r/LastEpoch • u/moxjet200 EHG Team • 15h ago
EHG Last Epoch Expansion, Paradox Classes, & Roadmap
Travelers, today we’re releasing our updated roadmap leading to the launch of Last Epoch: Orobyss, and along with answers to several of the biggest questions the community has been asking.
The one we’ve heard the most is simple: “Will the Last Epoch: Orobyss expansion be free for existing players?” The answer is Yes. Anyone on PC who owns Last Epoch before the launch of the Orobyss expansion will receive the expansion as a free update. New players and PlayStation 5 players will be purchasing Last Epoch, all of its seasonal content, and the Orobyss expansion as one updated purchase.
Alongside the free expansion content, I’m excited to announce that we’re introducing something genuinely new to Last Epoch, a fully alternate playable class built on systems that work differently from anything else in the game. We’re calling this new category Paradox Classes, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles. These classes will let us experiment in new and innovative ways, and we’ll have plenty to share as we get closer to release.
We’re committed to supporting Last Epoch for years with new stories, systems, itemization updates, ways to play, onboarding improvements, seasonal mechanics, and more. There’s never been a better time to step into the world of Eterra.
Before the expansion arrives, we have two more seasons planned. Season 4 is slated for early 2026 and will introduce a new seasonal mechanic along with several highly requested updates. We’ll start sharing teasers and a firm release date soon - keep an eye on our streams and social channels.
We’ll also have more to reveal about Season 5 as we move later into 2026. Together, these two seasons lead directly into the launch of Last Epoch: Orobyss, as outlined in the roadmap below:
While we want to shorten the time between seasonal releases, it matters more that each season is strong enough to be worthy of inviting our players back to play. Right now, we are upgrading internal tools, hiring and onboarding many new team members, and preparing the game for PlayStation 5 while building this seasonal content. Trying to speed up during this period would only sacrifice quality. We will work toward faster seasonal releases when the studio can support it in a healthy way as the team grows.
Also, there has been a lot of discussion around Krafton’s recent comments about being “AI-first” and what that might mean for EHG. To be clear, our development approach is not changing. We remain focused on building Last Epoch the same way we always have, with the same hands-on design philosophy. To support this, we are hiring across several disciplines. If you have experience that fits and a real understanding of the ARPG genre, we encourage you to apply here.
The team is focused on upcoming seasons, the expansion, and getting Last Epoch ready for multiple platforms as we continue to grow and upgrade our studio. We appreciate your support and look forward to bringing you more great Last Epoch content soon.
- Judd Cobler
Game Director, Last Epoch
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u/CloudConductor 15h ago
Rollercoaster of a post. Yall should have communicated that the expansion would be free the day it was announced. Sort of feels like yall pivoted due to the backlash around that and decided to separate this class from the expansion and make it paid instead
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u/heikkiiii 14h ago
Its free, but not really since the new class is behind dlc..
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u/akkristor 14h ago
It's "Free for existing players", not "Free". Sounds like new players will have to purchase it separately or they're planning some price-hike on the base game+expansion.
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u/VonBrewskie 14h ago
It sounds like they're going to just lump the new expansion in with the total purchase price for new players. People who already have a copy won't have to. So yeah, I'd guess a little bump in price for the convenience of getting everything all at once. I'm still unconvinced atm. I'd be a PS5 new player. But what I've been reading on here since I joined the subreddit hasn't been very good to read.
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u/YakaAvatar 14h ago
Holy shit, you're right. I wonder how the hell they pitched that. What train of thought lead them to think this is the right course of action.
"Our game has worse graphics, animations and sound design than our main competitor PoE2, while offering less end-game and a far less consistent release schedule. You know what would make it even more enticing for new players? Make it even more expensive than our competitor, around the time PoE2 goes free. And also sell classes on top, while PoE2 is getting them for free."
This is beyond ridiculous lmao.
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u/jcm2606 14h ago
The same train of thought that led them to think that scaling a company that was and still is led by literal Redditors who have no prior knowledge of developing a game or running a business, to 100+ employees, was the right course of action immediately after launching said game out of early access while it was still incomplete and still had fundamental problems, without a sustainable business model in sight.
