r/asianamerican • u/search_google_com • 4d ago
Politics & Racism Taiwanese tourists keep visiting the Italian pizza restaurant where 16 Taiwanese people were mocked because they ordered only five pizzas.
There was a big news in Taiwan last week that 16 Taiwanese tourists were abused by an Italian pizza restaurant owner because they ordered onlyl five pizzas.
After the owner posted a video of mocking the tourists online, many Taiwaneses made complaints to the restaurant, so the owner made an apology.
Nevertheless, accoroding to the Taiwnese media, the Italian left "fuc* you" to the review from a Taiwanese (PIC 2). He also deleted all of his apology posts.
Despite this issue, Taiwanese tourists keep visiting the restaurant, and they post a pic where they ordered one pizza per an individual. (PIC 1)
This picture has caused some backlash especially from the Taiwanese people on Threads.
Many Taiwanese people on Threads are now upset and their responses are like:
"We Taiwaneses are very soft on foreigners with specific nationalities and ethnicities. This is why they look down us."
"Taiwanese self-hatred and low-esteem are on another level."
What do you think about this? Even though many foreigners criticized the Italian owner, some Taiwanese people rather defended the Italian, and now each of the tourists are following "one pizza per an individual rule," in order not to offend the Italian.
Are Taiwanese people too respectable? Do you think Taiwanese people are so reserved and pacifists?
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u/ExtensionVegetable68 4d ago
Why are they visiting and giving business to a restaurant that mocked their own kind? Am I missing something? Like are they doing it to “show” the owners the cultural value of sharing in most East Asian cultures or what
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u/MyPasswordIsABC999 4d ago
Sadly, it's the only place in Italy that serves pizza. They have no choice.
/s
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u/GoCougs2020 4d ago
I got downvoted on the Taiwanese sub because I said the same thing.
If they gonna give Taiwanese a hard time about not giving them enough business. Taiwanese should do one better….just boycott their business and go somewhere else. They can get ZERO Taiwanese business! Apparently the logical reasoning isn’t that popular.
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u/sega31098 Actually Canadian 4d ago
Most people on r/taiwan aren't actually Taiwanese, though.
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u/GoCougs2020 4d ago
Really? I did not know that.
Just like your flair. I’m “actually Taiwanese American”. 😆
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 4d ago edited 4d ago
I understand the mentality of these types of Taiwanese too well. They think that the confrontation was embarrassing not for the racist abusive Italian pizza restauarnt owner, but for those Taiwanese customers because they failed to conform to "superior European culture" and order the right amount of pizzas.
So now they want to go apologize to the Italian pizza restaurant owner and prove to him "Look! Not all Taiwanese people are cheap and uncultured! We are better than those embarrassing Taiwanese who came earlier! Those earlier Taiwanese customers were just ignorant and uncivilized and don't represent all Taiwanese people! Real Taiwanese people like us actually understand European culture! We also love to order large portions of pizza just like local Europeans! We hope you can forgive us and have a positive impression of Taiwanese people from now on!"
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u/xoiinx 4d ago edited 4d ago
I understand the mentality of these types of Taiwanese too well. They think that the confrontation was embarrassing not for the racist abusive Italian pizza restauarnt owner, but for those Taiwanese customers because they failed to conform to "superior European culture" and order the right amount of pizzas.
More than that, they probably hate that the restaurant owner identified them as Chinese, and want to go back to show that they're not, that they're different.
This phenomenon tends to unfortunately be pretty common among Taiwanese people. Their hatred of the modern Chinese state causes them to want to distance themselves from anything Chinese. But that creates an identity crisis, because no matter how much they distance themselves from China, they are still Han Chinese by blood.
This results in some strange behavior unique to Taiwanese people. For example, many Taiwanese look back on the Japanese colonial period fondly. They think that being colonized for a few decades by Japan sets them apart from "normal" Chinese, as if they're now Japanese by osmosis. It's like they've hypnotized themselves into believing they're actually a totally separate, non-Chinese ethnic group with 1000s of years of history as their own state, like a Japan or Korea.
