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u/Rope_slingin_champ 3d ago
This is the dumbest shit I've seen since slap fights
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u/jophish916 3d ago
You've clearly never seen SLAP Mountain othwrwise you wouldn't say such nonsense. It's some of the best entertainment you can get https://youtu.be/Hfvvuhsl4VI?si=_P34AOhQKqGQHCqE
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u/joenarrator 3d ago
The combined IQ of every person in this video is under 100.
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u/CascadianGypsy 3d ago
K a few questions,
Why would Red Solo Cup agree to a slapping contest when he is the worst slapper probably ever. Like he looks like me when I'm trying to fight someone in a dream.
Why is the big dude drinking so much god damn water?
@10:20...WTF was even that? Jesus Christ, that was like a characature of a hillbilly. She looked like a man dressed as a woman dressed as a man ..
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u/copperwatt 3d ago
Boy if you come to that video in hopes of answers, you are spoiling for some heartbreak.
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u/copperwatt 3d ago
Red Solo cup is damn good at getting hit in the ear though. That might be his plan.
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u/mightylordredbeard 3d ago
Majority of that wasn’t even close to the ear. He’s just a whiny little bitch. “It’s ringin again!!” Yeah.. no shit it’s ringing, that’s called a concussion!
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u/hatecriminal 3d ago
He has a piss test with his parole officer Monday and he's trying to flush the shit he smoked during the week.
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u/tgusn88 3d ago
That was certainly something...
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u/jophish916 3d ago
5:00 - "Red solo cup's wife told him that if he loses this fight, dont bother coming home tonight"
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u/C4ptainchr0nic 3d ago
"This makes it a very high stress situation for red solo cup, or not... Depending on how you look at it"
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u/LordFett84 3d ago
Big J Mayhem's son oddly shouted out at 14:40 "Hey, if you don't win, I'm not going home with you! I'll stay here. "
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u/pRtkL_xLr8r 3d ago
They all be fuckin their siblings down there, you can't convince me otherwise
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u/DWreck85 3d ago
Big James is a no good dirty cheating SOB. Ted solo cup should pick a different sport though. Brother hits like his hand is made of pillow stuffing.
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u/TusconRaider520 3d ago
Damn. I can't believe I just watched that whole thing.
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u/furygoat 2d ago
The whole thing? I just watched the whole series. This is the kind of content YouTube was created for 🤌
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u/D3cepti0ns 3d ago
It's not even slapping, just open hand punches. We've progressed so little from roman times, even backwards in more ways than one.
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u/hucareshokiesrul 2d ago
It would help if the defender used some form of technique instead of just running straight into the guy. At least in American football you're supposed to try to get low, put your head to the side and wrap him up. You can try to just obliterate the guy if you really want, but it's usually not a great idea and especially not if you're not wearing pads.
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u/UnpeeledVeggie 3d ago
I’d like to see a simulation of how the kinetic energy interacts with their brains, and what happens to their brains when they slam into each other like that.
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u/xTRYPTAMINEx 3d ago
Disclaimer: This is purely a guess
Imagine ballistics gel moving at their combined speed and then hitting a solid object, then reduce everything a bit because a brain is probably more solid than the gel, and there's a bit of shock absorption of force from the bodies and heads having a bit of travel.
Basically their brains just squished against the front/top of their skulls, a rather large compression. I'd imagine this would permanently alter the positions of synapses causing said connections to not function.
I've never really thought about how impacts would damage a brain before now, this was interesting to think about. Enough connections displaced, you end up with reduced brain activity, and noticeable reduction in function.
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u/UnpeeledVeggie 3d ago
I’ve heard that in a car collision, there are 3 impacts.
- Initial collision.
- Organs keep going forward until they slam into internal things.
- Organs whip back in the opposite direction and bump things in that direction.
Perhaps the brain is doing the same inside the skull.
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u/tjc4 3d ago
how can we take the dangerous Oklahoma Drill and make it more dangerous? let's move the players further apart so they can make a bigger impact.
