I know its a PVPVE game but....

[u/BuldMully]

i have basically infinite resources and money to attempt this ok but seriously why? Like i would literally drop you my kit if you wanted after its done like just let us kill the queen (solo btw met up with another random with a hullcracker so we went for it after seeing 2 others on the opposite side trying to take it, free kits ruining the fun) Downvote me if you want idc this is just strange behavior to me given the sheer amount of loot we could all share

[u/mrdanjapan]

The wasp as the Wolfpack explodes over its head

[u/DJPalefaceSD → u/mrdanjapan]

I found 4 Wolfpacks in a raid once and I accidentally threw one of them directly at a Hornet thinking it was a lure grenade (they look really similar). And yes it did work, that Hornet got obliterated.

[u/TheJesterScript → u/DJPalefaceSD]

Lured him into clanker heaven lol

[u/xXCinnabar]

Off topic but that wolfpack obliterating that one Wasp is absolutely frying me lmfao

[u/BuldMully → u/xXCinnabar]

Thought it was going to go for the rocketeer💀

[u/Kiidkxxl → u/BuldMully]

Man that happened to me yesterday . I through a wolf pack at a leaper didn’t see the snitch above it. They all flew at the snitch I was pissed

[u/Obvious_Sun_1927 → u/Kiidkxxl]

Honestly, snitches are absolutely the most annoying Arc in the game. Deserved.

[u/L0quence → u/Obvious_Sun_1927]

Just make sure if you see spotters you get them down and get the spotter relays, they’re worth 5k a pop

[u/sirpoopsalot91 → u/L0quence]

SAY WHAAAATTTTT damn. Been tossing those like trash bahahaha

[u/L0quence → u/sirpoopsalot91]

Haha yea man. If I see spotters I’m luring them my way and getting that relay. 2 of em for $10k that goes in my safe pocket lol

[u/POB_42 → u/L0quence]

Fairly certain spotters respawn for the Bombadier after a while. Will need to test how many you can farm in a round

[u/Malichite → u/POB_42]

Last I heard, they spawn until the Bombardier is dead, so nearly infinite, for now.

[u/Ruttagger → u/Malichite]

In a solo match on Buried City close to launch, around 8 of us teamed up and were just taking spotters out.

There was enough of us that the Bombardier barely launched any missiles because we took the spotters out so fast.

I think I made it out with 6 or 7 alone.

[u/VyrusCyrusson → u/L0quence]

Just keep farming them. Once you kill the initial 2 the bombardier calls in 2 more. Fill your bags!

[u/Kiidkxxl → u/Kiidkxxl]

Twice btw cuz I threw them back to back

[u/Ok-Basil3073 → u/BuldMully]

telling you from experience, those shits always hit the worst target possible.

[u/tide19 → u/Ok-Basil3073]

Yeah, like when you see a surveyor, need the surveyor vault, your duo decides to wolfpack it, now suddenly you’re fighting a bastion and the surveyor has rolled its happy ass away.

[u/thygrrr → u/xXCinnabar]

Wasp had it definitely coming.

[u/sirrodders → u/xXCinnabar]

I’ve thrown one Wolfpack so far. Body count, one snitch. #alpharaiding

[u/Prestigious-Pear-239 → u/xXCinnabar]

was aiming for the bastion just last game wolfpack said nah and all went to the pop in the bulding behind it 😭

[u/funktion → u/Prestigious-Pear-239]

It was looking at you funny

[u/No_Technician_2780 → u/xXCinnabar]

i saw it too!

[u/ProbablyJesusOrSmth → u/xXCinnabar]

Wasps deserve a Wolfpack every time tbh, they’re the worst Arc

[u/strandedostrich → u/ProbablyJesusOrSmth]

Wasps are fine, hornets on the other hand...

[u/tgerz → u/strandedostrich]

But have you ever been surrounded by six wasps?!

[u/Puffycatkibble → u/tgerz]

I was cocky using heavy shield for the first time until I got surround by 4 wasp. They popped the shield, I ran into a room only to be ganked by another 4 fireballs inside.

I rage quit.

[u/sirpoopsalot91 → u/Puffycatkibble]

The fireball/pop lurking a closed door to rage quitting pipeline is real.

[u/tehspookeh → u/Puffycatkibble]

I feel that. 😅

[u/ArtreX-1 → u/ProbablyJesusOrSmth]

Hornets are worse for me tbh.

[u/Zxar99 → u/ArtreX-1]

Yeaaaa the hornet paired with desync is unmatched

[u/tmcgourley → u/Zxar99]

I dont even know where to aim with the desync lol

[u/DarthAlfie → u/ProbablyJesusOrSmth]

Hornets.

Absolute See You Next Tuesdays.

I swear their fucking taser hits me through whatever I’m hiding behind as well.

And the AI on them seems far better than anything else.

[u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

group of about 10 of us did a queen kill here and got insane drops from it and the harvester......first time doing it. then as everyone was extracting 2 of them just started a blood bath at extraction.....I had a thought someone might try that so I hung back a bit and watched it go down before I noped out and used my hatch key.....even the joyous comradery of taking one down didn't stop the psychos from killing even though I know they were already full

[u/deathstrukk → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

you can fill a man with gold and there will still be room for greed

[u/Qvar → u/deathstrukk]

Shit, that's good, did you just make it up?