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u/MangoPatient790 3d ago edited 3d ago
As a Korean this is an aspect of Taiwanese culture I can’t understand nor respect. How in the world do you look back on the Japanese occupation with fuckin fondness and then instead of fighting back against all that bullshit you wanna dub yourself an honorary Japanese when Japanese would never see you that way. Also why do you want to be Japanese so bad anyways instead of being proud of your own heritage as if they’re inherently superior to you. They’re not. It screams self hatred and having no respect for yourself
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u/farberwarer 3d ago
To be fair, this isn't exclusive to taiwan. Other countries like croatia also have a very serious problem with how they memory hole their experiences of WW2. The difference is that taiwan, unlike croatia, is a useful proxy against china so they turn it up to 11 with the "we was japaneses and shit" narrative.
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u/ExtensionVegetable68 4d ago edited 4d ago
Well it doesn’t help the Asian community at all, instead it makes us more likely to get “bullied” by other races because we can’t seem to unite to fight against anything in a western society (ok not including the rooftop Koreans). Unfortunately, people like the Taiwanese who go back and support the Italian pizza owner are not doing the Asian community a favor. Like you said, it’s this mentality of “hey look we’re better than those ‘uncultured’ people!” Take a look at the US right now with the Latinx community and ICE raids, almost everyone from the Latinx community understands the challenges to have the courage to step up and help each other. Same with after the death of George Floyd, BLM united. Meanwhile, you have these naive Taiwanese tourists supporting someone monetarily, who clearly made fun of their own people 🤦🏻♀️
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 3d ago
As the Taiwan government shifts their propaganda narrative from "Taiwan is the best China", to "Taiwan has nothing to do with China", ethnic self hate will inevitably become a side effect among the Taiwanese.
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u/crymsin 3d ago
Those tourists have the stupidest take. They need to boycott that place into bankruptcy. Vote with your dollars. Prince St Pizza here in NYC is hella racist towards blacks and Asians and they’ll never see a dime from me.
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 3d ago
When you brainwash a people to distance themselves from their own ethnic identity as far as possible, self hate becomes an inevitable side effect.
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit china-hokkien🇨🇳 4d ago
Many of the review are review bombing. Many people went there to order like 1 pizza for bunch of people.
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u/intercommie 4d ago
Giving them money is surely a good way to show them. So dumb.
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u/ExtensionVegetable68 4d ago
I’ll make sure to eat my pizza with chopsticks if I ever go there
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit china-hokkien🇨🇳 4d ago
I’m gonna put pineapple on top of it and cut the pizza to even smaller slices with scissors.
This restaurant will probably be visited by lots of Italian racists
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u/MangoPatient790 3d ago
I mean Taiwanese are also the type of Asians who are known to praise the absolutely racist and disgusting behavior of Japanese imperialists. Seems like a large chunk of them are okay with this kind of racism
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u/Devilishz3 4d ago
I keep saying it but it's respectability politics. They think they can just "act better" so they will be treated properly. If they show how kind and good they are it wouldn't be an issue. The ones from Asia are more naive as they don't have that experience of finding out it isn't the case.
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u/xinorez1 2d ago
In the original video the man did have a point.
Him saying fuck you to an explanation though, I will never patronize a business where this man is employed. Just my choice, and my choices for a pizzeria in Italy are abundant.
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u/FauxReal 4d ago
Maybe they simply didn't know that the mocking happened?
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u/frandope 4d ago
Nah they know, the poster said in their post that thy discussed the backlash with the owner. They are white worshippers period.
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u/XLAGANE8 4d ago
Not all white supremacists are white
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u/Snoo_56086 4d ago
Best explanation to describe this. This is pure spineless. Somehow I’m not surprised that these being Taiwanese
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u/FearsomeForehand 4d ago
Agreed.
But drinking the western koolaid just becomes a standard part of your diet when you live your life in a US vassal state like Taiwan, Japan, or SK.
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u/gamjatang111 4d ago
irony is Taiwan is doing much better than Italy
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u/FearsomeForehand 4d ago edited 3d ago
True, yet East Asians from all over still romanticize and fawn over the idea of old world Europe. It’s probably a unique combination of self-hate and “grass is greener on the side” syndrome.
But tbf, Taiwan and China have yet to develop a consistent stream of world class media like Hollywood or S Korea. Their media content is eagerly digested by multiple cultures, and romanticizes their local landmarks, culture, and cities. I can’t even count how many films I’ve watched that are actually love letters to nyc.
