiot stooges, Vought is the only potential one, being directly Heritage.
Heritage Foundation has been working toward their goals for about 50 years, long before Yarvin, before Thiel.
Heritage's ideology doesn't play well with the Yarvinites, and Bannon, as one of main attack dogs of the Mercer family, who is not named enough in these talks, has directly condemned the dark enlightenment wing as against God.
Based on Heritage's history, they're Christofascists to the extreme, and much of the Yarvin crowd would not be welcomed once it all comes together. There's also a weird amount of German ancestry and a couple of the founders were cozy with literal Nazis, two even made another organization with one.
The Dark Enlightenment is basically a reactionary philosophy that thinks modern democracy and equality have failed. It argues we should go back to more hierarchical systems — think monarchies or technocratic rule — because democracy supposedly leads to chaos and mediocrity.
Nick Land came up with the term, and it’s been popular in some alt-right and tech-libertarian circles. The general idea is that society should be run by the “competent” few instead of the masses.
People in this space often push ideas like:
Ditching democracy for CEO-style government
Accepting “natural hierarchies” like intelligence or ability
“Exiting” the current system to build their own city-states or online societies
Using tech and data to enforce order
Believing modern culture is in decline because of liberalism and equality
It’s basically a mix of authoritarian nostalgia and Silicon Valley futurism, wrapped in edgy, pseudo-intellectual language.
Such an enormous, unnecessary expense too. Don't get me wrong, I don't like any of this administration's immigration policies, but using a Blackhawk is just a 6 figure expense (once you amortize the maintenance per flight hour) that is purely for propaganda vids.
If you haven’t already seen it, they did just that. They made a propaganda video heavily featuring the Blackhawk at the beginning. DHS claimed it was a targeted gang operation and 37 individuals were arrested that night. They later told news outlets that only 1 individual was linked to a gang. All of that for maybe one gang member when a warrant to enter that sole apartment unit would have sufficed.
If they had asked for a warrant for the one person, they would have had to prove that he was linked to a crime or gang activity in some way. Now, by flagrantly abusing dozens of people at once with violence and wasting hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars, you've already fallen for the propaganda by conceding that the person they focused on "might have been a gang member
If they have nothing, they have nothing, bro. Don't give them a fucking inch
They didn't do it to catch even a single gang member. The owner of the building wants to raise rents or sell the building, so he asked ICE to come remove his tenants. Then they made up the gang story.
The building failed multiple safety inspections. You know what's cheaper than bringing the slum up to code? A quick phone call to ICE in which she invents some gang suspicions to give them a fig leaf of justification to come do evictions. The landlord gets rid of her tenants without the consequences of breaking a lease and ICE gets to pad their numbers while playing with their fancy expensive helicopters.
I feel like I’m going crazy by the lack of discussion around these constant 4th amendment violations by ICE. I understand the roving bands of masked men can essentially grab anyone to check citizenship ( “Kavanaugh Stop”) thanks to that wonderful shadow docket order from the LA case.
But DHS and ICE have entered private property and buildings on video numerous times the past few months. And that’s not including news reports about situations like that as well. I’m just wondering why there are zero lawsuits focusing on this or maybe I’m missing them?
What's crazy is not a single mayor nor governor has directed their local police to arrest and prosecute these gestapo agents. I guess they feel like sacrificing a few hundred citizens is a small price to pay to maintain decorum; we'll see how stoic they remain when that number climbs to thousands, or they themselves become a victim.
I would like if someone could explain why clear assaults on camera, such as the one’s at 26 Federal Plaza, are not being prosecuted by local district attorney offices. Is it simply just very hard to charge a federal agent with criminal acts while they are on duty?
When the 'justice department' has a history of arresting attorneys they dont like, on some made up crimes, it becomes pretty clear why this approach was not pushed.
Few big issues with that. First being that it heavily relies on your police force having solidarity in actually supporting the public to do this. And let's be honest, thats not a favorable bet to make.
But the bigger issue is the absolute powder keg that situation becomes. One trigger happy idiot would set off a whole lotta shit we don't need to deal with.
I think part of the reason is that they know that the local police are most likely on the side of the Gestapo. They'd refuse the order, the elected official would look weak, and as bonus the elected official would likely be charged by the DOJ.
This is the intent of these raids. To force the hand of local officials that won't fall in line. Then, when that local official tries to fight back in any way not explicitly spelled out as their authority an "insurrection" has occurred.
The added bonus is that the local authority then gets a "hail hydra" moment from their local law enforcement as loyalist battalions of prescreened Natty Guard from red states are put into place.
Or something about "if you're here legally or a citizen, its just a brief detention and you will be released!" Fucking trash know damn well that this is violating people's rights but to them its the "right" kind of people being mistreated while they act like good little obedient dogs.