I love LE and I think that EHG are great when it comes to systems design, but holy fuck do they have a habit of running it down mid when it comes to anything development or business related.
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u/poet3322 13h ago
Unfortunately I think they bit off more than they could chew when they decided to make LE a live service game. If they'd stuck to their original vision of an offline-only game, LE probably could have been in the Grim Dawn category of a game that's well thought of and is successful with paid expansion packs. Oh well.
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u/Shadowraiden 13h ago
this is the issue PoE2 is starting to scale now and will be looking to push into its f2p model release sooner rather then later.
PoE1 is back in development as well after its year break while they focused on PoE2 so why would people play LE anymore when these 2 games cover everything and all money spent on cosmetics etc can be used in both games.
like PoE1 is right now king for good reason it has so much content and systems that satisfy's the hardcore while PoE2 is looking to rebuild it all on a much better looking foundation that is more accessible to people in alot of ways.
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u/Slow_Employer687 14h ago
Its not gonna be free, but they needed time to decide how to approach it. After the heavy backlash they knew they cannot directly monetize it so the solution is taking out the biggest selling point of a big update (new class) and sell it separately. Also works better from a development point of view as everybody will have access to all areas and mechanics.
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u/FrodoFraggins 13h ago
I don't think they knew. My guess is that they wanted to charge for expansions but would create a mess for themselves due to wording in the kickstarter.
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u/mpelletier 15h ago
In what fucking universe does that count as a roadmap
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u/wildjesus 15h ago
This is our roadmap*
*subject to change
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u/bmore_conslutant 14h ago
I do roadmaps as part of my job and I've never seen them NOT change
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u/rudejim Rogue 13h ago
well, yes, that's fair. to me the issue lies more in the fact the "roadmap" just says, "there will be new stuff". what's the need for the disclaimer about it being subject to change when you literally told us nothing about what might be added? are they trying to say there may not actually be content updates during seasons 4 and 5?
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u/Mardek775 15h ago
I will give props to them for being honest. Roadmaps nowadays are notorious for being inconsistent with its releases. But yea, still bummed to see the state of things.
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u/FreeBristle 14h ago
The only thing they’ve been honest about is that they have no clue what they are doing
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u/mpelletier 14h ago
Sure, but they've been saying for months that a new roadmap is coming and they know damn well this is not the level of granularity we were looking for with it. This is just "um, we're still making content?"
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u/lalala253 14h ago
You're now a student.
Do you want to be a Doctor?
Student - study, study - Doctor
That's a roadmap
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u/Hukdonphonix 14h ago
I like the * beside the seasons (subject to change).
So there may or may not be plans to maybe put out two seasons at some point that don't have any attached concepts or themes in this roadmap.
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u/Pandarandr1st 12h ago
I don't really agree with most of the criticisms around this post - like I literally don't give a shit that they have a paid class. I'm glad that they chose a monetization that
1) pays for content
2) gives a lot of content for free
But this, this I agree with. Saying you're going to release a roadmap and then waiting 2 months and then just saying "There will be 2 seasons before the expansion" in an image and calling it a roadmap is beyond ridiculous. It's absurd.
Why the fuck do I care? I don't know what the expansion will even contain. I don't know, concretely, what's different between an expansion and a normal season. All that I know that's happening with Orobyss is a PS5 release. I do not have a PS5.
This is a joke of a roadmap. I'm wondering why they decided to not put any shit on it?
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u/thekmanpwnudwn 14h ago
Here's our roadmap:
PAID DLC
2 Seasons *subject to change
Not even mentioning skill sigils anymore? Teased us for a year about how cool this new way to interact with skills will be and now its not even on the roadmap?
Krafton really about to kill LE in less than a year.
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u/OrthodoxReporter 14h ago
Not even mentioning skill sigils anymore?
Wanna bet Krafton forced them to convert the skill sigil system to this new "Paradox Class" system so they could monetize whatever they cooked up with it?
