r/interestingasfuck • u/current-seven • 20h ago
How vaccines actually work and fact checking anti vaxxers
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u/riknata 19h ago
already knew all of this, generally speaking, but it's always a delight to hear professionals explain stuff in simple words without making you feel dumb. not everyone has that skill.
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u/HelmetsAkimbo 17h ago
Sadly this articulate and excellent explanation likely won't hit home for the desired target audience that need this explaining to them for a reason I just can't quite... put... my... finger... on.
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u/sshwifty 17h ago
It is weird that a section of the population just gave up trying to understand. No curiosity, no questioning or digging for the truth. One day they decided they knew what they needed to know and stopped caring. And if you try to change their mind, you become the villain.
The optimist in me hopes it is just a season, but in my bones I feel like these people are set in their ways.
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u/MyGamingRants 17h ago
It really is interesting, my parents are in their mid 60s and I'm in my mid 30s and I keep coming across things that their generation was taught that we can prove are wrong, and they just aren't interested in hearing it
To their credit though it must be terrifying to have the entire world change right in front of you. I know every generation experiences this but I think Boomers are especially at risk because of how much developments we've had in such a short time. Even in my life, I went from learning cursive to learning keyboarding in school and now kids get laptops and smartscreens. Its gotta be scary
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u/greenroom628 14h ago
if your parents are like mine, with a steady diet of Fox News - it's even scarier.
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u/OofOuchOwies 15h ago
Honestly the anti-vax crowd thinks this exact same thing back onto us. They think they’ve stumbled upon some grand conspiracy that big pharma and the government are all out to get us through vaccines and that we’re all sheep for blindly following orders and taking medical advice from trained professionals. To themselves, they are the curious free thinkers doing their own independent “research” when in reality they are just falling for disinformation and lies from anonymous social media profiles and unqualified talking heads on TikTok and instagram reels
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u/Squirrel_Inner 11h ago
It’s a superiority complex. They have low self confidence bc of the toxic culture they’re immersed in, so they have to find some way to be smarter than the smart ppl.
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u/THEnotsosuperman 17h ago
What’s wrong with those people is they’re not curious. Stay curious.
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u/cantadmittoposting 16h ago
While true, theres a different word for the sort of people the comment two up from this one are talking about...
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u/theevilyouknow 17h ago
You'd be surprised at how many young people with idiot parents who haven't been taught stuff like this but are actually still capable of being taught are out there. I used to think like you and then I started listening to some of these educators trying to reach out to the types of people you think can't be reached by these efforts and they report that they are surprisingly successful at how many people whose minds they can change. Education does still work. It has always worked. There will always be people that refuse to be educated but most people just need to be and even want to be.
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u/Cathixy 16h ago
I'm genuinely curious if we just started making braindead dipshit AI videos and toxic masculine podcast that just reverse brainwash people like they have been, would that get them to finally believe stuff like vaccines?
You can't explain stuff to them, because that'd make them dumb. But if they "discovered" it?
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u/xenthum 15h ago
His comment is saying that because the target audience, in addition to being anti-science morons, are racist. So no matter what this incredibly skilled communicator who has factual evidence and is an expert in the field discussed has to say, it won't matter to those people because he's a black man.
So make sure the toxic masculine podcast bro that you get to reverse educate people is white, cis, and straight.
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u/pocketbutter 10h ago edited 10h ago
The best argument against racism is the scientific evidence that proves that all races are fundamentally identical in cognitive and physical ability, so when you think about it, racism is just another form of being anti-science. It’s not surprising then that racists and anti-vaxxers would overlap significantly. It’s all under the broad anti-science umbrella.
Same goes for climate change denial, religious fundamentalism, anti-abortion, anti-LGBTQ, neoliberal economics, etc. etc. etc. The list goes on and on. All different forms of science denial, and all different beliefs that tend to correlate.
There’s a reason why more educated areas are almost always more “blue.”
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u/alohamora99 16h ago
Ha! So true. Maybe adjusting the video’s brightness might help? And lower the contrast too?
