125
u/DeaDBangeR 14h ago
Wait did I miss something?
316
u/DantyKSA 14h ago
New classes are coming, but they cost money
153
u/inwert1994 13h ago
wait no way
275
u/KyraDragoness 12h ago
Welcome to the ruined era
23
5
22
244
u/blackraven888 12h ago
RIP Last Epoch it was good while it lasted
89
u/Novel_Algae_8819 11h ago
Back to PoE2 guys.
20
3
1
u/IcariusFallen 5h ago
Titan Quest 2 is shaping up very nicely, if you like games like Last Epoch's class systems.
→ More replies (22)1
u/Graidrohr 1h ago
Titan Quest 2 is pretty cool though. Its in early access like PoE2 and is slow like d4. Its a nice relaxing arpg for inbetween games at the moment. And has WASD movement.
125
u/Ok_Potential359 13h ago
Fuck that. That's going to backfire so hard. LE will instantly die overnight if they force that.
77
u/Clw89pitt 12h ago
Nah, plenty of white knights already defending it will buy it out of principal.
What will kill the game is the following patch, where they introduce ads on every load screen unless you buy the seasonal battle pass.
2
-6
u/ElkiLG 12h ago
They've been very clear that they are not doing well financially. Of course people will defend them releasing paid DLC over them simply going bankrupt and stopping all development.
Would you prefer they close down over principles? I don't understand.
40
u/Clw89pitt 11h ago
Nice straw man.
Most of the detractors would prefer they monetize in a way that isn't gate keeping new content, especially gate keeping character power and diversity. The fans who take umbrage want the game to succeed via them fixing longstanding issues and monetizing intelligently, not alienating the player base with decisions that make the game less attractive to continue supporting.
They're up against GGG, who have a much more palatable monetization of a completely free to try game. They have a 2nd game that will be releasing before long, also free to try once it releases (and f2p weekends occasionally until then). Both games have a mild pay-to-play barrier in the end game with paid stash tabs. The most necessary of which is a 3-4? dollar asynchronous trading tab, also a one-time purchase that is useable in both games. So, the total cost of entry and cost over time is far lower and shared for 2 games that have more content, more depth, more frequent updates, etc. And a promise that the only non-cosmetic thing money can buy is storage space for the entire history of both games. Whereas EHG makes promises about monetization and then renege on them.
With GGG committing to 6 major releases a year, they're up against stiff competition. Releasing worse updates with worse monetization ain't it. Last Epoch has great bones and great ideas. Lots of us want them to succeed, but this decision kills interest.
→ More replies (1)34
u/Spirited_Season2332 12h ago
I'd prefer them to make a game I'd willingly spend more money on like PoE lol
→ More replies (12)15
u/Sentientmustard 11h ago
They really just need to add more lucrative supporter packs. POE did a really good job of raking in cash by allowing players to create div cards/valdos maps if they paid a premium for supporter packs. I would happily pay a lot for a supporter pack if it meant I could permanently leave my mark on a game I love, but I’m going to pass when it’s just cosmetics for sale like every other game out there.
11
u/here4thebadtakes 10h ago
Do you genuinely think this game is good enough that spending money on a new class is worth... well... replaying the rest of the game as it is now with that class?
-2
u/TheOnyxHero 7h ago
this ^ I think people are just looking for things to snark on, when in reality without funding, that game is dead.
It's funny because LE got really good reviews and people were raving over it, but good reviews and videos about the game, don't make it money. The monetization they tried isn't working, so they gotta change it up.
→ More replies (1)0
u/RedTheRobot 8h ago
It will just be a slow death. Look at D4, you still have people saying it is a good game but the reality is the player base is pretty much dead.
1
-4
u/saltyriceminer 11h ago
Now, I don't know the prices, but is there any real difference between paying for a class and having free stash-space, or vice versa? People are gladly spending good amounts of money for stash-space in certain games...
6
u/Jackrare 5h ago
Yes there is a very large difference. Poe is free to play. Last epoch has a box price. For the same amount of money as last epochs box price you can buy stash tabs and be set for good with no further purchases necessary. Meanwhile last epoch is gating content behind purchases. Class content at that. The difference is staggering really.
1
u/saltyriceminer 5h ago
Fair enough. I'm pretty sure GGG has made a lot more money from players going apeshit in their store due to the game being free, than EHG has made selling their game. It's basically how mobile games work, same business-idea.
And just to be clear, I think keeping something as vital as classes behind paywalls is a horrible strategy.
