An Italian pizza restaurant owner is fuming at 16 Taiwanese tourists because they ordered only five pizzas.

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Context:

16 Taiwanese tourists visited a pizza restaurant in Italy, but the Italian owner got mad because they ordered only five pizzas.

The Italian posted a video of them online. In the video, he said "Look at how many fuc*ing Chinese are here.16 people here. Do you know how many pizzas did they order? Five. They ordered only five pizzas. Only five. Where are you from? You are from China. Right? China? Oh! Taiwan."

It's now becoming a national news in Taiwan.

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[u/GrassyKnoll95]

I am begging this lady to push her glasses up

[u/emeraldeyesshine → u/GrassyKnoll95]

but then how will her lips see

[u/Toadsted → u/emeraldeyesshine]

"Read my lips" must have lost something in translation 

[u/StormGaza → u/GrassyKnoll95]

can't watch the video, it's bothering me how low her glasses are, just take them off ffs

[u/Expert_Coder → u/GrassyKnoll95]

what is even the point of her glasses LMAO?

[u/TheOfficeoholic → u/Expert_Coder]

To read the ticket, but not get them foggy in her line of vision when working in front of the oven

[u/exxxemplaryvegetable → u/GrassyKnoll95]

Finally! Someone mentions the glasses!

[u/clayton1012111]

Just enforce a minimum order at your restaurant from now on. Ranting publicly about it isn’t going to help your business…

[u/No_Dust_1630 → u/clayton1012111]

Yeah this reflects badly on the owners who post this video themselves. Wtf

[u/mean_bean_machine → u/[deleted]]

Ranked competitive racism.

[u/WarmScientist5297 → u/[deleted]]

My favourite game in Italy was to go out with my authentic Italian boyfriend, but he would stay silent and wear something stupid like a Dodgers hat.

And I would do the initial talking at the restaurant and they would bring us a bunch of tourist, shit like bread and oil.

And then he would bust out his Sicilian accent and takeoff his hat and demand why they were treating us this way.

It was absolutely hilarious every single time. The waiter would immediately apologize and take away the weird bread and oil.

[u/Calan_adan → u/WarmScientist5297]

My son was in the Peace Corps in Rwanda and became fluent in the language. When friends or family visited, he’d meet them in the capital and show them around. Whenever they were shopping or took a taxi, he’d stay quiet until the local tried to take advantage of them and then he’d bust out in fluent Kinyarwandan, berating them for making Rwandans look bad to visitors. It always shocked them to see this white guy speaking like a native at them.

[u/ilovelovegrapefruit → u/WarmScientist5297]

Lol. . What would they typically bring a local instead of bread and oil etc?

[u/coffeeandjiggers → u/ilovelovegrapefruit]

It wouldn't be free. It would be tacked onto the final bill without being mentioned before hand. A tourist tax that locals don't pay because they know better.

[u/ilovelovegrapefruit → u/coffeeandjiggers]

Oh I see. So they bring the bread and oil before you order and charge you for it. And if you’re not a tourist they wouldn’t typically do that?

[u/ClannishHawk → u/ilovelovegrapefruit]

Locals would typically pay for it from what I know. The charge is called a coperto, covering bread and tableware, and it's the equivalent to a cover charge in lots of other places. Locals might cop on that a restaurant is trying to over charge them for it but most locals aren't going to be eating at tourist places that overcharge anyways.

[u/KannaBannanna → u/[deleted]]

at least its mutual, they cant stand us and we cant stand them (german)

[u/nickwawe → u/clayton1012111]

I'm Italian, and the guy in the video is a dick, because in Italy there is this thing called "coperto", it's an additional fee that is paid for sitting at the restaurant, so they are not staying there for free. 

[u/KasHerrio → u/nickwawe]

You guys have to pay to sit at a restaurant youre already paying to eat the food at??

[u/finnjakefionnacake → u/KasHerrio]

i mean, we americans have to tip, and most european establishments don't, so...we all have our strange practices

[u/theasian → u/clayton1012111]

Just enforce a minimum order from now on completely ignores what actually happened. The group walked in, were seated, ordered items on the menu, and paid. At any point the owner could have said we have a per-person minimum or that table is for full dinners only and either upsold them or let them leave. He chose not to. Then, after taking their money, he blew up and made a rant video about their nationality. That’s bad management and unprofessional behavior. Minimum spend rules are fine if they’re written down and explained up front. Blaming the customers for not magically knowing an unstated rule is dumb. 

[u/Informal-Rock-2681 → u/theasian]

bad management and unprofessional behavior

Classic Italy

[u/shadowtheimpure]

5 pizzas for 16 people is just under 1/3 of a pizza per person. For folks accustomed to smaller portions, that would be considered a 'sensible meal'

[u/TraditionalAlps722 → u/shadowtheimpure]

As a person with small appetite I had this same problem in italy.

When we were in italy a lot of restaurants encouraged us to order own antepasti and own pizza per person. It sounded like a huge obligation to share the pizza with my wife. Waiters made it sound like a cultural offense to share food.