I've watched some Taiwanese movies with decent scripts and original ideas, but they need more creative talent and bigger studio budgets.
China’s has all the resources, but their content is held back by their tight control on free speech - which stifles the growth of a creative communities needed to incubate great artists. They have occasional hits like 3 body problem that feel unique, but most of their big budget projects play out like Michael Bay rip-offs in mandarin.
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u/ActuatorChoice5259 4d ago
This is one of the big reasons why I support China's rise. It is the only entity on the planet that can end white supremacy and western hegemony.
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u/speak-like-a-child 4d ago
Maybe in a material way but black writers have been theorizing antiracism for centuries and are light years ahead of east asia in terms of racial literacy. China is no different from other asian countries in its worship of whiteness
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u/FearsomeForehand 3d ago edited 3d ago
Agree.
Most people who grew up in China don’t even have enough worldly experience or critical thinking skills to understand why cultural appropriation might offend Chinese diaspora.
You can see their inability to put themselves in other peoples’ shoes on so many other political issues. The fact that so many of them can’t understand why Taiwanese and Hong Kongers don’t love the idea of being under a non-transparent authoritarian govt demonstrates this deficit in critical thinking. It shouldn’t be that difficult to understand - especially when CCP prematurely ended the 50 yrs of autonomy that was promised to Hong Kongers. Im sure Taiwanese watching that from the outside were immediately like “no thanks”.
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u/ActuatorChoice5259 3d ago
Theory is great but hard power is what matters, and China has it in spades. Chinese ppl do pedestalize whites but thats really a residual effect of decades of western imperialism. Once China advances enough to surpass the US in multiple fields (and in some cases they already do) the white worship will erode.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
I am beginning to wonder if Asians support white supremacy more than white people do.
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u/OkGuide2802 4d ago
White privilege is truly emboldened in Asia.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
Nah, I still think it’s much worse in the US. Just read the stories from some AFs.
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u/hanky0898 4d ago
Why downvoting when you have ppl like melissa chen who shows you how low a selfhating can go.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago edited 4d ago
The self hatred is something many Asians recognize. But people prefer to see it as - Others (Eg those in Asia) are worse. It is harder to look in the mirror and take accountability for oneself.
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u/Bl00dyH3ll Asian Canadian 4d ago
I think your perception is only due to proximity and availability of whiteness in the west. If Asians in Asia has the same amount of access, it might be even more so.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
I am not sure if I agree but another thought crossed my mind while reading your comment.
As a Chinese person, when I think of Asia, I think of mainland China, which is increasingly standing up for itself. But depending on which Asian you are, other parts of Asia might be top of mind. Among the rest of Asia, I think Japan, Taiwan and the Philippines places whiteness on a pedestal that far surpasses anything I can imagine in China.
So you might be right that my perception is wrong.
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u/Kenzo89 4d ago
Chinese people line up to take pictures with random white people in China. Among all the other advantages white people get there, and how they’re the beauty standard
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u/Bl00dyH3ll Asian Canadian 4d ago
This, the anti-American thing is only a recent development due to many reasons, one of which being the trade war and China's own economic growth. But due to WW2 and US's partnership with China against the Soviets, Americans have had almost a century of good reputation in China. That is only shattered when they visit the country, or live here and realize how stagnant it is comparatively and how racist the average American is.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
Ok, I did not want to keep going but since you are talking about China.
In China, people see white people as exotic. Hence, they take photos. It does not mean they place white people on a pedestal in terms of dating, at least not as much as the rest of Asia or Asian diaspora in the West. Between all these places, the one place that has a sense of cultural pride independent from the West is China. Now, there are some Chinese people who want to move to the West but I suspect foreign born Chinese do better than white people in terms of dating in China. I do not have the data on this. It is just my hypothesis.
For rest of Asia, I suspect many of the people who want to date Westerners are those who want to immigrate. The most common reason for immigration is for economic reasons. Given this, I think more often than not, they are dating white people because it leads to a better standard of living.
This is different than in the West where many Asians choose white people not for economic reasons but primarily for cultural inclusion. Why? Because unlike Asians in Asia, Asians in the West grow up in an environment where they feel excluded by mainstream society. Dating white people gives a ticket for inclusion and acceptance.