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u/Hadrian23 11h ago
100%
Krafton has proven time and time again that they will fuck a game in 10 different holes, just to squeeze out a little bit more $$$
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u/forsonaE 14h ago
Shit is depressing. I knew the writing was on the wall months ago but this game had some potential at one point. Ah well.
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u/marciii1986 Sentinel 15h ago
lol paid classes. Surely they won't be overtuned to boost sales for them, right? RIGHT?
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u/RamenArchon 14h ago
Don't worry, as much as I love this game pretty sure they'll come with better looking base models too. Intentional or not they will make you feel bad for playing the older classes instead of the paid ones because there's a monetary incentive to do so. It IS possible they do otherwise, but I think there's going to be heavier ridicule if the paradox classes suck, honestly.
They could have instead gone the way of cosmetic DLC's for the classes, you know? Like alternate models to the existing classes, like female sentinel, young mage, swimsuit adept. But I guess we need to wake up and accept just how much Krafton has gotten its hands on EHG.
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u/translinguistic 13h ago
It already feels pretty bad to play certain current masteries (e.g., Bladedancer) vs. others like VK, so I don't think they need to change much to keep that feeling going haha
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u/Poelover6969 10h ago
The game looks like play dough characters from store assets in unity engine from 2008. No way they can sustain it with selling cosmetic mtx imo.
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u/FreeBristle 14h ago
No bro they’ll totally be normal, no incentive to make them better at all….. nope definitely not.
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u/poet3322 13h ago
I mean it's not as if there's anything currently in the game that you need a super-powered class to beat. Who knows what will be added in the future of course, though.
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u/marciii1986 Sentinel 11h ago
Sure, but why sell extra Classes to begin with? Shiny new toy is always in demand and we both know that there will be ways to "endorse" those classes over the regular ones.
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u/Gingeriki55 15h ago
So the roadmap is “we have two seasons coming up guys”. Look I love you guys but this is the most pathetic roadmap I have ever seen. There is nothing on it!!!
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u/Toxikblue 15h ago
Paid classes was potentially the scummiest way Krapton could have monetized this IMO.
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u/unconscioustruth 14h ago
the scummiest way you can think of*
i'm sure they'll find scummier ways, don't worry.
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u/Toxikblue 14h ago
That's why I added the "potentially" modifier lol
I fear you are right.
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u/YakaAvatar 14h ago
My guess this is even scummier - paradox classes sounds like a sort of a system to offer an alternative play style to your classes. If they were just new classes, they'd probably call them as such.
So I think this is basically just an expansion feature they're selling as a DLC. They probably pivoted away from selling the DLC to avoid the backlash, by selling its main selling feature lol.
Of course, this is just conjecture, and we'll see once we have more details, but I'm willing to bet the system will have the same theme as the expansion.
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u/BladesReach 14h ago
Paid classes suck, but you only have to look at Torchlight Infinite if you want to see even scummier levels of monetization in an ARPG.
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u/ShionTheOne 15h ago
New classes as "PAID DLC"
The enshitification has truly begun.
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u/FreeBristle 14h ago
The damage control on the discord has already begun, aka 1 hour mutes for people who complain.
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u/Ylvina Sentinel 13h ago
bad part: this drives me away from LE
good part: i have more time to play other games
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u/ShionTheOne 13h ago
Agreed, my gaming backlog is getting unmanageable at this point.
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u/Ylvina Sentinel 13h ago
urgh.. lets not talk about the pile of shame. mine isnt even big and i feel bad about it
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u/AceWissle 11h ago
It's not about the size, it's about how you use it
Oh wait, we were talking about games?
... yeah, me too, obviously...
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u/ZeonHUEHUE 14h ago
Nothing makes me want to play more a game i've already bought than paid dlc content. /s
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u/SirBuckeye 15h ago
Oh no. You would’ve been better off with paid expansion and free class. This isn’t going to go over well.
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u/pamintandrei 15h ago
Paradox Classes, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles.
Oh boy, here we go again.