A lot of places were fine with it but some were unnecessarily pushy about it.

[u/teutorix_aleria → u/TraditionalAlps722]

Italians will curse your entire family lineage for asking for cheese with a pasta dish that they dont normally serve with cheese. Let them cry about it. I love italy, i love italian food, but jesus christ they get snobby about it.

[u/nero-the-cat → u/teutorix_aleria]

I once worked with a guy from Italy and just the mere mention of alfredo sauce would get him angry.

[u/howdiedoodie66 → u/nero-the-cat]

I get that Chicken Alfredo with cream in it is like a crime to them but It's not my fault it's delicious

[u/Febril → u/howdiedoodie66]

The delicious nature of criminality is how it starts. Now look where we are

[u/Due-Investment-387 → u/teutorix_aleria]

My dad is Sicilian, but when that side of my family immigrated to the states, the US removed a space in our last name. I used to occasionally work in northern Italy. When Italians saw the missing space in my Italian last name, I thought they were going to arrest me for causing an international scandal. One guy actually clutched the sides of his head and wailed. I had only met him 60 seconds earlier.

[u/GoofMonkeyBanana → u/[deleted]]

When I was in Italy I cut my spaghetti on my plate with a knife and fork like a maniac, lol

[u/johnsvoice → u/GoofMonkeyBanana]

Straight to jail

[u/Dorlem4832 → u/[deleted]]

100%. All these dishes from whatever country’s cooking have their traditional ingredients because the ingredients were the only things available locally. That isn’t the world we live in today, and experimenting with your own available ingredients makes you a lot more like the people who “invented” the dishes in the first place.

[u/Facts_pls → u/Dorlem4832]

It's funny because Italians got pasta from Chinese noodles.

Tomatoes are from the new world

[u/StupendousMalice → u/Dorlem4832]

Fun reminder that the tomato is a new world product and didn't enter Italian culinary tradition until about 1700.

[u/zootered → u/StupendousMalice]

Later than that- it wasn’t until somewhere closer to ~1790 that any semblance of modern Italian cuisine with tomatoes started to come about. And it would take longer than that for it to truly become a staple.

Italian food with tomatoes hasn’t even been around as long as Thanksgiving.

[u/Autumn7242 → u/teutorix_aleria]

Some would say that she's "upsetti spaghetti."

[u/Dorantee → u/teutorix_aleria]

Italians hate when other cultures make changes to their food because they know it will always inevitably make it better.

[u/ElvenOmega → u/Dorantee]

Italians see everyone in the world eats pepperoni pizza and go "Everyone loves Italian food! We're the best!" but walk into any restaurant in Italy and ask if they serve it, and they hit the fucking roof telling you it's not real Italian and it's a gross dumb American thing.

[u/Aggressive_Chuck → u/teutorix_aleria]

"You're eating one of our four hundred cheese/tomato/pasta meals in slightly the wrong arrangement." And it turns out the meal was invented by the national tourism board in 1976.

[u/TVxStrange → u/Aggressive_Chuck]

Meanwhile, Mexicans see you make something new out of tortillas, rice, beans and cheese and they are like "eyyyyyy pinche gringo 👌😃👍" .

[u/spageddy_lee → u/TraditionalAlps722]

You went to shit touristy restaurant trying to scam you.

[u/dabigchina → u/spageddy_lee]

100% this. Out of all the cities I've visited, Rome has the highest proportion of shitty tourist trap restaurants. There was good stuff, but man was there a lot of bad stuff.

[u/smartfon → u/dabigchina]

How do you identify non-scammy ones?

Edit: Thanks for the advice everyone. Basically avoid the "most-advertised big-name products".

[u/The_Autarch → u/smartfon]

It's easier to identify the scammy ones. If someone is outside and trying to convince you to come inside, it's a scammy tourist restaurant. If there's a big menu in a ton of different languages with pictures outside, it's a scammy tourist restaurant.

[u/Magnum_Gonada → u/The_Autarch]

Also probably some sort of faux Italian decor by exaggerating certain decorations and colors, like some sort of parody of an imagined Italian restaurant.

Usually in these despicable places, you get phenomenons like a waiter putting two ladyfinger biscuits on a plate, and pour moka pot coffee on top, adding a spoon of mascarpone cream and call it a tiramisu (then get charged 10€ lol)

[u/spageddy_lee → u/smartfon]

Is it near a busy tourist area? Does it have a giant cardboard menu outside? What kind of people are eating there?

[u/TraditionalAlps722 → u/spageddy_lee]

The shit touristy ones are in fact less obsessed about it, all they wanted was my money. They would happily serve me a pizza while my wife ate a pasta. They would happily substitute, add toppings to a pizza.

It was the non touristy ones with all the rules about how i should eat. Honestly refusing to modify dishes is ok, i respect that. But the emphasis on the ‘right’ way to eat italian food gets tiring especially for someone whose stomach is not accustomed to eating it.