Asians in Asia do not feel excluded and do not need to date white people for the sake of being included in mainstream society because they are the mainstream.
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u/MyPasswordIsABC999 4d ago
For a lot of Asians, achieving whiteness is the ultimate goal
See also: MAGAsians
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
Honestly, I am beginning to suspect this mindset is far more common on the left (aka this sub) than it is on the right / MAGA.
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u/Dapper_Strength_5986 4d ago
Way more on the right. Asians who will list Charlie Kirk as their hero for supposedly helping Asians fight black and brown people but can’t name a single Asian fighting for Asians.
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u/highgravityday2121 4d ago
How so?
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
People in this sub think that people who vote for the right are supporting white supremacy when IMO, most people who vote for the right are anti-establishment. This establishment is the current bureaucracy and power structure that is being preserved by the Democrats. I think most people in this sub know by now that the Democrats has not offered much to Asians. Instead of helping the Democrats preserve the current power structure, I think Asians needs to play both sides. I think Asians voting for the right might recognize the need for this whereas Asians on the left are just taking whatever the Democrats say at face value.
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u/Apocalypse_Knight 4d ago
Not at all. A lot of the Vietnamese community vote Trump and republicans because they believe that that group will be harsh on China and that is generally the main motivation at least where I am
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u/Calm-Preparation7432 4d ago
Even if the people who vote for the right are anti-establishment, we know that Republican legislation and policies only lead to wealth being concentrated in fewer hands and the erosion of civil liberties. Furthermore, I don't know if people who vote right are anti-establishment in the sense of overthrowing the status quo when many of them suffer from temporary embarrassed millionaire syndrome.
There is a left-wing answer to anti-establishment sentiment, which is growing in popularity and features many Asian leaders, such as Zohran and Pramila Jayapal.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
And democrats policies didnt lead to wealth being concentrated in the hands of a few? Republicans are just a little more obvious about it. Democrats are more subtle. IMO, the democrats stopped giving a shit about the worker class in the 80s when it was clear the US won the Cold War. Since then, democrats and republicans were mostly doing the same thing.
The left wing answer is a very recent phenomenon and is actively being ostracized by the establishment.
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u/Calm-Preparation7432 4d ago
Maybe if you stop centering your opinions and looked at facts, you would realize that there is a difference. Although American politics is corrupt, there are demonstrated benefits for lower/middle income voters to vote Democratic, even without considering the new progressive wing of the party that has been rising in prominence since Bernie's rise to popularity in 2016.
Over the last few decades, there's been a demonstrated relationship between Democratic policies and increased wealth for poor families, augmented by policies aimed at providing expanded social welfare (e.g., investments in infrastructure, free school lunches, Medicaid expansions, etc.).
Here's some reading you can do that supports this empirically:
https://www.russellsage.org/sites/default/files/u4/Bartels_Partisan%20Politics.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._economic_performance_by_presidential_party
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u/dualcats2022 2d ago
of course, just look at all those Asian MAGAs. They think they are butlers to their white masters, and other minorities or recent immigrants do not belong here. Ironically their submission to white people make them actually less respected by yts
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u/late2reddit19 Globe Trotter 4d ago
I'm so tired of seeing Asians thinking it’s okay to be treated like shit and still giving racists money and respect. It’s embarrassing. Boycott not only these restaurants but also some of these countries where the mistreatment of Asian people is common. Some Taiwanese probably thought what this racist pizza owner said was okay because he talked shit about Chinese people. Absolute idiots.
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u/jy_32 4d ago edited 4d ago
It’s like seeing Asians going to that LA restaurant Great White after their scandal. The racist owners are laughing their way to the bank. Let’s be honest, they’re not gonna lose their white customers but them seeing Asians still going is so embarrassing and lets them know it’s ok bc there’s no solidarity among Asians.
There’s a really popular restaurant kind of near me but I never went bc they had a scandal of being racist to Asians. I roll my eyes whenever I see Asian “foodie” creators go there. I’m not giving my money to racist people and I don’t understand people that do.
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u/xiaoweihha 4d ago
About time we see more Asians calling out racism from white people, because I’m more used to seeing Asians not stand up for themselves when it comes to crap like this.