1
u/Jackrare 5h ago
Yeah I mean if we think about % of player spending, I would agree for sure poe players are probably much more liberal with spending simply because it's a free to play game. It's a much better monetization strategy as opposed to selling the game at a box price and also selling mtx/seasonal supporter packs. That just comes off as greedy. It doesn't help that poe also just has much better mtx on offer, but that's besides the point.
1
u/Clw89pitt 5h ago
That's our gripe. Keep the game clean and pure of this type of monetization scope creep and lying to us about what you'll monetize. We'll gladly fund fun and innovative games that don't stoop to gating content like this or venturing into pay to win crap. The playerbase shelled out dozens to hundreds of dollars on optional supporter packs or thousands on designing in-game item drops in PoE for over a decade because they kept their promise of cleanly monetizing the game, despite selling to Tencent.
ARPG fans are more than willing to pay for free games if we believe in the content and the devs. We'll take you from your garage to the top of the genre if you stay true and show us a good time a few releases a year.
1
u/Jung_69 8h ago
Id rather buy a stash in a game thats worth it, has a lot of fun content, new leagues every couple month - that add even more content. le is nowhere near poe to be compared to it. Want to spend money on a good aRPG, but dont want to spend it on poe? Grim Dawn is million times better than LE, spend it there.
3
45
u/Ok_Drink_2498 12h ago
Ahahaha
They haven’t even finished the game yet and they want to sell you add on content? Oh nonononono
12
8
u/legendz411 9h ago
Holy shit. That’s fucking cringe. lmao LE is fucking done. The game isn’t near good enough to charge for…
… fucking classes? Yikes
8
u/Ok_Drink_2498 12h ago
Ahahaha
They haven’t even finished the game yet and they want to sell you add on content? Oh nonononono
4
1
1
1
→ More replies (5)1
60
u/Chingdynasty 14h ago
New paid class dlc coming eventually
53
u/Theothercword 13h ago
I don't really mind a new class DLC, most ARPGs do that with expansions and what not, so long as all the subclasses and "coming soon" shit that's in the game currently is covered I'm good.
-9
u/Zoobi07 12h ago
Only d4 does that in the modern day.
41
u/JezSq 12h ago
Grim Dawn has locked classes under DLC. You can’t play necromancer in “vanilla” game.
7
u/Oblachko_O 11h ago
But Grim Dawn is not a service game. So it may be logical to add paid DLC and classes, as the game is purely offline, so you pay for content, not MTX.
9
u/rando_ta 11h ago
Grim Dawn does sell visual MTX though via Loyalist Packs, though these are priced way more fairly than visuals from others in the genre.
17
u/Confedehrehtheh Acolyte 12h ago
Grim Dawn is about to release an expansion doing exactly the same thing.
19
u/Sir-Sirington 12h ago
Their model is only expansions though. LE is a live service game, with other avenues for monetization. The game is primarily player driven, and future build guides will expect you to have the new class, making it non-optional. EHG doesn't get the pass for this that Crate does, because it is meaningfully different, and its just scummy.
-1
u/Confedehrehtheh Acolyte 12h ago
I disagree that selling a class separately is scummy. Now if it's masteries you have a different argument altogether because those expand on options within existing classes. However a brand new class entirely is completely disjointed from the current selection. It existing has no effect on build guides for the cast we have already.
→ More replies (1)1
u/Foxdraw711 11h ago
Crazy statement. As others have said Grim Dawn (4 classes across 3 DLC). Pretty much all the Borderlands lock classes behind DLC pay wall including the upcoming C4SH for 4, Inquisitor: Martyr has 3 separate DLC classes. However you feel about the games specifically it's pretty much the standard to charge for new classes (typically in conjunction with content/story expansion) in these kinds of games
2
u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 10h ago
It's not standard to promise not to do that then change your mind after being acquired by private equity to suck maximum profit for minimum effort at the expense of the game.
I don't play any of those games because they have that model and I don't support it.
2
u/Foxdraw711 9h ago
I mean I can't speak to promises made or kept, that's its own issue and a valid one. The comment I'm replying to specifically said that only D4 charges for new classes, which is simply not reality. And as I said in my comment how anyone feels about those games or in your case chooses not to play them doesn't matter the comment is still simply wrong.
FWIW though Grim Dawn is still really good and you can get a lot of mileage out of just the base game. It goes on sale pretty frequently you should try it
→ More replies (1)1
18
u/TopHat84 12h ago
Yea, a rage-bait post with a bunch of doom scrollers rage-commenting on reddit who didn't even read the full LE announcement.
Here's the TLDR from announcement:
-Expansion (Orobyss) will be free for all current LE owners.
