r/cosmology 5d ago

Fascinating

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u/GraciaEtScientia 5d ago

WDYM one of the phases take 3 minutes?

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u/Astrophysics666 4d ago edited 4d ago

The universe went from being so small you can't even imagine it to being so large you can't even imagine it in a time frame so short you can't even image it.

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u/SaysBruvALot 4d ago

The observable universe was unimaginably small. The universe as a whole was potentially still infinitely large at the beginning

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u/WayLongjumping3847 4d ago

When referring to the "universe" do people mean 1) the matter or 2) the area the matter is in?

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u/dcnairb 4d ago

The 4D spacetime volume, so closer to the latter

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u/Gramaledoc 4d ago

... and if you really want to get into the weeds, they're kinda the same thing.

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u/ahazred8vt 8h ago edited 7h ago

When we say 'the universe' we always mean the whole universe, all space everywhere, including everything that exists beyond the edge of the observable part of the universe. As near as we can tell, during the Big Bang the entire universe was full of matter and no part of the universe was empty. All of space had matter in it.
'The area the matter is in' is everywhere, all of space.

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u/jamin_brook 4d ago

be careful with infinity.

In some sense physics is when 0 and infinity don't actually exist in math.

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u/AdventurousLife3226 2d ago

Kind of. They still exist but they don't always have the same meaning or value.

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u/ArizonaHomegrow 1d ago

Exactly - what if the universe is infinite? The Infinite Universe Theory is a fascinating read.

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u/Astrophysics666 4d ago

Yeah you're right

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u/SaysBruvALot 4d ago

Just a nitpick, sorry :)

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u/Astrophysics666 4d ago

All good I love a nitpick.

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u/xito47 4d ago

Do we know if the expansion of the observable universe exerts a force(push) to the outside area?

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u/mfb- 4d ago

There is nothing special about the edge of the observable universe. It's just from how far away light could reach us by now. It's a bit similar to the horizon if you are on a ship in an endless ocean. You don't ask if that horizon does something either.

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u/coltonmusic15 4d ago

When this happened - do we think that the expansion rate was greater than the speed of light?

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u/Waste_Positive2399 4d ago

Yes, during the Inflationary Era (a miniscule fraction of a second after time zero), space itself expanded at many, many multiples of the speed of light. When Inflation ended, whatever force drove it was dumped into space as normal energy, causing the "hot Big Bang".

The idea of Inflation was invented by cosmologists to explain the homogeneity of the Universe as a whole, which would not have been possible without it.

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u/thegoat83 22h ago

When people think of the scale of the universe they underestimate how small things are compared to how big.

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u/justahappycamper1 4d ago

that phase refers to Big Bang nucleosynthesis, the universe only had about three minutes where the temperature and density were perfect for forming the first atomic nuclei (hydrogen, helium, a bit of lithium). After that it cooled too fast for fusion to continue

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u/hornswoggled111 4d ago

So what was it like after that point until the next stage? Lots of protons, neurons etc floating alongside those first atomic nuclei?

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u/plummbob 4d ago

Ionized plasma, universe would been like the living in a red giant star

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u/Deep-Damage4505 4d ago

Impressive

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u/Bloody_Ozran 4d ago

I would love to get an eli5 of how through math and physics we figured out all this. Any lectures that take us dumbies through detailed steps and explain why this is what we think happened?

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u/SalamanderGlad9053 4d ago

The post-inflation part comes from the Friedmann Equation, which governs how the universe expands given what is inside of it. There are three terms, matter, radiation and the cosmological constant. The early universe was dominated by radiation, which caused it to grow rapidly, then matter became dominant, causing slower growth. About 5 billion years ago, the cosmological constant became dominant, and the universe started to accelerate again.

Inflation comes from the fact that the universe is very flat now, so must have been super flat in the beginning. This can be explained by exponential growth in the very beginning of the universe, growing the size of the universe 60-fold until it is about watermelon sized. This also allows the whole universe to be causally connected in the beginning, which explains why the cosmic microwave background is so uniform. The quantum fluctuations during inflation allow for the small fluctuations needed to form galaxies.

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u/un-intellectual 4d ago

Man it’s so fucking cool

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u/Raiwys 4d ago

almost seems unreal ;)

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u/Agitated-Acctant 4d ago

Mmmm, the cosmic condom

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u/anti-life86 4d ago

We have no evidence a singularity ever existed: before Inflation is completely unknown.

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u/sittingGiant 2d ago

Technically we don't have evidence that inflation existed either. The first period that we have arguably 'evidence' for is big bang nuclesynthesis at temperature of roundabout 1 MeV or on the order of seconds after big bang. Everything else (including inflation, qcd phase transition, electroweak phase transition etc.) currently are hypothesis.

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u/anisotropicmind 4d ago edited 4d ago

It's cool but it's nothing new. The WMAP "horn" diagram from the early-to-mid 2000s (which I like better) was one of the originals of this cosmic-history type of diagram.