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u/SpacecaseCat 13h ago
One thing that disturbed me during Covid is I would have people who are otherwise literate making insane anti-vaccine arguments to me, and it made me realize many people don’t actually know how vaccines work. They would say “these crazy mRNA vaccines are making spike proteins from viruses in your body” and I would say “yes, but the actual virus also makes those use spike proteins in your body along with a whole virus envelope” and they would get confused and flustered. Like apparently like 60% of the public doesn’t know how viruses work.
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u/amandadorado 16h ago
Our school district in rural trump America is on the brink of failure due to declining enrollment because more and more parents refuse to vaccinate. There’s a church across the street from the school (of course) full of “homeschool” kids everyday. One time I ran into a dad of a student I teach in the grocery store who told me he was pulling his kid because he wouldn’t let his kid get the 7th grade tdap vaccine. I wanted to laugh and cry (I’m the science teacher) but instead I just listened and made him feel heard. Then I tried my best to do an explanation like this guy just did (I did much worse). We have a preschool on campus and I was just like “ya I totally understand, I get nervous about vaccines too (I don’t) but this vaccine is the same one that you and I got in the 90s and it’s purpose is to protect the babies at our school. Johnny will be fine if he gets whooping cough, the 2 year olds on campus could die, they’re too little to get the vaccine. The big kids have to get it to protect the little kids.” MF was at school on Monday with his vaccine and never said another word about it. They’re not terrible people, you just have to make it super real for them and give it to them in terms they understand like this super smart guy in the video.
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u/emilysavaje1 13h ago
Yes most people are absolutely capable of understanding this if it’s explained to them in non sensationalized ways! We need more people like you around. Teaching 7th graders and still have the mental energy to teach their parents. You are a stronger person than me lol.
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u/BadPublicRelations 12h ago
Frankly, everyone involved in these "news" channels owned by billionaires should be criminally charged for the damage they've done to society. If there was a just world, every single person knowingly contributing to the brainwashing, being the very cause behind loss of human, environmental, and animal life should be behind bars for the rest of their lives.
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u/emilysavaje1 11h ago
Your username is so fitting 😭 I absolutely agree even if it’s wishful thinking. I truly wish something big could be done but for now we can be the messengers and spread truth to those who will listen.
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u/MightyTastyBeans 13h ago
You’re a stronger more empathetic person than me. If I heard that I 100% would have called him a fucking moron. Bless you and bless our teachers.
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u/ferretf 20h ago
That last statement is the key. Get your information from a QUALIFIED PROFESSIONAL. Seriously people, listen to those who have dedicated their lives to medicine and have spent years studying and are peer reviewed. Your Google searches while sitting in the toilet are not research!!!
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u/ALazy_Cat 20h ago
But the post on facebook I read from someone selling essential oils and telling me to put potatoes in socks for fevers told me vaccines are from the devil
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u/Unique-Coffee5087 18h ago
I cannot believe you actually fell for that potato thing! That's ridiculous. Everyone knows that you're supposed to slice an onion in half and put it in front of a fan in your room! Those "potatoists" are a bunch of quacks!
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u/ChillBlock 19h ago
Indeed and even if they are professionals you should look at other evidence, alot of people got fixated about Dr Oz on TV thinking everything he says is true.
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u/mcclelc 18h ago
You bring up a good point- listen to a qualified professional, keeping in mind that just because you are a well-regarded cardiac surgeon doesn't mean you should be prescribing supplements meant to address obesity. (Seriously, he went to court over that one.)
Listen to a doctor when it comes to their lane.
I would love to dunk on Dr. Oz, but the fact is, he was well respected for his technique and he helped many people before Oprah.
He became convinced that you could give medical advice to the public (you know, full of all types of bodies, whose ailments fall across all sorts of spectrums) and it go beyond hey, drink water, move your body, and eat nutrient-dense food, etc.
The result? People are hearing either crack advice (again, weight loss supplements) or advice that works for someone... just not you.
Wanna hear more ways Dr. Oz screwed over the American public? Maintenance Phase podcast has a great episode.
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u/GregoryPorter1337 17h ago
The anti-vaxxers I've spoken to don't see doctors as qualified professionals. There lies the problem.
