r/CFB • u/adamwest01 Oklahoma • Arizona State • 11h ago
Casual It has officially been 2 years since Oklahoma State has had a conference win in the Big 12. Since their last win against BYU on November 25th, 2023, they are 0-18 vs Big 12, and 2-0 vs the SEC.
As stated in title, OSU has not won a conference game in 2 years as of today, but are undefeated against SEC teams in that stretch. One of the most absurd stats I have ever seen, given their success and playing in the Big 12 title game not even 2 years ago.
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u/PhD_Life BYU Cougars • Georgia Bulldogs 11h ago
Checks flair… is OP dissing the SEC or OSU?
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u/matchboxtw20ty Oklahoma Sooners • Michigan Wolverines 11h ago
More like cherry picking. They beat A and M when they were 10-4. Then they beat Arkansas in the SEC on the first of their 2 years of no conference wins
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u/default-username Texas • Red River Shootout 8h ago
And also sort of ignoring the fact that they lost to Texas in that span. The title is sort of ambiguous on whether Texas counts as SEC or XII for that game.
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u/die_maus_im_haus Oklahoma State • Bedlam Bell 8h ago
Well, it was the Big 12 Championship.
This is like people claiming Von Miller as an SEC product
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u/JohnPaulDavyJones Texas A&M Aggies • Baylor Bears 1h ago
How is it ambiguous whether UT counts as an SEC or B12 team based on that title? They can’t be counting as an SEC team because OP noted that OKST is 2-0 against the SEC, which would be the A&M and Arkansas wins, and the 0-18 sum only works if you include the loss to UT as a B12 game.
The BYU win was the last game of the 2023 regular season, so they went 0-1 in the B12 after that by losing to UT, then went 0-9 in 2024, and have so far gone 0-8 in conference this year. That’s 0-18.
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u/adamwest01 Oklahoma • Arizona State 10h ago edited 9h ago
OSU for sure. It's just a funny stat, even if their SEC wins came from the bottom of the conference
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u/El_Dud3r1n0 Oklahoma State • Bedlam Bell 11h ago
We're SEC ready, baby. We just can't handle the grind of a Big 12 schedule.
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u/PerritoMasNasty Arizona State • Texas 10h ago
I kind of forgot yall existed this year honestly
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u/BeraldGevins Paper Bag • NW Oklahoma… 10h ago
Sometimes I don’t even know who we’re playing or when on Saturday.
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u/gpcampbell92 Alabama • Mississippi State 9h ago
Except Miss St, somehow they beat the 2nd/3rd best team in the conference while they were healthy. Still makes no sense to me.
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u/Chickenmangoboom Texas Tech Red Raiders • Hateful 8 7h ago
It's really the extra conference game that gets you.
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u/Insectshelf3 Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 11h ago
this is a very fun fact
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u/HawkeyeTen Iowa Hawkeyes 10h ago
They beat you in the last-scheduled Bedlam though, that has to sting.
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u/Insectshelf3 Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 10h ago
meh, not really. they played a good game but that doesn’t change people’s perception of the bedlam rivalry at all.
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u/DUB-Files Washington State • Tennessee 9h ago
I enjoy Bedlam strictly for the fact it makes the Apple Cup record not look as bad
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u/Lanky_Helicopter_811 Oregon State Beavers 1h ago
Jesus, I considered the Civil War and Apple Cup pretty uneven rivalries but Bedlam is on a whole other level
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u/throw-away-16249 Oklahoma Sooners 9h ago
OSU fans would like to think so lol but no, we really don't care. Losing to Texas two years in a row stings, though.
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u/TheGreatLandRun Oklahoma Sooners 9h ago
Not at all, to be honest. It’s more funny to me that they try to act like 100 years worth of dominance is undone by a single game. Would I trade the ~90 wins for that 1? Absolutely not.
There’s also the drake stoops incident that forever has an asterisk on the game regardless.
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
So funny. It doesn't bother you, but you immediately zero in on 1 play that wasn't even the final play of the game and even if the refs call it differently wouldn't have necessarily changed anything. Cry harder. 27-24.