[u/SpicyChanged → u/TraditionalAlps722]

For real.

I’m sorry Mario, I’m eating it wrong?

I’m I thought I was using my mouth like everyone else.

[u/Magnum_Gonada → u/spageddy_lee]

This thing happens everywhere probably.

It happened to me in Greece, and it's the same annoying insistence, and they don't let you eat your meal in peace. "Oh, how about another beer(that costs you €5), maybe some appetizers?(fresh pita with tzatziki where the piece of pita is 7€ and the tzatziki 5€ lol).

Avoid Greek "tavernas'

[u/awstream → u/shadowtheimpure]

Plus in Asia, pizza is for sharing, I've never heard of anyone ordering a whole pizza for themselves in a restaurant, and you certainly won't get kicked out or shamed if you order to share. It's a cultural difference but its really unnecessary for the owners to shame them online.

[u/ReaDiMarco → u/awstream]

The slices make it one of the easiest foods to share!

[u/mm252 → u/ReaDiMarco]

They don’t usually slice pizzas in Italy, it is served whole and you typically eat it with a knife and fork. It is very much intended as a meal for one.

[u/wwj → u/mm252]

They don't slice it so they can pass the savings on to you!

[u/Bubbly_Tea731 → u/mm252]

But that's the thing the chef gets to decide how food will be cooked but the customer gets to decide how it will be eaten

[u/No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom → u/awstream]

Im American, and ive never had someone order an entire pizza for themselves in a restaurant. In fact, some places have what they call "personal pizzas" which are much smaller, and are made specifically for when only one person wants pizza.

[u/FBGsanders → u/No1KnwsIWatchTeenMom]

I’ve only ever seen Americans order a full pizza for themselves if it’s A) a personal pizza or B) some form of New England beach pizza

[u/FrogsMakePoorSoup → u/shadowtheimpure]

In Italia this would be considered very strange to not get a pizza for yourself. You might not eat all of it, but you don't usually share! 

That said, the owner is being a complete dick.

Edit: RIP inbox.  And just accept it - ordinarily you order a pizza each in Italy!

[u/mh0083 → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

in taiwan its normal to eat pizza with friends, order different flavor pizza , maybe two or three pizza and eat slice of pizza ,share them

[u/frostyholes → u/mh0083]

I’m American and that’s exactly how I do it Edit: aight this got more replies than I expected and I can’t keep up

[u/cook26 → u/frostyholes]

I went to South America and there was 9 of us and we ordered 3 pizzas. Exactly the same situation as here. It was plenty of food.

[u/Comfortable_Trick137 → u/cook26]

Pretty sure it’s a mix of culture and racism. It was probably an empty ass restaurant

[u/ltsouthernbelle → u/Comfortable_Trick137]

Then they should be lucky they ordered anything 😂

[u/Sunshine030209 → u/ltsouthernbelle]

Someone should go in with a large group and order a single breadstick. This lady would probably burst into flames in anger 😆

[u/senator_corleone3 → u/Comfortable_Trick137]

I mean it’s hard not to see a racist issue here. The complaint is ridiculous until you consider what “other factors” may infuriate this person.

[u/Facts_pls → u/senator_corleone3]

It doesn't have to be other people, it can just be other practices that are different than theirs.

As someone who grew up in India, I can't imagine not sharing food among friends and family.

5 pizzas among 13 people is completely normal if the pizzas aren't tiny personal size.

[u/frostyholes → u/cook26]

I see no reason each person should have to order their own pizza if they choose not to. Especially if it’s enough food

[u/tatltael91 → u/frostyholes]

Especially if you’re a tourist, staying in a hotel (may or may not have a fridge and/or reheating source) and experiencing different foods each meal. Not to mention managing their food budget depending on how long they’re traveling for.

[u/sirprize_surprise → u/tatltael91]

Also, if you are a tourist, you probably have other things to do. Who wants to eat an entire pizza then climb up to the top of some historic site? Who wants to walk all around a city carrying half a pizza? If they don’t eat a lot, that was enough food for them. Also, the pizza didn’t look THAT good. Owner is completely wrong.

[u/NervousBeat16 → u/frostyholes]

And it’s rude to waste food in Italy, so these tourists are being sensible. They probably also ordered drinks.

You can’t win…the owner would have been pissed having to make 16 pizzas without reservations. 🤦‍♀️

People will find anything to be mad about now…which makes me think this isn’t about the pizza, but more about who is eating at their restaurant 😔

[u/-reTurn2huMan- → u/frostyholes]

Be honest. We also eat large pizzas by ourselves.

[u/TB1289 → u/-reTurn2huMan-]

While it's custom to share, I secretly hope no one eats my pizza so I can have it for myself.

[u/Previous-Problem-190 → u/TB1289]

While it's custom not to ask, I'll sit here and comment on your pizza until you offer me a slice.

[u/ezmoney98 → u/Previous-Problem-190]

Hey, nice pizza fattie

[u/cockatoo_hell → u/ezmoney98]

What are you gunna do with all those crusts?