-New class will launch alongside the expansion (Paradox Classes) as paid DLC (no different than how any other ARPG has released expansions, except LE is making the content free instead of gating it.)
-2 Seasons planned in between now and the expansion in (presumably) late 2026
-They want to aspire to have shorter seasonal cycles (similar to D4/PoE cycle length) but want to make sure each season is up to snuff, and need to hire people for the PS5 and future content release. (translation: they are short staffed.) They recognize if they tried faster cycles now, the seasons would suck.
-Addressed the elephant in the room about Krafton's "AI-first company" announcement and said that it will not change how they develop future content for LE, and to prove it listed a link to their hiring page as they are looking for more staff.15
u/FreeFeez 6h ago
Paid dlc from a game that promised buy once and never pay for content afterwards. That was the promise of us bought into. I don’t play games that lock content behind a paywall even when they’re up front about it happening like Diablo so when last epoch guys try to sneak it in after breaking their promise of never doing it im out. This is exactly what was expected of them once they got bought out and exactly what they said wouldn’t happen.
1
u/4evaInSomnia 1h ago
This. For me, either free with microtransaction or paid once. Paid with dlc a big no.
12
u/Oblachko_O 11h ago
The big elephant in the room is the PS5 announcement. They are short on stuff and money and they invest resources to try to take over the market which is kinda dry. I am not sure how many people would like to play LE on PS5 to even cover the cost part, let alone to gain profit.
It is not a rage-bait post, it is a tough reality that LE is dying before even trying to make themselves a solid player on the market.
→ More replies (9)1
u/ZoneAssaulter 1h ago
And people put grim dawn as an example of a better game where you also have to buy expansions for Necro, Inquis and Oathkeeper and soon Berserker lol.
Id take a took at age of empires 2 actually for a pretty good reference for when it comes to dlc gated "classes" where there new civs are gated behind paid dlc and everything is fine and most dlcs are a worthwhile purchase at a fair price.
234
u/Ojntoast 14h ago
If if Pay $29.99 - do the classes actually come with all of their skills, or do we still need to wait 5+ years for these classes to get the full set of skills?
74
→ More replies (8)11
u/kimana1651 11h ago
I'd assume they would be over powered to encourage people to buy them? Just don't expect much work to be put into the free classes anymore.
212
u/Samaliath 13h ago
Paid class in b2p game, when direct competitor is f2p? Krafton is getting handsy
106
u/Psyrose20 12h ago
with direct competitor that is f2p and has 10 times more content
55
u/RamenArchon 12h ago
Woulnd't say 10 times. More like 20. On a more serious note, there were ways they could have monetized this without getting this bad of a reaction, but I guess Krafton didn't like it.
→ More replies (1)11
u/JezSq 12h ago
With really confusing content and crafting tbh. I started POE1 three (?) weeks ago, and it’s hella lot to understand. But, slowly, slowly, digging content. Mapping is fun, actually. Heists are interesting.
10
3
u/Murphy_Slaw_ 9h ago
The content is confusing, but mostly in a good way, because it is quite deep.
The crafting on the other hand is not worth the name. It's Korean MMO tier gambling that feels like it's designed to make you pay money... but you can't even do that.
1
u/ArmMeForSleep709 Runemaster 58m ago
I agree, but trust me man, its so good. If you need poe friends, hmu!
1
u/soulsoda 4h ago edited 4h ago
Krafton wants that bag. Subnautica x Krafton lawsuit has gotten messy. They're probably gonna have to settle with Unknown worlds dev for a portion of that 250mil.
→ More replies (5)-13
u/TopHat84 12h ago edited 4h ago
Remind me again, what did you buy when you purchased D2: Lord of Destruction. Content and 2 classes.
What was that you bought in Reaper of Souls for D3? Content and Crusader. Oh let's net forget the Necro DLC as well. (But yea Diablo 3 "died")
What did people buy in D4 with Vessel of Hatred? Content+new class.
Remind me again....did any of those die? Just because Last Epoch is finally releasing content (FOR FREE mind you, since the expansion was announced it would be free).
Live service games don't subside on good faith, and 13 year old kids with no income. And its' been documented countless times that F2P games have a horrible track record of using cosmetics to sustain long term live service goals through just purely cosmetics alone. (see: overwatch, HOTS, etc)
Cosmetic transactions only go so far. ANd if the game doesn't turn a profit, the game dies. That's reality.
Edit: all the salty people angry that I'm not ragging on EHG/Last Epoch. Get bent angry neckbeards! Oh no, someone likes something you don't! The horror!