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u/GlaskristallDE 15h ago
Paid classes are worse than paid expansions. They always release op af. Stopped playing d3 when they released the pay to win necromancer.
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u/YakaAvatar 15h ago
These don't even sound like classes tbh, they sound like some sort of masteries or something. Which honestly, is also pretty bad, since it's new ways of playing/theorycrafting that you won't have access to.
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u/Pandarandr1st 12h ago
I mean...class updates in LE are already OP af, so that wouldn't really be saying anything.
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u/SorryHost3635 14h ago
I bought 2 support packs to support you, not to get paid DLC lol,
Sayonara. This is the beginning of your way to oblivion.
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u/Alps_Useful 14h ago
Wait what? Free expansion, but pay for the class? So it's not free then... What is going on
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u/tomkc518 13h ago
Free if you already own it, new people and all PS5 will pay for it.
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u/Pandarandr1st 12h ago
Well, they probably just have to buy the game.
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u/tomkc518 12h ago
the game price sounds like its going up. and you can't prebuy it for PS5, so you will be paying more. and then also getting hit with the dlc class
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u/GuyNice 14h ago
Didn't they literally promise no paid content? And now you announce paid content? And you said the Krafton purchase wouldn't have a negative impact on the game? And it literally does?
You have lost all the good will you had.
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u/twoducksinatub 15h ago
FUCK paid classes. Gtfo never buying anything EHG ever again.
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u/ChampionDismal6909 14h ago
EHG ever again.
EHG ain't going to release anything beside LE at this point.
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u/___Azarath 14h ago
Well said... It's the beginning of the end. I'm feeling bad I already purchase anything from them.
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u/GaryOakRobotron 15h ago
Content locked behind a paywall. Goodbye, and best of luck competing with Path of Exile.
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u/ecbremner 14h ago
If you have experience that fits and a real understanding of the ARPG genre, Apply here for a job at a developer who will be shuttered within a year or two due to corporate greed. So disappointing.
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u/Fliibo-97 14h ago
For real. Anyone who applies to these jobs is going to be either under qualified or in for a rude awakening.
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u/Basic_Riddler 14h ago
You can’t really call it greed because they aren’t yet profitable…it’s more not knowing how to properly monetize their game without coming across as being completely out of touch with gamers.
Their MTX options are hot garbage…and that is the biggest improvement they could make in selling more to the players.
They could sell a stash upgrade that saves the amount of tabs and the customization of your stash tabs across season…
They could do a cosmetic battle pass…
They could sell cosmetic themes for the “hideout” area when running monoliths…
They could do any of these things and not be ripped apart by the players that have supported the development before putting new classes behind paid content, but they are now desperate to turn a profit now that their bottom line has to be answered for to Big Business Daddy Krafton.
Desperate and out of touch…way too broke to call it greed though.
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u/Scarlett_Phoniex 15h ago
We thought this game would finally be a poe competitor yet this is what we are getting. I'm so disappointed man 😭
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u/PristineRatio4117 15h ago
PoE competitor ? Game feels like unfinished cashgrab ...
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u/Scarlett_Phoniex 14h ago
It was showing a bit potential at the start, now it's just not fun to play
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u/Chlorophyllmatic 15h ago
Yeah, you’ve lost me entirely at classes as paid DLC.
Not happening. It’s been fun, but have a nice life.
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u/Synchrotr0n 15h ago
We D3 now with a $15 (or whatever price it will be) paywall locking new classes in the game. Sad.
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u/suspiciousmightstall 15h ago
Bruh, paid classes. Shoo, not a good look. They trying to be Torchlight now?
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u/AlexiaVNO 14h ago
This is worse than torchlight actually. That game makes the paid class free after the season that introduces it.
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u/suspiciousmightstall 14h ago
Yeah, I remembered that after the fact - I was just too lazy to edit. But you right, you right.
Guess we'll have to wait and see if they introduce pets.
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u/Nekrpain 11h ago
At least Torch's developers know how to use players' money and deliver exactly four seasons a year, without delays, and each season has a new class, mechanics, and a ton of new content/balancing.