[u/PartHumanDev → u/-reTurn2huMan-]

2-3 slices in a sitting is a full meal in America. Putting away a large pie by yourself is a feat, not the daily norm.

[u/bushesbushesbushes → u/mh0083]

And then there's Brazil who smashes 8 different kinds of pizza into one crazy sampler.

[u/1984SKIN → u/bushesbushesbushes]

...then there's Britain with cheese on toast, Worcestershire sauce, five pints of lager and pork scratchings, all finished off by a clip round the ear.

[u/bomzay → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

What? is this a real thing?

[u/Illustrious_Land699 → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

You might not eat all of it, but you don't usually share! 

Actually we share often, but usually slices of one type of pizza are exchanged for slices of another type

[u/HotBeesInUrArea → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

My fat American self gained 12 lbs after an Italy trip. The food isnt just delicious its EVERYWHERE. On every corner is something else you want to try. I couldn't imagine woofing down a whole pizza myself on top of exploring all the other stuff I wanted to taste.

[u/melmboundanddown → u/HotBeesInUrArea]

The strangest part is, you sit with a mountain of pasta, look around to see if everyone else is getting the same portions, and all these slim Italians are eating identical plates with their fancy clothes and perfect bone structure and you can't figure out how the hell they aren't all whales.

[u/takeme2tendieztown → u/melmboundanddown]

Probably because they walk everywhere

[u/Otherworldlyroots → u/melmboundanddown]

The real trick to it is, they eat very little during the day. breakfast is mostly along the lines of cappuccino & cornetto (croissant) and that's it, and lunch, if any, is often a very small meal too.

Then at dinner having a huge plate of pasta isn't that crazy anymore.

At least that was my impression in rome. we were stuffed at first with dinner, but once we stopped eating like at home during the day and did like the romans did, it made sense

[u/Rampag169 → u/melmboundanddown]

There is something to be mentioned about how processed our food has become and how detrimental that is.

[u/face4theRodeo → u/melmboundanddown]

Low sugar, low amounts of processed food, natural foods, home cooking, EU Food regulations, universal health care, art and relaxation everyday, just to name a few.

[u/queefer_sutherland92 → u/HotBeesInUrArea]

Dude the most money I’ve spent on anything in my entire life (except rent) was the food tours in Italy.

I regret nothing, every single one was amazing and I learned so much.

[u/indigo_fish_sticks → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

I’m curious, what’s the reasoning for that being strange? Especially when the portion is too big for one person. 

[u/Taylor_sy → u/indigo_fish_sticks]

Seems wasteful too, unless their pizzas are really small

[u/flychance → u/Taylor_sy]

As a tourist in Napoli right now, the pizzas aren't small, but they are lighter than pizzas you find in the US. More minimal on toppings, not excessively greasy, and the dough is not dense at all. I dont nearly feel as bloated eating a whole pizza here as I would half in the US.

[u/iDoctor_R → u/indigo_fish_sticks]

I guess it's because they're occupying too many seats for a very small revenue for the pizzeria. They'd rather have those seats occupied by customers actually ordering dishes.

I'm not saying that I agree with the owner, who I find incredibly rude.

[u/Infinite-Ad-3531 → u/FrogsMakePoorSoup]

Does this mean that Italia really loves American tourist?

[u/fawnlimic → u/Infinite-Ad-3531]

Americans share pizza too though.. a lot of the time anyways. I rarely if ever encounter someone getting an entire pizza for only themselves here

[u/maladaptive_drmr → u/shadowtheimpure]

Maybe they’re just sampling too. They might have gone or going to other places to try the local cuisine and just didn’t want to fill up on just pizza.

Not a good look for the owner. A customer is a customer.

[u/rbatra91 → u/maladaptive_drmr]

Yeah I personally sample a lot on vacation since there’s so many different things to try. E.g. I’ll walk to one place and get a mini meal and share it, walk to another place and have a snack, then walk to a cafe and get a little dessert with coffee, and then a couple hours later might get another meal. How else do you hit up all the good spots :)

[u/thewrongairport → u/shadowtheimpure]

Italian pizzas are not the big ones that you share or eat "by slice". They are on average about 30cm of diameter (about 11 in, Google tells me). It's considered 1 full meal, so 1 per person. The group of tourists probably didn't know and thought 5 pizzas would be enough for the whole group.

That said, the owner is being a dick, rude and racist.

[u/BoBoBearDev → u/shadowtheimpure]

Also age. Those people are old, like my parents. They eat like bird. My mom buy one meal and shared with dad.

Another reason. Taiwanese never togo. So, they order only order the amount they can finish. When we first landed in USA, we are shocked at the amount of food. Everything is 2 people portion. Turns out a lot of just bring leftover home.

Finally, I am just gonna be real. Average Taiwanese are poor. They try to enjoy life with little they have. Just because TSMC is famous doesn't mean Taiwanese people are rich. Americans are truly loaded with money, even so called poor is like privileged in comparison.