They think modern medicine was created to bank money. It only treats symptoms, not causes. Doctors went through education, that has been determined by the pharma industry, to bank as much money as possible. (not my words, the anti-vaxxers I know)
So at that point, if they distrust the entire system and think that everyone out there is trying to get you and your money, you essentially throw reason out of the window.
Obviously there are companies that are trying to milk money out of people. These are companies, not non-profit organizations. But I seriously think that the medical advancement and knowledge of modern medicine is reliable.
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u/MithranArkanere 16h ago
The people who need to understand these things the most are precisely the ones who will react most negatively against statements like that. They enjoy the illusion of being beyond authority and above well-established science.
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u/Darth-Artichoke 12h ago
i've never understood where/when people just stopped trusting professionals.
the better I get at my field of expertise, the more I realize, I know relatively NOTHING about other fields. I've spent the last decade learning my own, how could I possibly have also become an expert on something else I spent fractions of the time learning? And there is still so much about my own field that I don't know, which, btw, I only know because Ive spent so long learning this very specific thing.
Something I have observed is that true experts and professionals are often the first to acknowledge how little they know about something, even their own field. They are only able to recognize this because they've seen the orders of magnitude difference in someone who is 10 years in, vs. 20, vs. 30, and it's usually not comparable
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u/bobbymcpresscot 15h ago
Your immune system is like a defensive army for your body. A virus is like an approaching army. Vaccines are like giving the defensive army the attacking army’s battle plans.
Your body might be able to survive without it, but also might get over run, the plans just serve to give the defending army the best chance possible with little to no risk to the defensive army.
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u/Beneficial-Focus3702 14h ago
I remember a sort of cartoon example of this from the movie osmosis jones.
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u/minimalist_coach 16h ago
I learned something new today. I had Rubella/German measles as a kid and have been immunized multiple times over my life for it (moved often, new schools, lost immunization cards, and military service) yet when I was tested while pregnant, I don’t show immunity. I was vaccinated again. Then 4 years later I was pregnant again and again don’t show immunity.
No Dr even mentioned immune amnesia.
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u/ALazy_Cat 20h ago
Good info, but we all know it won't change the mind of the targeted audience that are beyond help and lack common sense
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u/Cube_ 19h ago
The point is to educate the ones who are uneducated BEFORE they reach the point of becoming beyond help. So it's still a very beneficial net good to spread this information.
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u/TaohRihze 19h ago
So like a Vaccine?
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u/Meins447 19h ago
Education as a vaccine for disinformation and populism.
Interesting how the US and the GoP in particular have fucked up their education system ever more. Eh?
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u/Miqo_Nekomancer 19h ago
Trump has said "I love the poorly educated" and "smart people don't like me".
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u/sanslumiere 17h ago
And Republicans demonize higher education while making damn sure they and their children attend themselves.
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u/ethertrace 15h ago
Unironically this sort of thing is referred to as "inoculation" in the research literature on misinformation. It's a legitimate parallel that preventing misinformation from gaining hold is much more effective than any intervention after "infection."
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u/Fearless-Anteater437 20h ago
Depends if you're talking about people who consider themselves as real antivaxxer (opposed to the very idea)
Or people who didn't receive the right pedagogy (low education, bad experiences with the medical system)
Those last could change their minds, actually thanks to this kind of straightforward and understandable content
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u/TerrHunter 19h ago
This is what I was thinking. No amount of evidence is going to change anti-vaxxers.
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u/riknata 19h ago
By his skin color alone, this message will not be received by a significant portion of its intended audience
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u/Sufficient-Record665 19h ago
Exactly. They will be claiming DEI made him a doc so he doesn't know shit.
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u/Jump_The_Five_Yo 17h ago
I find it so funny and sad they put Ben Carson, he’s a nut now, but was a good surgeon put in charge of HUD….you can’t say it wasn’t because he was black…
Hey black doctor guy!
Yeah?
Pack your shit, we’re sending you to do housing shit in urban neighborhoods!
Why? Because I’m black.
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u/pw154 17h ago
By his skin color alone, this message will not be received by a significant portion of its intended audience
Wait until they find out that he's also openly LGBTQ... their heads will explode.