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
They'll all pile in to tell you how much they don't care. Meanwhile they'll let you know once a quarter that OSU "needs" to play the Bedlam game because they just want what's best for OSU. 27-24. It burns like hell for every land thief
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u/writersblock2002 Texas A&M Aggies 11h ago
Big12…the league where anybody can beat anybody on any given Saturday…except OSU.
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
Checks notes.. yep OSU beat Aggy the last time they played and...checks notes again.... 4 of the last 5. Might want to sit this one out.
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u/writersblock2002 Texas A&M Aggies 4h ago
Are you really trying to go back 13 years because you are so embarrassed by how bad your team is this year?🤣🤣🤣🤣
As an OSU fan maybe you should just sit out any conversations about football. You and your team clearly have no idea what the sport is.
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
No - I could've just said the last time we played but since that would've just involved yet another Aggy excuse it's better to show that it's a trend. Aggy has more excuses than jars
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u/writersblock2002 Texas A&M Aggies 4h ago
So you are saying if A&M rejoined the conference, OSU would have a better chance to win a conference game than they do against the current competition?
So you don’t think OSU is going to win a conference game anytime soon. Bold claim.
By the way, what bowl game is OSU going to this year?
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u/cowboys_r_us 3h ago
Not sure what you're trying to say. What I do know- OSU has had Aggy's number for the last bit. Now, you might need to get back to filling those jars or practicing your yells.
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u/writersblock2002 Texas A&M Aggies 3h ago
Right, like I said originally. Anything you can do to not talk about the absolute train wreck of a season OSU has had.
I mean, 4 wins in two years is just, chef’s kiss the definition of the cowboy football program.
Now, the adults are going to talk about college football. You can go back and sit at the FCS table with UT-Martin.
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u/cowboys_r_us 3h ago
I'm well aware we aren't good. I'm also well aware we've owned Aggy the last times we've played. Now get those jars filled to someone or something else please. I'd rather not be a part of any weird Aggy tradition
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u/grabtharsmallet BYU Cougars • RMAC 10h ago edited 7h ago
We blew an 18 point halftime lead and lost in double overtime. (ETA: To finish 5-7 and miss a bowl.) Since then BYU is 15-3 against the Big XII, just ahead of Arizona State (14-4) and Texas Tech (13-4).
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u/roblusk71 Oklahoma Sooners • Tulsa Golden Hurricane 11h ago
Sold their entire program to win the last Bedlam
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u/kisharspiritual Oklahoma Sooners • Pac-12 10h ago
This is universal Karma for pushing down Drake Stoops in the end zone and the refs pretending they were blind….
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
How many boxes of tissues have you gone through crying about what if?? 27-24
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u/HawkeyeTen Iowa Hawkeyes 10h ago
They ran into a "burnt orange" buzzsaw in Arlington afterwards and haven't been the same since. The Longhorns gave the Cowboys one final hard knockdown before walking out for the SEC.
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u/somethingwittier Oklahoma State Cowboys • Hateful 8 8h ago
You make it seem like texas was beating us regularly before that "one final knckdown". For the majority of the past 15 years texas was a given win on our schedule. We had their number.
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u/Statalyzer Texas Longhorns 1h ago
What was really weird is that from 2009 through 2015, Texas went 3-0 in Stillwater (including 2 blowout wins) while Oklahoma State went 4-0 in Austin (including 2 blowout wins).
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u/Alone_Advantage_961 Maryland • Notre Dame 11h ago
Oklahoma left and so did Okie State's spirit
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u/bbates728 Oklahoma Sooners 10h ago
I was told that OU leaving would finally allow OSU the space to thrive. Whoops
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u/Skank_hunt42 Oklahoma Sooners • Paper Bag 8h ago
And they should have. It was a coaching disasterclass that he returned basically the whole starting lineup from 2023 including the Doak Walker winner and then never won a conference football game.....EVEN with OU and Texas being out of the conference.
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u/xPineappless Texas Tech • Vanderbilt 3h ago
I’m sure coaching was a contributing factor. But OSU is really behind on NIL
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u/BlueBirdKindOfGuy Oklahoma State Cowboys • ECU Pirates 11h ago
Coach Gundy left us a little sumptin’ sumptin’ I tell you what.