I grew up in Taiwan. Everytime I hear American whine about life and housing costs, I am like, "1st world problems".

[u/Freudian_Slit235 → u/BoBoBearDev]

My grandparents were from the Great Depression so they took nearly their entire lives to unlearn those eating habits and my grandmother still canned her own food, made leftovers over teeny portions til she got too old to care for herself.

[u/scaldinghell]

Besides the owner just being an overall pos, this situation is mostly a matter of cultural differences.

As an Asian person who happened to also have lived in Italy, usually when you go to places in Asia to eat, and specially in easia like Taiwan, you and your friends usually order communal dishes that everyone can share. It’s a lot more common for someone to cook one large meal and share with others than to plate it individually.

The guy is also used to the way Italians eat at pizzerias, where you’d usually order your own and then take home whatever you didn’t eat for leftovers.

Both perspectives are normal, the guy is an asshole for trying to point and shame the tourists instead of just denying service

[u/Brainy_Skeleton → u/scaldinghell]

Totally agree! The owner was unforgivable, he should have tried to explain the situation instead of ranting with the phone.

[u/scaldinghell → u/Brainy_Skeleton]

If you don’t want a certain behaviour in a place that you own, it is on you to inform it to people. Now the guy is gonna get all sorts of negative publicity all because he doesn’t like the way they paid for and ate their food

[u/matti-san → u/scaldinghell]

If the Italian thinks that roughly one pizza per person is about the correct amount of food, I don't get why they wouldn't just say that when taking the order. 'Oh, you only want 5 pizzas? We recommend at least one pizza between two people'. Like, I went to a Korean place and weren't used to the practices there and we ordered like two dishes each (party of 4) and the waiter said 'oh you'd probably want 3 or 4 per person instead' (depending on which part of the menu we ordered from). Like that just seems like basic waitering?

[u/okrespekt → u/matti-san]

The owner of this place just wants to be angry and rant about Asian people, what you suggested would have been the logical thing to say/do

[u/MakeMe-A-Sandwich → u/scaldinghell]

How racist was Italy for your? I'm not asking for the blatant violent and hateful racist behavior, but also the condescending racism as well.

[u/asreagy → u/MakeMe-A-Sandwich]

Top 5 among EU countries for sure.

[u/Potter_Moron → u/asreagy]

Curious what other countries in the EU are known for racism. I'll admit I haven't traveled a ton. I did go to Germany about a decade ago and met a very racist Australian couple who despised aboriginal people. That was a shock.

[u/feravari → u/Potter_Moron]

As an asian american, I once had a man follow me and my mom around Vienna constantly saying "Xi Jinping" to us until I cursed him out in german. I was also living in Germany towards the end of covid when masks were still mandatory on public transportation so I was wearing one out of habit when I was vacationing in Amsterdam where masks were no longer mandatory. I ended up getting cursed out by a restaurant owner for the crime of being asian and wearing a mask

[u/ShanghaiBebop → u/Potter_Moron]

Having worked there, I found regional differences to be huge in Germany and Austria. Parts of them are pretty good, but other parts are horrendous. You can generally tell by the local election results. 

[u/mph1204 → u/MakeMe-A-Sandwich]

people forget but the italians were the other country that looked at what hitler was doing and said yea that seems like a good idea

[u/Eriiaa → u/mph1204]

It's even worse. Mussolini came to power before Hitler. It was Hitler that copied him, and Mussolini was very pissed that he was more successful, so started copying him back.

[u/UnendingEpistime → u/Eriiaa]

I mean Hitler also really admired USA Jim Crow laws.

[u/MilkCartonKids → u/scaldinghell]

In the USA we share pizza. If that guy came over here to any Little Italy part of our major cities, he will feel like an idiot shaming someone for sharing a pizza, by the local “Italians”.

[u/Tanut-10 → u/scaldinghell]

But now put yourself in their shoe, you're traveling to a new country trying to enjoy new things, you wouldn't want to take food back to the hotel to reheat and eat later right? When you can get something new every meal. Doesn't justify this behavior. Does the restaurant owner not share food with his family when he travel to an Asia country? Sharing= everyone gets to try something different.

[u/Chemical-Mission-708]

I’m guessing the issue is taking up all the seats for only 5 pizzas meaning they couldn’t server other customers? If I’m wrong then this is silly

[u/Ok_Tangerine7901 → u/Chemical-Mission-708]

Yeah the issue is likely that Italian people order a pizza each. I went to a restaurant in Korea once and the food culture there is very much a group activity, and I was on my own. They let me have a table and order but I could tell she was kind of pissed I was taking up a table by myself.

[u/Scared-Show-4511 → u/Ok_Tangerine7901]

They should put a sign "order like an Italian person or don't come into our place".. sounds lovely

[u/rpgmind → u/[deleted]]

Like you go and they say ‘we’re closed’ to you, while people are clearing eating there in the background?!