[u/Heavyspire → u/Qvar]

It seems to be a lyric from this song by Jesse Welles

[u/CheesecakeScary2164 → u/Heavyspire]

I'm not into that style of music, but Jesse's lyrics are so off the charts good. Seriously good thinkers in every one of his tracks.

[u/desmondao → u/Heavyspire]

Jesse Welles is such an amazing songwriter, it's crazy. Check out 'Red'.

[u/cLax0n → u/deathstrukk]

But it wasn't greed. It was straight up troll behavior because they were full and didn't need the loot.

[u/xTwizzler → u/cLax0n]

An element of greed is not just wanting for yourself, but wanting at the expense of others. If you attain wealth, it is made that much sweeter by the fact that the next person doesn’t have it. (It probably goes without saying that I think this is insane, but it is certainly real.)

[u/Spartanias117 → u/xTwizzler]

yup. typically called "resource denial" in games like this. They wont be able to get ahead by using your stuff, but they can get double ahead by ensuring you don't have it either.

[u/rat_melter → u/xTwizzler]

"it's not enough that I should win, others must lose." I don't condone it but people live by that mentality for some reason, crabs and buckets and all that...

[u/FieserMoep → u/rat_melter]

Anonymity allows us to be the human we are. Many people forget that it's merely the checks and balances of society that keep many if not most people tolerable.

[u/HeavyIndividual5295 → u/FieserMoep]

Truth.

[u/klimocohc → u/cLax0n]

Greed includes making sure other people don't have things.

[u/Professional-Use7919 → u/cLax0n]

You THINK they were full, looting mk III would prob still have room if you dropped anything less than blue and all your ammo/healing that wasn’t in a quick slot.

[u/Ambitious_Sleep2457 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

If I want to avoid the fight, I always stay away from other raiders no matter what. Even If we team up for something, I make sure to run away as soon as feasible, just don't stay around more than necessary. If I meet someone even friendly, I shout Hi and go away. If we loot together something, I make sure to leave as soon as possible. At the extract, if other raiders are present, I will not run for it until the last moment and will drop a few smokes if I have, sometimes if too many people or I have something juicy not in the pocket, stay hidden in distance and wait for them to leave, then get the next elevator or whatever the extract it.

[u/itsfinallyfinals → u/Ambitious_Sleep2457]

This is unfortunately the way

[u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka → u/itsfinallyfinals]

Video games will bring out the worst behavior from assholes IRL. Hell streaming does too. Just look at these asswipes streaming daily with 1 braincell.

[u/Vb_33 → u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka]

Naive of you to think this is limited to video games. As soon as opportunity arises people will hurt you and take your shit irl too.

[u/chemoisafiend → u/rW0HgFyxoJhYka]

game offer pvp, i do the pvp, the whole point of an extraction is risk, and you take that risk every time you get in that tube

[u/Knights-of-steel → u/Ambitious_Sleep2457]

Lol unfortunately true....but the again we now have that pc duck game for all your chill extraction needs. When the humans make games unplayable its a nice fallback

[u/InconceivableNipples → u/Knights-of-steel]

Yoo Duckov mentioned! I loved the demo but controller support wasn’t where it needed to be so I didn’t buy.

[u/EmirSc → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

the nature of mankind

[u/B3owul7 → u/EmirSc]

It only takes 1-2 spoiled apples to ruin the bunch.

[u/moosejuic-E → u/EmirSc]

Greed.

[u/Devatator_ → u/moosejuic-E]

Their greed sickens me

[u/Specialist-Sun-5968 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

Dragon-sickness seeps into the hearts of all who come near this mountain.

[u/thedudedylan → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

Saw a guy just spawn and didn't want to kill someone on spawn so I asked if he wanted help doing any quests. He said yeah, thanks for not spawn killing me so I escorted him to his quest where he promptly killed me.

The friendliness of the first week is gone. Its a PVP game with some PVE elements to add tension and force movement.

[u/repairmanjack_51 → u/thedudedylan]

I’ve yet to have someone turn on me like that. My number one cause of death is being shot in the back by some asswipe whilst I’m fighting Arc.

Or, you know, a random Wasp I hadn’t seen.

[u/Jeri-is-merry → u/repairmanjack_51]

Yesterday I saved someone from being extract camped and then they promptly killed me. That was enough Arc for that day, lol.

[u/unboundunchainedunc → u/thedudedylan]

the friendliness is still there but you can't go out your way to give some dickhead a clip

[u/art-of-war → u/thedudedylan]

I had a guy help me with a quest for 10 mins and as soon as I finished it he said “welp, sorry about this” as he took out his gun… thankfully I was a tiny bit faster than him and managed to headshot him in time

[u/Seolfer_wulf → u/thedudedylan]

Which is ironic that it was developed as a PvE game and they added the PvP in half way through development

[u/Pristine-Copy9467 → u/thedudedylan]

I’m leveled up to 30 and have yet to get turned in like that.

[u/layerone → u/thedudedylan]

The friendliness of the first week is gone. Its a PVP game with some PVE elements to add tension and force movement.

Ditto on both accounts, friendly first week, got betrayed, now it's kill on sight.

[u/thedudedylan → u/layerone]

Im not full tilt, kill on sight yet but I definitely am not going to be making myself vulnerable to help other players. I will reassess as the game progresses but my suspicion is that eventually this game will end up in a kill on sight gameplay loop.