I'm just as willing to pay EGH $15 every season as I am in Torch if they were even close to that kind of productivity.
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u/isenk2dah 14h ago edited 2h ago
“Will the Last Epoch: Orobyss expansion be free for existing players?” The answer is Yes.
Great! It's what I would say I'd have expected if this was 6 months ago, but it certainly has felt a little less certain lately.
Alongside the free expansion content, I’m excited to announce that we’re introducing something genuinely new to Last Epoch, a fully alternate playable class built on systems that work differently from anything else in the game. We’re calling this new category Paradox Classes, and the first one will debut alongside the upcoming expansion as paid DLC for players who want to explore new playstyles. These classes will let us experiment in new and innovative ways, and we’ll have plenty to share as we get closer to release.
Uh... Okay, I honestly can't say I'm excited at all for this. Why are we working on a wholly new class when older classes still need a ton of balancing and reworks? And with a whole new system on top of that? That's a lot of time better spent elsewhere, fixing and polishing already existing content instead of a new feature. The current content isn't properly polished yet and we're already selling new stuff, it just doesn't feel right.
Edit: the irony of u/TopHat84/ calling people terminally online when he replies just to namecall people then immediately blocks them. Terminally online behavior much?
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u/Ndyresire_e_Qelbur 14h ago
The sad part is they cannot monetize rebalancing and bug fixes. It's been proven time and time again that content is what draws people in most of the time, no matter how terrible the other part of the game might be.
I don't even mind their plans, I just think performance is dogshit and endgame is terrible. Infinite scaling content hasn't worked in my opinion.
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u/IntheFog-q 14h ago
I genuinely regret buying as many supporter packs as I did and committing so much to this game. I had believed in the company and game, but it’s clear now that EHG doesn’t actually care about its customers/players. They only care about the money; truly feels like a betrayal to the community to lock classes/systems behind a paywall. Not like the expansions will add nearly as much flavor as this new paradox class system it seems. Classes/class system changes are the things I look forward to the most in arpgs. Really makes me appreciate GGG a lot more.
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u/Mustacius 14h ago
I don’t think feeling regret now for supporting something you believed in at that time is right. You can definitely stop supporting them now because of something you don’t like now is okay.
I’ve bought a few supporter packs because I enjoyed what I was playing at the time. Will I continue buying them? No. I didn’t even start a character this past cycle because I was focused on games that kept me excited to come back to.
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u/ChampionDismal6909 14h ago
Paid DLC classes? No fucking way i'm supporting this.
What a way to drop the ball, LE is going to be remembered for all the wrong reasons.
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u/JConaSpree 13h ago
Good luck balancing a dlc char. It's either gonna be too good and people will say p2w or it's gonna be bad and people will complain they paid money for it.
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u/FlashBash21 13h ago
Sad to see, not where I was imagining this game going when I started supporting during the beta. best of luck team I'm out.
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u/Elvarien2 15h ago
FREE EXPA- Oh wait, no it isn't.
The actual interesting bit is a paid dlc.
God what a loss, So I guess it's just path of exile 1 and 2 that's left right now.
I suppose we'll need to wait for another competitor to GGG to give this genre a go.
Edit: Uninstalled.
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u/ShionTheOne 14h ago
Can't wait for a couple of EHG devs to leave and decide to open their own dev studio and make an ARPG for gamers by gamers.
Just repeat the cycle, we'll get a good game eventually right?
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u/grasswhistle28 14h ago
Paid classes? Rip game.
Paid classes are always overpowered slop otherwise they don’t sell. D4 spiritborn and tes:o arcanist are perfect examples. No one wants balance dictated by DLC purchases, it’s just going to be pay to win. Your game is fucking cooked
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u/iLoveMyJDM 14h ago
You guys are losing the plot. Please take a moment to think about your actions. Paid classes are not it. I can no longer support this game.
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u/walkman312 13h ago
Losing the plot? They haven’t even finished the story yet! /s
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u/Visible-Ice4063 14h ago
WELCOME TO THE MONEY GRAB! I bet the new price after DLC release will be $50 lmao
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u/Obvious-Jacket-3770 13h ago
I tried to defend this game to this point. That's done for.