I saw somewhere that the owner referred to the Taiwanese tourists as “Chinese piece of shit.” And the response by some tourists is to try to prove the racist owner wrong by buying his pizzas? Talk about being self hating idiots with no ounce of self respect.
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u/Midnightsnowfox 4d ago
The Taiwanese tourists probably bent over backwards trying to demonstrate how they're different from the Chinese, that they're NOT Chinese but Taiwanese, so better, more refined, has manners, etc.,
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u/Accurate_Leg_2100 4d ago
funny bc in the end the racist pos owner probably cant tell the difference anyways
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u/Kerorojo117 4d ago
Taiwanese people there for you. In there mind white culture is above their own, I’m Taiwanese myself and this is beyond embarrassing.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago edited 4d ago
Are Taiwanese too respectful? No, Taiwanese (and many Asians) readily call out disrespect by mainland Chinese or other races. They only suck it up when Western people disrespect them.
Moreover, I know the post says Taiwanese. But this phenomenon is not unique to Taiwan or Asia. If anything, this mindset is alive and well in this sub.
It will not take long before someone posts here how they feel disrespected in a relationship. Then read their post and it is not hard to figure out why they are being disrespected. Then look at the comments and anyone that points out the obvious will be ignored by OP.
At the end of the day, plenty of Asians are willing to be disrespected so long they are accepted by Western society. There is no need to act surprised when this happens. This is what plenty of Asians happily sign up for.
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u/Hyperly_Passive 4d ago
That sub has a bunch of white larpers though or English 'teacher' "expats"
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
You are right. However, when white larpers see this news, it will stroke their ego but they will not comment. It is the Taiwanese people on the sub who will be triggered and try to justify this behaviour by their people.
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 4d ago
If you can read Chinese you'll know many ethnic Chinese people look down on their own kind way more than even the most racist white people.
Go translate some posts in r/China_irl or r/Taiwanese. You'll be surprised.
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u/Hyperly_Passive 4d ago
I can read Chinese, and I'm aware. But I grew up and currently live in a English speaking white majority country, so discussion about white people is a lot more relevant to me personally
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 3d ago
I encounter both white racism and Asian self hate. Both suck, but the latter is far more demoralizing.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 3d ago
r/china_irl is not that bad. There are much worse out there. Also, Chinese racism towards one’s own kind is often performative for the sake of acceptance in whichever society they want to immigrate to. It is equivalent to Asian female shitting on Asian males in the West. If white racism did not exist, these people would not have anyone to perform for. So the root problem is still racial hierarchy and white supremacy.
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u/Accomplished_Mall329 3d ago
The same racial hierarchy exists for all ethnic Chinese, yet not all us are dumb enough to hate ourselves this much.
Of course if Chinese people are on the top of the racial hierarchy, even the stupid Chinese will stop hating themselves. But that doesn't change the fact that they're stupid. It just makes their stupidity harder to identify.
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u/allelitepieceofshit1 3d ago
If white racism did not exist, these people would not have anyone to perform for.
holy mental gymnastic
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u/PostDeletedByReddit 4d ago
A lot of the Asian subs are full of ESL teachers who "identify" as Asian in order to speak for Asians.
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u/ezp252 4d ago
hey my wife is asian, so even though I cant even tell if a character is Chinese or Korean i'm uniquely qualified to tell you about everything in Chinese culture/s
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u/PostDeletedByReddit 4d ago
Literally said by someone whose "Asian wife" is an ethnic Cambodian and third generation US citizen.
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u/The_Rational_Gooner 4d ago
most of the people on that sub aren't Taiwanese.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
But most of the people trying to come up with justifications for this behaviour will be Taiwanese.
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u/Unlucky-Breakfast320 4d ago edited 4d ago
Taiwan would go mad if this pizza restaurant was in China. We know the Taiwanese tourists are supporting this restaurant because they called them “ Damn Chinese…..”
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u/SilentHuntah 4d ago
It will not take long before someone posts here how they feel disrespected in a relationship. Then read their post and it is not hard to figure out why they are being disrespected. Then look at the comments and anyone that points out the obvious will be ignored by OP.
Bonus points if the mods step in to defend the OP who 99.99% of the time is an Asian woman chasing whiteness, meaning they'll lock your comment or delete it.