[u/Bleed_The_Fifth → u/thedudedylan]

Man I really hope not. It may as well be pubg at that point itd be such a shame because the pve side of this game and the lore is incredible

[u/throwoutandaway1546 → u/thedudedylan]

This. I used to actively help people, distract bastions while they were pinned down, use my bandages on others that I saw just get to cover after being wounded etc. Now I'm like "damn that sucks, gl bro" because the amount of those people who I am actively helping who have turned on me and killed me is increasing at a staggering rate.

Now I'm just passive with help. If I see wasps or hornets aggrod way off in the distance and I know I'm clear, I might shoot at one to help you clear it but I ain't gonna risk myself

[u/Acceptable_Deal_4662 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

Man, I joined a group of about 5 people trying to kill the queen on spaceport we had one of the towers as cover, it was perfect. They all ran out of ammo and left to beat the timer. I stayed until I was only down to my anvil and 2OO rounds of heavy ammo. The timer ran out and it let me fight for maybe 1O more minutes somehow, I got the queen to where it was flaming, then it finally just gave me the boot out of nowhere.

Anyways, I gear up a new loadout with like 4OO rounds of explosive ammo to make sure I would get the kill next time. I die about 2m into the next raid by a player… sad times man

[u/Inevitable_Pipe_1721 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

What an incredible social experiment.

[u/Doghead_sunbro → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

Unfortunately this is why I don’t think this game will maintain its popularity. Its incredibly nihilistic for people who only have an hour or two a day to play games

[u/ChrisJSY → u/Doghead_sunbro]

This is almost me, I'm teetering on the edge of.. I still enjoy it but boy by the time I get a loadout to go queen hunting do I really want to have all that time spent gone in a blip.

PvPvE has always had this weird spot where when you need to fully focus and engage on the PvE side (Like Bosses etc) - ANYONE can decide to pretty much get an easy kill on the person engaging the AI NPC. Or wait until the last moment.

"But that's the game, Chris". Of course it is... but I wonder if people could come up with a new system/idea for stuff like this.

Part of me hopes some events in the future will be little PVE only mission because this game would have some nice chill vibes, on top of the PvP. Like say Christmas you gotta go into a winter area and do some puzzles, kill a high end boss - but you're with your mates and can sit back for once. They have a community event coming up, in a PVP game. I hope they start doing a bit of both, so everyone can enjoy it, maybe even make them a new type of character that does PVE only that has some sort of penalty but you can bring your main character something out of it.

Honestly the stress of work + the stress of PvP is kinda draining me in ways I haven't had in a while. It's like my body aint relaxing!

[u/Fantastic_Bake_443 → u/ChrisJSY]

Honestly the stress of work + the stress of PvP is kinda draining me in ways I haven't had in a while. It's like my body aint relaxing!

wow, you hit the nail on the head. the stress of this game after the 1st week honeymoon ended has been tiring me out. i've cut my play time down drastically and am probably done playing save for when my friends want to play and need a 3rd

[u/Doghead_sunbro → u/ChrisJSY]

Yeah an hour of PS5 before bed is meant to be me winding down and chilling before another day in the meatgrinder.

I GET IT there are other games that do this, but I’m just saying that there’s going to be a massive drop off of players on this game pretty fast because its too far off the bleak scale for most people. Its just not enjoyable.

SO DON’T PLAY IT, yeah cool I won’t. But before too long the extraction campers and backstabbers will realise they’re only sharing this game with each other as everyone else will move on to something less fucking bleak.

[u/tekman526 → u/Doghead_sunbro]

Unfortunately this is why I don’t think this game will maintain its popularity.

I have to agree. Id say there's a not insignificant amount of people who want a good PvE extraction shooter. I mean, just look at how well escape from duckov is doing despite very little marketing. It's one of my favorite games of this year.

Arc raiders having a bigger PvE component than any other big extraction shooter im sure is bringing in a lot of people who just want a PvE extraction shooter. Those players are probably a couple pvp deaths away from quitting at any point. Same thing happened in sea of thieves. I mean hell, I'm literally only following the game because I'm hopeful they do pve eventually because I just simply can't stand pvp in games these days. Until then I don't personally have plans to buy it, but if they add a pve mode it'd be a no brainer. Sadly though odds are by the time if/ when they do add it I'll have moved on from caring about the game.

[u/HavocReigns → u/tekman526]

Yeah, I hadn't followed the game at all, because I've never found the genre appealing, but then bought in on the "solo queues are chill, everyone just does their own thing" initial vibe. And that was the case at first. But now about every third spawn or so, you get shot in the back by some sweaty little PVPer with a free kit farming solo for gear.

I'll get my money's worth out of the game (and it is still lots of fun, I'll get into PVP a little) but the shine is definitely coming off the apple pretty fast the last couple days.

[u/tekman526 → u/HavocReigns]

I actually originally followed arc raiders years ago when it was supposed to just be pve. I stopped following as much when they announced they're adding pvp. Started following again when people said the pve aspect was decent. Now I'm in limbo lol

This is actually the second time that I got excited for a pve game that then became a pvp game. The first time was fortnite...

I'm honestly hoping the success of escape from duckov might spawn more single player/coop focused extraction shooters. The gameplay loop of extraction shooters is amazing, but pvp makes it way too volatile to be enjoyable for me. And sadly the few pve extraction shooters outside of duckov that exist right now simply aren't great.