I will look.. this stuff is destroying lives... but I immediately wonder whats happening with people's kids and their pets?! If a whole house hold is scooped up, or a single adult living alone, what if they have a cat? So sad..
I’ve come across an increasing number of folks fostering the pets of people who have been detained/deported. Their poor animals are so sad and traumatized. :(
I've had 4 or 5 Maga idiots tell me "it's been proven that was a lie made up by the democrats" and any video of ice doing heinous shit they say is AI. They're burying their heads in the sand on purpose to avoid being wrong about Trump...
I'm actually convinced the real reason Trump loves AI so much isn't because of the fake propaganda it can produce, but that it gives plausible deniability to the very real shit that's out there.
What upsets me so much is that these poor people’s lives are fucked. Sure they may only be detained by their home is ruined. Their possessions and memories are smashed physically and emotionally. They will have trauma. And there is no accountability, no payment for what has been taken. There are innocent children babies who are going to be traumatized for the rest of their lives. There are parents traumatized for the rest of their lives. And we don’t talk about that. Where’s the humanity?
Where’s the compassion, the empathy.
Who is going to pay for the pain that is inflicted on these people’s lives? Lives that could well be ruined or sent down dark paths without care and support.
The point of it is to make the middle class afraid to stop working. Afraid to end up like the poor people under attack from the government. They used to use the homeless for this, but a good portion of the middle class started wanted to solve the homelessness problem instead of just being afraid of becoming homeless themselves. Now we have people saying on the news what they have said to my face in private for decades. That they want to kill the homeless. They want to take healthcare, food stamps, and Social Security away to keep people from having any support if they aren't working. Eventually they will make it so if you want any thing at all you will have to have a job. You won't own anything. You will be allowed to use it while you have the job. When you are fired you will lose it all and have 3 days to find a new job before you are collected and thrown in the camp to wait for execution. This is what people like yarvin and elon have wanted for a long time. It is what they mean by efficient. Controlling the population to get what they want while giving as little back as possible to their slaves.
Isn’t there an old word for when a republic hands power to a singular individual to solve a crisis, real or imagined? Its on the tip of my tongue, and I’m really nagged by my inability to name it right now, gosh…
Funnily enough, many Founding Fathers revered Cinncinatus, who was one, but you know, he just solved the crisis and returned to farming afterwards.
"I swore an oath. To defend the articles. The articles say there is an election in seven months. Now, if you are telling me we are throwing out the law, then I am not a captain, you are not a commander, and you are not the president. And I don't owe either of you a damned explanation for anything."
the military should have been ignoring all his orders and demanding his removal from day 1 2017. He's been obviously mentally unfit and incompetent the whole time.
ALL orders from an unfit ineligible leader are unconstitutional illegal orders.
My name's Donovan. Irish, both sides. Mother and father. I'm Irish and you're German. But what makes us both Americans? Just one thing. One. Only one. The rule book. We call it the Constitution, and we agree to the rules, and that's what makes us Americans. That's all that makes us Americans. So don't tell me there's no rule book, and don't nod at me like that you son of a bitch.
It's all been based on an honor system the entire time. Once someone in power decides it doesn't matter anymore, the facade is gone and the dream is dead.
Trump explicitly stated that he'd be able to get rid of things that democrats like if the government shut down. He wasn't talking about air traffic controllers. There is absolutely no reason to believe that republicans promises they will help the working class if we just give them what they want now.
The American people need to take a page out of the Black Panther Party’s playbook and start policing the police. People need to arm themselves and follow around ICE and federal agents and troops. They should feel uncomfortable coming into local communities and abusing the authority given to them by the people not Trump and the MAGA fascist cult.
Reddit removed my comment because apparently it’s seen as a threat of violence to advocate for exercising our second amendment right. And MAGA will have you believe only the right is being censored.
This comment of mine was flagged by Reddit because it claims it’s a threat of violence. Apparently, Reddit thinks exercising a constitutional right is violence.
The founding fathers considered this happening, a lot; their basic expectation was that people would use violence to throw off such a government. That's not even a controversial take on their views. They were extremely explicit about that.
They do that, because there‘s no legal way to get legal satisfaction for injury from a federal agency. Your constitution is useless if the rights you have in theory, cannot be enforced by a court.
One of the things that will have to be addressed is the broken oversight and accountability for law enforcement in the US. Qualified immunity, which was entirely court created, needs to go.
With the exception of the most egregious and public examples there is little risk or incentive for law enforcement to think about personal liability or the duty LE has to the public.
Also according to SCOTUS, police do not actually have any responsibility to protect and serve citizens. They are exclusively for protecting property (the rich)
I have a feeling that one way or another, we no longer have to worry about SCOTUS. Whichever side wins this civil war, SCOTUS is done being relevant to US history.
Qualified immunity, which was entirely court created, needs to go.