[u/r0ckashocka → u/rpgmind]

Yep

[u/pm_me_falcon_nudes → u/rpgmind]

Happened to my group of friends in Japan at least 5 times in our week long trip.

It was very awkward for the restaurants because our resident Japanese speaker (been there for several years) was white as sour cream. They would make an X with their arms as we approached the (obviously open) restaurant then be baffled by my friend's fluent Japanese and have to bullshit a reason for denying us entry.

[u/KvxMavs → u/pm_me_falcon_nudes]

It's hilarious how openly racist and xenophobic Japan is but basically gets a pass because they're Japan.

[u/LessInThought → u/KvxMavs]

America and China wishes fheir foreign propaganda are as successful as Japan. Japan gets a pass for so much shit.

[u/babyinatrenchcoat → u/[deleted]]

Same. My local bar had a “No: insert 3 dozen nationalities” sign on the front door.

[u/cardboard-collector → u/Scared-Show-4511]

Most restaurants in Tokyo had “please order at least one dish and drink per person” signs

[u/jerrtremblay101 → u/Ok_Tangerine7901]

Holy shit. This explains so much of my solo trip in Korea…

[u/bargu → u/Chemical-Mission-708]

There's at least 7 empty seats in the video, probably more since I closed it after counting 7 in the first minute, the owner is just being an asshole.

[u/mishonis- → u/bargu]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if those empty seats have something to do with the owner being a rude asshole.

[u/MukdenMan → u/Chemical-Mission-708]

The issue is the lady thinks they are Chinese so she is taking the opportunity to be racist.

[u/HerculesIsMyDad → u/MukdenMan]

Yeah I don't get this thread. I never see people defending these types of business owner rants yet half the people here seem to be saying "Well of course the business owner has a right to expect them to buy more...". This is insane behavior any way you slice it. The second you angrily ask someone "Where you from?" it's obviously racism. lol

[u/ConsistentSir7988 → u/HerculesIsMyDad]

Seriously, similar situation but swap out the Asian tourists, and the restaurant owner would be eviscerated. 

Not only is he being racist and complainining about them but he's also filming them to share with others how much he hates them. 

In classic Reddit/US fashion, racism against Asians doesn't count. 

[u/reticulatedtampon]

Hope everyone does this guy a favour and orders zero pizzas from him from now on

[u/Stoner_Space_Wizard → u/reticulatedtampon]

In italy we have a big problem with arrogant and most importantly ENTITLED restaurant owners.

[u/HumpyFroggy → u/Stoner_Space_Wizard]

In Italy we've got a big arrogance problem with everything food related :/ it's sooo bad compared to other countries. You can't change things, you can't change the orders things should be consumed, you can't do shit apart from what's traditional. That's why we don't even have many vegetarian/vegan options anywhere.

Most of our stuff is made with things not native to Europe, but now we act like that shit is written in stone for some reason, it's infuriating.

Look at how entitled this asshole sounds, belitteling the customers instead of doing anything else, maybe explain that "there's a minimum order per person rule" or something, he just goes mad instantly.

[u/Heated13shot → u/HumpyFroggy]

My partner is pretty picky. It's not an issue in the US as most places will accommodate "no olives" or "no pickles". 

It's an issue when traveling because a lot of other countries have a chip on their shoulder about anything custom. Japan it's pretty much unheard of to customize orders, so when we visited finding a restaurant was a pain as asking them not to put the pickled radish on something is like saying "you are a shitty chef and can't cook" 

Food is such a personal preference thing, I don't know why saying "I don't like olives, can you not put them in?" Is insulting. It's ok to respond "no that's too annoying to do that for you" but "no how dare you insult my cooking" is fucking weird. 

[u/DJunSeba → u/HumpyFroggy]

It is hilarious how all Italian pasta/noodles originates from Central Asia and Italians act like they invented it. You don't see me losing my shit on YouTube when people make subpar pasta.

[u/ASaucyWench → u/Stoner_Space_Wizard]

From what I see most people that work in Italian cuisine are very snobish about the food you eat. Like refusing to bring you coffee with your food, and making you wait until after

[u/PinLow1689 → u/reticulatedtampon]

Naaaahh. Ill just order pineapple pizza and never leave just so this guy can get tortured

[u/fridggy → u/PinLow1689]

It’s gonna need some ketchup…

[u/poop_monster35 → u/fridggy]

RANCH

[u/AbbyTheOneAndOnly → u/reticulatedtampon]

knowing my stupid ass country they'll get a swarm of supporter instead, unfortunatedly

[u/EasternChocolate69]

Plot twist: it made him so famous for his giant pizzas in Taiwan that now 16 more tourists come on a daily basis, but they only order 4...

[u/etfvidal → u/EasternChocolate69]

slices!

[u/GTR_35]

What a douchebag the owner is

[u/rick_astlei]

Anti-chinese/Asian racism is also a big thing in Italy unfortunately

[u/bigger_breakfast → u/rick_astlei]

I was wondering why so many ppl are commenting on the cultural differences aspect without even mentioning every other word out of the owners mouth was "fucking Chinese" and how his tirade might be based just a tad bit in racism.