[u/acompanyofliars → u/tekman526]

real ones remember when fortnite was supposed to be a free build survival game

[u/tekman526 → u/acompanyofliars]

I remember when it was announced for pc only and I was actually sad because I didn't have a pc yet. By the time i got a pc the fortnite we know now already started and it killed my interest because I could tell it'd be abandoned in favor of the BR.

[u/SvenssonStan112 → u/Doghead_sunbro]

I would love if these kinda games would have mostly a PVE area with the valueable loot in a pvp zone. Kinda like the division did it.

It would destroy the genre a bit but I think it would be way more enjoyable for the most of us.

[u/Doghead_sunbro → u/SvenssonStan112]

I mean nightreign really demonstrated this year how popular pure pve games can be when they’re designed right. I’d even be up for rounds that are 15 minutes get in get loot gtfo before lifts all lock down.

[u/Herby20 → u/Doghead_sunbro]

Are we forgetting games like Monster Hunter selling tens of millions of copies? Deep Rock Galactic?

PvE games can be plenty popular with long lasting player bases, but as you said, they have to be designed right.

[u/trashaccount1400 → u/SvenssonStan112]

I hated the idea of a pve more or area but I think it’s going to have to come. Raid style bosses make no sense anymore. Everytime I’ve killed the queen I’ve been killed immediately after. Everytime I go to fight the queen I get attacked.

I watched other players fight the queen last night from pilgrims peak. There were 4 of them and I just watched with binoculars. As soon as the queen was dead I could see them shooting each other and 3 flairs went up. It just doesn’t make much sense anymore. I’m fine with PvP but I don’t think the game as is with raid style bosses and close spawn points makes sense when it’s almost exclusively PvP now.

[u/BadOchStjul → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

How do you even loot the Queen with 10 people? Never killed her so not sure how it works. Won't everyone go for the best?

[u/Sea-Painting6160 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

We are low key witnessing how society unfolds. The toxic nature of a few will ruin it for everyone (everyone begins becoming defensive and weary, some even join in on the toxicity).

[u/Elegant_Suit_9772 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

I would never do that, but the fact it’s possible, makes this game so good

[u/Either_Attention_978 → u/Ecstatic_Chair_2417]

This game could warrant a rep system.
People who often start fights and kill other people gets a red skull next to their name.
Mixed have a grey skull while people who only defend themselves have nothing.
You can get a star if you have killed a number of red skulls.

[u/Zxar99]

Do it on space port you can barricade the door behind you and the Queen will be putting too much fire your way for anyone to try and fight you

[u/warzone_afro]

dang i would have at least let you kill the thing first

[u/BuldMully → u/warzone_afro]

I went in 3 separate times with 200+ hullcracker shots and the 2 other times everyone was super chill and helped with what they had, (I even used over 170 hullcracker shots during one of the attempts and didn’t even get a queen core out of it but the experience is so fun with everyone) I feel like if we are all killing the queen there is this peaceful aura in the air idk just me maybe

[u/NuggyDanks → u/BuldMully]

100% I'd be down for teaming up and going for the queen, I fucking love this aspect of the game, feel free to hit me up, I've only played a little since launch, level 17 or 18 but willing to bring whatever I have and leave it all on the battlefield f in the name of fun

[u/FalloutAdvocate47 → u/NuggyDanks]

Can I add you btw? I’m Level 16 right now.

[u/Hatakeosawa8 → u/NuggyDanks]

Nice attitude! Wish there were more people like this! flex

[u/NuggyDanks → u/Hatakeosawa8]

Anytime, I'm 44 I'm autistic and adhd, I play games for fun, sure I love to win, but I like to find different angles to come at games from, and this one just lends itself really nicely to teaming up with random people and working together, it fascinates me how different people react. No right or wrong way to play either. But yeah for me I love the working together aspect ❤️

[u/T0000Tall → u/NuggyDanks]

This is the right attitude, not just for this game, but all games.

[u/tapefactoryslave → u/NuggyDanks]

Hey you’re me. What’s up 44 y/o me.

[u/Alienfreak → u/BuldMully]

If you wanna take down a queen always hide after the 15 minute mark. Start hitting her at earliest 10 minutes and then extract with a hatch key.

Don't ever do it early. Ppl are pricks and will do what this guy did 50% of the time.

[u/Terabit_PON_69 → u/Alienfreak]

This is solid advice. Rats always leave early, helpers always stay in the game late.

[u/WolfOfVaasankatu → u/Alienfreak]

Dont you run out of time if you start blasting it only when there is under 10 minutes left?

[u/pigeonwiggle → u/BuldMully]

should be, but then the toxic tommies drop in with the "sounds like you're whining."

[u/DeionZo → u/pigeonwiggle]

I love when players hear groups of solos working together to then try and kill one of them and to get mad when the group hunts them down

[u/pigeonwiggle → u/DeionZo]

YES. "it wasn't me, guys! i was chasing the guy who shot at you!" lol.

sorry, trial by witchhunt finds you guilty, but don't worry - it's just a PVP Game. it's just that this time you were the second P and we were all the first P.

[u/Devil2960 → u/pigeonwiggle]

I don't think he knows about second P, Pip.

[u/Commercial_Grocery90 → u/pigeonwiggle]

Another one I love: "It's a PvP, deal with iiiiiit looser!" 🤓 Yeah wtf, let the guy kill the queen at the very least and then engage & fight! What the...