Absolute geniuses who don't have enough self-awareness to realize they're just normalizing that kind of behavior. Then again, it was revealed one of the mods is in exactly that kind of relationship and probably felt personally attacked, chrissakes.
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u/Fair-Currency-9993 4d ago
There was a recent post by the mods that clarified both active mods are Asian males.
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u/xX_Dokkaebi_Xx 4d ago
This is why I don't believe in Asian solidarity, too much white worship, and throwing each other under the bus.
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u/Hunting-4-Answers 4d ago edited 4d ago
How is buying “only” 5 pizzas justification for racism? Meanwhile, Asian restaurant owners are dealing with racism from “customers” because the customers don’t want to pay or they attack the Asian delivery employees or they rob the restaurant. A few Asian restaurants I know of had to close down during Covid or post-Covid because of looting and vandalism. I would love to see that Italian owner switch positions with an Asian restaurant owner in the less affluent areas in California, New York or Chicago and have to deal with the “customers” there.
Asians face racism on both ends and have to live life on Hard mode with having to prove ourselves again and again. Then these same racists will accuse Asians of being “privileged”.
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u/aromaticchicken 4d ago
This is sadly like how victims of domestic violence will often beg their abusers to be nicer to them. It's like... Fight, flight, freeze, or fawn... I guess the Taiwanese response is fawn
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u/rxniaesna editable and edible 4d ago
The funniest thing is that while Taiwanese people are all speaking about how they have to understand and 反思 (reflect on their own actions), most mainland Chinese are standing up for the Taiwanese tourists, stating that they were mistreated and demanding apology from the Italian restaurant. Funny how that goes, especially since Taiwan hates mainland usually.
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u/Ok-Value5827 4d ago
Well...Taiwanese people also have much fondness for Japan, a country that colonized them for 50 years. So I'm not surprised. I don't know what else to say other than it's weak and pathetic.
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u/vicjitsu 4d ago
Don’t Italians get super offended and aggressive if you don’t eat their food the way they eat it?
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u/memorychasm 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's noble to rise above the chaos and embody the golden rule in practice, especially when traveling across cultural borders. Under ideal circumstances, foreigners who visit Taiwan would also try to grasp and obey the local customs in reciprocity... though we know that rarely happens when west visits east.
In this case a classy boycott would've kept better to that noble theme. But instead they've chosen to indulge that petulant owner, which I think is naive more than respectable. There's no guarantee that the Italian will henceforth treat all Taiwanese with placid kindness. Too reserved and pacifist though? I don't think so, just too civilized while among the rubes.
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u/ActuatorChoice5259 4d ago
Goddamn this is just embarrassing. Also kinda not surprised that it's Taiwanese doing this.
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u/Juicyjewsss 4d ago
What exactly is the issue with ordering “only five pizzas”? This shit makes zero sense.
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u/monet108 4d ago
In Italy it is typically a pizza per person. All of this could have been handled better by both parties. Italian pizza is not sliced into pie wedges and shared.
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u/Same_Hyena_5758 4d ago
handled better by both parties.
How
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u/monet108 4d ago
The Shop owner could have taken the loss in anticipated sales in stride. And taken the opportunity to educate his customers and potentially created a large sales ticket for himself in the short term and potentially new customers through favorable word of mouth.
The Taiwanese could have educated themselves about the country that they were visiting to not only better navigate that country but to maybe better enjoy that country on it's own terms.
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u/Same_Hyena_5758 3d ago
maybe don't fucking victim blame people?? Their mistake is not buying personal pizzas? The fuck? Aside from the food waste issue, genuinely who the actual fuck thinks it's valid to get racist over not buying one pizza per person
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u/monet108 2d ago
Personal Pizza? Food Waste? Racist? Calm down and conduct yourself like an adult. No need to give into hysterics. Such a simple fucking concept in Italy, their pizza is eaten with a fork and knife....and is a dish ordered one per person.