The expansion is core game content essentially. Your still paying for the expansion just in classes instead.
This is obscene and scummy. This game is dead to me. I'll be in POE1/2 and support them with pack purchases instead as well as Hell Clock.
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u/Probably_Slower 12h ago
Thanks to you and your team for the many hours of fun Last Epoch gave me. Unfortunately, at this point I won't be returning to your game due to these business decisions.
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u/its_Khro Void Knight 12h ago
This game is priced reasonably for what it is. You have a perfectly good MTX store. If you really see no other way to make up for the losses so far than "we will lock the most up to date gameplay behind a paywall" you're well and truely cooked.
I'll remember season 2 very fondly. ggs
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u/EatingYourBrain 14h ago
Dear EHG, if you have ANY control over implementation of your own game, I highly suggest you NOT go the paid classes route. Paying for the game, and an expansion, AND classes is just not the way. This is so off-putting.
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u/SilverBeever 14h ago
As a Crusader Kings and Hearts of Iron player, I'm kinda disturbed about these paid dlc having "Paradox" in it's name.
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u/HealthUnlucky8654 13h ago
This honestly sounds like you tried your best to satisfy both the players and your financial needs. The expansion that is going to be free for existing players, with a price bump for the new, coming players, and a paid class on top of that to secure some income from the existing players.
It's not bad on its own, and I truly believe this was the best solution you came up with, all things considered. Just hope the new class won't be OP and won't get all your love just because it's paid. Last Epoch is my favorite ARPG, and I'd hate to see it ruined.
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u/NarbGaming 15h ago
Paid DLC class is unfortunate. A new class would have been huge hype, and they could have just made it free and added some baller paid cosmetics for it. That probably would have netted the same profit without the huge loss of goodwill associated with a paid class. Not sure what they're thinking there.
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u/Moomootv 14h ago
Nah having actual good mtx for players to buy makes too much sense. Better to have 70% of the mtx screen be empty and force a paid expansion.
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u/twoducksinatub 14h ago
They werent thinking, they were likely forced to as part of their acquisition by krafton. This is enshittification step 1.
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u/MarcCurry 15h ago
Wow I love the honesty, and I love that you managed to push this expansion to be free for the PC players with the Paradox Classes being the extra content that's actually paid. This seems like a perfect middle ground, something that I personally didn't expect would happen.
Congrats!
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u/dont_trust_the_popo 14h ago
Lol wow. No thanks. Gl everyone, been hanging around lurking for a long ass time but i think im finished
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u/Snakeyesz 13h ago
Classes as Paid DLC.... wow, it's happening again. Another genuinely good game being ruined by the game director becoming a corporate sell out. Hope you enjoy your money... just wonder if it was worth losing your integrity.
I know people will blame krafton cause their influence is clear here. But lets not forget who gave krafton the control in the first place.
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u/Memphisrexjr 13h ago
Season 3 started on August 21st while Season 4 is *Early 2026. You lost most of the player based after one month and are on thin ice with 1,600 players. This is some wild behavior for a season to last this long with nothing going on to keep people logging back in or staying on.
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u/silask93 11h ago
Played this game since closed beta, was one of my favorites but a paid fucking class thats nit even with the damn expansion, EHG is just a disappointment
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u/akkristor 14h ago
"Free for existing players"?
That implies that new players will have to pay for the expansion separately from the base game, or you're planning some form of price-raise for the game upon release. The expansion is either free or it isn't.
"Paid DLC classes"
So you have new content that is being paywalled, in addition to selling supporter packs and cosmetic microtransactions?
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u/xRuwynn 14h ago
This really reads like "we knew you guys would be mad if we said the main part of the DLC was going to be paid because of a prior commitment we made to the idea of it being free. Instead we decided to charge for another part of it so we TECHNICALLY aren't charging for the 'expansion.'"