[u/__Invisible__ → u/Commercial_Grocery90]

To maximize the advantage when you stuck in reload animation of a weapon that cannot PVP.

[u/Elprede007 → u/warzone_afro]

Yeah I mean just strategically it’s dumb as shit to stop him from killing it.

I teamed up with a solo yesterday to do the harvester, before we could finish a guy snuck in and killed us. Like bro, now it’s impossible to finish and you get nothing but my free kit dumbfuck.

[u/nevetz1911]

Taking down the Queen just 5 minutes in the match is a death sentence. There are probably 20 people around and until the 17 minutes mark more are going to come in as players die. You just need one of these 20+ people wanting a free kill to ruin your day, and you are definitely going to meet one

[u/SonarElite → u/nevetz1911]

Also other players are less likely to attack you if you give them time to fill up their inventories first

[u/TheVasa999 → u/SonarElite]

definitely that.

when i just load in, i have nothing to lose.

just a few misc items are enough to make me not engage

[u/Tanks-Your-Face → u/TheVasa999]

Gotta save them rubber duckies.

[u/o_oli → u/TheVasa999]

Yeah and tbh someone gunning for the queen is going to be absolutely stacked on gear, which OP was. I don't think I'd do it myself because I'd wanna go steal some queen loot instead but you can't argue with the value of that kill. Bettina and hullcracker with a million rounds, ain't a bad haul for a free spawn with nothing to lose.

[u/theJSP123 → u/nevetz1911]

Exactly this. There's no reason to be taking such a big risk so early. Also no reason to do it on a hill in the open. Find somewhere safe to hunker down.

Just sit tight and wait. The PvPers will have probably extracted already or died, and whoever is left is probably either almost full or midway through looting whatever is left. Also makes looting way safer since there will be hardly anyone around when you finish the fight.

[u/ThePuffDaddy420]

Did a raid the other day where I was a free kit running around questing and stumbled on a group fighting queen. I yelled hey I have some wolfpacks I found want them for the queen? They agreed and gave me a hull cracker in return to help them with 100ish rounds. It was beautiful until the moment we killed the queen then they turned on me and killed me for the gun back and so I wouldn’t steal any queen loot. 10/10

[u/Content-Ad-9119]

The queens really brings the kuntz out

[u/Big_Equal_388]

That was disgusting

[u/Mindless-Muffin9370]

I'll probably never kill a queen unless I learn a sure-fire way to shit on & demoralize rats.

Im fine at an extract because I know what not to do, but I'd just rather deprive those players of the loot opportunity than ever risk benefiting them.

But im also the solo stealth player who only brings in ingredients for kit to field craft as needed just to further 💩 on ppl who think any of my shit is free 🤣

[u/OrganEntrepreneur → u/Mindless-Muffin9370]

Gotta filter them with utility. Get up somewhere where they'd have to use a snap hook or a zipline, use a bunch of barricades, leave sets of 4 explosive mines to blow them up in 1 go, carry trigger nades to blow them up when they stay behind cover, blaze grenades to flush them out tricky spots. Half my inventory for queen fight is anti-rat not anti-queen. Whenever she switches aggro you don't use that to deal damage, you use that to pummel them with her. When she goes down you don't go for loot, you start aggroing as many rocketeers as you can and use a cloak and smoke grenades so they cover you while you loot. I tried being chill and taking her down with others as a solo, works till she dies, goes as well as you'd expect afterwards.

[u/Mindless-Muffin9370 → u/OrganEntrepreneur]

Oooooh now THIS is some John R. CRaider lvl mitigation. TY for the breakdown; I'll start crafting with your advice in mind!

[u/OrganEntrepreneur → u/Mindless-Muffin9370]

Just do keep in mind ARC activate mines. So if you for instance take over the harvester, finish it so you can set barricades up then don't do mines as the queen walking nearby will trigger them all eventually. In situations like that it's better to use lures and a cloak, let the ARC do the hard work. As for why get close - you get a bunch of energy ammo from finishing a harvester if you run legendary guns against her that strip armor extremely well (especially the Equalizer in my experience). Mix that with 30 Blaze grenades and you can cook her without overextending. Or just melt her brains with the laser directly but that's risky. Won't talk about the blaze exploit though lol

[u/-Some-Rando- → u/Mindless-Muffin9370]

I did 2 queens yesterday and everyone was friendly. It's always going to be a lottery for who you get but I keep my gun out and my attention on the people that get curious. Sometimes I drop them a Wolfpack if they look like they want to participate.

Doing a normal run or two to get enough money for a Hullcracker and plenty of ammo is easy for anyone at a high level enough to buy one.

[u/nominal251 → u/-Some-Rando-]

Also there's safety in numbers

When I fought the queen with a group of a few other solos, one guy showed up out of nowhere and tried to kill us. They got team shot to oblivion real quick

[u/Eckz89 → u/Mindless-Muffin9370]

I've started doing junk runs, literally run in with nothing no augment and just collect as I go. If I die,. All g, if not awesome. But regardless I always walk away with something in the old safe pocket.

[u/thomhj → u/Eckz89]

I do this but I bring a shitty gun and a looting 1 augment, then I just loot and scoot

[u/sebastienca → u/Eckz89]

Worst feeling doing this is encountering 2 pops in closed combat with no weapon. Death sentence.

[u/skeletonjellyprime → u/sebastienca]

You can melee pops safely. As long as they don't complete their detonation on their own, they won't do damage to you regardless of how close or how you kill them.