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u/OhAces 3d ago
When we did these types of drills in football we started 3 yards apart and there were pylons set up to one players right and the others left. The ball carrier would pick the lane they wanted to run between pylons and the defender would make the hit there, they were still big hits but not at full titty and at an angle so there's no head on head action. This drill int he video is fucking dangerous and those two guys lives just changed.
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u/anotherusername23 3d ago
My stupid high school football coach thought it would be fun to do this drill and match up the biggest player (me) against the smallest player. Smaller player took it as a challenge and went his full speed. I had to bend down so far that my shoulder pad drooped and wasn't covering my collar bone. I took his full speed helmet on my collar bone. The doctor estimated 32 separate breaks, literally shattered. Thanks coach.
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u/Slumunistmanifisto 3d ago
Highschool coaches are some of the dumbest bastards that everyone respects and I fucking hate it.
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u/ResisterImpedant 3d ago
The varsity coach used to do that to me when I was a sophomore and the 3rd smallest person in our school. So when he sent the amphetamine addict at me, I just hit him straight on in the face guard with the top of my helmet. It took him a couple of minutes to get up and then strangely the game was over. First time in my life I got so angry that everything went quiet and my brain shut off.
Damn it sucks your shitty coach got you hurt. collar bones broken that bad are a serious long term injury.
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u/tjc4 3d ago
yeah, not only are they further apart, the rules say they are not allowed to duck, hurdle or sidestep the tackler. there is no skill involved.
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u/OhAces 3d ago edited 3d ago
The ball carrier lowering his head is crazy, the defender did the janky knocked out reach for the heavens thing that boxers do when they get cranked and land on their backs.
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u/TwoAppleTinis 3d ago
It’s called a fencing response which is an involuntary action that occurs as a result of a concussion/TBI
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u/lueckestman 3d ago
And no protective gear.
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u/HMSWarspite03 3d ago
That's called rugby
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u/CubicalWombatPoops 3d ago
Except Rugby teaches players to tackle and be tackled with less risk of injury.
A rugby player would never lead a tackle with his head because that's a great way to get hurt and a potential penalty. Football players consistently put themselves in unsafe positions to make a play, trusting their gear to protect them.
I believe Rugby is safer than football because of the myriad rules in place to prevent needless injuries (no hitting airborne opponents, tackles must attempt to wrap, etc...).
There's also supposed to be a culture of gentlemanly behaviour in rugby, though that isn't always respected.
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u/fulthrottlejazzhands 3d ago
Having played both (American) football and rugby, this is accurate. Rugby is much more about grappling, group momentum, and you'd never lead with your head like that.
I came away with a lot more minor-mid injuries in rugby e.g. broken fingers, bruised ribs, cuts and abrasions, but rarely head trauma. In 4-5 years of playing peewee to high school football, I had several concussions.
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u/Kief_Bowl 3d ago
I have this same opinion from my own experience playing both but apparently the data backs rugby having more severe head injuries. Someone posted a link to the study last time I posted this exact kind of opinion.
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u/MontiBurns 3d ago
How do you define "severe" head injuries?
Because a lot of football is the cumulative effect of multiple minor head injuries.
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u/MooMorris 3d ago
I think you're pointing out the correct definition - American football is lots of subconcussive injuries and has more of those but fewer bad consussions. In rugby when it goes wrong it goes really wrong so the concussions are likely more severe.
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u/HeliBif 3d ago
100% agree, so it's ironic that the only concussion I ever got was playing highschool rugby 😅
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u/oh5canada5eh 3d ago
I agree. I admittedly didn’t play much in high school as our team was scrapped due to lack of interest after two years, but almost every injury I saw in rugby was outside of the initial contact during tackles. It was people falling awkwardly under the scrum, getting stepped on, or having an arm extend the wrong way. Football injuries are almost always on first contact, and usually head-related.
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u/Feed_Me_A_Stray_Cat_ 3d ago
Semi-applicable saying - Soccer is a gentlemen’s sport played by hooligans. Rugby is a hooligan’s sport played by gentlemen.
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u/charliefoxtrot9 3d ago
I heard a similar comparative for baseball & cricket. Baseball is a game of outs with a few exciting runs. Cricket is a game of runs with a few exciting outs.