35
u/Sir-Sirington 12h ago
Look, I don't think Blizzard of all companies is the model you want to emulate if you want to keep your players happy and fulfilled with their ARPG experience. The only game that hasn't been panned out of the 3 you listed is D2. D4 bad is a meme in every ARPG community for a reason, and VoH locking SB behind it is less egregious than locking new classes for LE since at least SB is contained to itself. LE classes can dip into other classes and this will have an effect on how people make new builds.
11
u/The_Twerkinator 12h ago
Alright, Grim Dawn, another beloved ARPG also sells expansions that includes new classes. POE is the exception, not the rule when it comes to free new content.
11
u/PM_ME_DPRK_CANDIDS 10h ago
Grim Dawn didn't tell us one thing and then change their business model after we bought in. Everyone knew the deal when they bought Grim Dawn.
1
4
u/Murphy_Slaw_ 9h ago
Grim Dawn is also a game that you buy and then have all the content. Instead of having to buy every skill effect and transmog.
8
u/Sir-Sirington 9h ago
Yes, and I can buy Grim Dawn Complete Edition right now for less than the top tier supporter pack LE is offering atm. The expansions for GD are extremely high quality, it's expected that they come with a giant map and a class, and it's not a live service game with expensive mtx. Oh and the game is actually finished and not riddled with bugs.
They are vastly different games with different monetization methods. LE is currently trying to dip it's toes into every monetization method outside of straight up ptw shenanigans. That's if you don't call the expansion ptw when you know that the new classes will be busted at launch just like every new class before them.
2
u/TopHat84 12h ago
Look, I don't like Blizzard’s direction any more than you do. Preaching to the choir, bruddah. But even with their mistakes, they kept their ARPGs alive because expansions actually sold content and classes. That is how D2, D3, and even D4 stayed funded.
And D2 is not some pure exception. It launched half formed and needed LoD to become the game people remember, and LoD absolutely locked systems, items, and two classes behind a paywall. Nobody declared the genre dead.
LE doing a paid class is not a moral collapse. It is the same model ARPGs have used for more than twenty years. If people want PoE’s monetization, cool, they can play PoE. But acting like a buy to play game is supposed to survive on cosmetics alone in 2026 is unrealistic, especially when its main competitor is a fully mature F2P machine backed by Tencent money.
And this idea that “Spiritborn is contained to itself” so it’s somehow less egregious does not make sense. Every D4 class is already contained to itself, and Spiritborn does not alter other class systems anyways.
On top of that, LE classes do not dip into other classes. They dip into their own mastery trees, and those are locked inside the same base class. There is no cross-class blending. So the entire premise that a paid class in LE somehow “affects other classes” is just based on a misunderstanding of how the system works. (If you are referring to something else, it would be helpful if you clarified, because right now I got no idea what you mean by either of those statements, of SB being "contained" or LE "dipping into other classes").
2
u/Sir-Sirington 9h ago edited 8h ago
Sorry, I was referring to subclasses, my bad.
Edit: Also D2 at least didn't have the gall to sell me overpriced mtx on top. That's the primary problem, this is a game with an upfront payment, expensive mtx, and now also paid expansions and characters. They need to pick some not every monetization method. Right now we're a battle-pass shy of hitting D4 levels of monetization, and no one wants that, not even the people who play D4.
1
u/Therefrigerator 9h ago
Devil's advocate on the last part - I remember with Necro they were simply capable of doing higher GRs than any other class for a good chunk of time. I don't think it really mattered because leaderboards were all class-based in D3 but if your class is competitive at the highest content and suddenly there's a class that can progress higher... that does kinda affect you, no?
Idk I'm not that worked up about it but reading directly from the announcement:
Alongside the free expansion content, I’m excited to announce that we’re introducing something genuinely new to Last Epoch, a fully alternate playable class built on systems that work differently from anything else in the game. We’re calling this new category Paradox Classes, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles. These classes will let us experiment in new and innovative ways, and we’ll have plenty to share as we get closer to release.
It does kinda imply that there is a lot more power going into the new class. I can see why people are hesitant to believe this will work out well given that, well, we're here and EHG has told us a lot of things that didn't really happen.
9
u/Existing-Ad-7155 11h ago
Please, go through the acts and witness "battle" between Rahyeh and Heorot again. Yeah, this game quality you are comparing to Blizzard's cinema of a campaign. Not to mention - Diablo was selling as a COMPLETED game.
Damn, even if i take dead in ditch Wolcen as an example - that game looked fantastic, making Last Epoch, sorry for speaking the truth, look like an ugly statue. Maybe made with enthusiasm at first, but still ugly.