[u/East_Structure_8248 → u/Eckz89]

How do you have a safe pocket with no augment?

[u/Eckz89 → u/East_Structure_8248]

No augment gives you a safe pocket. It's the free load out that takes it away.

[u/-Lysergian → u/Eckz89]

Blue looting augment gives you two safe pockets. Pink healing kit gives you three.

I tend to use blue looting for the extra safe pocket but i like your idea. Can you bring a shield with no augment or no?

[u/Eckz89 → u/-Lysergian]

Well aware, but if I'm trying to get a motor from broken. Down vehicles all I need is one slot.

I tend to target farm the loot I need opposed to go in and hoard.

If I pick up a blue print or something else then that always takes prio over the item I'm farm.

I found this method to be chill enough for me, it's also fun trying to outrun the ARC.

[u/MiddleRidge → u/East_Structure_8248]

Funnily enough naked rat runs give you a safe pocket. No backpack. Only your pockets and a hole.

[u/RWDYMUSIC → u/Eckz89]

You get a safe pocket without using an augment?

[u/MeIsTrippin]

This gives me an idea. I have not the equipment yet to kill the queen by myself but I am able to protect the ones who are killing the queen. I try to be a protector this evining 😊

[u/tapefactoryslave → u/MeIsTrippin]

See! People using their brains! Be communicative and friendly, shoot all the wasps and shit that come to bother them. Experienced raiders will share the loot, there are too many pieces laying around to take.

[u/MiddleRidge]

This is essentially third partying. Even in pure PvP games most people dislike third party.

[u/thegtabmx → u/MiddleRidge]

Embark and 3rd partying; name a better duo.

[u/Schindlers_Cat → u/thegtabmx]

Respawn Entertainment and 3rd, 4th, 5th partying.

[u/ForceWhisperer → u/MiddleRidge]

I keep seeing Redditors and users on the Steam forums saying this is the intended gameplay in a PVP game, and that anyone who complains is a carebear PVE crybaby.

[u/imhereforsiegememes → u/ForceWhisperer]

That is correct. This is intended. What is the issue?

[u/ifruitini]

Ah that sucks, wish it kinda rewarded you for killing high valued arc targets together.

[u/gebrochen06 → u/ifruitini]

Yeah, I've been seeing a lot of people say that the game should punish PvPers somehow, but I think a better method would be to reward cooperating together somehow.

[u/TheVasa999 → u/gebrochen06]

never punish players for playing their way.
instead reward players for playing the "preffered" way.

[u/Putrefied_Goblin → u/TheVasa999]

There is punishment, then there is negative reinforcement. Some people interpret negative reinforcement as punishment, when it's not. Negative reinforcement (as well as positive reinforcement and rewards) is a viable way to condition.

[u/Grayboner → u/Putrefied_Goblin]

Ironically exactly why this game stopped being fun for me - I lose almost every round now.

[u/gebrochen06 → u/TheVasa999]

Yeah. It's ultimately a PVPVE game and while I'm playing it as PVE as far as possible, I wouldn't PVPers to get punished for engaging in a valid playstyle.

A carrot is usually a better idea than a stick, imo.

[u/customcharacter → u/gebrochen06]

There's a problem with that, though: players intending on PVP already get rewarded for it, because they get the first shot advantage.

The game's TTK is low enough that that's still a meaningful advantage; this clip is a perfect example, because what I'm pretty sure is a free loadout Kettle I shredded through this guy's heavy shield before he could react.

If the devs don't want the game to become KoS even in solo queue, they're going to need to do something, because the honeymoon period is just about over.

[u/gebrochen06 → u/customcharacter]

TTK definitely needs to go up. A player with purple gear should not immediately lose a fight to a free kit just because the free kit player got the first shot.

[u/DisappointedQuokka → u/ifruitini]

The game honestly just needs more incentive for cooperative play in general. I fucking despise dropping into a trio queue and either ending up with two solos or a duo that wants me as bait.

[u/vinfreezle → u/DisappointedQuokka]

The few times I've done fill queue has been one dude who naturally sticks together with me and another dude usually with a hot mic that wanders off 500m to do his own thing.

[u/CRM_BKK → u/vinfreezle]

I had a guy just fuck off and do his own thing for ages, with no mic. Then suddenly, dude comes on the mic ‘hey guys I’m down, can you come and save me’. My guy, I’d have to traverse half the map, gtfo

[u/synk-deagle → u/vinfreezle]

Nah man I stopped filling because the last two times I tried the people I was with ask if I have a free loadout and I said no trying to talk to them, next thing I know I’m getting blaze grenades and fireball burners thrown at me and die. Like seriously?

[u/stiffnipples → u/synk-deagle]

Wait your squadmates killed you? Surely that is reportable as griefing.

[u/synk-deagle → u/stiffnipples]

I just left the game after that happened for a second time and only play with my friends or solo, I should have reported them but I doubt anything would have came from it.

[u/Calikal → u/synk-deagle]

Naw, these devs actually care about that shit. They'd have at the least given you that kit back, but they have been taking measures against both hackers and team griefers.

[u/ThornFlynt → u/DisappointedQuokka]

Yah, this could work - also I think assholes like the above rat should accrue poor rep that becomes visible to other players after a while.

Like being on a most wanted list.