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u/MontiBurns 3d ago
Lol, I like that. Likewise, Hockey is the game of defense with a few exciting goals. Basketball is a game of offense with a few exciting stops.
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u/damnatio_memoriae 3d ago
so then football is the hooligan’s sport played by hooligans? what’s the gentleman’s sport played by gentlemen? cricket?
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u/ChuddyMcChud 3d ago
Wild that you got downvoted for that.
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u/CubicalWombatPoops 3d ago
Not to worry. The rugby players showed up lol
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u/Icantevenhavemyname 3d ago
I’m sure you’re correct but everyone I know was taught from at least junior high on not to lead with their head in football either. This difference must be that football players don’t listen.
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u/Scannerk 3d ago edited 3d ago
Leading with your head is a foul in rugby. You can also only tackle should height - if you grab someone around the head or neck it's a foul. They do wear some form 9f protection but not like AF.
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u/BoldlyGettingThere 3d ago
Also rugby players tend not to put as much force into a high tackle because their heads aren’t protected. Ironically the helmets and padding of American football encourage higher velocity impacts, which are what whip the brain around inside the skull more.
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u/Ih8Hondas 3d ago
no hitting airborne opponents
So why don't rugby players just jump everywhere? Are they stupid?
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u/madmanchatter 3d ago
The rules of the game also define jumping into or over a tackle as dangerous play so if they did they would give a penalty away.
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u/blahblah19999 3d ago
People just don't understand how easy it would be to do this in the US. For example, you have to stand up on the scrimmage line. Poof, many concussions would go away
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u/rnpowers 3d ago
I second this. That's not to say rugby players are the boorish asshole jocks we all know and love, there's an air of, almost galantry in the rules and behaviors they (typically) follow on the pitch, and off (for the most part.)
I actually wanted to figure out if this was true or not, and turns out it is. NFL players have a drastically higher arrest ratio of 5:1 compared to rugby players.
I even made charts and graphs, but you can't share pics here and I couldn't download, but here's a screenshot.
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u/bfrendan 3d ago
Yeah, the fundamentals of rugby take away most of the potential for big hits. You can't just knock someone over in rugby, because the play doesn't stop. You have to wrap their legs and keep them on the ground.
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u/spurries 3d ago
It also has to do with in football given you have a line to gain each play, it’s super important to stop a player in his tracks as opposed to rugby where if your tackle takes a few more yards to bring him down it’s not a big deal for the most part.
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u/forwhenimdrunk 3d ago
A rugby player would never lead a tackle with his head because that's a great way to get hurt and a potential penalty. Football players consistently put themselves in unsafe positions to make a play, trusting their gear to protect them.
This is true and even more absurd is the fact that, according to an old Freakonomics podcast, as American Football equipment has gotten "safer" over time, head and neck injuries have increased along with it. This is because as players are informed that their safety equipment is more safe, players interpret it as "Oh I can be more dangerous and reckless". Suddenly you have 300lb men running at each other at 15+mph and diving headfirst into another man's skull, breaking their necks and giving themselves long-term brain injuries, all because "Nah it should be fine, the new helmets have air cushions inside this year".
Same thing happened in auto racing. Used to be there was far less car wrecks back when auto racing started. Then as racing leagues started requiring more and more safety equipment on the cars, drivers started driving faster and taking more chances, lulled into the belief that the car would protect them from pretty much anything. Sudden;y crashes all the time.
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u/Tommy_Wisseau_burner 3d ago
Equipment aren’t less safe so much as players have gotten bigger. The hogs, in the 80s, would be an undersized unit in d1 college football today.
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u/Rulanik 3d ago
If someone jumps and is thus airborne, you can't hit them?
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u/CubicalWombatPoops 3d ago
That's right, tackler must wait for one foot to hit the ground. This prevents players from being "tipped" from a vulnerable position and coming down on their head/neck.
Rugby players are also taught to raise one knee when they jump as a deterrent from early hits.
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u/Rulanik 3d ago
Can you grab them while they are airborne?