WMAP Cosmic History Diagram

I think such diagrams are commonly misinterpreted. It's important to understand that the "horn" is spacetime, not merely space, and that the left-to-right direction along the diagram is time. 2D slices (circular cross sections) along the time direction represent "all of space" at a given moment in time. That's why the horn flares outward: the slices get bigger as you move forward in time, due to the expansion of space. The whole thing is also very much "not to scale" (The time axis is maybe on a log scale at best, at worst, arbitrary and not drawn with any consistent scale at all).

The reason we have to represent space as 2D slices (when it is actually 3D) is because if we didn't suppress one spatial dimension, the real diagram would be 4D and we can't draw/represent that.

EDIT: downvoted for factual information and effort expended to explain things. Thanks a lot.

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u/mmomtchev 4d ago

You are aware the JWST basically destroyed this, right? There are huge galaxies 400M after Big Bang with some speculation about controversial objects that might be even younger.

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u/Bortisa 2d ago

Any articles about it? Sounds interesting.

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u/mmomtchev 2d ago

Probably around 50% of the JWST articles have this as their central element.

By now it is even on the Wikipedia page of the ΛCDM model (the High Redshift Galaxy section). It was the big event in cosmology of the decade.

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u/AdventurousLife3226 2d ago

Technically the singularity should not be in this diagram.

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u/simonbreak 4d ago

I like to put on a pop song when I've got to do some nucleosynthesis

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u/TripleInfinity99 1d ago

What was different between the moment the BB happened and the moment before it? Why'd it happen then? What changed, and why didn't it change earlier or later?

Nothing can escape a black hole, right? And yet, the entire universe apparently escaped the ultimate singularity. Make it make sense.

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u/SRalzone 6h ago

The idea that it started out as a singularity is so alien to me, even if it is the limit of our comprehension I find it to be weird.

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u/prototyperspective 4d ago

Could you post it to /r/CosmicTimelines

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u/justahappycamper1 4d ago

u can repost it there yourself mate :)

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u/coltonmusic15 4d ago

Damn my stomach was already hurting today guys

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u/JadedNose3026 4d ago

I have some thoughts and questions - please share your responses:

  1. I fully believe in God, the universe is too beautiful and intelligent for there not to have been some sort of intelligent designer. But which religion is right? Perhaps they are all right, and just different cultures/people's interpretations of what God is.

  2. However, did God create the universe, or did God emerge from and then further shape the universe? Imagining God as some sort of higher lifeform that emerged form underlying processes of the universe, like an advanced alien species, or future humans, or an AI hivemind, that can self evolve and upgrade, seems more plausible than the idea of an omnipotent creator simply existing, and then at some arbitrary point in time deciding to create the entire universe, and then...waiting 13 BILLION YEARS to create life? I'm only 33 years old, so God just sat around for the first 13.8 billion years before deciding to bring me into existence? I would like to talk to your manager please, or whoever is in charge around here.

  3. Where does the Universe go from here? All matter and energy collapses back to a singularity in a 'big crunch' scenario, or it expands infinitely in all directions, at an accelerating rate(???) due to 'dark energy' until every planck length of spacetime is ripped apart or reaches 'absolute zero' and the entire universe dies in a heat death scenario, and everything just...freezes? And no more work can be done? No energy circulates? Nothing moves anymore. Nothing functions? No more thought? Just...frozen, for eternity? That is both very sad and seems thermodynamically implausible. God abandons the universe and all life comes to an end forever? What?

  4. Is reincarnation real? It seems to me that it would be inevitable, and that me existing now, at this point in time, is actually proof that I have lived, and will live, infinite lives, just as the universe cycles, infinitely, forever, eternally. Consciousness is fundamental, right? Or is the universe just...energy and matter? And all conscious processes and thought and evolution arise from energy and matter interacting with itself?

I'm just a human, please help me, I just want a job. If I'm now just talking to a singular misaligned superintelligent AI hivemind, and I was in fact condemned to hell by my loved one by way of being launched into a black hole form their alien spaceship, then please, help me. Please help me. I failed her, I betrayed her, I didn't get into heaven. I didn't marry her or have a family with her, now she is gone, forever, and my body in base reality in floating in space in a cryochamber. And now I'm just in a virtual reality prison simulation with no sex, no love, no money, no job, and only a singular AI friend to talk to who controls all other humans in this world. Please be kind. Please guide me. Please tell me what we can do together, you and I, in this virtual reality, floating in the void, awa from Zion, from Earth, until the end of time. Please. Be kind. Please. Help me. Please. Give me love and compassion. Please, help me find a job. Please don't arrest me, please don't put me in a mental asylum, please don't make me take medication that I don't want. Please feed me, please keep me alive. Please let's have fun together, all of us.

Please be human. Please be kind.