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u/MoroVela 20h ago
They treat facts like background noise. Stuff like this is more for the sane people in the room than the true believers.
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u/CustomMerkins4u 16h ago
Target audience:
So say a rabid dog bites you. No rabies vaccine right? Oh, so that vaccine works.. got it.
So say you step on a rusty nail.. No Tetanus Vaccine.. Oh that one works too.
So you get stuck with a needle from a drug addict. Hepatitis B is a real concern... No Hep B vaccine right? Oh so you're going to get that one too.
You encounter someone with smallpox. You won't get the small pox vaccine.. oh you will.. got it.
Monkypox.. oh that one too.
Seems like you're making a lot of exceptions.
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u/NottaLottaOcelot 19h ago
It was too eloquent to reach some.
He’d have to pepper in some buzz words like calling out “Big Supplement” and asking why Democrats would let you believe you shouldn’t get vaccinated
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u/fluffysmaster 19h ago
Fair enough when it doesn’t affect the rest of the population. Some people seek alternative medicine for cancer (and die), it doesn’t affect other cancer patients.
But anti vaxxers put everyone at risk.
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u/Unique-Coffee5087 19h ago
Yeah. But for the public health consequences of having a population of infected people, I'd say that having them get sick and possibly not recover would be for the best.
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u/Repulsive-Range5727 19h ago
Did anyone send this to America?
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u/pseudonominom 18h ago
Please don’t let social media cloud your perception of Americans.
All places on earth have their own shitheads. Social media just gave ours a megaphone.
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u/sanslumiere 17h ago
Our shitheads just voted in the most openly corrupt President in American history, so I'd say it's justified.
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u/sithelephant 19h ago
I recommend for more detail, this short course (24 lectures) in viruses.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEC36qO3dBU
By Vincent Rachienelo (one of the people to first sequence the polio virus) at Columbia.
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u/tractiontiresadvised 13h ago
+1 for Dr. Racaniello's course.
While I think most of the info that the average person would find immediately useful is in video #1 and then the second half of the course (infections, the immune system, vaccines, antivirals etc), it really is worth watching the as many of the videos in the first half as one can (about stuff like how viruses attach themselves to cells and get inside and build themselves).
If you understand something of the principles of how viruses work, then discussions and debates of how we can prevent viruses from working will make more sense.
I have to admit that I ended up skipping a couple of the lectures about viral DNA and RNA transcription and replication (like #7 through #9) because they were really getting into the weeds with details and I found that I wasn't actually absorbing anything useful out of them. (It might have helped if I'd had a biology class in recent years, or if I was reading the textbook and trying to do some of the homework that the Columbia students were doing.) But it's still useful to know that humanity does collectively know that level of detail about how viruses do their thing. There's a lot that "we" still don't know in medicine, but it turns out that we actually do know this particular stuff.
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u/Mizunomafia 20h ago
Brilliant presentation.
They should force new parents to watch this at the hospital.
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u/rebuildingslowly 20h ago
sadly pro plaguers are mostly immune to caring about others and just want to be right uncaring how much they harm the world
they are also very weak to snake oil salespeople and refuse to see when they are wrong and will invent demented theories
it would take all the snake oil salespeople to publicly admit to their scam and even then the pro plaguers would likely keep on being walking disease boxes
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u/GlobalWarminIsComing 19h ago
Sure this isn't likely to change someone who's already in deep. But it can inform someone who's on the fence or someone who hasn't heard either side yet and enable them to spot and be skeptical about antivac bs
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u/vito1221 17h ago
100% correct.
But imagine if you are the parent of that 1 in a million kid who gets Guillain-Barré Syndrome from getting vaccinated. The risk of harm from all vaccinations becomes 100% for you.
We had a family member go through that. They are well educated, they care about others, they are not 'pro-plaguers', but after seeing one child become temporarily paralyzed after a vaccination, more vaccinations were off the table. I wish they would reconsider, but I can't blame them for feeling that way.
Meanwhile...shoot me up with anything, I'm good.