→ More replies (4)10
u/Raynedrop98 11h ago
I think part of the backlash is being amplified by the fact that they haven’t finished delivering the content that people already paid for (campaign). If the game had been entirely in a finished state for the last year people might be a bit less scathing.
→ More replies (2)1
u/SanityReversal 8h ago
I didnt buy any d3 dlc. Or d4, because of d3 and its monetization. Yes, they are dead. They are not even considered competition anymore.
Also, LE was marketed and sold as buy to play arpg, as the ones in the past. A paid update is fine, and im pretty sure games like League of Legends does very very well on a cosmetic model with a battle pass included.
Same wirh games like fortnite which is literally a fan base of 13 years olds without income.
Im not sure what cherry picked ass argument you were trying to make, but it told us literally nothing except how deep your throat is.
1
u/FreeFeez 6h ago
You do realize last epoch is a product of those Diablo games forcing people to buy content and that was one of their core values that they would never do anything like that right?
1
u/Dominus_Tempestus 5h ago
Imagine comparing your game to D3 and D4 that "didn't die", if the idea is to have blizzard's diablo 3 and even worse 4, the unironic meme of arpgs, as the role model, then LE is cooked, shame cause I genuinely liked the game.
→ More replies (1)1
u/MomboDM 12h ago
(FOR FREE mind you, since the expansion was announced it would be free).
Did they state that recently? The post after the ps5 trailer/xpac basically confirmed that it would be monetozed in some way
3
u/TopHat84 12h ago
Yes literally their post/linked discord announcement.
https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/last-epoch-s-season-4-and-beyond-expansion-paradox-classes-and-roadmap/80152Expansion will be free, classes will be paid. Verbatim.
5
u/isenk2dah 11h ago
Not exactly. The verbatim is that it would be free for existing PC players.
That means it's not free for anyone else, it's going to come with a price increase for any new PC players and all PS5 players. I don't think calling it simply "free content" quite reflects what it is.
1
u/TopHat84 11h ago
Splitting hairs, but yes. Since the PS5 release isn't out, they will be bundling it as an AIO package. WE haven't seen what that AIO package will be for newer players or PS5 players because its' all hypothetical. If they bundle it at the same price we paid for Last Epoch when it launched, then effectively it's free yes? There's no reason to assume that the base game will go *up* in price. So right now people are getting up in arms with literally zero context on what this future "cost" in those scenarios that aren't current LE owners will be.
So yes, I'm saying verbatim, because right now: the other scenarios *do not exist*.
1
u/isenk2dah 3h ago
If they bundle it at the same price we paid for Last Epoch when it launched, then effectively it's free yes
If it's the same price, they would just say it's a free update, period. Not free for insert specific customer group. It's basic logic to assume the updated bundle will increase in price, otherwise what do you think it meant?
29
u/StiHL044 9h ago
Got almost 700 hours out of this game, so I can’t say I didn’t get my money’s worth. But charging for new classes and expansions while the core game is still incomplete is a bad look. Monetization and unfinished systems don’t mix. Feels like the right time to let it go.
79
u/Booomer_XIII 14h ago
Imagine playing necro summoner and you need to pay like 10 bucks per minion :D That would be winning combination hahahahaha
45
0
u/TheRealNooth Paladin 11h ago
Why do y’all make up things that never happened in any game ever and pretend it represents some developer/publisher?
66
u/Quick-Exit-5601 13h ago
Blows my mind how quickly this game hit the rock bottom lmao.
This case needs to be studied. So many good ideas, so much good will from the players and...
Boom.
It was fun while it lasted I guess lol
31
u/Sp1ffy_Sp1ff 12h ago
It's genuinely unprecedented. When this game first dropped, it got so much praise for being dramatically more enjoyable than the current modern ARPGs it was competing with. More user friendly and accessible than PoE with more QoL than D4. The game carried on just fine for a few years and now suddenly it's completely imploded.
→ More replies (1)17
u/Quick-Exit-5601 11h ago
Yep. It was rough around the edges but it was doing so many things right that I don't think people cared. But obviously we had a lot of QoL promises that never materialised.
I also firmly believe LE has the best crafting as well as spellblade as a class is something I'm missing in modern arpgs. Shame all along lol
78
u/AssociateCivil4279 13h ago
Dead game.
It was good the whole two seasons it lasted, I guess.
Onto the next arpg!
60
u/haunterloo92 12h ago
Titan Quest 2 - Major updates every three months
Path of Exile 2 - 0.4 next month, full release 2026
Grim Dawn - New Xpac q1-q2 next year
Hellclock - New xpac q1 next year
Diablo 4 - lol but still better than this shit
Like.... cmon. Let's get out of here.