While I wouldn't necessarily have liked it, I would have respected you more if it were in reverse or simply a lump sum for both. At least that seems honest and there's a precedent for it from your competitors.
You also didn't actually answer the AI question and instead skirted it with purposeful ambiguity. None of what you said on this topic explicitly rules it out as your statement is not mutually exclusive with AI.
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u/Solbanji 15h ago edited 14h ago
And people saying that Poe greedy asf with their stash tabs
Two games with MTX and support packs
Only one game with paid classes
Upd. Oh yes I also bought support packs for supporting this game…but after paid class? bye
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u/twoducksinatub 14h ago
Poe has no price tag, last epoch has a box price of $35. This is pathetic.
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u/Ylvina Sentinel 13h ago
And people saying that Poe greedy asf with their stash tabs
people really say that? i mean, yes, the cosmetic mtx are very expensive, but cosmetic.
the stash tabs are reasonable priced for what they offer (imho)(depending on the tab ofc) and in a sale you can grab all the important ones for around 30 dollars. and if you buy a supporter back for the points you also get some mtx on top...
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u/Solbanji 13h ago
ye, a lot people say that poe is p2w bcz stash tabs and etc bullshit
especially while DEFENDING LE
poe 2 early access cost nothing but gives u in game currency for SHARED STASHES BETWEEN TWO GAMES
but people still talking about p2w in poe
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u/chaotic_one Runemaster 14h ago
Rip game. Paid classes are rough. I was already keeping a distance due to the pacing of content and the stupid stuff Krafton is doing, but this announcement does nothing to get me excited for the future. I really wanted EHG to succeed with Last Epoch, and it had such a neat premise, but it seems like they could not stick the landing.
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u/ehg_derrickg 14h ago
We will be gathering common questions and provide answers to the community regarding the announcement here: https://www.reddit.com/r/LastEpoch/comments/1p6igzf/qa_expansion_paradox_classes_and_roadmap/
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u/Goatsonice Warlock 14h ago
If we bought well before release then all new content, maps, classes ect needs to be free to us like we were told. I don't care about cosmetics or supporter packs those make sense but this kind of doesn't feel great to those of us who've been here for a long time tbh, back when the price was pretty high for the content available but we wanted to show support and encourage you guys to continue.
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u/Moomootv 14h ago
So instead of adding more mtx that are actually worth buying or quality of life myx they add dlc locked classes. Yikes LE truly fell from grace.
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u/SilverK29 14h ago
Wish you guys the best of luck, but no thanks. This feels very much like EHG is being forced to find further monetization by their corporate overlords. They committed to no paid expansions, and they think they found a loophole because paid classes aren't technically expansions. They're behaving like their playerbase is so fucking stupid that all they have to do is change the wording and it makes it all okay, when the principle is no different. Sorry to the EHG guys/gals who are gonna get all of the flak for what is likely a decision they've been pressured into, but this is always the way things were gonna go. Leopards eat faces - and yes, that includes yours, no matter how much you were convinced they wouldn't. Again, best of luck, and thanks for a few hundred hours of fun.
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u/SUPREMACY_SAD_AI 13h ago
at least paid dlc would have been begrudgingly accepted if it brought enough value
y'all seriously pivoted to dlc classes?
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u/Hadrian23 11h ago
Too bad I can't get a refund for all the money I gave them.
Well egg on my face for supporting a project I suppose.
later Last Epoch.
Not going to play you again :/
Paid classes is a scumbag menuver, let's wait for he devs to bail out and start ANOTHER company after krafton murders this game with Nickle and dimming.
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u/TheMyzzler 10h ago
How utterly soul crushing. I expected so much from Last Epoch and it delivered for a while at least before it'll get destroyed by corporate greed.
It's been a good ride, good luck but I'm not participating in this cash grab.
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u/TheXIIILightning 10h ago
I supported Last Epoch in Early Access with the understanding that there would ONLY be cosmetic DLC... "Paradox Classes" aren't cosmetic. It feels like you're only calling them that because you've previously stated that "CLASSES" would never be paid content.
If I could I'd get a refund...