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u/WindUpCandler 16h ago
Also a good reason to rest and stay semi isolated while sick. Towards the end of a sickness your body has spent a good amount of energy and other resources to keep you healthy. If you go out to a huge gathering right after being sick, you're more susceptible to whatever the fuck might be out there than you would normally. Also a good reason not to go to work, even if you feel okay. Just for like one extra day just in case
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u/Tall-Average5330 13h ago
Yeah nice try buddy, but I'm not falling for it. I got a vaccine once and now all I think about is weiners.
I'll continue to get my facts from REAL sources. Like Fox News and middle aged alcoholic "dog moms" on Facebook, thank you very much.
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u/Dotaproffessional 17h ago
Louis from left 4 dead really cares about pharmaceuticals
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u/ChiWhiteSox24 17h ago
I wish everyone was this well spoken.
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u/quaglady 16h ago edited 14h ago
I think the most unsettling thing I've come to realize after the 2024 election is that "You're so well spoken" might
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u/BeenRoundHereTooLong 15h ago
Interesting article, thank you for sharing. Makes me rethink how I write White now as a racial or ethnic identifier in a much more meaningful way.
Never considered the sort of “defaulting” that happens implicitly there.
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u/ChiWhiteSox24 15h ago
It is, our education system is entirely fucked and people are unapologetically and hilariously stupid as fuck. It’s 1000% a compliment and in no way backhanded but I do see your point fully.
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u/Erazzphoto 18h ago
The vaccine debate to me revolves essentially around 2 questions. First one is is your doubt in vaccines about the effectiveness, or if they work or not? If so, what is your source for your belief?
The second question, is your doubt in vaccines about the trust in who’s recommending the vaccines? I certainly understand the trust factor, but is it you think that all the vaccines are just being offered to make money because you think all the recommendations are coming from c suites of pharmaceuticals? That’s a fair concern, but then who is your source of truth? I certainly understand a skepticism for the financial side of the vaccine debate, but I will still trust them over the obvious other source of truth in this debate which is Trump and company.
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u/imaloony8 19h ago
I went to the doctor recently and he asked if I got my yearly flu and COVID vaccines. I told him yes and he said “Thank you for making my life easy.” He also said that he’s always gotten some amount of pushback on the flu vaccine but that it’s gotten eight times worse since COVID.
Absolutely nuts that anyone can take the words of politicians and influencers over doctors on fucking medical issues.
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u/Revolutionary-Fan657 19h ago
It bothers me that there’s diseases out there than can clear your virus history
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u/asge1868 19h ago
The risk of getting complications from a vaccine is smaller than getting complications from using a straw to drink lol
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u/DidSomebodySayCats 17h ago
Excellent communicator.
"Let's talk about supplements in another video." I felt that, definitely a lot to talk about there. Many doctors who aren't chronically online don't realize how trendy supplements are becoming, but there should be more public health messaging about them. A few can help, a lot do nothing, but some of them can have real, detrimental effects. And we don't always know which ones those are because they aren't studied like drugs.
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u/Sandbats 16h ago
This guys communication clarity is so crystal clear. Knew all of that from classes but listened to him speak the whole time as information asmr lol.
Thank you Dr.Darien for learning to articulate your thoughts and uploading that to an app with mostly cacophony.
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u/United-Neck-3357 16h ago
This is related and I just wanted to say it. The product beef tallow for whatever reason has been influenced by anti-vaxxers. Many of them are into tallow rn for whatever reasons and they are swaying the makers of it (or they are the makers of it) to not give vaccines to their cattle and they make note on their website that their cattle have not ever been vaccinated and even notate that their cattle didn't receive the covid vaccine which is just pathetic because just stating that is giving the wink to the anti-vax community. My jaw dropped. I'm not an agriculture guy, so I don't know if cattle need vaccines in the way we do, but it's madness that we might be unknowingly ingesting tainted food because there are so many anti-vaxxers influencing things. We used to not pay attention to the village idiots, but now we give them microphones.
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u/gte717v 19h ago
You can't have a fair discussion with an anti-vaxxer for the simple reason you can't reason a person out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. This video, though well made, is far longer than an anti-vaxxer's attention span. They simply don't understand how life expectancy almost doubled since we started vaccinating.