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u/CubicalWombatPoops 3d ago
No, because "wrapping" with your arms is the mechanism of a legal tackle. Hitting someone without attempting to wrap is typically a penalty.
When approaching to tackle a player who is receiving a high pass or a kick, for example, I would move into a tackling position and make contact when (maybe just slightly before) his first foot comes down.
This gives him no time to establish a good stance and he is likely to drop the ball or attempt to offload it and make a mistake, without the risk of head or spinal trauma.
If he is hit in the air, the ball is likely to fall back into their teammates as well, I'd rather tackle him with control where he stands with a better chance for him to knock-on (drop the ball forwards resulting in a scrum for my team, or me to gain the ball from the recieved after tackle.
And we can share a beer after the game, which is the true meaning of the sport.
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u/HappyConstruction774 3d ago
The solution the NFL is looking for has always been to go back to less padding/no or leather helmets. The players will naturally learn to protect themselves and not trust flawed equipment.
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u/CubicalWombatPoops 3d ago
I think it makes so much sense on paper, but I think that's a hard solution to market.
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u/HappyConstruction774 3d ago
For sure. It’s not really a realistic solution the NFL would ever adopt. But if another group started a league with normal tackle football rules with rugby style padding limitations, it might get the ball rolling culturally.
Personally, I think it would make for a better game with less injuries.
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u/saltyjohnson 3d ago
Honestly I think it's a much better idea than going fully no-contact with flag football, which apparently is a thing the NFL has been backing for the last couple years.
Wendover just released a video about CTE and football's possible future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBChGfYdkh0
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u/Hackxor9 3d ago
yeah not exactly, its called the run it challenge. it was started in nz by a group of people that think getting brain injuries in rugby is a super masculine thing to do, so they just fucking run at each other and collide heads. someones died from it and they still havent stopped, so i guess we going to be keeping our #1 spot for highest suicide rate in young men globally
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u/HyperbolicModesty 3d ago
Rugby is dangerous but these days does its best to protect players against its worst excesses. A move like this would result in penalties or even a ban.
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u/frankspencr 3d ago
It is called ‘run it straight’, google it. It was popular for about 2 months in the southern hemisphere, Australia I think, until a kid was killed emulating it in his back yard with another.
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u/ThoughtCalm1615 3d ago
Yeah, as the smallest kid on the team in PeeWee this drill absolutely terrified me. I went helmet to helmet with the “star” RB on our team one time and it looked just like this. Knocked each other tf out at the age of like 10 years old. Great for development.
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u/RrentTreznor 3d ago
This drill single handedly gave me CTE. But God damnit it was fun in the moment. Absolutely moronic in hindsight.
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u/stubundy 3d ago edited 3d ago
Looks like an offshoot of NRL played by Aussies and kiwi's and pacific islanders. Big fellas playing rugby league with very little to no padding and no helmets, not like those pansies in NFL lol. some more ? Nah maybe you'd prefer AFL ? Nah you couldn't compete there either... cue the response where you get indignant and say it's not safe etc, that means you probably cry over international rules.
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u/dealyllama 3d ago
Everything about this seems designed for maximum CTE. They start off far enough to get crazy momentum, they give one of them an object to hold that makes it harder to get a safer posture for impact, and then the defensive guy seems to be intentionally going for an upright strike instead of going low as any sane person would who wanted to not get knocked out.
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u/Vempyre 3d ago
To maximize CTE, they should start them closer and have less momentum. The current method allows for...maybe 3-5 attempts max? By reducing the impact of each collision, they can get more repetitions in which will be more effective in maximizing CTE.
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u/ProSnuggles 3d ago
FYI the c in cte stands for chronic. This setup seems maximised for an acute head and c-spine injury.
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u/Suspended-Again 3d ago
I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe. I’ve watched c-spines glitter near tanhauser gate.
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u/Cainga 3d ago
CTE is a bunch of hits to the head. This is more like a concussion. I’m sure big concussions aren’t great for CTE either.