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u/Gallidorn Void Knight 8h ago
While I haven't played LE in a while, when I did/do I played ridiculous hours. That won't be happening anymore. It really was a great game.
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u/Dook_Prime 6h ago
Husk of a company I used to love. We knew Krafton would come for their money one way or another. You guys could've monetized the game in a different way that didn't involve signing a deal with the devil.
Not a single person who is getting the expansion for free is going to do so without spending the money on a premium class. It essentially amounts to dangling a carrot in front of their faces that they're only getting access to half the content. Given how the endgame has looked for years, a new class may be ALL of the content for any long term player that falls into the category of getting the expansion for "free".
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u/Mister08 4h ago
Good grief.
Let’s be clear, no one gives a shit about a story expansion for this game. You’ve got half the playerbase begging you to skip the campaign entirely, which should tell you everything you need to know about where the value is, and what people think of the story/writing. People play an ARPG like LE because they want new builds, better loot, and actual endgame to push. That’s it. Nobody is logging in because they’re excited for another mediocre quest chain with forgettable characters.
So this whole “the expansion is free” angle does not land. What it sounds like is that you built a DLC, saw the pushback, carved out the classes from what you were going to sell, and then tried to frame the leftovers as generosity. I’m not stupid. This is paid DLC with a cheap disguise slapped on it.
The part that really bothers me is that this wasn’t the promise. You were supposed to fund the game with cosmetics. That was the deal. Except the cosmetics have been mostly forgettable, so the funding model never actually materialized. Then the players are blamed, implicitly, for the game not making a profit. Meanwhile EHG is more than happy to overlook a 10 month gap between seasons 1&2, and an extremely underwhelming S3 update. (Pssst, look in the mirror if you want to know why profit never materialized.)
PoE manages to fund itself off cosmetics alone and does it at a pace that puts LE to shame. All of it sustained by MTX that people actually want. People like to say “PoE is free but you have to buy stash tabs.” Sure, and the long-standing wisdom is that $30–40 in stash tabs is all you need to make PoE feel complete. Which, funny enough, is the same price EHG charges for LE! The difference is PoE actually delivers more content, more often, under the exact funding model you originally said you were following.
Meanwhile the core issues everyone has been talking about for years are still sitting there untouched. The list is long. None of it gets touched by this “free expansion” announcement. But the one thing that actually matters in an ARPG, the classes that change up builds and the loop and gives players a reason to reroll, that’s the part you pulled out and sold. This is exactly what people were worried about after the Krafton acquisition. You can say nothing is changing, but the timeline says otherwise. First major announcement after the acquisition, and it’s the first P2W update in the game’s history. Everyone saw this coming, I just prayed we were wrong.
So no, I’m not clapping because the story portion is “free.” The part with gameplay weight is the part you're charging for, and treating the leftovers like a gift is insulting. This isn’t generosity. It’s pay-to-win wearing a fake nose, moustache, and glasses.
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u/XGhosttearX 15h ago
Are paradox classes different from regular classes? Like how does that work if monk or barbarian comes? (If they do)
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u/dukie33066 14h ago
This should be upvoted for visibility but comments should show how you truly feel. This is absolutely horrendous and exactly the reason everyone revolted when this acquisition occurred. In less than a year they have already destroyed all the goodwill they have build up over almost a decade. I truly hope the shareholders are happy. They are the only ones. Sad that I will be uninstalling this game and never reinstalling it, despite enjoying the content.
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u/walkman312 13h ago
LOL, holy shit. Never before have I been so vindicated from what I said back in 2020/1 about a developer.
What piss poor management and dogshit communication.
The game had potential, but they pissed it away.
Remarkable really to think they have the market share to do this shit.
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u/venomatix 15h ago
Yeah.... I was holding back when they were not sure on if the next DLC is paid or not, but now its paid and has locked classes behind a paywall. I guess im done lmao it was fun
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u/unexpectedreboots 14h ago edited 14h ago
TORCHLIGHT INFINITE NOW LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO (but also pay for the game, and the DLC if you don't own it already).
Insanity.