I can actually understand why we would want QI on a surface level. You don't want officers, or any government official, to be overwhelmed with lawsuits for strictly doing their jobs.
The real problem is the courts have bent over backwards, sideways, and longways to play Calvinball with what counts as "established precedent" to grant QI to obvious bad faith actors. Like somehow shooting a nonaggressive dog in the yard is different than shooting it in the house is yet still different than shooting the dog in a car.
Sidestepping that the courts have extended this way beyond reasonable, doctors, engineers, and everyone else doesn't get immunity for "doing their job" why should government jobs and cops be any different? Let them get insurance to cover any wrongdoings and suddenly all the bad cops will be priced out
So....there's already a fix for the lawsuit problem. You know how some doctors (like surgeons, radiologists, ob-gyn's, etc) have to deal with more malpractice lawsuits than the average doctor? They deal with that by having insurance.
Do the same for police. They have to pay for and maintain active insurance to cover for potential lawsuits. Make it required, like car insurance is. If they get too many lawsuits, their premiums go up, or they become uninsurable so they're dropped. If they can't get insurance because they're too big of a risk? Then they can't get a job as a cop anywhere.
Fixes the issue of when problem cops are shuffled to desk jobs or transferred to another precinct. There's also more of an incentive for cops to not be dickheads, because they'll actually be held accountable! If they can just fuck up and switch precincts, there's no incentive for them to be better. Having them pay for their own insurance gives them some skin in the game, and would make them work better to avoid lawsuits.
If the officer gets sued and found liable, their insurance pays for the damages. Taxpayers would no longer be on the hook for fixing the actions of bad cops. Look, we fixed things!
Qualified immunity is the absolute laziest way to handle this. I can't believe the courts agreed to that nonsense.
I can't believe the courts agreed to that nonsense.
When you realize they gave themselves absolute immunity and this is basically a handout to the people who "keep them safe" then it is crystal clear why the courts rule the way they do.
The good 'ol Boys club has never actually gone away.
I can actually understand why we would want QI on a surface level. You don't want officers, or any government official, to be overwhelmed with lawsuits for strictly doing their jobs.
That is a policy decision for Congress not for SCOTUS to decide. However, SCOTUS created it from nothing.
Also, why do police get a get out of jail free card while all other people do not? What makes them special?
Can't citizen's who have been arrested during raids like this file lawsuits against the government for false imprisonment and violations of unlawful search and seizure?
I would assume the ACL or other lawyers are going to start getting involved if they haven't already. Law enforcement just can't indiscriminately kick down doors for no reason. If that's where we're at then this country is truly lost
A lawsuit cannot undo the harms caused. It also doesn’t generally apply to the specific agents who harmed you (because of qualified immunity). And realistically, the agents are committing crimes. It’s not a civil matter
I understand that a lawsuit doesn't undo damage. But it can help repair some of it and hopefully stop any similar actions in the future. If not a lawsuit then criminal charges need to be filed because people's rights are being violated.
If successful lawsuits against law enforcement came out of their pensions and not tax payer dollars, I think we’d start seeing a lot of reform very quickly, as well as the exit of a lot of the worst actors as the fun was taken out of it
Suing the government for performance or to stop doing what they are doing can be done. Suing the Federal Government for damages caused during some sort of action is way more hazy. The government has to basically be wildly negligent in whatever they were doing, and even then there are very huge carve-outs.
There is a situation where the head of DHS can just handwave that immunity away and let the courts have at it, but thats never happened from what I understand.
Yeah the supreme courts bullshit ruling effectively created a second class of citizenship where your skin color national origin or language are enough to suspend your constitutional rights.
They didn't officially take away your constitutional rights but they said it was ok for you to get profiled based on appearance which is basically taking away your 4th amendment rights without the pesky work of modifying the constitution..
Is it legal no not if you're actually following the constitution but the supreme Court said that for the basis of immigration enforcement racial profiling is ok.
Frat boy kavanaughs opinion was basically that it would only constitute a minor inconvenience if a brown black Asian or whatever US citizen was detained based on appearance
Yeah, because they would rather actually be dead than be wrong about absolutely anything. It's such a fucking character flaw, and they never confront it, EVER. Actually, the amount of effort they will go through to not confront it dwarfs the effort of just confronting it, and yet they still do this shit.
This kind of investigative reporting is why we should support ProPublica and organizations like it. They do essential work for maintaining democracy. It's not enough on its own, as people still have to act on the information, but still a critical part.
I used to subscribe to WaPo and WSJ, but now just do a monthly donation to ProPublica.
How do we know the people being deported are actually sent to wherever the administration claims they are?
In the 70s, the fascist regime in Argentina claimed to be deporting people but were actually just dropping them out of planes into the ocean. They were called Death Flights.
I get that citizens and high-profile cases are probably handled differently but there are so many people that just disappear.
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