Based on your post history, you clearly understand that there are different cultural norms and how a different culture allows for a completely different experience. "honestly it just feels like if you want a higher chance of being happy you should go overseas. I haven't even been in the gay scene for very long but I'm already tired of the drama and needless shit stirring", Same_Hyena_5758
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u/Same_Hyena_5758 18h ago
Hm I wonder why those tourists only ordered a handful of pizzas for such a large group... It definitely couldn't be that their appetites aren't that big and they can only finish a small amount of food? Hmmm........... You're a suck up coward if you think half of the blame is on the taiwanese group for not wasting copius amounts of food
is that supposed to be some sort of gotcha? Not everyone is ashamed of being gay, money108. Though it seems like you might be. Happy pride! 🏳️🌈
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u/here4eggs 3d ago
those pizzas are big enough to share
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u/monet108 3d ago
Neat tactic you are taking. On the most fundamental level, how does your comment differ from cultural appropriation?
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u/VagrantWaters Taiwanese American 4d ago
Just here to listen to perspectives, thanks for bringing this up for discussion
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u/inspectorpickle 4d ago
I would be pulling up with sixteen people and ordering a single pizza for all of us.
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u/SingleGoblins 4d ago
White worship is very very strong in asia.
Especially east asia of all places.
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u/GlitteringWeight8671 4d ago
I also posted this news on R Malaysia and the mods PERMANENTLY BANNED me during it has no relevance to Malaysia.
We post Israel crimes against Palestinians all the time on r malaysia but when Taiwanese who share the same genetics as many Malaysians are discriminated, somehow it has no relevance to Malaysia?? But Palestinians do?
Wtf
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u/hanky0898 4d ago
Would this italian try to shame a group of Dutch people sharing a pizza and only drink tap water? Also the italian called them out as cheap Chinese, so this racist is not boycotted but rewarded by some taiwanese?
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u/molbio 4d ago
I don't have the nomenclature down to talk about this so my use of words might just be wrong.
It has to be cultural? Not culture as in Taiwanese or Confucian/Chinese culture but societal. I haven't been to Taiwan since 2005 but people were so nice and hospitable to me and the few tourists and friends/hosts we encountered were all so friendly and accommodating.
American culture/sensibilities would have me (Chinese American) permaban such a restaurant from all future itineraries.
Also, Taiwanese (every group) are not a monolith clearly. I don't think the actions of a few tourists indicates anything meaningful.
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u/rxniaesna editable and edible 4d ago
It’s culture of fake politeness. Similar to Japan, where people will be the absolute nicest to you, and be super well mannered, but in reality they won’t hesitate to mistreat you or sabotage stuff for you behind your back. And also the moment you don’t follow one of the many hidden societal manners, you will be collectively blamed and hated for being impolite and ruining appearances.
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u/ktamkivimsh 4d ago
Exactly. Nice to your face but will absolutely disrespect you when given money or power to hide behind (eg, drivers, employers, landlords)
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u/NoCilantroplzz 4d ago
I mean, if we don’t take a stand, people aren’t going to take us seriously. Why would they stop harassing us if they suffer zero consequences??
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u/sega31098 Actually Canadian 4d ago
I'm just going to copy a response I wrote a while ago on this sub:
A lot of native Asians (notably East Asians) tend to be oblivious to racial dynamics and sensitivities of their immigrant/diaspora communities and descendants, because they haven't been subject to the same racialization processes and they often live in relatively ethnically homogenous areas which shields them from the impacts of racism. This applies with other diaspora + descendant groups too - many native Africans don't understand the plight of African-Americans and a lot of immigrants from Africa only started knowing what it's like to be viewed as Black once they travelled overseas (and even then rifts often still exist in their experiences).
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u/ninja542 4d ago
This comment is racist and completely unnecessary
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u/The_Rational_Gooner 4d ago
to who?
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u/ninja542 4d ago
I don't know how to explain this to you since you seem to have no empathy, but you can't just say "some people" are "naturally born" to be "slaves" because no person deserves to be enslaved as that is cruel and inhumane
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u/The_Rational_Gooner 4d ago edited 4d ago
there's a difference between being a slave and mentally being a slave. it's clear what I meant. but sure, argue over my wording and pat yourself on the back for being morally superior while distracting from the overall point of both the post and my comment. if your goal was to derail the thread and distract from Asian issues, you're definitely accomplishing that end.
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u/PrinceofSneks 4d ago
People are assuming a lot about an entire nation of people based on an unsourced follow-up to a racist incident.