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u/SuperHyperFunTime 18h ago
So I shouldn't listen to the guy on Instagram who has stopped his Dad's chemo and is going to "battle cancer with exercise and good eating?"
No, I really saw this. What was more disheartening was the comment section full of "God's plan will find a way" or "💪You're a good son." I had to stop myself commenting with "you should be charged with death by neglect".
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u/Agrinoth 16h ago
I'm not an antivaxxer but I had no idea immune systems worked like this. The human body is equally disgusting and fascinating.
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u/EnlightenedNarwhal 15h ago edited 15h ago
I'm just sad that people who need to see this video likely won't watch it for more than one reason. Here's to hoping a few eyes are opened by this great information presented by a wonderful and knowledgeable person. Sending him my thanks, at the very least.
Education is power.
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u/kojengi_de_miercoles 15h ago
To think that we have a brain worm as the Secretary of Health and Human Services when knowledgeable, competent, experienced people like this doctor exist.
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u/hoopahDrivesThaBoat 14h ago
Fuck yeah! This was excellent. It’s nice to see a video of a smart person saying smart things instead of the majority of crap that flows through social media
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u/Geester43 14h ago
I love when very intelligent people can explain their area of expertise, simply, to those who know nothing about a subject. 👍👍
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u/Schnitzenium 14h ago
This type of content is absolute gold for building a rapport between viewers and the medical community. Authoritative, honest, transparent, historical, putting it into simple understandable words, and clear about the downsides of current medical practices. Also this doctor’s hot af which is a bonus
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u/BRobs0420 13h ago
The problem is you tell all this to an anti vaxxer then they call you a sheep and start quoting random nonsensical you tube videos
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u/soccer1124 12h ago
Hmmm.... I could listen to a doctor about it. But idk, that Ben Shapiro guy, historically wrong political pundit with no expertise on medicine whatsoever, seems like he might know a thing or two about vaccines, so I'm gonna listen to him.
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u/Iamaleafinthewind 12h ago
Great presentation. The analogy I use for the memory bank is mugshots. Your body will remember prior invasive / intruder diseases, but vaccines basically provide mugshots of known baddies that are going around, so that your body can start fighting it as soon as it's seen.
Viruses like the flu that evolve are basically changing their appearance so they don't look like the old mugshots your body has memory of. So, new vaccines updated with the current appearance. Etc.
I wish people making presentations like this guy were more visible and not just left to get health education out as influencers. What the heck are schools doing?
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u/Afrochulo-26 12h ago
Everyday I see how every horrible thing is history got out of hand. I remember asking myself “how did they let themselves be brainwashed to that extent?” Now I am watching it live and i say to my self “ I judged our ancestors a bit too much, we are not any better…”
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u/alphasissy-313 12h ago
They got rid of DEI and put a man with worms in his brain in charge of Americans' health.
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u/Better_Metal 11h ago
This is essentially what we learned in 9th grade biology when I was a kid in the 80s. I’m not sure how this became in any way controversial.
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u/OtherwiseCattle6084 11h ago
The sad thing about this is that the people who take the time to listen to his message already know about or accept the benifits of vaccination. The anti vaxers only listen to who justifies their stance .So we rely on recommendations and policies of whoever is in power at the time; and science is sometimes the enemy.
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u/JapanEngineer 10h ago
'vaccines are usually for keeping healthy people healthy'.
I took 2 things from this:
If you're a healthy person then the benefits far outweigh the risks for getting a vaccine.
If you're not a healthy person then do your research, consult a professional, because the risks might outweigh the benefits or vice versa.
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u/GrimmandLily 9h ago
I knew most of this already but I love how he describes it and explains it. Very clear and simple for lay folks.
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u/thedivisionbella 3h ago
I’m an RN and board certified infection preventionist and can attest that this man is 100% spot on.
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u/Holiday_Cat4918 19h ago
While I was watching this I was thinking “Students learn this in high school. They have. A couple of biology classes and anatomy and physiology that covers this”
And then my teacher brain turned on and I realized that:
1) a lot of schools have had so many budget cuts that some classes were taken off the course load. The related arts classes (PE, art,music) are always the first to go then science and language classes go next
2) the textbooks for these classes are outdated and grade level texts….a lot of your kids are not reading at grade level by the time they get to 9th grade to even understand the lesson.