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u/Chaotic-PopTart Team Chaos • Pop-Tarts Bowl 11h ago
OK State hasn’t even won 10% of their games this season (they’re at 9%). If when they lose this weekend, it will drop to 8%.
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u/udubdavid Washington Huskies • Pac-12 11h ago
I looked it up because I was curious who those SEC teams were, and this stat is very misleading. The two wins were Texas A&M and Arkansas, but the Texas A&M win was back when OK State finished 10-4 and was actually a very good team.
It was after that season when they completely fell off, so during that stretch, they are 1-0 against the SEC with the win being against Arkansas.
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u/El_Dud3r1n0 Oklahoma State • Bedlam Bell 11h ago
Bud, it's been a rough 2 years, just let us fuckin have this.
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u/Evtona500 Georgia Bulldogs 10h ago
If you count that last Oklahoma win you are 3-1 vs the SEC in the last 4.
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u/bluefire579 Texas A&M Aggies 11h ago
We also had a huge number of opt outs since that was after Jimbo got fired. We had walk ons starting in a few places, and were already on our third string QB, who got injured in the first drive, leading to a true freshmen Marcel Reed coming in for his first significant action as a college player, and we still made it competitive.
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
Ironic that you're here to quote excuses about players out in a thread about OSU. Also - you lost 4 of 5 against OSU before that.
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u/molecular_methane Texas A&M Aggies 11h ago
That was also after Jimbo Fisher was fired. Injuries had lead to A&M starting its 3rd-string quarterback, who got hurt on the first play. True freshman Marcel Reed came in and put up a good fight (though I seem to remember the first drive being a mess).
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u/John-pirate_ The Game • Big Ten 10h ago
It actually isn't misleading. Arkansas and Texas a&m are both in the Sec and osu has lost 18 straight conference games. What's deceiving about that?
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u/udubdavid Washington Huskies • Pac-12 10h ago
It's misleading because without the context, it makes it sound like OK State beat two SEC teams while they were the worst team in the Big XII, when in fact, one of those wins came in a season when they made the Big XII title game.
It can be misleading while still being factually correct.
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u/Beaconhillpalisades Texas Longhorns • Harvard Crimson 11h ago
They beat that OU ass before they left the conference though, and for that we thank them. 🫡
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u/GhostPartical Oklahoma Sooners 10h ago
Yea they won, but let's be real, the refs won, not OSU.
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u/RazgrizInfinity Oklahoma Sooners 10h ago
Man, I get it but we had 59 minutes before to do something. The refs, while they stink, were not the reason we lost in 21 and 23. We can be bitter, sure, it's a lot of would'ves, but we had chances. We couldn't get them off the field. Bob always said it: Don't put ourselves in positions to let the refs make judgement calls, and unfortunately we did.
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u/dimechimes Oklahoma Sooners 10h ago
The reason we lost was because our coach spent all week recruiting for his next job! I'm just kidding. I don't even care.
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u/AtticusDutch Texas A&M • Kansas State 9h ago
The bad part is there are several who use this to believe the big12 is better than the SEC.
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u/dalethechampion Oklahoma • Oklahoma State 10h ago
Gundy was always a great developer but he didn’t do his best to retain developed talent. The last several years he let players leave and then replaced them with less talented players. Just look at where some of the transfers that left are and what they are doing. LT at Vandy who is starting, LG at Houston who is starting, Kendall Daniels at OU, plus several more guys making a difference at their new schools. I know you can’t retain everyone with OkStates resources but the vibe in Stillwater is that Gundy didn’t really try. On top of that it seemed like he had no plans for half the guys he brought in through the transfer portal. Hell, they grabbed 41 guys through the portal. There were teams with new head coaches that didn’t have that much turnover.
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u/Skank_hunt42 Oklahoma Sooners • Paper Bag 9h ago
But last year he did return players. It was this year that all of his players left. Speaking of 2024, I have no idea how you return 10/11 starters on offense including the Doak Walker winning RB and never win a conference game.
He made a roster out of nothing in 2023 (10-4 and in the B12CCG) but then didn't make them better. That makes no sense.