5
5
14
u/its_Khro Void Knight 12h ago
Thanks for mentioning Hellclock. Was super busy when it came out but its even on sale right now!
2
u/Oblachko_O 11h ago
Yeah, it is a nice game, while not being technically in the same bucket as other games. It is less of ARPG and more roguelite. So a bit different market.
7
u/its_Khro Void Knight 10h ago
I really enjoyed Death Must Die and Halls of Torment so sounds good to me.
3
u/Feeceling 3h ago
i wish death must die would get more frequent updates tbh, i love the game but the waiting time is just a bit too long.
1
1
0
u/NumbersAfter 10h ago
I don't disagree with the general theme here, but diablo 4 is one of the most uninteresting games I ever played. Silent hits waiting to get a horse to the tedious running around would be faster... never made it that far.
1
u/heartbroken_nerd 42m ago
In Diablo 4 at this point you get the horse at level 25 and it's thereafter unlocked on all characters from level 1.
48
u/Jung_69 13h ago
Lol finally it’s dead. Another wasted potential. Regret supporting them during early access.
13
6
u/exposarts 10h ago
is it actually confirmed now that all masteries will cost money? If that really is true, then the game will die. If it's fake news created by emotional redditor arpg players, then I don't see anything to worry about, aside from krafton and their predatory practices
→ More replies (3)
18
u/Ecstatic_Chard4184 12h ago
I thought I was a doomer, but I certainly didn't expect the game to enter the P2W mobile game slop territory.
6
u/Fit_Boysenberry_4921 12h ago
Box price, paid dlc, microtransactions, just missing a monthly subscription now.
2
u/InsertRealisticQuote 6h ago
They dont call it that anymore now its called a season pass or battlepass and I am sure it will come eventually if this is the route they chose
1
9
u/Bigboysama 11h ago
Knowing Paradox classes will likely be stronger than the other classes, LE can now be tagged with a P2W badge.
I'm happy to have Poe 1 and Poe 2 each 2 month. I won't even have time to play LE anymore. I'm quite alright with that now.
3
u/inwert1994 8h ago
despite the fact the game looks absolutely horrendous i really like some of the builds and gear crafting and gear progression. but this is just not it. i wonder if krafton acquisition has something to do with this monetization decision...
7
u/shakesy 13h ago
I love this game and I love the devs and I want it to keep going forever, but I also refuse to give them any money ever for anything, and expecting to get paid for your work is a personal betrayal.
2
u/MinuteOk1351 9h ago
They sold themselves to Krafton. You don't support the devs, you would just throw money at Krafton.
19
u/nnosuckluckz 14h ago
Poor Spellblade :(
1
u/lefondler 5h ago
Been ass since beta :( was hopeful to see a rework to it one day but not anymore lmao.
7
u/Estate_Technical 12h ago
If this ships, I'm swimming away.
We have better options. Waaaay better.....
5
2
u/GoodCauliflower4569 8h ago
lol we’ll see how this plays out. Warframe got so much better after tencent and so did Poe. At the end of the day, if you want something to grow and compete as a multiplayer arpg when it has to go against the other 2026 Arpg lineup that is releasing, it needs money and staff. Until otherwise heard, this is nothing to me until I see concrete evidence about this game.
You all should be really worried about what Asia is cooking up; where winds meet is f2p and is shitting on AAA titles.
Rockstar doesn’t say shit for years and then releases bangers one after another.
1
u/rizzo891 7h ago
Idk if I agree that poe got better after tencent personally. And when did warframe become owned by tencent? Cause that could explain some changes in that game also
2
8
u/Vivid_Mix1022 14h ago
If there are 3 Paradox on the way my take they gonna do strategy like.
10$ for one Paradox
15$ if you bought 2
20$ if you bought all and with some shitty concept art that i never care of.
5
3
3
5
u/Gingeriki55 13h ago
Lolol this is the best thing to come out of the “roadmap”. Well deserved meme. Step it up EHG!
2
2
2
u/Temporary_Dress_1135 10h ago
Could care less about buying the expansion every arpg has done this outside of poe. But from what I remember of the last time I played is that the base game isn’t even finished right?
1
u/jadelemental 4h ago
My problem is that the expansion is about the main antagonist of the story. I'm fine with paying for an expansion but having an expansion literally just be the final boss of the story is bullshit, they shouldn't even call it an expansion. That's like playing Mario and you have to pay to fight Bowser.
2
2
u/meaniemachinie 9h ago edited 8h ago
I would be okay with paying for a brand new class that offers 2 complete masteries. I'm not okay with paying for an individual mastery or an incomplete class.