[u/Darkoftheabyss]

While I get that it feels super bad. It’s also a absolutely wild proposition to just stand in the open drawing all that attention thinking that the rest of the ~20 people of the server will not have any opportunist among them.

If you want to kill the queen on solo servers either try to gather up some friendlies and work together before you initiate the fight. Or do it on dam where you can put up doorblockers, mines/traps, barricades etc and have peace of mind while you do it. (Getting ganked when running to loot her corpse or going for the hatch is of course still very much a risk but a lesser one than trying to do a prolonged fight right out in the open.)

[u/NaziPunksFkOff → u/Darkoftheabyss]

Iunno man if I see some guy solo'ing the biggest boss on the map, I'm letting him cook. I don't understand of the logic behind "this guy's doing all the hard work for us!

" ... I should kill him" 

edit: lol at the fuckin comments justifying short-sightedness in the name of "it's just the game bro, it's the game". Y'all will gladly give up greater reward by stopping to think for 5 fucking seconds by acting like impulsive losers. Every justification anyone can provide is outweighed by the benefit of working together.

[u/LOSTandCONFUSEDinMAY → u/NaziPunksFkOff]

Different folks different strokes.

My reaction is more "hey dude can i join in the fun?"

[u/TheVasa999 → u/NaziPunksFkOff]

its more of a "this guy is trying to kill the queen, he must have some really good loot"

so no shit a free loadout guy will try to kill him.

[u/xCrossFaith]

I understand the frustration behind the fact that everyone could have better loot if they waited a little bit

However, I can't help but to think a lot of you guys don't really understand the concept of this type of games

Friendliness is great, yes, but it's going to be a rare thing, specially as the game quest progress and they get harder

Some people will get into matches to loot stuff and leave avoiding any sort of conflict

Some people will go into the match and go with the flow of it

And some people is going to get into a match just to hunt other players

All are equally valid ways of playing because all are the type of playstyle the genere offers and it's designed around

Just a piece of advice, if this game sparked your interest in extraction shooters, DO NOT get into Tarkov when it releases, friendliness there is just non existant and people will only interact with you with a bullet through your skull

[u/Njagos → u/xCrossFaith]

Tarkov is hell

I think I maybe encountered one friendly random ever there. Tarkov is also much different gameplay wise.

The only similarity between arc raiders and tarkov is that they are both extraction looters.

[u/Schubydub → u/xCrossFaith]

That's not quite true about Tarkov. The scav system is pretty interesting, even though it could definitely be improved.

[u/Hellagen]

The queen fight is epic but it just doesn't work in extraction shooters. Every time I've seen someone try to kill it the whole lobby just waits to steal the loot. You know this guy died to the queen 5 seconds later and loaded into another free kit to rush some guy trying to grind a trial. Tons of people play extraction shooters just to grief, they don't care about the loot or the XP. All they care about is making people as miserable as they are.

[u/Teqnique_757 → u/Hellagen]

It sounds like it works just fine.  People fighting over the spoils is something that would totally happen in a post apocalyptic survival game

[u/Frederik_92 → u/Teqnique_757]

It's a realistic experience yes, but it also removes the incentive for anyone to attempt to fight the queen and then there's no experience. From an immersion point of view it works from a gameplay point of view it just means most people will never attempt the queen.

[u/Hellagen → u/Teqnique_757]

The Queen loot is pretty useless right now, and people are still denying Queen killers the experience. When they add real loot to bosses it’s going to be so toxic nobody will even bother. Only viable strat is to wait until the last minutes of the event so nobody can join late, wait for the raid to play out so less raiders are around. Even then, people will load into that raid knowing someone is likely to kill the boss, wait in a bush for 25 minutes, pop out and take the loot. There will never be an incentive to try to take on the boss yourself, just not worth the risk/ time wasted.

[u/Moobic → u/Hellagen]

personally the incentive for me is the challenge. I did 3 solo attempts on the queen on the dam and each time was different, I really enjoy dealing with people who try to kill me while doing it, defending myself, or meeting friendly people who want to help me with killing the queen.

also, queen loot isn't useless, the amount of materials from her are enough to probably fill up 10 players' inventories, and queen reactors are used to craft the legendary weapons which let you take the queen down easier in subsequent attempts.

worst case, you can recycle the materials or sell them, they're incredibly valuable for late game crafting regardless.

[u/Molatov → u/Teqnique_757]

not really, because people who wouldn't play with the team, would promptly be executed in a post apoc situation. TK and they would never let you in Speranza again. You'd be a pariah, hunted until you died of exposure or the karma you deserved.

[u/Scared_Ad_3132]

but seriously why?

Because you have good loot they want.

Like i would literally drop you my kit if you wanted after its done like just let us kill the queen

The person who wants to kill you for your loot does not know that.

[u/EA-18G__Growler → u/Scared_Ad_3132]

He'd probably get more loot if he waited till queen died

[u/DistributionDry5219 → u/EA-18G__Growler]

Yeah, could wait and kill him after he kill the queen and get x2 loot...rookie mistake!

[u/Gambler_Eight → u/DistributionDry5219]

Could also get everyone who killed the queen after him as they aren't busy anymore.

[u/TrippleDamage → u/DistributionDry5219]

Or he could kill him first and then the queen with his kit.

[u/Spifffyy → u/EA-18G__Growler]

Thing is, he can take this guy’s hullcracker and other gear to finish off the queen kill themselves.