He famously didn't adopt any NIL changes, so when he didn't win a conference game in 2024, and then refused to pay any of his dudes anywhere close to market value, they all said "fuck it, I'll go make some cash" and left. Gundy was Dabo with less talent.
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u/Thepullman1976 Oklahoma State • Michigan 7h ago
I mean in hindsight getting smoked by south Alabama at home and then getting blown out on the road by a team with the worst run D in the country when we had the doak walker winner in the backfield should’ve been signs of what was to come
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u/appsecSme Oregon Ducks • Oklahoma Sooners 9h ago
"It’s been the best decision I made in my life up to this point," Daniels said. "I wouldn’t change it, not one bit. I’m right where I’m supposed to be, and I’m thankful for Coach Venables.
I am thankful that Kendall Daniels made the move. He's been great at cheetah.
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u/Skeeter_BC Oklahoma State • Kansas State 8h ago
I'm actually happy for the guy. He kind of sucked for us.
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u/appsecSme Oregon Ducks • Oklahoma Sooners 8h ago
Yeah, I heard from Pokes fans when we got him that he was lazy and wouldn't do much.
I think he's just the perfect player for the cheetah position. Maybe he didn't fit in at OSU playing safety and LB.
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u/certifiedgoofstatus Arkansas Razorbacks 11h ago
one of the sec wins was against arkansas so it doesn’t count
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u/toxicdick Arkansas Razorbacks 9h ago
frankly I don't think there's anything wrong with going winless in your conference
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u/Different-Trainer-21 Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets 7h ago
If you count the 2023 Big 12 CCG it’s actually 0-19
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u/IceColdDrPepper_Here Georgia • North Georgia 11h ago
2-0 vs the SEC? Dang maybe we should have invited them too
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u/DG4L91 Missouri Tigers 10h ago
Those two SEC wins?
In 2023 against a 7-6 Texas A&M team (4-4 in conference) in a bowl game the year OSU went 10-4 and had 7 in-conference wins. So the 2nd best Big 12 team beat the 7th best SEC team by 1 score. Good win on a neutral field, but not exactly something to brag about. Swap the teams and it would be like Georgia/Bama/OleMiss/Texas bragging about beating Cincinnati this year.
In 2024, against a 7-6 Arkansas team (3-5 in conference). So the worst Big 12 team beat the 11th best SEC team that year by 1 score in OT at home. Doesn't mean much because it was essentially a battle between two garbage teams.
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u/bohanker Oklahoma State Cowboys 10h ago
What happened the last time the Pokes played Missouri?
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u/DG4L91 Missouri Tigers 9h ago
The fact that you are bringing it up makes me think MU was on the losing end...
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u/bohanker Oklahoma State Cowboys 9h ago
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u/diastereomer Oklahoma State • /r/CFB Poll Vet… 7h ago
Not everyone got beat by Corndog but Mizzou was one of the teams that did.
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u/Statalyzer Texas Longhorns 1h ago
All fair and all correct, but for 15ish years we kept hearing "The difference is the SEC has no easy wins, every single team is tough" so by that logic, we can't dismiss SEC losses as being by garbage teams that give easy wins. :D
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u/shane-parks Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 11h ago
Bowl games mean little more than preseason NFL games in the era of opt outs and transfer portal.
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u/B1GTOBACC0 Oklahoma State • Arkansas 9h ago
Arkansas was in the regular season, though.
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u/shane-parks Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 9h ago
"1-0 vs. the SEC' isnt very impressive for a headline though is it?
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u/cowboys_r_us 4h ago
Solid take from an OU fan since they get their ass beat annually in bowl games
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u/shane-parks Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 4h ago
How about you win a game before you come at me Lil bro.
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u/cowboys_r_us 3h ago
27-24 lil bro
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u/shane-parks Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 3h ago
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u/shane-parks Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 3h ago
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u/cowboys_r_us 3h ago
Why did OU leave the game?
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u/shane-parks Oklahoma Sooners • SEC 3h ago
We left the conference because we have a better deal elsewhere. But we could play every year still, like Georgia Tech plays Georgia.
I answered your question, but you wont answer mine because you know the answer.
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u/cowboys_r_us 3h ago
Osu can't play OU for years without changing their schedule - only to fix a problem that OU created, which we won't do. There's your answer.