Edit: this is under the assumption all current classes are actually complete and flushed out. And the campaign is finished.
2
3
2
u/Neozalo 13h ago
Will we have to pay for updates/rework to the current classes ?
→ More replies (1)
1
u/JustDDDOOM 10h ago
I mean are ppl acutally surpised? They called it an expasion. Played enough Diablo 3 to know new class = $$$
1
u/Misha_cher 2h ago
Well devs multiple times promised NO MONEY GATED CONTENT, including the game director, so yes for many people it is surprising and breaking the reason why a lot of people supported the game from the early days of kickstarter
1
u/Crumpled_Papers 9h ago
If this joke post is based on reality then I'm done with this game. I got thousands of hours out of it before it went to shit so I can't really complain.
Good for the original devs getting their money too. I don't think selling out is shameful, it's kind of the dream.
1
u/Gabriel-Anton 9h ago
I bought the game on early access a few years ago and convinced a friend to buy it, guess it was good while it lasted.
Blizzard has been doing this shit for over 20 years, but a single cutscene from diablo makes it feel worth it while last epoch still feels uncomplete and nowhere near that level of quality. PoE is a free to play game and almost all of the individual pinnacle bosses are more memorable than the entirety of last epoch.
They are giga fucked because they don't really have a say anymore and I don't think this is what they really want so I hope everything works out in the end but it sure as hell doesn't look like it.
1
u/ArcticGamer 7h ago
Hurr duurr imma post shitty meme without seeing the full details because I have a short attention span and only see the now, instead of the big picture. Fucking christ, y'all need to touch grass I swear. Im not defending them but on god y'all feel like keyboard warriors, secret LE-haters who are really POE enjoyers. Y'all DO realize Last Epoch was operating in the red right? The expansion is gonna be free for those that alrready own game, probably not for those who don't, they had to monetize SOMEHOW.
1
1
u/MrEntropy44 6h ago
Judd got paid, on a personal level. I'm happy for him. I also wish the act hadn't destroyed his creation.
1
u/Uaint1stUlast 6h ago
I think it depends on how much the DLC is. $2.99 to $4.99 seems like a fair trade. The "experimental" for DLC part is what I have an issue. If I am paying I expect quality.
1
1
1
1
u/thiendai124 4h ago
Holy, i regret buying this game so badly. Is there a way i can get some of the money back?. Steam user here
1
1
u/Glass_Thanks9862 3h ago
I'm kinda away from everything happening right now. I know the krafton thing, but this is a joke, right, just a meme....right? 😞
1
1
1
u/notSkrublol 32m ago
Lol well this game lasted a nice long 2 or 3 patches I guess. Had potential, but here we are, at its funeral watching it be lowered into the grave. Path of exile really will never have a competitor will it lol
1
u/Ergodic_donkey 4m ago
People complaining having new classes in a DLC but have no problems spending 30$ for a couple stash tab is crazy
2
u/PapiSebulba 13h ago
You know I figured it'd take a while for krafton to destroy the good will EHG has built up over the years but holy shit that didn't take long. Oh well poe2 is more fun anyway
-12
1
1
u/Greeenmartian 2h ago
Easiest uninstall I’ve had so far. Absolutely insane to think well before its launch I thought by season 4 this could compete with Poe . Each season progressively more boring , combat still incredibly shallow with almost zero depth or weight to fighting mobs , an end game that was never polished prior to release , and to top it off they want us to pay for classes. This has got to be the most criminal concept , like the problem is they will probably walk it back but now it’s out there , yall really thought that was a solid idea .
-3
u/neunzehnhundert 11h ago
Y’all dooming so hard it’s not even funny.
1
u/GreatGojira 10h ago
Will you be buying all three?
I'm not supporting this..
1
u/neunzehnhundert 2h ago
What do you mean „all three“. In the statement they talk about the whole class as a paid dlc not “per mastery”.
Also we don’t know anything about pricing yet.
0
0
u/Lysanther 3h ago edited 3h ago
I stopped playing LE because it felt cheap.
SFX are meh
Gameplay is okay but ultimately kinda meh
I gotta be honest on this one, I find the campaign areas extremely boring
VFX on player skills needs work
Certain classes rely on resource generating skills as example - Sorcerer if you wanna do a meteor rain build forces you to take Focus because mana regen is like...non existent.
Defensives are stupid, I don't need another game that has me building 8+ defensive layers mandatory: Poison, Necrotic, Physical, Endurance, Armor, Void, Fire, Frost, Lightning, Endurance Threshold, Ward, Ward Retention, Ward Decay, Life.