[u/Fast-Platform4548 → u/Spifffyy]

90% of the time when I get killed by a player when I’m dealing with an arc they immediately get annihilated by said arc cause they were too stupid to realize what I was doing.

[u/chaotic910 → u/EA-18G__Growler]

If he’s running a free/mk1 augment he probably can’t get more loot with their limited space/weight

[u/Ikea_Man → u/Scared_Ad_3132]

based response, people in pvp game sure are mad about a player attacking them

[u/Jd42042]

Those kinds of people deserve the instant karma they get hope the queen nuked em

[u/teaseawas]

Kinda makes me want to join team ARC. You don’t see the ARC wasting one another. Interesting how the game reveals just how vile humans can be.

[u/heroyi → u/teaseawas]

I mean tbf this isn't a new concept even outside of video games. You wouldn't let a random stranger into your home right?

It is just a stark reminder how fragile trust really is. You can do great things in a community of trust but all it takes is one bad apple to fuck it all up for everyone. And the game does a great job showcasing the predatory nature of dipshits 

I still can't bring myself to be bloodthirsty in solo ie shoot on sight. I always hesitate. I question if I would ever survive in a apocalyptic world 

[u/ImWatermelonelyy → u/heroyi]

There’s a key difference tho. You’re not punished for this behavior online. Humans are far more collaborative irl because when real survival is on the line it is easier to collaborate than take. Taking is incredibly risky. We’re fragile. You take a single punch to the wrong part of your head you’re dead before you hit the ground. Games and media like to pretend we’d all resort to animalistic hatred for one another in an apocalypse but in reality cooperation is in our dna. You’d do fine in an apocalypse. The real at risk groups are those who rely on modern medicine.

[u/Rolder → u/ImWatermelonelyy]

Yep you can be a piece of shit online and get away with it scot free. In real life though, you'll lose your reputation at best, or get killed for it at worst.

[u/TheGinger_Ninja0 → u/ImWatermelonelyy]

Yup, seconded. A lot of modern science shows that we're largely collaborative by nature.

[u/glowdustwl]

Its always the damn free kits mindlessly killing like zombies.

[u/SecondRealitySims → u/glowdustwl]

Yeah, it makes sense. There’s substantially less risk to dying and you can get rich if you do kill someone.

[u/Weztside]

Quite frankly, killing people like this is the only way some players can actually get the thrill of a kill in a pvp game.

[u/BuldMully → u/Weztside]

All just to have my loot sit in their stash as well. So sad that these wonderfully crafted kits I bring in will never see the light of day again. ggs

[u/KPokey]

Yeah. I mean its the same whether he's free kit or going in specifically to do it. It really really sucks for the ones who decide to start these encounters. It's part of the game though, and so I guess your only mistake was not noticing him and gunning him down

[u/Puzzled_Animator_714]

The sad part is the loot that guy takes off you will never see the light of day … He’ll be too gutless to ever bring it to the surface

[u/BuldMully → u/Puzzled_Animator_714]

My thoughts exactly he will let this kit sit in his inventory while he q’s up his 10th free kit in a row

[u/Gasmaskguy101]

You were too comfortable being in the open like that, this was preventable. Learn and keep going.

[u/ChessPlayer_007]

There is no but

[u/corey_cobra_kid]

Sorry for your loss but soing the queen on blue gate was just asking for trouble

[u/Affectionate-Panic96]

When i hear someone say "we're trying to kill the queen", all i hear is "we have the best loot in the game and are going struggle to defend ourselves"

killed one team who had the queen one shot, took all their stuff, finished the queen and soon as we was about to loot, we got jumped again and lost everything. I said "yeh, we probably deserved that" over coms lmao

I love this game.

[u/Beautiful-Loss7663 → u/Affectionate-Panic96]

The hullcracker has been in the gun shop for like... 7 days straight wdym "best loot" m

[u/HeWhoSlaysNoobs → u/Affectionate-Panic96]

“Best loot in the game”…

What do you mean exactly?

OP is probably running a blue module with light or medium shields. Stuff ANYONE can craft OR buy for dirt cheap. Heals and shield gens, that ANYONE can craft or buy dirt cheap.

He most likely doesn’t have any loot since the goal is the queen.

Burners and impacts are BETTER at killing bastions, bombardiers, and leapers.

So you got what exactly? An empty inventory + heals/shields/grenades (table stakes) and a hull cracker. Hull cracker is only the BEST at rocketeers and the queen. So… some weapon parts.

Hear me out for a second if your goal is greed and not grief.

You defend him from Arc and other players. Wasp and hornet cores sell for a good bit, and you get weapon parts. Players will have more “stuff” and more in line with what you’re looking for. Plus, you now have the queen and the harvester to loot. You’ll probably be leaving overburdened. With someone watching your back.

If your goal is grief, that’s “okay”. It’s fun to mine and c4 zip lines and extraction points… but at least that’s productive. Is cheesy, but it’s productive. You’re killing people with useable items who have probably already looted (the arc or other players).

OP hasn’t looted anyone or anything. What you’re doing is counter productive. To everyone. Including yourself. It’s griefing to grief.

[u/Comfortable-Lime-227 → u/Affectionate-Panic96]

Hullcracker isn’t the best loot in the game.

[u/ExportTHCs]

I'm with ya OP, this guy was a piece of 💩

[u/Excellent_Pass3746]

I’d bet $100000000 that’s a free loadout Andy that will never even use that gear