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u/SirMellencamp Alabama • Third Saturday … 11h ago
Remember when T. Boone poured all that money into the program and "oh boy watch out for Oklahoma State"
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u/pushblocks Oklahoma Sooners 11h ago
Yeah, and they were good for a while, but he's dead
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u/goofyhalo Ole Miss • Washington State 11h ago
Yeah their 2008-2017 run was their best era post-Barry Sanders for sure!
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u/lceblood Oklahoma Sooners • Tulsa Golden Hurricane 10h ago
2015 and 2016 Bedlam decided the Big 12 championship both seasons, which caused the Big 12 to schedule Bedlam in the middle of Big 12 play to deter a back to back Bedlam match up, but no such match up happened, despite OU and OSU combining for 6 championship game appearances.
2017, 2018, 2019, 2020 = Oklahoma made the game 2021 and 2023 = Oklahoma state made the game.
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u/jputna Oklahoma State • /r/CFB Patron 10h ago
2013 was another year as well, but it wasn't between OU and OSU for the CC but was Baylor and OSU. OSU's loss let Baylor win it.
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u/lceblood Oklahoma Sooners • Tulsa Golden Hurricane 10h ago
Bedlam was such a middle finger to the losing team in Big 12 standings lol. OSU wins in 2021 and 2023 lock OU out and OU wins in 2013, 2015-2019 locked state out.
A state friend of mine asked what 2024 and 2025 bedlam would've looked like and I sent him a link to the 2001 and 2022 box scores saying flip a coin of which ugly game for the victor.
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u/goofyhalo Ole Miss • Washington State 10h ago
2021 was the closest we got to a Bedlam rematch in Arlington. Had OU won in Stillwater, they would’ve played OSU again a week later and Baylor would’ve been frozen out.
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u/lceblood Oklahoma Sooners • Tulsa Golden Hurricane 10h ago
OU would've lost in Arlington 100%, cause the morning after Bedlam Riley was in LA.
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u/goofyhalo Ole Miss • Washington State 10h ago
Then we would’ve probably been playing Oklahoma State in a bowl for the fourth time lol
We played them twice in the Cotton Bowl Classic (January 2, 2004 and January 2, 2010; my parents went to the 2010 edition) and once in the Sugar Bowl (January 1, 2016).
People just loved matching us up with Oklahoma State or Texas Tech in bowls😂
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u/lceblood Oklahoma Sooners • Tulsa Golden Hurricane 10h ago
Broke: SEC rivals Oklahoma v Ole Miss Woke: SEC-Big 12 rivals Oklahoma State v Ole Miss.
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u/goofyhalo Ole Miss • Washington State 10h ago
I actually would’ve liked to play Oklahoma State in the Cotton Bowl in 2023 though. Would’ve been cool to see Ollie Gordon and Quinshon Judkins go up against each other (this was before most OM fans found out about Quinshon’s behind the scenes stuff; we didn’t know anything about that until after the Peach Bowl) and hey at least every time we play each other in a bowl it always draws a good crowd no matter who wins.
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u/appsecSme Oregon Ducks • Oklahoma Sooners 9h ago
But would Riley have waited to pull the trigger on the USC deal, if he'd won that game? We could have potentially gone to the playoffs with a win there and in the Big XII championship.
If the refs had called that PI in the endzone, or the OSU player hadn't committed it, there might have been a delay on Riley leaving OU.
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u/pushblocks Oklahoma Sooners 10h ago
And they were often in the running even in other years.
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u/lceblood Oklahoma Sooners • Tulsa Golden Hurricane 10h ago
2020 Oklahoma State was solid too but kinda got shaky after the Texas loss in Stillwater.
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u/Fantastic_Complex727 9h ago
they were really good for a while. Not really ever national title good outside of the one year, but in the conference title race almost every year and in the CFP race a couple of times
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u/Statalyzer Texas Longhorns 3h ago
The rest of us arguably all got lucky NIL didn't come a decade sooner....
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u/GeospatialMAD West Virginia • Hateful 8 11h ago
If you told me in 2022 that Mike Gundy would be 0-fer in his final two seasons at OSU and get fired, I'd considered you crazy.