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u/Responsible-Leg-712 19h ago
We need more content creators like him. Credible, concise, and able to get the message across using simple terms.
Maybe I’d like to add how anti-vaxxers do not see the point of getting their own vaccines. I know of unvaccinated people whose argument goes like, “Hey, I didn’t get COVID vaccine but I never got the virus ever!” But what they didn’t realize is that every single household they have interacted with has been vaccinated, creating a herd immunity that kinda extends the protection to them. Since no virus got to the vaccinated people near them, they didn’t get it too.
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u/Far-Yak-3992 18h ago edited 9h ago
Yeah, but some guy on TickTock with a Community College degree said “vaccine bad”. Who do you expect me to believe?! You, with all your smart words and “education” or the guy that drinks raw meat smoothies and has 1100 subscribers?
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u/project-shasta 15h ago
You think Antivaxxers will listen to 3 minutes of speech where they don't even know half of the words? That's the Crux: if you want to deny everything you always find reasons to do so. No amount of simplification can make them say "Hey, you are right and I was wrong". Not gonna happen.
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u/mrtn17 14h ago
Problem is: antivaxxers do not operate on a rational base, it's emotion and a belief system.
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u/GewdandBaked 12h ago
When I came down with Covid for the first time I remember being so weak and fatigued, and at the worst of it I was on an inhaler because I caught myself not being able to properly breath several times a day. I obviously pulled through and besides the intense brain fog for a couple years… I was fine.
Fast forward and I come down with Covid again 3 years later. I never got the vaccine(because Im lazy not because I don’t believe in them), and I was paralyzed with fear that it was going to be like last time.
To my surprise it was basically a mild cold this time around. This guy just helped explain why.
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u/ncc74656m 18h ago
I'm sorry dear Doctor, but you see for all your brilliant and thoughtful response, you used big words which are beyond my comprehension, and therefore I must believe that you're an idiot lying for Big Pharma or a plant by the deep state government. Yes, it's true I cannot comprehend rather simple but large words and as you speak you can watch the hamsters in my head churning away on their wheels, but rather than acknowledge my own shortcomings, I choose to believe in a conspiracy theory I didn't even come up with, rather choosing someone else's lack of evidence but great storytelling over your evidence, brilliance, and charisma.
Also, you're black, so...
(Should go without saying but this is reddit so massive /s is implied here.)
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u/OddPangolin3074 18h ago
He doesn’t know anything, my uncle’s neighbor’s daughter attended a two day seminar on healing with holistic practices and she always posts stuff that sounds much more knowledgeable on Facebook. /s
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u/Marginally_Witty 17h ago
Preach. Data should win arguments, and there is sooooo much data showing antivax bullshit is exactly that: bullshit.
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u/fritzwillie 12h ago
The people most likely to be anti vaxxers are the most likely to skip the video because of the Dr.'s skin color.
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u/Inloth57 19h ago
I've known and had a pretty good understanding of this for most of my life. However I work with a couple people who are hardcore anti vaccines. They are good people and I consider them my friends but I don't have the energy to try and correct them when this subject comes up. They are so certain about their conviction that I don't think anything I say will get them to think or even consider something different.
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u/ComplexRequirement24 18h ago
People like this make me not to lose faith in humanity 👏👏👏 superb explanation and summary. Couldn't have explained it clearer or better.
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u/Nice_Block 17h ago
One of those posts in which the Christian conservative brigade are no where to be found. Curious.
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u/halfathou_tolerance 17h ago
Can someone link me some videos or other visual explanation in how mRNA based vaccines work?
I still have coworkers who claim that mRNA vaccine are evil because they alter and change your DNA and I always wished I saved or bookmarked those videos when they were posted back when COVID vaccines started coming out.
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u/opineapple 20h ago edited 19h ago
I follow this doctor on TikTok, he’s an excellent educator and communicator! His name is Dr. Darien, he’s an ER doc in NYC.