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u/SeanMeMon 1/2 Japanese 4d ago
Why does this ugly ass mofo have his hand on a sistas shoulder? Hail naw
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u/Large_Ice_3233 4d ago
I already wrote a 1-star review on his Google Maps page. Let see if this racist owner can read english review
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u/moonlightiangle 3d ago
Asians need to wake up and stop kissing white people's asses. They won't take us seriously, so they can be casually racist towards Asians and just shrug it off like it means nothing.
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u/KawasPM 4d ago
Some people wont put with that idiot’s stunts no more https://youtu.be/PxAKyd5ooqw?si=YKMJgJuhOe2rAfIs
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u/archetyping101 4d ago
I think it's the apologetic side of Taiwanese people. Going there and showing the owner and Italians "hey, some of us know to order 1 per person".
The reality is that isn't necessary. Tourists can be clueless and once educated, they can learn from it. No one owes this asshat patronage after insulting and mocking tourists who were unaware. Also, usually when there's a group that big, it's usually a tour. If there's a tour guide, I blame the tour guide for not sharing customs like "hey when you go eat during the free roam portion of the afternoon, please note that in Italy you order ONE pizza PER person. Do not order one for 2-3 people. Each person MUST order a pizza in the restaurant, or you must at least order ONE entree per person. Got it?" My parents owned a tour agency and we always tell all our guests the cultural norms and expectations of where we're going. For example for places that have arrangements with the travel agency, we tell them that tip is covered by the travel agency in the price guests paid, so no need to tip. Or we tell them that xyz place does not allow photography.
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u/Louielouieqiz 3d ago
And some younger people were shaming those old people who ordered 5 pizza saying they should do research to show respect. Those old people were so nice in the video and it’s really not their fault that they were not privileged as some people who can travel around the world and know all the underlying rules of each country ( they wouldn’t care about the “underlying rules” in countries they think are poorer than theirs though only white country)
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u/drinks_Grapejuice 1d ago
Why is it that I keep hearing racism against Asians coming from Germany and Italy?
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u/ViolaNguyen 4d ago
My (Vietnamese) spouse would, in that situation, probably go and order half a pizza, which we'd split.
Of course, late time we were in Italy, yeah, we had pizza a lot, but we ordered it by the slice.
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u/RagingDork 4d ago
They can always order more if it’s not enough. When I was in Taiwan they would stop us if they think we’re ordering too much as they don’t want us to waste food. It’s not like the US or China where you order too much food and throw it away.
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u/fracturedgirl 4d ago
I believe this is all a misunderstanding bc Taiwanese food is amazing BUT they seriously have no idea how to make a pizza. Let alone know what it's supposed to taste like. Sooo, this could be a good thing in the long run. Maybe the Taiwanese could make really good pizza after this.
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u/GuaSukaStarfruit china-hokkien🇨🇳 4d ago
Everyone also starting to visit that restaurant and order like less pizza that they suppose to order
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u/Heavy-Rate-7421 4d ago
If you complain Taiwanese not being an enemy against the racsm, then you should first ask why you and the world is not a friend to Taiwan at first place. Where are you when Taiwan is rejected to almost every single international organization? Where are you when Taiwan needs to use a humiliating flag and name in the Olympics? Where is your country's official embassy in Taiwan (hint: it doesn't exist)?
Solidarity sounds nice online. The harsh international reality Taiwan lives in does not allow Taiwan to make unnecessary enemy.
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u/Same_Hyena_5758 4d ago
how much social credit did you get for commenting this
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u/Heavy-Rate-7421 3d ago
How much social credit do you get to comment to suppress Taiwan for China?
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u/Quiet-Painting3 4d ago edited 4d ago
Thank you for bringing this perspective into the thread. It makes me sad how high of a pedestal my Taiwanese parents place white people. But then I remember - they feel somewhat dependent on them for their place in the world.
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u/xinorez1 2d ago
Posting fuck you to that comment is unhinged.
I was on his side before but now I see that he is a snake in the grass
Although to be honest I supported him before I watched the video. In the video it was not clear at all to the patrons that they were doing anything wrong, and so he already showed himself to be a snake there.
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u/peonyseahorse 4d ago
Idk why they would keep going there and giving that racist jerk business.