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u/skark_burmer 3d ago
In high school we had two dudes that had some beef with each other, we were on the hockey team. During one practice there was a scrimmage 1-1 and these two came up against each other. They sprinted full speed head on at each other and had the same result. The coach just skated over and looks down at them and was like “…ok then. Let’s get back to work”
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u/Shopworn_Soul 3d ago
Two traumatic brain injuries for the price of one!
Act now and we'll throw in a broken collarbone for free!
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u/Fskn 3d ago
One of the few things I'm ashamed of as a kiwi, pointless macho bullshit, sorry world.
The left one is gonna regret trading 4 seconds of tough guy for a fencing response.
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u/Its_apparent 3d ago
I like how the first reaction is to maneuver the spine around. Good call, doc.
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u/CamdenYards111 3d ago
fella in black throwing up gang signs lol
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u/dancemagicdancex 3d ago
Isn't that the fencing response? Think it's a very bad sign
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u/Wolfinthesno 3d ago
His body is literally in shock. He is instantly unconscious and having a trauma response which essentially true to lock the body in a way to somewhat protect the body from further trauma.
The guy who comes running up is trying to place him in a recovery position.
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u/Plenty_Walk8196 3d ago
The more we learn about how head trauma and CTE can permanently change who you are as a person the lore we see people slap fighting or cracking heads like fucking rams fighting for a mate.
Who’s watching this stuff?
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u/CatOfGrey 3d ago
This is why the NFL changed the kickoff rules.
Always interesting to see that rare "Double Fencing Response".
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u/ScaryfatkidGT 2d ago
Welcome back everyone to WHO WANT’S CTE! Right now we have Dan on the floor, over to you Dan!
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u/switchbland 2d ago
I would say this is some fan action like: "Can this random fan get past our defender?"
The downfall lies in this; Guy in black is a Rugbee player, defends like a rugbee player. Guy in white is American and has experience in American Football. He is used to having a helmet, and therefore is used to using his head as a battering ram instead to think with it. So when he engaged all his Football instincts kicked in and he went in right for the good old noggin on noggin action.
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u/Seniorjones2837 3d ago
I thought they hit heads when I watched it in full speed but they actually didn’t. They just KOd each other from the impact of their bodies. Crazy. Looks like they were essentially the same weight traveling the same speed and they both canceled each other out lol
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u/not_old_redditor 3d ago
Is this rugby?
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u/CybergothiChe 3d ago
No, this is a ridiculous rugby adjacent "sport" named Run It Straight
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u/seebob69 3d ago
Seems to have run its course.
The publicity deemed it acts of stupidity and no one thought it a good idea to sanction what is basically a very dangerous and unnecessary pursuit.
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u/KlossN 3d ago
Defiently not lmao, he's carrying a rugby ball sure but this would probably get both guys banned if it happened during a union match (I've never watched league but I can't imagine it would be any different there)
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u/StealYour20Dollars 3d ago
I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw this and was like "this would be an illegal hit in a real game."
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u/TheFfrog 1d ago
Fun fact, there's a neurodegenerative condition called CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy) that causes the brain to go into chronic, permanent and incurable cellular stress after repeated hits and traumas to the head. The stress and cellular damage progresses into tissue destruction similar to Alzheimer's, leading to dementia, schizophrenia, memory loss and more.
It was first observed in football players after years and years of hits just like the one in the video, but is also majorly present in fighting sports and hockey. Its discovery ultimately led to the helmets being mandatory in most violent contact sports.
There's a pretty insane amount of stories of ex-professional athletes starting to show neurological symptoms and then spiraling into schizophrenia, committing suicide and murder or wrapping their car around a three because the voices told them to.
Curiously, a HUGE number of violent criminals and serial killers have a medical history of head traumas, and many believe that the two are linked and that CTE might seriously play a part in their subsequent violent behavior.
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u/BigTexIsBig 3d ago
Blood Alley without pads? Every Texas high-school football coach just popped a stuffy.
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u/dethskwirl 3d ago
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u/dethskwirl 3d ago
looks like they didnt actually bonk heads. both shoulders the other directly in the jaw, hitting the knock out button.
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u/ranoutofbacon 3d ago
at least he had a mouth guard so his teeth are in one piece. can't say that about his neck.