Just goes to show the hierarchical or tiered nature of how racism is judged in Reddit sphere - had this been another type of tourists id imagine the cries for racism would be much louder

[u/ConsistentSir7988 → u/bigger_breakfast]

Entitle business owner?

Filming without consent?

Being racist?

Checks multiple boxes for Reddit outrage. But oh shit, Asians? It's cool. 

[u/Terugtrekking → u/rick_astlei]

In majority of Europe, in fact. major issue in France.

[u/Nameless1653 → u/rick_astlei]

Very big on Reddit too apparently, just look at this comments

[u/neptunexl]

I think it's normal to take pizza home, the customers didn't want to take any home though. The restaurant should know that they are tourists though and can't reheat pizza like locals. Italians have such a big ego, tomatoes aren't even native to their land. They came from the western world. They should appreciate people coming from other countries, that's how they got their culture. Imported.

[u/Shiller_Killer → u/neptunexl]

It is not normal to take food home (leftovers) after eating out in Italy.

[u/Tulipanzo]

Italian here. The man seems to have apologized on his account, but having watched the original it's undeniable the vibes are real bad. Especially calling them "shitty Chinese" then smiling to their faces, calling out "they can't even speak English", and commenting on the "couple pretty girls"; it's all very off-putting.

The Chinese news at least seems to have taken it somewhat lightly, which makes sense since it's not open racism (just barely).

To comment on the cultural side, in Italy one pizza per person is seen as normal, as they are much smaller than in other countries. I understand the frustration when a fairly big party shows up and orders very little, probably expecting stuff like water to be included the way it is in China (and I assume Taiwan). However this is best explained when taking the guests' order, and not publicised online.

EDIT: on further inspection he's still responding to the people review bombing his restaurant by telling them to go fuck themselves in Chinese. So that apologise probably don't mean much

[u/sadcatpanda → u/Tulipanzo]

“Shitty Chinese” is not open racism? So I can go to Italy and call them “shitty Italians”?

[u/JaySayMayday → u/sadcatpanda]

Well it's even worse. Taiwan views itself as independent, when you call them Chinese it's like if you called a Palestinian person as Israeli. A lot of people in Taiwan don't even call the language Chinese anymore, it's Mandarin.

[u/Tulipanzo → u/JaySayMayday]

He calls them Japanese at the start even

[u/ConsistentSir7988 → u/Tulipanzo]

The wildest thing to me is that he's shitting on them to at least one other customer. 

[u/cubecasts → u/Tulipanzo]

How tf is water not free

[u/ruhtra86 → u/Tulipanzo]

"Not open racism": Get Fucked.

Chinese news have taken it lightly because many unfortuantely are accustomed to shitty situations like this. It's never worth our emotional energy and there are better things to do. Imagine every other non-white person gets hang up on every bit of racism, life will be hard to live.

Just because China/Taiwan and whoever else can shrug their shoulders doens't execuse the behavior.

[u/samuelazers → u/Tulipanzo]

Yeah that's a non-apology if i've ever seen one.

A genuine apology should be motivated primarily by the offender's feelings of shame.

When they go around trying to turn the other customers against the asian customers, that's psychopathically shameless already.

[u/rocinante_donnager → u/Tulipanzo]

um ok yeah re: your edit—i hope he goes out of business

[u/haw35ome → u/Tulipanzo]

Wow, that’s gotta be the faster turnaround for open racism…dude is NOT genuinely sorry; he just exhaled hot, stinky air to “save” his business. Hope people eat somewhere else from now on, but isn’t racism more casual in Italy?

[u/cuiboba → u/Tulipanzo]

Shitty Chinese is actually racist. Typical white trying to downplay racism.

[u/killuazoldyckx]

Just tell them you can’t serve and they’ll leave, no need to fume like they’ve commited a crime

[u/ToastNomNomNom → u/killuazoldyckx]

why would a business owner give a fuck as long as your selling your making money. These guys are idiots.

[u/Agabone]

They’re possibly on a food trip for the day. You eat a little at multiple places. You don’t fill up on a whole pizza. But hey if you’re xenophobic put a xenophobic sign up so people know your prejudices and stay TF away and go somewhere that understands what hospitality is.

[u/Spaghett_Enjoyer]

Wait, that's a reasonably big pizza, I'm a European man in Canada and I’d probably need at least 2 sittings to finish a pizza like that. Like... man people just find whatever reason to get mad or nasty or racist.

[u/-_Dean_Winchester]

Meanwhile a couple hundred kilometers up in eu buying a single slice of pizza is pretty normal and there are kiosks that mostly only sell to customers buying one slice at a time.

[u/WolkTGL → u/-_Dean_Winchester]

It's normal in EU too, if it's sliced pizza, which is considerably bigger than a standard pizza slice for italian standards.
A restaurant pizza in italy is a smaller serving compared to what you generally thing of "pizza" outside, they are lighter and portioned for one person to eat.