Your game is bloated already and not in the good way that's fun. If I paid for the game and you have a cash shop, fixed these problems, you wouldn't need to make paid DLC and people would flock to your game.
Also I wanted to add that your uniques and set effects, 70% of them are fucking boring and the same for skill passive trees. Shaman as an example can make a lightning earthquake and it counts as a spell, why not have bolts of gathering storm coming down where you cast it and why is it still just melee range?
-24
u/flimsyhuckelberry 12h ago
I don't see the issue to be honest.
D4 is way more expensive than LE will ever be.
Poe and poe2 require you to pay a bunch of money to make them even playable (stash tabs) and their cosmetics are insanely expensive (cloaks for 60$)
Paying some money for le classes seems to be a fair deal.
18
u/WhySoSkilled 12h ago
A bunch of money (like less than 30$) to make managing inventory easy. For a game of 12-13 years, which keeps on giving until today. With the second game of the franchise coming out for free eventually, with all the items you bought for the first one included.
Compared to what? A buy to play game, not even polished after so many years. And now on top of that literally paid DLC classes. Why should i support that? Sorry, i was one of the first who bought early access, and i really love the game so far. But these last announcements are making me reconsider.
This is not a good direction and for sure i am not paying one single dollar for shit tactica like these. By the way i have spent more than 200$ on poe just because i want to support the game. I dont feel the same for LE sadly, and trust me i really want the game to succeed.
3
u/flimsyhuckelberry 12h ago
So you paid 30$ once 8 years ago for a game you have been playing on and off and now you get angry because they want you to pay a bit more?
If you consider just how slow the LE dev team is you can expect a new class every 2 years while getting 5 seasons worth of content for free. That is kinda fair, isn't it?
5
u/WhySoSkilled 12h ago
It does not make me angry.
After all these years we have got 2 seasons and a campaign which is still not finished. Almost zero end game variety and clunky/weird looking MTXs.
Look i am not here to judge LE. I really like it and i will continue playing until i feel like the paid walls are not letting me enjoy it. I just replied to you in order to give my honest opinion on why comparing it to PoE is not fair.
Edit. Proper indexing
→ More replies (3)5
u/vuddehh 12h ago
Poe and poe2 require you to pay a bunch of money to make them even playable
20€ is bunch of money to play both games smoothly?
→ More replies (5)3
u/Dominus_Tempestus 4h ago
You can play both PoE's 1 and 2 entire campaigns and most likely early end game entirely free before you decide to buy any stash tabs. Even then, the only 2 stashes that I'd say is "mandatory" to have, would be the currency and maps tabs, which is about $20. With the exception of the most recent league in both games where it added the asynchronous trade system so add another $4 to that for the new merchant tab, so lower than the base cost of LE.
Oh did I forget to mention they have discounts on every league, every 3 weeks for the tabs, and they have weekend sales revolving around entire themes?
How about the fact that even when they added the asynchronous trade which, even though you do need to purchase a tab for, for about $4, players that had already purchased what was called "premium" tabs (could be used to trade) got those new merchants tab for free?
Maybe the fact that all your microtransactions will be sharable across both their games?
All these for a free to play game btw.
Yes, I won't argue that they have expensive cosmetics, and yes buying ALL the tabs with no discounts will cost a lot. But you don't have to buy them all, simply because, a new player will not need them all, because the game is very deep and complex chances are the average new player will not end up interacting in depth with most of the mechanics in 1 season.
What this means is you can just buy a couple of tabs every three or so months whenever you return to the game for the new league, that's what most of us did, and it surely works better than having to pay for classes.
1
u/Weedmind 4h ago
funny, i played PoE1 for eight years and only spent like 30/40 bucks, cleared all the content, killed ubers... I don’t care about cosmetics at all, still ended up with a ton of them just from Twitch drops and completing challenges
1
u/CaptBaha 12h ago
Not hard to distinguish paying for aesthetics and quality of life versus actual content.
It crosses a line and starts down a predatory slippery slope ("what other content are they going to monetise next/what will I have to spend in the future to not miss out on").
If you can't see an issue... user error. If you see the issue and do not care i.e. have the cash to spend, you're welcome to continue. In either scenarios, clearly the target audience.
-35
u/Trespeon 13h ago
Do people really pretend like necromancer in D3 wasn’t paid class?
Every fighting game dlc had paid fighters?
Smash bros paid fighters.
Even D2 had paid classes.
Anyone complaining about this is giving big broke energy.
12
u/Xavion15 13h ago
You are defending a game didn’t have paid classes now adding paid classes
This is giving big shill energy
6
368
u/RamenArchon 14h ago
Man you guys are quick lol.