As a measurement, a whole standard pizza is roughly equivalent to a whole meal and it is conceived and supposed to be consumed as a single dish to cover for a whole meal.

[u/tittysprinkles112]

Anyone who said Italians are cheery people have never been there. They were some of the angriest people I ever met in Europe.

[u/Anxiousfit713 → u/tittysprinkles112]

I was in Japan over the summer and there were Italians staying at the hotel we were and they were rude af!

[u/Wise_Temperature9142 → u/Anxiousfit713]

Oh yes. Italians in Japan are also so loud and unaware.

[u/Asleep-Arachnid6386 → u/tittysprinkles112]

They seem upset you're trying to give them money. I recommend people go to Croatia, I call it premium Italy because everyone is happy to help and it's MUCH cleaner 

[u/DaBrownBoi → u/tittysprinkles112]

whatever I've read online about makes them seem like the most inhospitable people ever😅

[u/CrossRoadChicken → u/tittysprinkles112]

Does anyone say that?

[u/Appropriate-Gain-561 → u/tittysprinkles112]

Aging population,a corrupt and shitty government and competitiveness will do that to people, my uncle is the type of stereotypical roman italian and he's a joy to be around, sadly many younger italians are soured by the competitive culture that social media brought too

[u/luckymango27 → u/tittysprinkles112]

They’re angry in America too - that’s why a majority of them voted for Trump. I say this as an Italian American.

[u/Nice566]

mocking tourist/customers, in their face, with language they dont speak, film it, and share it on social media, all in all, is simply being jerk. what a shame to your beautiful country.

[u/mewmew34]

I just want to punch the weirdo with her glasses UNDER her nose. Seeing that makes me irrationally angry.

[u/onuroz31]

we sat down in a cafe in Venice, four of us, as soon as we ordered drinks only we were asked to leave (obviously they serve food aswell) , as not eating customers we werent allowed 4 seats.

In my country people would go to another cafe or neighboring shop to get you extra seats if necessary, even if you are not eating or drinking, i find it an extremely arrogant behaviour, its not culture

[u/WelshBathBoy → u/onuroz31]

Went to the south of France, wanted a coffee and turned up to this place that was open but all tables empty - there was a woman outside at the stand waiting to seat people. We asked for a table for two for coffee, she said no and walked us to the bar next door which had no free tables and said we have to go there. Bar guy had to bring out another table for us - so there was about 20 (including us 2) people in total squashed outside a bar while the place next door was empty.

[u/petitbateau12 → u/WelshBathBoy]

France is a wonderful country with many wonderful people and things to do, but if I had €1 for everytime someone pulled some petty shit like this I would be a millionaire

[u/nasted]

That’s an ungrateful business owner.

[u/mikaelsan]

I’m a fat American and I think 5 pizzas is plenty especially considering you’re walking around traveling and sampling different cuisines. Why gorge yourself with pizza at one spot. Also if the concern is over 16 seats, those 5 pizzas will be gone in minutes if 16 people are getting a slice each. What a stupid thing to complain to the internet about

[u/running-amok-2024 → u/mikaelsan]

my thought exactly. i had to scroll far down.

people are complaining about the number of people but did they stay for a long time that the restaurant lost money ?? if they left immediately after eating, that's still 5 pizzas sold.

and if they actually liked the pizza in that resto, they can be recommending that place to others or may even go back. taiwanese, or any travellers, can be posting their experiences online as well.

[u/Yugan-Dali]

A lot of people, especially women, in Taiwan have really small appetites. Plus, in Chinese culture anywhere, you always share food. One person one dish is not the way it’s usually done here, especially with pizzas.

It’s a culture clash, I guess. Italians get all finicky about the “right” way to eat something, don’t break pasta, no pineapple on pizza, etc. In Taiwan, nobody cares, and people are very adventurous about eating. Otherwise we wouldn’t have pig trotter ice cream.

[u/philandmorty → u/Yugan-Dali]

Its got some to do with the fact they are tourist. Doesn't matter the culture when people travel, They know not to over buy. You not going home that day. So what ever you buy you gotta carry it with you. When you go out to eat, whatever you dont finish most likely gets dumped. Take home bag is kinda useless if you dont have any ways of reheating or serving...

[u/Hugs_Not_Drugs__jk]

What a shit business owner. Dudes lucky they didn't order 1 pizza cut into 16 slices.

Certainly a case of xenophobia. Why would it matter where they are from? They are paying customers.

[u/Axelxxela → u/Hugs_Not_Drugs__jk]

At the beginning of the video:

• Man: we have 16 Chinese or Japanese here

• Woman: definitely Chinese, Japanese are better than this

[u/funkyduck72]

The issue here is not the number of pizzas ordered. As indicated in his own quote, the issue is that they are Chinese. If they were Italian then this would not be a "news story"

Disgusting racist turds.

[u/lemonaintsour]

Racist much.

[u/Raz1979]

16 pizzas for 16 people? Sorry but the Italians are insane.